Evolution of Obi Wan Vs Anakin Duels 

Connection I don't think I've read anyone else saying- in that second fight, Obi-Wan finds himself drawing on his attachments and love to defeat Vader and in that moment realises the flaws I the Jedi and Sith, that perhaps the middle ground is where the true power of the Force is found: it's then that he acknowledges that he doesn't need to train Luke from childhood, it's better that the boy experience familial love and learns to draw strength from it (a realisation Yoda never quite came to) and this is also the point when Qui-Gon- a jedi generally considered to be edging into the grey- is able to reach him again.

It was very noticeable how in the final duel in the series Obi-wan is very emotional and aggressive. Not very Jedi-like, but this was a very personal fight. For many reasons.

I think Obi-Wan in the 2nd duel starts off with Soresu, but soon when he realizes he is faster than Vader falls into Qui-Gon's variation of Ataru, if you notice, Obi-Wan's attacks become long powerful strokes, and he ever ground base acrobatic. he is building momentum for heavy strikes, and keeping his attacks coming from both sides, so that try and overwhelm Vader. You have to notice that Obi-Wan is very aggressive in this fight, and he makes use of of Soresu only when he gets put on the backfoot, but the rest of the time his as agressive as he was when he fought Maul, just slower. Then we see him use a One of Anakin's Shien moves in one of his attacks. Obviously not as refined as Anakins, but it presses his attack on the back peddling Vader.

From the superb RotS noverlization: Blade-to-blade, they were identical. After thousands of hours in lightsaber sparring, they knew each other better than brothers, more intimately than lovers; they were complementary halves of a single warrior. Matthew Stover is truly a master at writing.

Another thing that allows Jedi to move so fast in combat using a lightsaber is the fact that their weapon has no bladed edge of any kind. It is simply a rod of plasma that any part of it will cut an object or person so they can swing it wildly in any direction. A sword has a specific edge or edges that require it to be used in a very specific way, unless you plan to use it as a paddle against someone, and thus the fight techniques are slower and more precise.

During their third lightsaber encounter on the Rocky planet, what Kenobi did was fascinating, when he was beneath those rocks trying his hardest to force his way out there, he instead resorted to thinking about Leia, and that's when it hits him, he then force push those rocks away with ease. Fascinating because, it is similar to the type of thinking of how dark side users get their fuel from, they channel their anger by replaying painful memories, then they convert that anger and hatred into the force, Jedi simply don't often do this, the closest Jedi equivalent to this is meditation, they meditate to ease off their minds, which would help them use their force. Kenobi let his attachment to Leia fill his mind, (which is not the jedi way) and convert it into a mix of anger and remorse/empathy, which he again convert it into the force.

The very first duel 🤺 between the pair on mustufar in episode 3 is still my favourite to this day. That was both fighters in there physical combat prime right there .

I think the commentary around Obi-Wan fighting for something he loves is one of the biggest reasons why Obi-Wan would be able to take on Sidious; he would be fighting for someone he loved, and save Anakin. Maybe not defeat Sidious but he would very much give Palpatine a very difficult time, by generating the type of ferocity the desire to protect another the Sith cannot imagine.

My takeaway from the second duel is Obi-Wan wanted to confront Anakin, to kill him and let him finally rest. But after Obi-Wan breaks open the mask and Vader is adamant that Anakin is gone, but not by the hands of Obi-Wan but by the hands of Vader, Obi-Wan doesn't see Vader as his mission, his enemy. He knows Vader wouldn't be getting up and decides that Anakin is dead and that's all he needed to know.

Aw yeah I knew Alan would do a fresh one of these with new fight!

Damn, I hadn't notice Obi was actually fighting powered with attachments, so that means it's possible for a jedi to do so, channel good emotions in contrast to hate and wrath 🤔

In their second bottle, I was thinking Kenobi was using a mix of styles… including form II. When he switched to a one handed fighting style… especially when he switched hands behind his back… it reminded me how count Dooku moved.

Awesome video, never would have thought there was that much nuance and depth in the fighting style.

Great breakdown. I like the fact that Anakin/Vader could never really beat Obi-Wan. There's just smtg cool about Obi-Wan always being ahead of him.

A more aggressive Kenobi is pretty dangerous man and if he didn’t have that love of others as you mentioned, man oh man..Vader/Anakin would of been a goner. I loved the Kenobi fight especially alongside the ROTS battle.

I always loved hom the jedi younglings in the clone wars , idealised kenobi and implies he was the greatest living duelist . ( when i grow up , im going to challenge master obi wan kenobi himself) and the kids laugh

Obviously not the case anymore but when I clicked on this video, it said it had zero views and was released 38 seconds ago. Always a giddy moment when you manage to catch a video so fast. Like, with 13 hours of video uploaded every minute, the fact you can manage to catch a single one of those videos from a channel with 700k subscribers that fast after release is amazing. As for the video, from what clips were shown, I might just have to watch Kenobi. "I will not kill Anakin." And he didn't, thus subjecting the galaxy to 20 years of Vader terror.

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I love the idea that Alec Guinness’ Obi-Wan could’ve absolutely wasted Vader in the Death Star lol

You always have the best insight on all things Star Wars! Thanks again, Allen.

loved the parallel you drew between HP and Obi-wan. :)

you manage to make these videos with so much effort and depth and it is very noticeable

Can imagine somewhere lays a flip book someone made of Obi holding his lightsaber an they just used stills of him holding it from all the various shows an movies to make it look like he's aging just standing there

That was beautiful. And remember, The Force Will Be With You, ALWAYS.

I was waiting for someone to make an analysis like this

Outstanding work again, Alan.

1977 fans excite over a Darth Vader vs Obi Wan Duel. 2005 fans excite over a Darth Vader vs Obi Wan Duel. 2022 Same

Ah love hate love relationships are everything. Dude you absolutely nailed OWK self sacrifice to enable Anakin's ability for redemption 👏

Man Obi-Wan vs Vader in ANH is just kinda lame in comparison lol. I know, I know, budgeting and the behind the scenes we know now show the movie making process was a mess it's a miracle it got made. Buuuuut I MEAN if you're just gonna add in things ANYWAYS Lucas (yes people let's remember all the terrible things Lucas did with the Special Editions esp the Nooooo in ROTJ ugh) might as well add in that AMAZING SC 38 Reimagined Vader vs Obi-Wan fight cause with Force powers even the elderly were kinda badass Dooku shows us that.

Great video loved the background music

your content is amazing

I've been saying for years what a badass Obi Wan is/was.

Obi wan also uses his attachments to survive during the events of the book Star Wars: Wild Space

Vader literally did not kill obi wan. I believe that’s been set in stone within canon. He turned into a force ghost before vader was able to land a killing blow which actually fueled his anger even more. He no longer had a purpose that he actually cared about. That is until he learned of Luke. Up until that point he had spent a majority of his life as a sith hunting obi wan.

Great video my friend

I think Obi-wan let’s Vader live because it is the will of the force. When Vader asks if Obi-wan will destroy him in episode 6 of the Obi-wan show, Obi-wan answers “I will do what I must” (a philosophy/saying he learned from Qui-gon).

Obi-Wan defeated Vader in the second duel just like how Batman defeated Bane in their second fight. They both went for their opponent's respirators...

Perhaps Obi had a subconscious force premonition that Vader needed to live to finally defeat the Emperor. Luke would have died or been turned in the conflict without Vader.

Vader was kinda nerfed greatly when he fights obi wan this is mostly because of his mental anger and instability when seeing and fighting him against any other opponent vader is calm and collected but fighting the negotiator Vader always furiously attacks him without much form not to mention of course his damn suit which hampers and slows him down. now vader did techechly defeat obi wan at the beginning fair and squre but he for some reason didn't finish this off mostly because of the plot and the fact that vader may have wanted him to sufficient

Obi-wan's incredible capacity for unconditional love is very endearing. It's also what makes him a far BETTER Jedi than many of his contemporaries (looking at you Mace Windu, Ki Adi Mundi, and Luminara.)

I think Obi Wan incoporated a lot of Form II techniques into his style for their fight in the series.

wow!!! what an analogy!!!

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So my question is was Anakin Skywalker more powerful than Kenobi before he turned to Darth Vader when he was Anakin Skywalker with the dark side

I’m glad you sit and make sense of plot holes instead of just cry about it like some channels

Alan, what about his other fuel that is known as Palpatine? Didn't he hate Palpatine too after he found out that he simply used him for his own endgame? So surely, that must be quite a drive that can keep going now that after Obi-wan died, the person that he may hate the most after that is most likely going to be none other but Darth Sidious himself.

Vader, "All too easy." Obi-Wan, "Hold your children, Darth." Vader, "What?!?"

First! I love your vids man!

At this point I would like a deep dive into why Form IV Ataru looses so often. It failed Qui-Gon and Obi wan versus Maul, it also failed Anakin vs Dooku and failed even in the hands of Yoda it's greatest user like ever aganist the Emperor.

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Obi wan is still my favourite character in the whole SW universe

Obi-Wan is just one hellava good Jedi and a swell person ta boot. I suppose I should find a video that decribes all of the fighting forms, but from the 2 or 3 Allen mentioned, I found myself leaning towards Obi Wans form 3 (the wait for your moment style) because that's already how I do many things. Oh, I think it's wicked everytime he gets in the "ready pose" for that style...It just screams "IT'S GO TIME!!" Great show! \m/

Kenobi has kicked the ass of just about everyone he's battled with, from sith, to mandalorian super warrior, to cybernetic monster with 4 arms and 4 lightsabers to bounty hunter that was basically wolverine, all the way to the chosen one! Seriously how is obi wan not a prophecy in star wars! I mean even an actual force prophet was no match for him!

I definitely like the idea that Obi-Wan’s sacrifice in their final duel ultimately deprived Vader of fuel for his hate… that time period is a major turning point for his character… prior to this he’s just an angry defeated middle-manager totally resigned to his position caught between the Emperor and the Inquisitors. When Obi-Wan later inspired Luke on the Trench Run it renewed Vader’s hope of overthrowing the Emperor. An option that had essentially been lost to him since he choked his pregnant wife and was promptly de-limbed. Does kinda seem like Obi-Wan was either being a total shit-bag or at least using reverse psychology on Luke when he tells him, “if you can’t or won’t kill Vader, the Emperor has already won…” coming from the guy who had literally every opportunity.

Question can you do what do the new republic military look like and what happened to earth vs Star Wars??????

You should do a video ranking Obi-Wan's rivals to find out who is his greatest rival

I would have thought Qui Gon would have appeared when Obi-Won was buried under the rocks.

Here’s every Anakin vs Obi-Wan duel ranked (in my opinion) 1. Duel on Mustafar 2: Duel on the rocky planet 3: Duel on Mapuzo 4: Flashback sparring match 5: Duel on the Death Star Fun fact, search “Star Wars SC 38 Reimagined” for a better version of their final duel

I wouldn't even count the OG a new hope fight. I just go straight to Sc38 remaster

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This soundtrack is.....unique lol

Nice beard, Alan.

Obi Wan literally told Yoda that he won’t kill Anakin. He meant that.

You should do every obi wan vs grievous duel next, please.

I look at Obi Wan's opening stance in the first duel as more of, he's moving into form three position, but sort of half-heartedly, reluctantly doing it. Like, if given another five seconds, he would have been in position. His internal conflict just slowed him a little there.

Obi Wan doesn't kill Anakin because he could never train Luke after killing his father. The guilt would tear him apart on the inside and the hatred from Luke would lead him straight into the hands of the Emperor. He needed to defeat him and know that his friend was truly dead. D2 was great from OWK standpoint and shows how bad ass he was and that Anakin was still able to be defeated by his Master.

Reminder that after the disney plus series, Obi-Wan received training from Qui-Gon, a force ghost; someone who's literally one with the force So he must be even stronger in the force in Episode 4

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The High ground is the tool to victory

when he bashed his saber like that on Vader's chestpiece. that move was copied from maul imo

Obi-wan Prominately defensive, also uses a very offense powerful swinging energy that his master trained(both of their version of ataru); Anakin started training in djem so when he was around 20yr anniversary; often Anakin uses the ataru's offense swings with precise movements while using the Djem so("power swings" usually deflecting or distorting the angles of the attacker's dueling stick, "parries" and "counterattack" to bash the battling pike with ease)Probably his strikes maybe feels like 40 to 80 pound strikes to someone who doesn't have telekinesis when he hit against the body; when dueling his strikes probably hits Anakin's muscles are very strong: as he can hit really hard. Anakin's fighting style Form 4 and 5 Djem so varient(used forms 4, shien for deflection as a student he does use Shien/form 5 to combat others at one point(seen his duel against Count Dooku was impressing); while using form 5 to duel others, his form 3 was used to enhance his form 5; did he dabble in soresu?) Obi-wan's fighting style form 3 for defensive training, he became "The master of Soresu"; form 4 formally(does use heavy strikes, parries, battle rolling, disarm related movements similar to his master)

Everyone who knows star wars also knows that Obi Wan was capable of those force powers which he showed in the fight beetwen him and Vader in the Kenobi show we know that from canon, comics and most importantly from George Lucas himself I feel like hes one of the most underrated star wars characters but he is may favorite jedi becouse he wasn't naturally gifted but he achive really high level in the force through hard training, patience, dedication to light side of the force and dedication to help others

The second fight in the Kenobi show was the best one. Let's debate. 🥱

I suprised you didint mention Pre-Vizsla in Kenobi's rivalries.

I think you also need to talk about the industry standards for fight choreography and cinematography over the three decades as well. "A New Hope" costed only $9 million which was low even in 1977. Fight choreography in general is much better than in the 70s,80s and even the 90s. Also: who choreographed each movie/tv episode? What background did the choreographers have?

Say what you will about the prequels. They have some of the most entertaining fight scenes of the live action movies

It's amazing that it's all tied together now with Clone Wars, Rebels, and Kenobi. I now see Obi-Wan letting Vader kill him so that Vader doesn't become more like Darth Maul, who's sole desire for living was to kill Obi-Wan.

11:10 had me laughing hard for some reason. This is definitely not form 3 technique

11:34 Obiwan knew Anakin still had to bring balance to the force. He felt it with every fibre of his heart. And kudos for tricking Anakin into thinking he was really gone! Real Master move to cloud Sidious' vision! Hot take or nah?

I think you need to separate the two battles in the Obi Wan series. Obi clearly got his ass kicked in the first duel. Doesn't matter that he wasn't ready.

I hope we get a 2nd season of Obi-Wan!

There first duel originally put me off from star wars tbh even for the time the Choreography wasn’t great.

Obi-Wan was using his original form IV he learned from Qui gon in his 3rd fight with Vader, thats why he was so aggressive

Imagine Obi-Wan turning to the darkside because he used his emotions. I know it would be a little far-fetched, but it would explain why he looks so much older than he actually is.

Was it only me but when I seen the master forger in mando smelt the spear and say he could not have it I dies in side that spear was beast

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During the spire fight Obi-Wan does a spin attack I think while in between two spires and somewhat off screen. That was a really odd choice to me really.

Yes. Just.... Yes. :)

Luke: Wait... you had Darth Vader at your mercy... twice... and you DIDN'T finish him? Now I gotta clean up your mess? Obi Wan: Well... that's true... from a certain point of view...

Can you please continue the separatist alliance vs earth series please

Do we actually see Obi Wan kill other sentient beings than Grievous, Maul, and the clones guarding the temple when Yoda and Obi Wan go back there to see what happened? I don't remember all TCW episodes, but the fact that he didn't kill Vader (well, it wasn't exactly a surprise since it's prior to the originals lol) made me try to remember how often we see him kill sentient beings and from whatI remember, it's only when he has no other choice.

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Luke Skywalker learned that allowing jedi to have connections was more powerful

They are everything but mortal ennemies, one can't manage to kill the other :p

What happens to Obi-wan's lightsaber after his death?

Even after death, Kenobi takes his body with him. So Vader wouldn't be able to freeze it in Amber.

Why vader lost in the second duel? He was poweful enough, no?

I never believed Darth Vader killed Obi-Wan he disappeared right b4 Vader could strike him with his lightsaber