Anakin Skywalker VS Darth Vader Who is Stronger? 

I think Anakin would be much more energetic, but ultimately, Vader’s hate would focus him better. Anakin has the flaw of losing control when pushed a little to far, Vader is laser focused. He’s always angry and full of hate and he knows how to use it.

Vader relearned the Force properly aided him to be stronger. Anakin was so gifted he doesn't need to properly hone the Force like any other Jedi, he lacked in technique but is so powerful, it overrode his skills.

The uniqe thing about the Dark Side is that the power has a power source and that is anger, simply put Dark Side users could become more powerful with the force the more angrier they get. Anakin could not control his anger meaning he would lose control, meanwhile Vader has mastered it and could use it to his advantage while also keeping a calculative mindset.

Anakin to the Son, "By becoming a Sith? Never!" That didn't aged well

The philosophy "Experience is the teacher of all things." is why I'd give Vader an advantage. Despite Anakin's higher potential strength here. Vaders hits are cold and calculated. Punishing of probing or cockiness almost as if designed to counter his old self. He toys with targets but here I think his self hatred towards his younger form would empower him.

Vader. Lords of the Sith (Canon) >Without the neural connection to his armor, he was conscious of the stumps of his legs, the ruin of his arms, the perpetual pain in his flesh. **He welcomed it. Pain fed his hate, and hate fed his strength.** Once, as a Jedi, he had meditated to find peace. Now he mediated to sharpen the edges of his anger. > >He stared at his reflection a long time. **His injuries had deformed his body,** left it broken, **but they’d perfected his spirit, strengthening his connection to the Force. Suffering had birthed insight.**

IMO, Vader was stronger in the force, but Anakin had the POTENTIAL to be stronger than Vader. Anakin hadn't yet topped out when he became Vader, and as such Vader grew to a much higher power level over time. Unfortunately, his potential was curtailed by things like missing limbs and the constant pain of his suit. Sure, as a Sith, Vader tapped into that pain and suffering he was going through, but his power would have been much higher had he not been defeated by Kenobi.

One of my favorite ideas in Star Wars is "falling" to a side of the force The most interesting thing anyone in the series ever said about it was Darth Caedus (at the time Jacen Solo, in the "Legacy of the Force" books) he says that you can use the dark side just like the light, as a tool and an ally and that if you have the will, you can avoid falling to either side. It even suggests that Luke has "fallen to the light side". That he's become unbalanced and that he's now shackled by the rigid order and slow moving nature of the light side, not allowing him to take action when it matters. They even talk about some unknown Sith Lord who Jacen had never heard of and when its asked how he stayed so invisible to history, it's said he didn't do anything evil! He just drew on the dark side like someone who wasn't a LUNATIC! (cough Bane, Sidious, Vader cough) If someone is actually not insane before they start drawing on the dark side, maybe they don't do lots of murders and all that! Maybe Anakin would have never "fallen" to the dark side if he had been allowed to draw on it. Fueling his power with emotion, but being taught to not fully give in to it.

In Obi Wan's defense, he was probably aiming for Anakin's head but because Anakin was spinning (a good trick), he missed and the novelization explains why he didn't kill Anakin while he was down. He effectively decided to leave his fate to the Force

Anakin if he reached his full potential.

Its like comparing #8 kobe and #24 kobe. #8 is more energetic full of promise and potential. #24 is more focused on his craft, went thru devastating injuries but still became great regardless

'Dismembered' is the word you were looking for. Great video, as always.

Actually, George said that the whole point of his injuries. Was to cripple his mediclorean count and his abilities. This can be confirmed in Clone Wars with The Ones. He is comparable to them. The dude can transfer a soul and life force. He communicated with the conduit planet, spinning it. And the Father asks him to take his place. In legends its established Annakin thought of the force as a perk in battle. He loved dueling more than using the force. Anakin would be too fast for Vader with the same ability to enhance himself

I like thinking of the light side as a fire (calm but powerful) while the dark side as an explosion (quick, extremely powerful and destructive, impossible to maintain) yet both are addictive, just one gives a stronger "fix"

The Obi-Wan vs Anakin fight scene stills ends chills down my spine when I watch it. Definetly one of the best fights in fiction and the best music

Power comes from four areas: Strength (including physical, abilities, speed, flexibility, etc.), Skill, Experience, & Motivation. Vader is so amazingly complex because he is always at different levels based on when in his story he’s at. During the Clone Wars: he had massive strength (especially in the Force), and motivation to protect his soldiers and his wife. However, he had no need to be skilled, seeing as he was so strong, and he was actively gaining experience, meaning that the Vader during Order 66 had massive power in three areas. After he got his armor, his strength was massively dropped, and his motivation crumbled without his wife and (theoretically) dead children, leaving him essentially crippled. Between that and his next appearance: he had to re-train himself to be far more skilled than ever before, and use his pain and rage to substitute his motivation. He also learned to apply his new mechanical strength and remaining force strength, and of course: getting bonus experience; meaning that when we see him during Fallen Order, Rebels, and Obi-Wan, he’s really freaking powerful with all four. However, after Ahsoka “dies” and he drops Obi-wan, his motivation crumbles. He mostly just hangs around his castle in his bacta tank, just waiting for orders and otherwise not doing anything, essentially crippling him again, as his negative score in motivation offsets his moderate Strength, impressive skill, and absolutely massive experience. But then he finds out Luke is his son. Guess who becomes more dangerous than any other point in his history? But then he starts to question his path, thanks to Luke. And which part of his power do you think starts to waver, leaving him weakened once more?

Can you please continue the separatist alliance vs earth series please

They are both as equally as strong as each other and are both burdened by flaws

Vader would win, for two reasons: First, he knows anakin, but anakin doesn't know him Second, there's nobody in the galaxy Vader hates more than anakin

Another banger as always

I think if both went at each other at full power, it would be pretty close. (I do think that Anakin would win tho) But I think we can all agree that had Anakin not lost his lower half, he would’ve been TERRIFYING.

Seems like there's a Robot Chicken "deleted scene" waiting to be made that explains how Darth Vader draws his strength from the anger of seeing Obi-Wan collecting and juggling limbs: "Darth, can you give me a hand?", "Darth, this may give you a leg up in life under the Emperor", thus triggering the iconic "I HATE YOU?"

I really wish you would've used the novelization (which is canon) to explain what Obi-wan was trying to do. He wasn't actually attempting to cut off Anakin's limbs. In reality, he was expecting Anakin to strike and used a DEFENSIVE strike that was attempting to parry Anakin's blade. Unfortunately, he ended up cutting off both legs and his remaining organic arm as he swung his saber around into a guard.

vader has the advantage of not holding back and all the raw anger and rage power that gives him more strength

As captain Rex said: in my book, experience outranks everything. So I think Darth Vader would win as he sort of “relearned” how to use the force and he also learnt some valuable lessons from his defeat on mustafar.

The word you are searching for, is "dismember". Love this video, BTW. Great contrast between both Anakin, and Vader.

2:30 I believe the word you were looking for is "dismember."

Beautifully crafted video. Confirm what I thought about who was more powerful.

Oscar Goldman : "We can rebuild him. We have the technology. We can make him better than he was. Better, stronger, faster"

Good stuff

“Undersand” is like Vader Kryptonite, like sand that forfeits the high ground by default

Here's how I rank them: 1. Anakin at his theoretical full potential 2. Darth Vader with all of his injuries 3. Anakin as he was during Revenge of the Sith

1:08 I LOL'D so hard on that part 😆😆😆😆😆

Such a great vid! I really want to see what it would have been like if Annie won on Mustafar & kept his limbs

Vader: You Gotta Be Sh*tting Me Anakin: I Don’t Like Sand Vader: Yeah I Know, I Know

Speed, Strength, Potatoe?? and Skill. Is what was said, because that is what I heard. 11:11

Undersand : The opposite of having the high ground.

Anakin with no injuries and if given enough time would beat any force user no question. So if you had Vader aged 30 vs Anakin aged 30 Anakin wins. If you had Vader from a new hope vs Anakin from revenge of the Sith I think Vader would win as Vader would be more used to the suit and be a much wiser fighter.

I have seen a lot of videos about this and I never get tired of them. Good work as always PD: The loss of a arm causing loss of force conection is not just a theory but it is true that it wouldnt be to serious to Anakin/Vadef with enogh practice and ability "A prosthetic arm. Yoda felt his spirits sink, although he'd been expecting the news. A Jedi's connection with the Force flowed through the midi-chlorians in his blood. The loss of a limb had been known to affect a Jedi's powers. True, Anakin Skywalker possessed more midi-chlorians than any Jedi in history, but even so..." Star Wars The Clone Wars book: Wild Space

LMAOOOO that typo in the thumbnail might not be a typo at all. 😉

I think that Vader knows his limitations and specifically retooled his style to compensate for that. He adopted techniques for all of the styles including Form 2 Makashi, Form 3 Soresu, in addition to all the other major forms. I think he is intimately familiar with Anakin Skywalker's Fighting style and tactics. He would be prepared for anything Anakin would try and has already thought of how to employ his strengths while taking advantage of any of Anakin's weaknesses to overcome him. He is without doubt the greatest Jedi Hunter/Killer the Galaxy has ever seen. Anakin would prove challenging but I believe Vader would prevail.

Without watching the video I’m gonna say in force powers Anakin is stronger (because he has more limbs hence a higher m count) but as for pure strength Darth Vader (he’s half man half machine he is literally Cybernetically enhanced

Vader had less, but trained the muscle far greater.

This was a well researched and presented video. Thanks a lot! I think to an extent a battle between Anakin and Vader would come down to motivation. If Anakin had someone he wanted to protect enough he would win. In the end during Return of the Jedi Anakin did finally win the mental battle against Darth Vader inside of him in order to save his son Luke. In Revenge of the Sith Anakin only overpowered Dooku after Obi-Wan who at this point was still his brother and father figure was rendered unconscious. Sure Dooku then taunted him but I always thought protecting Obi-Wan was still a big factor in Anakin's win here as he was unwilling to leave Obi-Wan after the battle carrying him on his back saying "his fate will be the same as ours" so he was clearly on Anakin's mind during the battle. At least that's how I interpreted it LOL

I guess it is about density Obi wan says that he has more than 20k/per cell this is a density measurement, if this was true you could get fatter and get more powerful since you have more mass

Im not sure what i think, we've seen Anakin go all out in fights against Dooku and obi wan (im gonna call that anakin because he wasnt in the suit), but in all of the fights so far, vader has been either toying with someone, like in the kenobi show, or trying to turn them to the dark side, like in ROTJ/ESB, so I don't know what his power cap is

I can picture Anakin and Vader somewhere off playing Spectral Chess somewhere is what I got from the title anyways

I believe had Anakin never suffered the injuries he ultimately still wouldn’t be as powerful as Vader. Vader was forced to learn from past mistakes in his injuries were a constant reminder plus the pain in fact it made him a stronger Sith than he could’ve ever possibly been. He still out classes most sith while retaining less than half of his original body.

And also sidisas or however you spell his name gave him weaker Cybernetics on purpose and made sure that Vader was weak and vulnerable to force lighting so that Vader couldn't attempt to overthrow him

Anakin can’t understand vader as a different person. Anakin and Vader are ONE

The Dark Side is just flat out better for a 1v1 duel. We've seen that countless times - the only Jedi who actually beat Palpatine in a fight was Windu, who had learned to channel the Dark Side via his new lightsaber form. Maul and Dooku both regularly took 2v1 or worse odds, and even Savage ran through Jedi like tissue paper. Vader claps Clone Wars Anakin, though a hypothetical fully realized Chosen One Anakin would be on another level of power.

What scene is that from the beginning? I don’t remember that in the movies?

5:46 the key word here is density. It doesn’t matter how many midiclorians you have throughout the body, it’s the density; ie the count of midiclorians per cell. If it was midiclorians throughout the entire body that determined force sensitivity then that would make an elephant more force sensitive then a mouse because of size. But that’s not the case.

Speed, strength, potato, and skill!

To me there are three versions of Anakin. The light, the dark, and the sith. I felt that there was something along these lines when I played the Episode 3 playstation game and saw the what if scene where he beat Obi-wan and then proceeded to kill Sidious and claimed control of everything.

Did he say Anakin has "potato"?

He still had 20,000 per cell but lost a chunk of his ability or ability to access them. That’s why he couldn’t do force lightening. The force gets stronger in you as you age and if you lose limbs you can’t tap powers that come with it.

could please make a video about vladilena milize from anime 86

The word you’re looking for is ‘dismember’ - (cutting off limbs).

Anakin is like a football player with unlimited stamina yet he lacks the finishing touch to score the goal, Vader on the other hand waits and almost disappears from the field and as soons as you forget about him he scores lol

Before watching the video I’d like to say I feel they’re pretty equal Vader gots a fuckton of experience along with a lot of power but got fucked by palps intentionally crippling him while Annie gots power, not being crippled but not as experienced as Vader but if they fought on Tatooine they’d both lose to the almighty sand dunes

Yeah it depends when you play EA Battlefront 2 playing either Anakin Skywalker or Darth Vader in a 1V1 Lightsaber duel on that game.

Makes me wonder why didn't Obi-Wan tries to reason with Anakin. Then I remember a what if video.

Hey Allen I'm pretty sure Vader lost like 20% his force power but anakin never really used the force too much Vader focused on using it alot so ofc he is gonna have more powers once he's vader

Is there an estimare of how many clones and jedi were at the jedi temple?

What's funny to me is that the Jedi and Sith are essentially 2 sides of the same coin, because they were so stringent about their way being correct that there was no possible way, in their minds, that the other side could possibly be right.

Double nil...no one.... both personalities getting their own way😂😂😂😂

Honestly Vaapad if mastered would have been the perfect outlet for Anakin

Vader is a fine crafted tool. Anikan while stronger is cocky which could lead to a loss against Vader.

Anakin: has the power two control literal gods. Darth Vader: killed by static from an old man. I don’t know who IS stronger? Edit: I guess I’m not as familiar with comics. Vader apparently ripped open the dimensional rift in space time.

The "Ying & Yang" of it, If you will .

I think Vader would have ultimately won if they both faught at peak levels. Anakin was just too hot headed for a light side only user and sure anakin had battle experience. But Vader has literally the exact same experiences plus soooo much more. And if Vader knew it was his younger self (assuming he does) he would know exactly how he used to fight.

Density isn't total. He would still have a lot of midicolorians per square inch. Per say but he would have much less square inches in total.

Tough call. The Skywalker way is to feel a pull towards the Dark and the Light. I think without his crushing defeat, Anakin would’ve been more indecisive about choosing dark or light. But Vader spent years with the dark fueled by his hate after being maimed. Anakin potentially could’ve been more powerful and balanced in the Force but his conflicted nature. Look at the fights Kylo Ren lost to his struggles with dark and light. Commitment matters

I'm shocked. I saw this video title and expected it to be another Vader is amazing without flaws of course he would win, how could he not video and it wouldn't! Made watching much more interesting!

Speed, strength, potato? Potato?

Isn't vader older than anakin? Depending which era of vader we're taking about this might be a significant factor

I am amazed You guys manage to stay with the franchise.I, for the life of me cannot. Nothing in the Star Wars universe is making any sense any more. Every time Disney touches Star Wars, something breaks. This is worse than McAffee Antivirus ever was. -That speaks immensely about how poor Star Wars has become. For instance, if I had kids, I would never have let them watch Kenobi. I saw three episodes and faded out. I don't even play SWTOR or Empire at War anymore. I find it off-putting every time my mouse hovers over the icons.

Darth Vader if he didn't get burned would be levels stronger but he lost a lot of his force power on Mustafar. However he then got trained by the emperor and is a Sith which naturally made him stronger than a Jedi Padawan in my opinion

I'd like to add the rules and laws of predators here. A predator has the luxury of showing vulnerabilities or creating vulnerabilities simply because they are stronger and skilled enough to cover up those vulnerabilities in an instant once an attack or a threat occurs. Prey do not have that luxury. Prey use an extreme amount of energy in order to prevent the creation of any vulnerabilities, simply because of the fact that they know that they must be in the moment of readiness when an attack occurs just to be able to survive. Predators and prey move in different ways. Anakin always impulsive and going with the initiative is a result of him always thinking that he is not good enough, his lighting attacks and hyper speed maneuvers is a result of him feeling like he needs to be more predatorial in order to overpower his opponent. A real predator with real skills and strength does not do this. Predators play with their prey.

He lost the majority of his power on Mustarfar, hence why he never challenged palpatine for leadership

I think Anakins anchor to the light side was Ashoka

It really depends on which anakin we are talking about like anakin as (pre Vader and darth Vader) powers fluctuate because of his emotions . If anakin was full blown light or full blown dark side he would of beat/killed Obi wan easily and really any force user. So it’s really a toss up like anakin is definitely stronger then Vader but darth Vader isn’t a push over and has done some extreme stuff especially in the comics

Vader would defeat the Anakin we saw in clone wars and revenge of the sith. But if Anakin retained his full body and became a sith he’d be infinitely more powerful then that of Vader

"He had speed, strength, POTATO, and skill" 😂🤣😂

What did he say at 11:14? There’s no way he said potato! 😂

The word you were looking for was "dismember"

2:28 the word you're looking for is "amputate"

I'll help you out ,it's not call de-limbing it's called dismemberment

Generation Tech its delegify and armify LOL

I was just thinking about how Mace Windu did a lot of things that Anakin did, but was praised for them. For example Mace Windu frequently used the dark side but no one batted an eye. Anakin used the dark side and killed the Jedi's most powerful enemy at the time in Count Dooku, yet wasn't given the rank of master. Mace Windu was the youngest Jedi to be put on the council and Anakin was supposed to surpass his record because he was the chosen one and just killed Count freaking Dooku. The Jedi then order him to spy on his friend after denying him mastery and don't explain why very well. They treated Anakin like shit and with every else that was going on his life its no wonder he trusted Palpatine more than them.

What was that Potato? what style was that?

Vader defeating Anakin as he was when he was cut down VS now than sure. However if you took an Anakin and Vader at the same age then I would imagine Anakin would win hands down. Pinning Vader against Anakin now as Vader went on to become as strong as he did and leaving Anakin right where he was when he was cut down then Vader obviously wins. But an experienced Jedi Master Skywalker against an experienced Sith Lord Darth Vader would be more of a fair fight however as I just said I believe Anakin would be far more powerful than Vader could ever have hoped to become. Stronger than Darth Sidious The Emperor or Grand Master Yoda and yes even stronger than Grand Master Luke Skywalker.

DISMEMBER is the word you’re looking for

Anakin also went to the temple and killed and help kill hundreds of Jedi. By Mustafar he was more than just a Dark Jedi. He was a heartless killer. He had it coming.

Anakin would be the better duelist but Vader is more skilled and powerful in the force and he has more focus and control.

Another most mysterious question about Star Wars: Why don't Obi-wan just Force pushed Anakin into the river of lava?

To be fair to Obi Wan, at the point he delimbed him and left him burning on the side of a lake of lava Anakin had marched on the Jedi Temple ( which was full of the very young, the very old, and the wounded and little else ) and killed everyone there, personally slaughtering children that were looking to him for help ( something he got to see a recording of straight from the security feeds ). Then when they get to Mustafar Anakin force choked his very pregnant wife and didn't seem to care in the least as he went to go attack Obi Wan. He had no idea Anakin would survive, or that Palpatine would get to him so quickly ( seriously, just how close are Corsucant and Mustafar? Injuries like that don't leave you living very long ) As to the question from the vid? I'd give the fight to Vader. He might have taken a bit of a hit in raw power, but then Obi wan was weaker in terms of raw power and still left Anakin extra crispy. Vader is far more focused and less reckless and has spent years honing his skills specifically to hunt down other force users and kill them, one at a time or in groups. Anakin would be toast ( again )

Anikin is more talent. Vader is more controlled

If Vader were to face his younger self; the pain of his losses combined with his failures come to life: his love, brother, mother, child(ren), health, youth plus a pain free/vitality filled future would enrage him...that echoing hollow cavern of loss would fill in...pouring a churning sea of broiling self loathing lava...Bering disgust at the only person he would blame/could blame [really] for essentially having it all, only to piss EVERYTHING away for empty promises of true power & glory & ego & security...lies [all lies]...lies he was told...lies he WANTED to believe... He would sink deep within the well of the dark side...it's connection would bind and gird him with cold callus disdain, regret & remorse for the hovering faces...his cackling ghosts of Bunta past...then using dark John Wick laser focus, Vader would reach out through the Force to ignite Skywalker from the inside, crushing him down before ripping him asunder with such vengeful rage, space time itself would buckle.