Joola Gen 3 ban UPHELD due to failed USAP recertification… 

Thanks Rafa! That’s the best explanation of the situation that I’ve heard. Keep up the good work.

The lawsuit that will occur will be a class action lawsuit if Joola doesn't react quickly and allow all customers to return these paddles regardless of if they are used or not.

It seems to me that the real problem with the Gen 3 paddles is that they produce a trampoline effect when the ball comes off the paddle. In a comment below, it is said that Zane Navratil says that the ball comes off these paddles "scary fast.: John Kew pickleball has done studies of reaction time of how fast the ball comes off the Gen 3 and other paddles. It is said that the average reaction time of a human is 1/4 of a second or 250 milliseconds. These paddles are producing a speed off of them that are faster than a human can react to. I have heard a number of pro pickleball players complain that the ball is coming off these paddles too fast. The new coefficient of restitution test that USA Pickleball has started using with their testing people shows the inbound and outbound speed of the ball coming off of the paddle. If the ball speed exceeds the reaction time of a human, then it does need to be banned because it changes the nature of the game.

Really feels like JOOLA did things intentionally misleading...had that feeling since their statement came out.

Amazing recap of the situation. Thank you for hitting all the important pieces

Hey Rafa. Thank you for explaining the current situation. Good to keep up with it.❤❤

Did you see the tweet from Zane Navratil talking about how scary fast the ball comes off the paddle? Then I played in a 4.0 league and this one guy was crushing the ball so hard I could barely track it. It feels like if the ball gets much faster we are fundamentally changing the sport of pickleball, and not in a good way.

At this point the USAP is embarrassed at their FU and now they have a lawsuit on their hands.

My theory this whole time was that it was taking too long for them to approve the new paddles so I assumed they failed and USAPA was scratching their heads, getting lawyers and was figuring out how to finally handle the situation. People in my area just brushed it off as USAPA taking their time like they always do. It wouldn't have taken any time if the paddles passed.

I have been practicing with my Gen 3 for 7 weeks now, and I am unable to play with it in a local tournament this weekend. Also many people where I play are giving my grief about using an illegal paddle. And when I hit a great shot, some say its because I am using an illegal paddle. Good luck trying to get in touch with Joola because it does not have a customer service number. I have owned 4 jJoola paddles, but I will not purchase another because of the fact that the company does not have a customer service number.

OK what about gearbox and oni becoming materially different after normal use?

I bought the gen 3 Anna Bright and love it!! What paddle would you recommend that is similar to replace it?

Honestly? Not that concerned. I just got the paddle and love it, and I play recreationally at a 3-3.5 level. No one gives me shit about it. If the facility I play at wants to come out and say "these are banned for rec play", then I will return it and play something else.

Thankfully I hesitated and opted for the Hudef viva pro gen3, which has great spin,power and control.

Great update, thank you!

I have written to Joola for a refund, but I have heard only that they will get back to me on a refund. I bought the paddle at Pickle & Social in Atlanta while there for MLP, so should I be asking them to refund me or Yoola? I've been asked to put the paddle down at our public courts in rec play. What a mess. Now searching for another paddle.

Thanks for the update….i am bothered by the suggestion that players just use their non approved Joola paddles for “rec. play” when the rules clearly state that all play is governed by the rule book and using an approved paddle is in the rules.

I have a gen 3 . that is banned, I like the paddle and will never play in a sanctioned tournament,But I have been offered an chance to turn the paddle in and get a new model that shoukd be available in a couple of months, What would u do

I bought a Joola Persius Gen3. I did not feel the difference from my hyperion i bought a year ago.

I bought one from Dill Dinkers but can't get the NFC chip to register, so I don't know what that means for me. DD is saying they are still waiting for more information from Joola before they can tell me how to return.

few of the joola pros at last week PPA used the new alpha mod . if i had to guess thats will prob be the paddle they replace the gen 3 with

I bought one from Pickleball Central, but I didn’t register it with them, so now I don’t know if I can return it. I will not be playing with it.

Great vid. FYI your lights should be higher so they don't reflect in your glasses.

Incredibly frustrating as I had actually gotten quite good with my 14mm scorpeus. Hoping joola allows a return..$300 is no joke

😂 about as silly a thing to argue over as anything I’ve ever heard.

Really should've banned the Gearbox Power models first and nipped this in the bud, because of course everyone was going to make something more powerful and ridiculous than that

I wrote Joola customer service Monday and they provided me a return shipping label/RMA within a few hours. The RMA is for a full refund. I did purchase the paddle from Joola directly. Very fast response from them given they are probably slammed! I dropped the paddle in the mail yesterday.

But what is it that’s making these paddles fail. Why can’t they Just say it already

Based on Rombus press release today.. That there new paddle that was previously approved, was delisted because USAP used the new exit velocity test on their previously approved alpha paddle.. So it makes sense that they applied the new exit velocity test to the jolla gen 3 and they failed... USAP should be transparent on what test was failed..

omg Alpha too so basically pros will have to go back to gen 2 or leave joola if theres a breach of contract perhaps?

keep up the good work!

I probably will keep it. No scrutiny from Players so far. I don’t do tournaments that often. Is the Ppa also banning the paddles ? Ty for the info.

Something seems off about all of this, it just constantly feels like there’s a missing piece to the story. I have a Gen 3 Perseus and I don’t understand why it’s any worse than a GB PPE etc. I can hit almost as hard with my CRBN1X to be honest. That being said what’s the reason they’re not complying?

I bought a Joola Gen 3, and after the 3rd day of playing with the paddle, it's now making a hollow pop sound and seems to have lost its pace. Is anyone else having a similar problem?

Great video!

I was playing with the Gen 3 and really liked it. But then I heard what was going on so I emailed the store where I bought it. They got back to me and said that I should bring the paddle in and they would refund my money. I basically exchanged it for the Gen 2 model.

Love my Scorpeus Gen 3 14mm! Will keep it and continue to use it during rec play. It’s the best paddle I have in my bag, more control and better dinks and resets. I only got it for $220, great deal for rec play. Don’t need to play any official DUPR tourneys anytime soon. But…testing 4 Gearbox Pro Power and Control, arriving tomorrow.

How do I return it to Joola? I contacted them and I have not received a return label. I would like to get my money back. Thank you!!!!

I bought a Joola Gen 3 paddle, and now I am conflicted about whether or not I should keep the paddle. I am currently using it for rec play but I do plan to play tournaments in the upcoming months. Therefore, I am strongly considering switching to another legal paddle. This is a very frustrating situation that I wish Joola would figure out how to resolve.

What a mess. No more should have been sold since 15 May to limit damage to joola and customers

Wild times!

Supersede, or surpass?

Got ahead of it with mine. Asked for a refund day after I got back from PPA Atlanta was denied. Few days later got a link from Joola emailed to me (bought direct) asking me for review. I blasted them and submitted at 10pm. At 7am next morning got a call from customer support lead. After a little back and forth I was offered a refund last week and also given prepaid shipping label. Sent it back a week ago. Due to make it there today. Expect refund to post soon.

If I purchased a Gen3 paddle on Amazon, should I ask for a refund from Amazon?

Great summation bro, well done 👌

Uh. Can someone just say in simple terms why banned? The paddles are too light? Heavy? What’s all the fuss? Or are they banned because they simply lied about the specs?

This is bonkers.

Ok, I'll get the social stigma, The paddles are awesome, it's the only paddle which has power from baseline and control at the kitchen.

I bought a gen3 waited about 3 weeks to return it, now waiting for Joola to send me back the new paddle. I haven't heard any updates on when that will happen. To summarize, I dropped $301 at the beginning of May for a new Gen3 and as of June 5th I'm out $301 and have no paddle. I'm so pissed and for this experience will never deal with Joola again.

But are they saying these paddles are prone to deteriorating faster?

I have a very p'ball-active friend who purchased the Gen 3 Perseus. It is one of many paddles she owns. I tried it a couple times. Let it be known I like to spin the ball. That paddle, without doubt, is the best spinning paddle I've tried (and if you know one that is as good or better and NOT de-listed, please let me know). She recognizes she can return it, but plans to keep it. I would not buy it from her or new, because I already catch a lot of comments about spinning; I would lose friends with the Gen 3 paddle.

Bought mine a week before delisting and I played very well with it. The spin was amazing, but after a few weeks the spin is the same as my DBD when it was new. I think Joola big issue is quality control from their manufacturers. Some reviewers mention some ppl had gen 3 that would stick to your shirt. Other players mention one side with grit and another smooth. Mine felt similar to my DBD and didn't stick to my shirt. I bet those that stick to shirts are illegal. As for power, it's 2nd to the Gearbox, so if that's the reason why isn't gearbox illegal?

Lawyers are "hand wringing" over this mess.

This is so stupid I ordered the paddle it's coming on Friday smh I probably won't even get to use it.. For those that have used them already are they really that powerful and that much of an advantage against other players?

The alpha paddles being used by pros apparent have much less grit. I’m guessing the grit on the current Gen3 is why they failed and why those particular alphas are still approved.

While I lament USA Pickleball's decision because I LOVE my Perseus Gen 3 paddle, as soon as I read it was banned, I returned it to Dick's. Dick's honored the return, no questions asked, despite the fact that I clearly used the paddle (a lot) since I purchased it in early May. I could have continued to use the Gen 3 for rec play, but I didn't want others thinking I had an unfair advantage on the court.

They were designed to delam within days of use. Big shocker. Didn’t buy it and sucked to play against. Could not tell the speed of half the shots.

There's no way they should be banning the gearbox. People have being buying those paddles for many months, I highly doubt the company would offer returns for everyone. That would be absolutely ridiculous

Where’s there’s money, there is lawyers. Law firms will see this and get a class action lawsuit put together against Joola. Joola needs to act quickly to avoid that

Joola sent USAP 25 paddles hoping one of them would pass! Haha. Joking.

They didn't do very well at bribing.

Joola totally messed this up. Their engineers designed a really hot paddle now known as the Gen 3. Joola has access to the exact same testing protocol performed by USAP. How can Gen 3 paddles pass at Joola and fail at the USAP? It can't. Then Joola further muddies the waters by releasing the Gen 3s before full certification from the USAP. Gen 3s will be taken off the market and a new toned down version will be released by Joola.

I have a gen 3 and sent my order number to joola and they said I have to go through my champion rep and he has been non responsive to date. I want to return it and will consider buying a new one once approved but in the meantime I am no longer using it.

Social stigma, returning mine.

Wanna clarify 3 thoughts after you watch the vid: 1. These paddles are NOT illegal. They are just banned from USAP-sanctioned tournament play. I’ve heard about some local tournaments banning them but for the most part you are welcome to use the paddle in rec/local tournament play. 2. If Joola fixes the QC and resolves these issues with USAP these will be my favorite power paddles on the market there’s a lot to like about em just too much uncertainty to recommend rn 3. At the end of the day USAP is a part of “big pickle” as much as Joola is. This video covers the USAP side of the argument but I HIGHLY suspect we haven’t heard the full story yet… Thank you so much for watching!!!

Bought one and played 3 days. The power was uncontrollable for drives but amazing for kitchen blasts! I got $245 for it after spending almost $300.

I want my money back for it

so you can't make a paddle that is to good? I play with someone that has this paddle...do not notice a difference. I like to tease him when he makes a good shot...give the paddle all the credit. Here in Port st lucie Florida I have not heard one person complain about his use of this paddle and there are 24 filled courts with a lot of people.

What a mess!! So glad I didn’t buy this paddle

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Got mine from pickleball Central, put my name on the paddle after I decided I wanted to keep it, then it got banned and I can't return it now that my name is on the paddle according to their return policy 😭

joola is done. to bad. I liked the Gen 3.

Deal Joola Users, You've waited long enough. It's time to COME TO SELKIRK!

So Joola lies to USAP about the paddles provided for testing, is informed they failed testing and Joola still releases banned paddles to the market. Then they lie to the public, saying their paddles conform to testing they know they've failed more than once. Still want to buy a paddle from a company that committed to deceiving you?

Get your freaking refunds people. Get your money back ASAP!

So glad I did get one. I went with the TKO-C 14.3. Due to the reviews by u and others About this -Aggie

This is a terribly one sided report. Speaking of lawsuits, you never know, you may be on the receiving end of one soon. I hear Joola may be filing a $45 million dollar lawsuit against the USAP. I hope so, this is long overdue!. What independent body is overseeing the USAP testing model, holding them accountable, making them more timely, more responsive to their clients? The USAP is the problem! They have no transparency, and no accountability, they're a black hole. Who is the third party tester, what is their company name, what are their qualifications, what is their track record, years in business, customer list, customer references, what scientific equipment are they using, where are their detailed, published, scientific test results for each paddle tested? The USAP collects too much money, tens of millions of dollars, to be shrouded in such secrecy. Sunlight is the best disenfectant. Pickleball is going soft with all this talk about injury, liability etc. There's a simple solution, wear protective eyewear, compared to paddle prices, this is a simple, cheap solution. Don't dumb down pickleball more then it is. Be progressive, continue to evolve, keep an open mind, remember your viewers.

They had a negative effect on the game.

The first paddle I ever put my DNA on was a Gen 3. About 2 months ago a new indoor PB place opened. I was curious if they taught lessons. I go in and first thing I see is Joola sponsorship signage everywhere. All I could think of was ping pong. Anyway as the staff chatted me up about memberships and lessons they handed me a “prototype” of what turned out to be this Gen 3 as if I was supposed to start drooling. Not knowing squat about pickleball I was unimpressed because I had no comparisons. I took 3 lessons, all with the Gen 3. I could care less about any tournament level of play. Q: if I buy a paddle today/now and ignore the Joola circus, what would be recommended, since I have 3 hrs of Gen 3 experience as a comparison. I couldn’t tell you now the thickness or weight of what I lessoned with.

Not sure why people are upset. There should be restrictions on the equipment so it doesn’t ruin the game. It’s why baseball is still played with wooden bats instead of aluminum, why golf has put restrictions on clubs, and tennis let equipment ruin the game. Equipment is why the game of tennis is one dimensional. Use to be, that you had serve and volley players and baseliners and combinations. Now it’s all one style because they didn’t get control of the equipment until the game was ruined. Glad to see pickleball step up to the plate before all the game has is bangers because of power paddles.

Joola willl fold for pickleball now it is done i redkon ...sad.

People who play with the gen 3's lack skill and need to make up for it with a cheat code

ahh, these people with these paddles just have a superior drive, and it's annoying. Rec games or not they should not be used.

I bought this overpriced paddle a few days ago before hearing about all his decertification drama. The paddle plays well, but it isn't worth all this trouble, and I'm not in the mood for hearing people rip on me about having this banned paddle in tournaments. I'm be returning it, new grip and all.