Excess 12 Catamaran Review 2019 | Our Search For The Perfect Catamaran.

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The Excess 12 is the smallest Catatmaran in the Beneteau ECS range. The cruising catamrans are in direct competition withe the likes of Lagoon, Fountaine Pajot and Leopard. However is this the perfect catamaran for us?
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@adammallerman8153 5 лет назад

Great video. Super informative. Other than Neal, have you had any responses from manufacturers to your reviews?

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

We’ve had really lovely feedback from Seawind, Outremer, Leopard and Lagoon. I guess it’s easy to respond when the reviews are positive. One thing we keep getting picked up on is that we are being unfair on “charter” boats. As we mention in every video, we are looking for a liveaboard. If the boat isn’t suited to being a liveaboard, for our needs, we mention it. We also have the advantage of not being brokers. We have no agenda and no bias. We also try to further eliminate the bias by using averages from your votes to make our “Top 10”

@joeblow1942 5 лет назад

Chuck Price Huh?! You having a hemorrhoid flare up today?

@TraneFrancks 5 лет назад

@@chuckprice9500 Now here's a guy who obviously has a copy of _How to Win Friends and Influence People_ on his desk. Carnegie came to you for advice, yeah? ROTFLMAO

@bob_atwestmi_fl_us7812 5 лет назад

@@chuckprice9500 Ok maybe I am a little slow, but since you didn't watch (your words) just how are you informed enough to make any comment?

@captainwin6333 5 лет назад

@@chuckprice9500 0/10 for grammar. 0/10 for style. 0/10 for attitude. 1/10 for spelling your name correctly which gives you a combined score of 1/40.

@cstern3 5 лет назад

Thanks. You are the only reviewers who actually criticize boats rather than chatting them up like the owner is holding the camera for you. It is so helpful. Your fair assessments both - pro & con - provide insights that help viewers understand how one should look at every boat, not just the one y'all happen to be on.

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

We try to be fair and objective when we are assessing a boat. Bear in mind it is simply our opinion. However, we are not brokers with a potentially hidden agenda, so we are freer to point out things we think could be improved upon.

@Sailing71h2o 5 лет назад

The interior looked like a cheap caravan.

@seethelittlethings 4 года назад

Just took a look at the excess 12 at Valencia boat show. Agreed. Plus; Haven’t found any!! storage in the pantry except two small overhead cupboards.

@cannaroe1213 5 лет назад

Funny that "Excess" is the absolute last thing you'll find on this boat. Maybe it's for people with Excess money?

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

True that my friend

@geoff850 5 лет назад

A pity they don't take a leaf out of Toyota's way and make the equivalent of a Lexus with the Lagoon 42 for private owners.

@donnellygreatlooponsvseren5759 5 лет назад

As always, a great video. We are also looking for our next catamaran (currently in a PDQ36). You all are looking at cats WAY outside our price range, but we are really learning a lot from what you look at on each boat. Looks like we are crossing the Beneteau right off our list of 'boats to see,' so thanks for that! Are in love with the seawinds (the 1260s); maybe if we hit the lottery!

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

We are seeing a 1260 soon

@secondstartotheright 5 лет назад

life boat access???? what life boat access.... oh you mean the one that would be completely blocked by your dinghy and when there is no dinghy there it's just out in the middle of nowhere and you have to lean way over the rear launder to heave it out hoping it doesn't pull you over with it. that life boat access. love the video guys and love your channel, fully support what you guys are doing and thank you sooo very much for sharing your wonderful journey with us. this cat is a 100% no go for me mad my family's needs!!!!

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

Thanks mate

@secondstartotheright 5 лет назад

@@sailingrubyrose good morning to you and good night to me lol

@GaryMCurran 5 лет назад

Well, at least stuff isn't falling off the cabin walls and bulkheads. Your review of the Seawind 1600 gives it an astronomical 42 out of 50. But, we're talking about a 50' yacht versus a 38' yacht. I'm sure that a Seawind 1260 will be at Annapolis, and I would be interested in seeing how that compares to the production cats like Lagoon, Nautitech, Excess and such. It might be a little bit more money, fully spec'd for bluewater cruising, but it would be money well spent. Really wish I could support you on Patreon, but right now, just not possible. Maybe one day.

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

Mate, your comments are more than enough for us.

@GaryMCurran 5 лет назад

@@sailingrubyrose Thank you, Nick.

@denislyons8723 5 лет назад

Lagoon is part of the Beneteau group, hence the economy of using the hull from that range

@WillN2Go1 3 года назад

I know this is old, however.... My plan in the next two years is to buy the best used multihull I can find, and then pray that I can forget your review of that model, and never ever watch it again. You're a great team, scathing about pointlessly dumb things. Wait, that didn't sound right. What I mean is you point out the dumb things the boat company has done for no good reason. I hope they're watching. I would hate to be sailing around my bargain cat with your list of short comings rattling in a loop through my head. It would be impossible to forget because I'm sure you are absolutely right. Maybe some day you can do a video "List of great used cats, but... here's what's wrong about each of them." That would be a great watch. Again, thank you

@troybabs 5 лет назад

In summary: The Excess Cat is a nice boat to visit, but you wouldn't want to live there. 💨⛵️. Thanks guys for the thorough review yet once again!

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

Thanks for the comment Troy!

@robw7820 5 лет назад

Excellent RANT on the "no love" Galley. Put some love in your work. Love it!!!!

@paulwyand6204 5 лет назад

Has to be the worst name for a boat. Perhaps the next model will be a Pretentious 12.

@waynefederico9396 5 лет назад

Honey we can't find a boat we really like, so let just build one... These reviews are best on mark we never knew there were so many aspects right down to making the bed to safety next to a stove top.... Carry-on

@iamdeminimis 5 лет назад

Looking forward to the Antares review!!

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

We're looking forward to seeing it!

@englishrose1122 5 лет назад

Wow! Theresa your hair looks fab. Gorgeous gal xxx

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

Heh, thanks Annette 😊

@ozzmanzz 5 лет назад

Love the honesty, thanks for posting!

@SVImpavidus 5 лет назад

Probably your best review so far guys. Some really good points made. But It's still a cat 🤣Think what else you could get monohull for that money, not lose the vat when you leave the dock, and hold its price for years to come...... Sail safe. Ant, Cid and the pooch crew xx

@TheRealSasquatch 5 лет назад

A catamaran designed more like a caravan than a sailing boat. It's not really set up for cruising distances or in interesting weather. Great for summer holidays not so much for the north sea.

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

No, but I would assume most catamaran owners don't intend to do the north sea (I know we certainly don't!). We don't have a problem with the concept of a catamaran that focuses more on interior volume and less on performance. But if that's what you want, then you have a lot of options, and we're not sure that at this time Excess are doing enough to compete in that market. Hopefully they'll improve at some point!

@agc812 5 лет назад

This feels like the automotive equivalent of General Motors building a new Chevy from a Cadillac platform and then asking more money for it. What’s the point?

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

Good analogy my friend

@travismull944 4 года назад

There is a ladder that is stored underneath the cabin top to get on top the cabin.

@SailingAquila 5 лет назад

Hi guys - love your videos, especially the catamaran reviews. Are you planning on trialing or reviewing any catamarans with electric sail drives? One or two manufacturers have one available in their ranges and FP are at prototype stage. It must the the future of liveaboard sailing boats?

@en8581 5 лет назад

I hope you do a video of the St Francis 50 mkii. Looks like it would be a great fit for you and I am interested in your thoughts.

@ckm-mkc 5 лет назад

I think what they are aiming at is charter companies, not individuals. Beneteau is one of the largest sailing yacht manufacturers and, as such, can discount large orders plus customize on said large orders. I also think that outboard helm stations are done on charters to separate the 'sailors' from everyone else.... In this case, you are def. not the target market and neither is anyone watching this (unless you are a buyer for a charter company....).

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

Agreed 100%...... although they do an owners version too

@bophoto 5 лет назад

Damn - scratching "EXCESS" off the interesting list then.

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

Well, depends what you're interested in, I guess! But it's not for us.

@DoubleUThings 5 лет назад

Man, that galley is two times smaller than in our old 36ft/11mts cat! But hey, how many owners of these boats will ever cook a decent meal? :-) Agree with you about those helm stations. Nice for sunny, light weather sailing, but not for year round cruisers. Happy greetingz, Wim

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

Cheers mate

@renereyes77 5 лет назад

Another great review. You guys are awesome. I've seen other videos on this boat and I've never really like them. I don't like the design and layout. And the helms, in my humble opinion, is stupid. I don't like the "tent" cover, or the foldable seat, or.... all of it really. After this informative review, now I like it even less hahah. My wife and I love your channel.

@KelvinHappyLife 5 лет назад

Thanks for the great in-depth reviews with debate. Any chance of a Seawind 1260? I know you have done the 1600 but the smaller one is quite a bit cheaper than the more ultra performance sister.

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

We are seeing it next week in Annapolis

@geraldforbes4805 5 лет назад

@@sailingrubyrose Also looking forward to seeing the 1260 review

@philmuller8069 5 лет назад

Nick is next for a signal little color. Cooking with Salt and pepper. Great Video as always!! This one does look sleek...

@rickybrown373 5 лет назад

I was just excited that you used inches and not CM! Lol! But ya I didn’t expect quality from that company. I’ve sailed many days on one of their monohulls.

@rastafishermanfiji6796 5 лет назад

Great review Particularly dislike sharp corners on a boat in house or office these are hazards waiting to hurt you!!! Rounded corners maybe like a lot of Art Deco stuff are inherently safe and attractive. Fantastic format embodied in your review Thanks

@pezpengy9308 5 лет назад

oddly enough im actually ok with cheap materials executed well. both my wifey and i are simple people and were actually a bit put off by opulence since that isnt how we were raised were just not used to it. helm position is a non-starter for me. interesting note is that of all the cats you've reviewed this one actually looks like the easiest to refit; a lot of that stuff looks like its off the shelf from a hardware store.

@danthomas3808 5 лет назад

A couplle thoughts. Lagoon and Beneteau are owned by the same company. Kind of like GM ownes Chevorlet and Buick, ect... Lagoon started out as part of Jeanneau. Then went to thier own Brand in 1999- 2000. My thoughts are that with it being a charter target market. They wanted to make the cockpit as large as possiable thus putting the helm outboard. Also charter boats are only sailed or driven a few hours a day so that isnt a big deal being exposed for hours at a time or in a nasty sea at night.

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

I get that totally. However they make an owners version too

@playb4work447 5 лет назад

It “is” a Lagoon 40 thru and thru. Every aspect of the interior is exactly the same, including the grab rail that Terysa pointed out going down in the owners hull. And the Excess 15 is a carbon copy of the Lagoon 50.

@alistairferens8906 4 года назад

Lagoon is part of Beneteau group so no surprising its a knock off to offer a sportier version

@robinherrick5777 5 лет назад

I am so bothered by the name "Excess" because it's not a super luxury cat-it's a starter market catamaran, so the name is just incredibly pretentious. As someone who was new to the catamaran market and ended up buying a 38 foot cat, just the name would have been a dealbreaker for me because I don't want to be labelled as one of those people who thinks their boat is all that, when in fact it's entry level. Well, that and the helms in the back-that's a nonstarter for me. I can't for the life of me figure out who they are marketing to.

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

Never thought of it like that. Thanks

@br5498 5 лет назад

Thank you for showing just how hard it would be to get on top of the cabin... Highlight of the video.. 😉👍🔥

@squiremon 5 лет назад

p.s. I've come to the conclusion you (Nick) will find even more enjoyment entertaining fellow sailors than Terysa in your new 50X cat.....

@gmonnig 5 лет назад

See you two in Annapolis next week! We are looking pretty hard at sub 45ft catamarans. One realization I am coming to is that I am falling back in love with mono hull designs. My wife is sold on cats (thanks Nikki and Jason Wynn), so one thing I want to accomplish at Annapolis is showing her what $500k usd gets in a cat vs a mono. In your reviews thus far, have you felt that catamarans have a much more “caravan” or cheap feel to them? I think a budget of $300-$500k would get you a beautiful monohull but a rather disappointing cat.

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

Agree 100% mate

@robinherrick5777 5 лет назад

As a GWTW's fan and now catamaran owner, my husband tried the same argument on me. I can tell you it's not about "what you get for the price" for me, it's about the lifestyle. I felt like going down into a coffin on every expensive monohull we went on, and the pitching and rolling was a no bueno for me. The movement of the cat and feeling like I'm skating across the ocean instead of sitting in it were why I pushed us to not get half a boat. ;)

@luhtathefinn3036 5 лет назад

ARRRGH!!!...Thar be me favorite sailors on the briny deep....Ole Blackbeard would be a'watchin if'nn he not be in Davy Jone's locker....fine video mate, fine video indeed!

@MrJimbok1 5 лет назад

Lagoon is owned by Beneteau Group. It sounds like Beneteau designed the Excess to not compete with the Lagoon 40, but to appeal to a different mix of small catamaran shoppers. I like the Lagoons better personally.

@tigersharkzh 5 лет назад

Maybe the helms are there to give the cockpit more space. It's a charter boat targeted at a young clientel. They want space for entertaining over other considerations.

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

True. And the cockpit is lovely and spacious.

@robinherrick5777 5 лет назад

That's what my husband thinks, as well-he says if you're hardly ever going to use the helms, de-prioritize them (aka charter boats).

@mikesawyer9209 5 лет назад

Love your review series! Thanks for helping all of us narrowing our search. My favorite line - Teresa "I can stand" Not sure it helps most of us!

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

Ha! True 😊

@RobDeHaven 5 лет назад

"It's like putting a spoiler on a bathtub" LOL!! 🤣🤣

@user9b2 5 лет назад

yep. i laughed out loud with that. lol 😂👏👏

@markdtopping 5 лет назад

I spit up my morning coffee I laughed so hard when he said that.

@pneumarian 5 лет назад

It reminds me of the spoilers I saw on buses in El Salvador! Ahh, sweet memories ^_^

@JheregJAB 5 лет назад

Was excited to see a review of a catamaran that I personally hadn't heard of, and built by Beneteau with a good reputation in the monohull world. Too bad it really doesn't seem to offer anything particularly exciting for a boat you'd want to own. As to the outboard helms, I can see those being exciting. Even if the boat isn't a racer by catamaran standards, off the wind it's still a fast boat if you compare to a monohull. Think about it as a really wide monohull instead of a catamaran and suddenly some of the choices make more sense. Even at slower speeds, getting outboard with the good sight lines and the water right there next to you makes everything _feel_ more exciting, even if it might not be. On a charter boat or a weekender, I bet they'll actually be rather fun to have. Overall I think you're right on - a boat for the charter market and not what you're looking for.

@rickybrown373 5 лет назад

The only good reviews I hear on the beneteau monohulls are from coastal cruisers that have never sailed an ocean or owned a different sailboat. We looked a some new ones at Annapolis a couple years ago. The tankage was horrible. Build quality bad. No handholds. Have you noticed that a lot of the sailing channels who crossed a ocean with one no longer own one. They are made cheap to sale cheap to the 95% of people who never leave the lake or bay.

@kenjensen2429 5 лет назад

Well said, I totally dont understand where they were going with this boat! I wouldn’t even bother looking at it, for me its its an epic fail on the helms alone.

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

Did you leave a review score mate?

@marcsolomon6118 5 лет назад

it wouldn't stand up to the wear and tear of charters and one would think a company of that sized with umpteen designers could do allot better - would never buy one - maybe a charter for a week - but if i could get a Lagoon on charter i would take that.

@alexk1713 5 лет назад

Isn't the life raft position blocked by a dinghy and especially hard to reach if the back of the catamaran is deeper in the water in an emergency situation? (like a flood in the engine compartment)

@jimsbarg 5 лет назад

please do the seawind 1260

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

We definitely will! We're lucky enough to have also scheduled a test sail at Annapolis, so if the weather cooperates we'll also have that to share 😊

@steenkigerrider5340 5 лет назад

Very basic indeed, but does the average charter person/family/group give a damn? A boat like this has a terrible (tear-jerking) life prospect of constant abuse by tenants who don't have a concept of TLC regarding other one's property. They are in, out and goodbye.

@alanabrams8017 5 лет назад

I have a small Beneteau monohull. Can confirm basic, unloved interior

@PaulusPHM 5 лет назад

As all others nicely presented , like your point system . Wonder , did you view the Alubat ?

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

When it comes out we will look at it

@PaulusPHM 5 лет назад

@@sailingrubyrose Cool , like their helm position solution www.alubat.com/ovnicat-48

@robinherrick5777 5 лет назад

@@PaulusPHM that helm position is the same as the Lagoon 380 or the mid 00's Leopard 43's.

@jimarmstrong1458 5 лет назад

Perhaps a similar review of Ruby Rose would provide some context to your critique.

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

That’s a good idea mate

@donzie13 5 лет назад

Darker hair. I like it!! Makes your eyes stand out! Just saying by6 the way. Young man, you are curt and straightforward. Some or many people do not like this. I do Nick. People grumble but they keep looking at your videos! Good job you two!!!!THANK YOU BOTH! For bringing us along on your journey!!!!!!

@squiremon 5 лет назад

I have come to the conclusion you (as a couple) will not be a happy sailor unless you purchase the most expensive 2019 model 50X cat on the market that you can afford. And, hell Nick, you only live once. Might as well go out with a bang. Just think how much you and Terysa will enjoy each other when she is happy with the appropriate cat to live in.

@trumpetmano 5 лет назад

You would think Beneteau would throw their best quality work at their first Cat offering.... Thinking you are correct in assuming that this being a Beneteau, the quality should have been thru the roof. Obviously they don't think of Cats the same way they do about Monohulls....

@marklong8608 5 лет назад

The mind boggles. What must have that meeting been like at Beneteau group HQ where they all sat around and said let's go spend a crap ton of money creating a new brand to what end? "New Coke" anyone? When EXS was first announced I was hopeful that they were going upmarket as I think Lagoon is more in line with Beneteau, so was hoping for a Jeanneau or better cat.

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

Us too. We had high hopes for this.

@LJL98 5 лет назад

I don’t get the point in the xs series of boats. Why build the same thing, with minor changes and a new name. When I first heard about it. I was really excited thinking it was going to be a performance cat. Even if all they did was a foam core and a larger rig. But they didn’t do anything but add a different option to an existing boat. You’re basically paying almost $50k US more for an extra helm station.

@stevelawrie9115 5 лет назад

I might be wrong but I think it's Beneteau's first catamaran product. Maybe they will make improvements?

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

Hopefully they will

@pearlyshells2430 5 лет назад

"Blue"...34 foot if I recall....

@thefireman285 4 года назад

To be honest, I prefer the voice over with panoramic views of the space you are discussing, as opposed to watching you sit and talk to the camera. Unless of course, you are illustrating head room or seating position. I am not implying either of you are unpleasant to look at, just for boat reviews I prefer as much footage of the vessel as possible. Just my opinion.

@sailingrubyrose 4 года назад

It’s a fair point mate. The reason we started doing the talking on the boat was because we found that our thoughts on the day, taken from within the boat were a good counterpoint to our views taken after reviewing the footage at home. Often the “wow factor” or disappointment is easier to convey on the day, rather than in edit. We felt that in this case it was better for the viewers to get a better feel for our reactions. We will however try to get more walkthrough footage in.

@thefireman285 4 года назад

@@sailingrubyrose Thank you for taking it in the spirit it was intended. Love your vid adventures and and looking forward to see your next boat. Cheers from flyover America!

@CDNRower99 5 лет назад

Looking fwd to the Antares.

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

Coming soon my friend

@Mark-us777 5 лет назад

like the few diesel duck videos I find though they don't seem at all like what you two are looking for - what is the difference between a sail assisted trawler vs sail trawler vs a sailboat/cat? Also, advantages and disadvantages of steel hull w/ aluminum sub structure vs fiberglass or even carbon fiber?

@FeelItRising 5 лет назад

Amazing how a new company, new cat design can get the helm position so wrong.

@brettney72 5 лет назад

Another fab review guys

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

Cheers mate.

@martinortiz575 5 лет назад

You cannot measure with the same level charter boats than Owner ones. And sometimes i believe that your opinion its a little biased and capricious. Although this boat seems to be on the cheap side and is not value for the money, your assessment and consideration not only in this boat but in others too, are not enough fair. Anyway i like this series of Catamarans sort of comparison. It will be interesting too, if you do a series of 45 ft monohull comparison of production brands.

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

I realise that it can be seen as bias. It is all part of the human condition. For this reason the final scores and ratings are taken as the averages of your voting scores. It is the best way we could think to remove bias. Did you vote? 😀

@martinortiz575 5 лет назад

@@sailingrubyrose thanks for not get in anger with my comment. Of all the Cats you've reviewed, i would choose the nautitech 46 or the lagoon 42. (Its not in the list but the new lagoon 46 is the ideal size).

@bill4nier 5 лет назад

Well, you confirmed my thoughts. With all the hype this boat got, it is just my opinion, this boat is a flopp! Beneteau is going to really up their game if they are going to compete in this market. Thanks for sharing.

@bobhamilton298 5 лет назад

Don't understand why nav tables face to the side. When I'm actually navigating or looking at instruments, I find it important to be situated (seated) towards the front of the boat for direction orientation. Its a simplicity thing. When tired, my mind doesn't want to mentally adjust for a 90 degree sitting position. How can sitting sideways be a natural position when moving forward? Like trying to drive a car while sitting on the center console pointed to the side window! :-) And if you want to do a horizon check, you have to stand and turn completely around instead of just standing and looking port and starboard. Seems silly to me.

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

It’s a fair pint and we don’t get it either. After a few weeks of that you’ll need a chiropractor

@keithward5999 5 лет назад

As usual, a brilliant review! Helm position - On the Outremer et al it makes sense. But, on this ?!?!?!?!? The 'spoiler on a bathtub' comment says it all. I would love to hear the senior management rationale for this clusterf%&k! Poor design choices, poor build quality, cheap components ... AND competing in a crowded market with no defining USP. It's almost like they gave all the marketing and management trainees/interns ( and non sailors ) free reign to ruin their business. In comparison to FP and Lagoon I can't see the viewers review marks being very favorable. Even the Neal Trimaran stands a chance of being rated higher !!

@CanyonDuncan 5 лет назад

That boat is at the bottom of the food chain...

@tbonemc2118 5 лет назад

I wasn't aware that Lagoon and Beneteau were under the same flag. It takes some time to get your head around that thought. Under either brand name they will sell a lot of these boats just on affordability alone. Most boat owners drool over the luxury brands but buy boats like these because that's what they can afford. Compared to some other boats on your list you could buy three of these.

@billsmith5042 5 лет назад

Terysa, Love that hair! 😍

@allisonb.8356 5 лет назад

Good job on the review, but we don’t care for the boat especially after visiting the Antares today at the Annapolis Boat Show.

@ceo911 5 лет назад

Highly informative & in-depth review ...looking forward to the Balance Catamaran... thanks.

@CablebobTube 5 лет назад

The XCS12 is trash.. rubbish.. whatever you want to say... It's a terrible boat! We walked through it in Annapolis and were so put off.. it's ONLY good for charter.. It almost feels like you couldn't even modify it to become a live aboard cruiser..

@disk0553 5 лет назад

Having just spent time in Japan, I have a new appreciation for Terysa's obsession with ventilation. - Which might be one thing this boat has going for it.

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

Disk0 I’m telling you, it’s important! 😆

@tonyhalsall3170 10 месяцев назад

Excess catamarans are just not charter boats. Where did you get that idea from? Built to a budget and boats that sail really well. The power from the mainsail is phenomenal compared to the Lagoon 40 and 42. It absolutely is a performance cruiser compared to Lagoons.

@CraigOverend 5 лет назад

Slurms MacKenzie would be partying hard on that Slugoon.

@oliver5080 5 лет назад

It was the accounts dept designed it.

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

Very good point

@yeelinli1 5 лет назад

Great video, and yes agree with John looks like a cheapy caravan interior and for all that money , not good, couldnt understand anyone buying this apart from a charter company getting a special deal

@bernardowiederhold1533 5 лет назад

Hi like your videos very much how about a Lagoon 50 for one of the next films? Thanks

@TheEdge92 Месяц назад

As I want at least 4 cabin this layout is VERY refreshing and nice because as an owner I can have my masters hull with full bathroom but have also three other cabins in the other hull. Though I would have deleted one bathroom.

@acena 5 лет назад

Would an outboard helm be better for a solo sailor since everything is on one level and would not have to go up and down?

@gpdjones 5 лет назад

I'm sure that others have commented but are you going to look at a Amel 54?

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

Oh we would love to

@RomainSandt 5 лет назад

Bénéteau owns Lagoon... strange idea this brand... even the same hulls.

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

It is strange isn’t it?

@RomainSandt 5 лет назад

@@sailingrubyrose makes no sense to me... even after going to Bénéteau group and excess's websites. Your video seems to have earned them followers on instagram... but their account seems focused on lifestyle more than anything. I'm a bit lost. They could have made performance oriented catamarans but no. I think you're hard on boats wich can be understood, you search also for your house. By the way the stairs can be closed when you cook ;-). But it's too expensive, and sure the problem at boat shows... often the boats belong to someone and they chose the interior (maybe the case here) but this interior didn't make me want to sail, while even basics Lagoon make me want to leave my life to be on a boat.

@2Moza 5 лет назад

Each time there is no line of sight from inside the Boat For the Main sail why in gods name do they not Just Put a Night /Day Camera on the DECK and be one step ahead of anyone Else ?????. No need for a Hatch just a Screen to view from in bad weather from inside the safety of the Boat.

@travismull944 4 года назад

The Seawind 1160 is a 38 footer and much better quality materials with a superior layout. And it’s only 300k

@paulgilliland2992 5 лет назад

Jesus man just buy a house . Impossible to please.

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

You hit the nail on he head my friend. Too many people are talked into buying very very expensive boats based solely on the looks and the glowing reviews? Why aren’t people making reviews that show the potential flaws in the boats they are buying? If you have ever purchased a boat (or a house or car for that matter), did you just look at the shiny stuff, or did you look at the negatives? Cost? Fuel economy? Location? Of course you did. No one on the internet is looking at the down sides of these boats. We are simply showing our thought processes in making such a sizeable investment. An investment that is going to cost a bucket load of money and have to keep us safe at sea. Am I impossible to please? Nope. I just have a set of standards based on a few years at sea.

@Paul-im5xo 5 лет назад

let the catamaran review season begin.

@BertMerlin57 5 лет назад

Why can a helm posision be out in the open and on both side on a monohull boat, but are very bad on a catamaran?

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

Think how exposed the helm would be on a cat. On a monohull you are still on a centrally placed cockpit, normally enclosed with high combings.

@BertMerlin57 5 лет назад

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose .. I not totaly agree, see Southerly 49 or Swan 48. Therefore I wondered. 😇

@johnwilson9562 5 лет назад

Damning with faint praise. Well done. A very underwhelming effort from Beneteau.

@peterwolf4483 3 года назад

I don't get why they are saying the performance is the same as the Lagoon 40. The Excess 12 should preform better, it has more sail area and is lighter. The boom is lower for one thing.

@outdoorzfam 5 лет назад

Lagoon all the way

@robinspat 5 лет назад

Outremer pretty stunning you’ll find ❤️

@rickjones8735 5 лет назад

Still like the X50 the best. Just need to hit the lottery. Look forward to the day you review one.

@bradmottishaw467 5 лет назад

I agree about the fitment and finish of the boat. What is the dent under the port light at the 12:19 mark? just looks flimsy when you are seeing these types of things and chips on a factory new craft. Nice review once again!

@scuzzbecuzz 5 лет назад

Don’t like. Too cheap and gives me case of claustrophobia

@venomguysydney 5 лет назад

1.5 minutes on "its ugle" love it

@gregorysimonoff6147 5 лет назад

I think the sole reason for the outboard helms was for the gain in outdoor cockpit area.

@deanej1 4 года назад

Every boat you have reviewed is a production boat, as far as I can tell. Some are more expensive and some are more customisable. They are all assembled on a factory line. I believe that a non-production boat, strictly, is one that has been designed and built only once. In either case, it is not really clear to me what you mean when you refer to ‘production’ boats. Sometimes it seems as though you may mean boats that are designed for charter and other times it seems as though you may just mean the lower end production boats. I also prefer the Lagoon 40 over this, but I think you may have been a little harsh in your scoring - my guess is that this will be reflected in the outcome from your app - we’ll see. For example, the build quality looked like a mixed bag, some good and some not so good points. Although I think this boat is not as good value for money as the Lagoon 40, they both should score fairly high in this category compared with the high end production boats. You pay for what you get, it is true, but it is definitely not a linear scale. Almost by definition, a good low end boat, will, hands down, be better value for money than anything else on the new boat market.

@sailingrubyrose 4 года назад

Hey mate, we consider production boats to be made on a production line by big manufacturers. They have little room for customisation and normally take 1,000-2,000 hours to build. The production run is normally geared for the charter market and will often run into the 100's Non production boats are generally built in smaller numbers. They are geared towards owners and take a lot longer to build. People generally accept that Lagoon, Fountaine Pajot, Leopard and Now Beneteau are production boats. Other brands like Outremer, Seawind, Xsquisite are non- production. Hope this helps.

@deanej1 4 года назад

Yes, thank you. I think the term, like many others in sailing, may be another one of those moveable feasts. Great content on your channel by the way - and keep up the eloquent expositions (as I prefer to think of them). Great on screen dynamics between the two of you. :)

@Gusinabus 3 года назад

Helm position is intended to be more attractive to momohull owners.

@downwind_david 5 лет назад

This is what happens when a monohull builder starts trying to build catamarans. I know Bavaria build Nautitech, but they bought out a company that already had expertise in that area. It seems to me that Beneteau made a corporate decision that they had to get into this market. They then realised that they didn't have the expertise and to design from scratch would take years and money. So instead, they bought the hull in. Lagoon being sensible charged them a premium for that which then left Beneteau not much money to fit out the boat, and this now shows in the interior. Great review again Nick and Terysa... looking forward to your Antares review.

@sailingrubyrose 5 лет назад

Thanks mate.