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EXPANSION:  Big Ten Turned its Back on Florida State?  Do Indiana and Purdue Have Fighting Chance?

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Is the Big Ten ignoring Florida State and an expansion opportunity to add the Seminoles to the conference? Does the same go for Clemson regarding any college football realignment talk? Why do we ask? There has been recent chatter that those schools, who are trying to legally leave the ACC and their media deal may be huddling with the Big 12.
WHAT IS FSU DOING?
At Locked on Big 10 we have long thought Florida State and the Big Ten are a match made in heaven. So what gives? Keep in mind, while Florida State and Clemson's lawsuits and counter lawsuits are on going versus the ACC, any school wishing to leave the ACC in time for the 2025 college football season must make such an announcement by August 15. That is one month from today. So naturally conversations between schools and conferences must be going on behind the scenes.
HAVE THEY LOST THEIR MINDS?
But there is still one big question. Why would FSU and Clemson fight tooth and nail and spend so much money to get out of the ACC just to go to the Big 12 which barely pays its member schools a few million bucks more than the horrible ACC Media Grant of Rights Deal? Why go from one bad deal to another when all of the money is in the Big Ten and SEC? We will try to figure this out together with some ideas on Locked on Big Ten.
DO INDIANA AND PURDUE HAVE A SHOT?
And while the Big Ten is busy expanding and realigning with bigger and better football programs, do smaller schools like Indiana and Purdue have a fighting chance? We will look ahead to their respective 2024 college football seasons.
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@ramspencer5492 Месяц назад

I don't think the Big ten can come out and say that they're taking Florida State right now.... But I literally don't see them not getting invited when this thing is official

@afeeney11 12 дней назад

Don’t see them adding them without AAU membership. If they want into Florida they’ll go with Miami when the conference implodes. Honesty I think UNC, ND and VA are the bigger prize here.

@kenmcbride1171 Месяц назад

FSU is close to getting AAU membership and getting in the SEC's backyard would benefit the B1G in opening up more recruiting for the B1G in Florida's market. Hope we get into the B1G and create great rivalries.

@LockedOnBIG10 Месяц назад

Me too!

@stackpack1498 Месяц назад

The Big 10 and the SEC don’t need to add any more schools to further diminish the individual slices that the current members schools are entitled to. Notre Dame is the only school remaining in the country that would add to the value of either conference and I don’t know if they’re giving up their independence anytime soon. Hypothetically, if FSU and/or Clemson joined the Big 10, they’d probably earn a lesser share like Oregon and Washington until the next media rights renegotiation which won’t take place for another 5 years or so.

@tarheel7406 Месяц назад

a) Again, think in terms of holistic/relative value in the future P2 world. b) Again, the B1G is pressing demo concerns, athletic and otherwise

@doriane2032 Месяц назад

UNC and Virginia would add value to either conference.

@EdD-it1zs Месяц назад

2023-24 Media Exposure Value (ACC Football RS) 1. FSU: $381.6M, 2. Louisville: $165.7M, 3. Clemson: $154.8M, 4. Miami: $136.2M, 5. Duke: $109.3M (TV/Social via Nielsen)”

@richardalbrecht5702 Месяц назад

Thank you for putting my fears at ease as an FSU fan and alum. I would hate for FSU to put us through all this drama and litigation just to accept a Big 12 invite. I believe that would GREATLY upset a great number of FSU fans and alums. WE have dealt with the mistake we made in 1991 going to the ACC over the SEC. I know at the time it looked like the right decision and FSU enjoyed a decade of dominance, but long term, it was not a great move. I hope that better financial minds are running the show. And with anti-ESPN and anti-SEC sentimentality on the rise at FSU over the snub AND general arrogance of the SEC, I would be surprised if FSU went to the SEC, even though they are the best cultural fit. And yes, AAU is a thing, and FSU should get in the next round, but not all B1G schools are part of it with Nebraska being kicked out in 2011. And no disrespected intended for the University of South Florida, but them getting the nod for AAU membership over FSU, a flagship university in Florida has kind of diminished my perception of the AAU as being some hoity-toity academic group. Besides, why would the B1G NOT want schools in Florida? What better place for recruiting? For God's sake...almost all bowl games are played in the state and at the end of December, the I-4 Corridor from Orlando to Tampa is filled with B1G fans for bowl games. So, why not?

@CaydensDaddio Месяц назад

@@richardalbrecht5702 hindsight is 20/20

@FSUMagnetic2024 Месяц назад

Well said my friend. Awesome.

@powell4661 Месяц назад

The Big10 wants Miami

@a.barker7792 11 дней назад

Unfortunately, the demographic presence matters to the B1G Ten. Miami is an international Footprint. The second part of the puzzle is Effing Notre Dame. Landing those 2 would be as big as landing Texas or even A&M

@CaydensDaddio Месяц назад

FSU should explore all options. Must have contingency plans

@EuroNole Месяц назад

There is less than zero chance of FSU going to the Big 12.

@andruemcgriddles4580 Месяц назад

Purdue is going to be a lot better this year and teams are sleeping on them. No one mentions last year Purdue battled all kinds of injuries, new staff, and a brutal schedule. This year they bring in a solid recruiting class paired with a top transfer class in the B10. On top of that you get a second year bump for the coaching staff. Purdue is three deep at O line with an average size of 6-4 315 pounds. They bring in 4 transfers from Georgia bulldogs who were all high four stars coming out of HS. The WR that transfered in are all long and speedy. On Defense they lose Nick Scorton which will hurt but again get a DE transfer from D3 school that won Defensive player of the year and another GA DE. They brought in multiple CB from the transfer portal most of which a 6’1’’ or taller and quick. Which they were missing last year and in Walter’s defense he depends on the CB. Purdue will go 7-5 or 8-4 with a surprise upset of either ND or Oregon which both are at home. I’m leaning more towards ND with two weeks to prepare.

@dcolosi Месяц назад

No offense, but the only guaranteed win on PU’s schedule is Indiana State. Maybe Oregon State on the road and NW at home. Everything else is going to be difficult. Even fans on the PU boards are saying take the under on wins which puts them at 3 or less.

@brentmichael4770 Месяц назад

I hope you get an exciting season. It looks like they are going to be competitive. Great year to bring it, expansion! Good luck.

@CaydensDaddio Месяц назад

FSU's best option may be to wait for ESPN to make their decisions on picking up ACC's option. May be best financially to wait for GOR to expire in 27 if ESPN does not renew. Would also be closer to B1G's next media deal?

@tarheel7406 Месяц назад

I doubt CAL+2 would have been added without ESPN approval and assurances.

@christopherlow8619 Месяц назад

Also fsu is close to getting aau membership they get that done and they in the big ten

@CaydensDaddio Месяц назад

@@christopherlow8619 work to br done, we will see

@kyllerkill 20 дней назад

Nothing is going on behind the scenes right now because it breaks countless rules for conferences to talk to each other about realignment before a team leave a conference. It’s tampering. They will never let any conversations be known until after the fact.

@OSU_Buckeyes Месяц назад

You know, a year ago, the B1G Conference said they were not interested in bringing in Oregon & Washington, at least not at that time. And how many people on YTube said Oregon doesn't bring any value to the B1G! What happened?! Now I'm hearing that same message coming from the B1G about FSU & Clemson. The B1G isn't interested.......and again, people on YTube say FSU doesn't bring any value to the B1G Conference. Gee I wonder whats going to happen next! 😁

@ericroberts7485 Месяц назад

I don’t fully understand the angles for different teams. As a football fan I’d like to see FSU, Miami, Clemson and Notre Dame. That makes the Big Ten close to equal or greater than SEC? Right? Just asking q’s. Oh and I like your program here in Oregon.

@johne4798 Месяц назад

I enjoy your show! As a JMU alumni, I hope Indiana goes winless. I know Cignetti helped put us on the map in our first two seasons, and I know the reality of college football but I'm bitter about how he left before our bowl game and took so much of the JMU staff and players. He's getting a ridiculous pay increase and he's now in one of the power conferences so I guess who can blame him...but again BITTER!!! :)

@killbaal4149 Месяц назад

I went through the same thing with Deboer but couldn’t stay mad. All the bs he recently took made me a fan of him again. I guess I’m rooting for Alabama and the U of Washington. What’s weird is my dad was a huge Bear Bryant fan and I recently found pictures he took of Bear Bryant at Husky stadium when that eventual national championship winner played there in I think 1979. I just remember hearing Major Ogilve’s name being called numerous times.

@johne4798 Месяц назад

@@killbaal4149 now that was a legendary coach! Very cool that you have those pics.

@della4007 Месяц назад

B12 has no money. They have ACC money.

@LockedOnBIG10 Месяц назад

Agree

@ronwilde1595 Месяц назад

Why would you think the Big 10 would add Clemson and FSU? Neither one is AAU and at least half the presidents are adamantly against adding schools that aren't AAU @@LockedOnBIG10

@RoscoPColtrane17 Месяц назад

@@ronwilde1595They can easily become one.

@LEE_65 Месяц назад

It would be worth going to the BIG12 for FSU and Clemson just to get out of that ACC GOR then in 2030 move to sec or Big ten

@uttermanbo Месяц назад

Florida State would help the B1G, not so much the SEC. It's about getting a brand, but more importantly it's about landing a flag in Florida.

@LockedOnBIG10 Месяц назад

Agree

@kmarks97236 Месяц назад

Would rather have ND than ACC rejects

@loveizdaonlyway9406 Месяц назад

Lol @ calling FSU a reject. That's wild...but par for the course on the internet.

@willieworkman9616 Месяц назад

ND ain't won nothing since Lou holtz lol

@GregsDisneysadventures Месяц назад

I believe they will join the B1G they meaning Florida State

@zplapplap Месяц назад

With respect to AAU, membership would be a more precise and definitionally accurate word choice than “accreditation”.

@scrappinwolf220 Месяц назад

Great commentary on FSU. There are some false narratives showing up on the tabloid-like sports podcasts

@dfausti66 Месяц назад

Conferences have already sold their souls to media rights companies. So, no changes there! But, what if other investors were involved so that you did not have to fully rely on the media rights companies for annual revenues. This is a question that Brett Yormark has responded to if anyone was listening to his comments at Big 12 media days. So many clues were given if anyone was paying attention.

@TheDrRJP Месяц назад

FSU & Clemson are going to the Big 12.

@tarheel7406 Месяц назад

A cautionary tale....

@RedMage409 Месяц назад

No, they aren’t.

@scrappinwolf220 Месяц назад

😂😂 nope

@powell4661 Месяц назад

Maybe not Clemson, but it's FSU's best option

@ShiloStigen Месяц назад

Interesting point about the Big 10 possibly preferring Miami over FSU. Guess who they would pair Miami expansion with? Notre Dame!

@LockedOnBIG10 Месяц назад

Thought the same.

@ronwilde1595 Месяц назад

@@ShiloStigen They do prefer Miami because they're AAU and offer the South Florida market which is bigger than the northern part of Florida. That's the Big 10 's footprint in Florida.

@league704 Месяц назад

Miami is a better choice. More of a fit culturally

@jamesb0255 Месяц назад

@@ronwilde1595And yet Florida State continues and has for many years now bring in much more television revenue than Miami. Find me has a rented stadium that routinely has empty seats disguising themselves as fans.

@jamesb0255 Месяц назад

@@league704I don't know man. I don't think there's a lot of cocaine flowing in Columbus. 🤣

@tedharris8244 Месяц назад

FSU will be in the SEC when it's all said an done along with Clemson.

@tarheel7406 Месяц назад

For how long and by how many professionals must it be reported that CLEMSON and FSU are low expansion priorities for the SEC?

@Florida_Gators Месяц назад

FSU & Clemson will join the B1G Conference.

@tedharris8244 Месяц назад

@@Florida_Gators That's cute

@tedharris8244 Месяц назад

@@tarheel7406 Misinformation...just wait and see. If I'm wrong then so be it but I'm not.

@Florida_Gators Месяц назад

@tedharris8244 Glad you liked it!

@patrickbarnes2796 Месяц назад

It doesn't make sense for them to go up North to the Big 10, If the Big 12 have the money, it's a better fit.

@mikestrong3910 Месяц назад

Make less sense to leave ACC to Big 12 . That’s a horizontal move

@ChrisHuntisOn Месяц назад

Big 12 doesn't have the money Big Ten has. That's how it makes sense. Teams are going be playing players soon.

@scottdevaney3928 Месяц назад

I'm sorry between the 2 portrait days in a year, an paying players insane money an conference footprint....none of it makes sense there's no motivation for players to try to be or Excel to their best if they're getting overly paid how are the fans supposed to do all this traveling too...I mean.it....how... I use to think espn great for ncaa,an they were,right up to Disney buying espn... Since then they've been in the back working behind other schools to try to manipulate what schools go to what conference is trying to cause chaos pushing agendas that are causing Traditions to be lost in the in the wake of it all all for a few extra dollars.... They are STUDENT athletes..... I will miss the 70s 80s 90s an hope to getting back to a common sense way of dealing with the students, conference footprint,an tv contracts for all the schools not by conference.... Cfa was better with big 8,big 10,sec ,swc. Pac 10, acc , big easy, mountain west .. First real cracks in the old way was caused by swc schools going crazy with buying players...then big 8 took in some swc teams an then.texsas an espn started doing some lowball $#,it.. longhorn network refusing to share money with tje conference (3 conference texsas has rolled in an acted in bad faith...horns down is a penalty, not 1 game in texsas is asking for changes for an only them...if horns down is flag able, horns up buy ut players should be a flag no? ,) What made cfa sooo great was the footprint of the conferences an traditions an rivalries... Ahhh get off my grass

@dfausti66 Месяц назад

If something does not make sense, then we need to look at the facts of what we know and create a narrative that allows the facts to make sense if we are being logical. Right now, ESPN owns the CFP rights in football. Big 12 Commissioner Brett Yormark has stated his intention to take the Big 12 to the P1 at Big 12 media days. So, now we have to ask ourselves the question of what would make the Big 12 the P1 of the P3. Would it mean that Florida State and Clemson goes to the Big 12 and possibly other candidates like Notre Dame (who has repeatedly been shafted by the Big 10 for the last 70 years) going to the Big 12. What would such a scenario look like. There are clues left by Yormark all over the media days in Vegas if anyone cares to extrapolate the narrative of the Big 12 and the events that are taking place. Would ESPN have an advantage over other media rights companies by participating in the expansion funding of the Big 12 by using its rights to the CFP as leverage to tell the other conferences to back off or else problems will happen for the SEC and Big 10 in the championship bowl games? What if the Big 12 picked up Notre Dame also just to spite the Big 10 for not taking them in the past? There are of course a great many unanswered questions here and I certainly don't pretend that I know what is going on in the negotiation room. But, if the Big 12 narrative is accurate that we can connect with from what has been said by those who are in the room with a seat at the negotiating table, than the probability of accuracy is enhanced.

@canesforlife Месяц назад

FSU... Less championships than Miami. Less head to head wins. Smaller media market. Not really anything that FSU does better than Miami except maybe more fans to watch Miami beat FSU more than FSU beats Miami. FSU will always be little brother, regardless where they end up.

@toaagni6525 Месяц назад

Ask anyone outside of Miami and they’ll say FSU is better. Doesn’t help that Miami has been terrible for a long time.

@canesforlife Месяц назад

@@toaagni6525 I have, Miami has a broader brand because it has had more of an impact on college football and the culture as a whole. Today's college football was made by the Miami Hurricanes.

@toaagni6525 Месяц назад

@@canesforlife And how did you come to that conclusion?

@canesforlife Месяц назад

@@toaagni6525 by living life, and talking to people all over the country. Take a second and watch The U parts 1 and 2 as well. I think it will be educational for you

@billcocuzza7270 Месяц назад

The last time Miami was relevant they lost to Ohio State for the National Championship.

@A1Googler Месяц назад

FSU does NOT have a Big Ten invite. We are not going to add teams at the risk of cohesion and regular meetings between members.

@gnorley Месяц назад

I think FSU would make more many going independent than going to the BIG12. Can't wait to go to... (checks list).. Waco fuckin Texas to watch a football game. I would rather go to Wake Forest or Duke to watch a game.

@tarheel7406 Месяц назад

How would the other sports be handled?

@gnorley Месяц назад

@@tarheel7406 it’s a logistics problem unless they did something like BIG12 East and invited 4-5 other teams from the ACC and limited cross division matchups

@tarheel7406 Месяц назад

@@gnorley The new BIG12 is the worst (by far) P4. The ACC may deplete down to its level in football, value and even basketball, but not in academics and prestige. Outside of a sure to fail desperation move, why would any ACC school follow FSU to the BIG12? The ACC won't allow FSU to leave any sports behind, and the SEC and B1G won't take. Maybe the B1G12 takes with a binding scheduling agreement, but it would have the leverage to demand the full Monty.

@wvgolfnut1 Месяц назад

Why would the teams inthe big 10 or SEC take a pay cut to add FSU or Clemson? Tier 2 at best

@SolarNole. Месяц назад

Definitely not a Rutgers or Maryland 😅 Pay cuts for expansion only happen in the ACC for the current teams and the teams joining

@willieworkman9616 Месяц назад

What fsu is tier 1 coming into the big 10 what are you talking about... besides Michigan and Ohio state none of them other teams could smell fsu jock .

@peterbrook329 Месяц назад

The B1G is NOT for FSU, we have nothing in common, there are no teams we would have any interest in except maybe Michigan and Ohio State. FSU/Northwestern? Boring, FSU/Iowa? Boring! Travel expenses alone for away games would be ridiculous! As an FSU alum, I would rather stay in the ACC or go independent.

@kenmcbride1171 Месяц назад

It does not make sense to stay in a second rate conference (ACC). We along with Clemson have been carrying this pathetic conference for the last two decades. We are close to AAU accreditation and the revenue along with the rivalries would be great. As far as the SEC why go to a conference that is associated with ESPN. AS far as going independent, it will keep us out of the playoffs for years to come. That's the same dilemma that Notre Dame finds themselves in right now.

@tarheel7406 Месяц назад

@@kenmcbride1171 The ACC is #2 in top-level competitiveness and #3 in actual value. Perhaps if FSU hadn't pushed for those failed expansions? ~75% chance FSU lands in the BIG12 and dies with the rest.

@tarheel7406 Месяц назад

"We along with Clemson have been carrying this pathetic conference for the last two decades." BTW... This is an example of why FSU may end up not making the P2 cut. FSU agreed to carry ACC football. Why would another conference want FSU if it won't carry? Why would one want a carried FSU?

@Thaleck Месяц назад

Florida St. talking to the Big 12 is like an ex talking to a new boyfriend. And AAU is overrated.

@LEE_65 Месяц назад

AAU to a fan means nothing but AAU to presidents of a university means billions of dollars.

@RichSDet Месяц назад

It’s because Florida State has nothing to offer the B1G ! Get your facts straight , academically Florida State does not offer the Big Ten good schoolastics or great sports, other than football.

@ChrisHuntisOn Месяц назад

Florida st is academically ahead of multiple big ten schools. They would bring more money for the big ten. They are going to be paying players soon and you need as much advantage over sec as you can get.

@gnorley Месяц назад

Casual take. Again, FSU has been building research facilities since 2020. They are already the number one law research school in the country. The country. The outdated idea is that since the state of Florida is in the south, the universities are white trash U. Get your head out of your ass. The entire state of Florida's universities are on the rise.

@midtown1466 Месяц назад

No one wants to travel to tallahassee for away games. The airport sucks. A flight to tallahassee costs more than a flight to Europe. And the hotel situation in tallahassee is almost worse than the airport situation

@designsbysell Месяц назад

Tell us you have no idea how tv markets work without telling us. Enlighten us to which big ten team is in the Florida market.

@danielhicks5988 Месяц назад

Baseball just made the World series. Softball has a natty in past 5 years, soccer just won a natty. Our sports are all elite. Get your facts straight 😊

@baylorbear0358 Месяц назад

The Big Ten is probably the most boring conference in football to watch. I’m not denying that there are power houses in Michigan and Ohio State. But the majority of your old conference was full of teams that nobody wanted to watch play football. Big 12 put on exciting football gamesall day long.

@johnhawkes4048 Месяц назад

Are you texting this from your local truck stop come on good buddy stop tweaking on the meth and let's go watch Iowa state VS Texas tech that's must see t.v. aaaaaah ha ha aaaaaaah good buddied him one, get out of here.

@baylorbear0358 Месяц назад

@@johnhawkes4048 you come across as a JuCo guy. Hope that certificate worked out well for you,

@phaya284 Месяц назад

Exciting and losers. Watch the playoffs this year and look at the last 20 years! Look further back if you dare.

@tarheel7406 Месяц назад

@@phaya284 Football Playoff Appearances, 1st Rd Wins, Nattys (per Wiki 2015-2024) ACC: 8-4-2 (Includes 1 of 2 ND appearances) B12: 2-1-0 (Excludes OK; includes Cincy) B1G: 12-5-2 (Includes Oregon & Washington) PAC: 0-0-0 (Excludes Oregon & Washington) SEC: 17-10-6 (Includes OK & TEXAS) BCS Runner Ups - Champs (2000 - 2014) ACC: 4-3 (Includes VATECH, MIAMI, ND) B12: 0-0 (Excludes NEB, OK, TX) B1G: 5-2 (Includes NEB, USC, ORE) PAC: 0-0 (Excludes USC, ORE) SEC: 6-10 (Includes OK, TEX)

@phaya284 Месяц назад

OH...that why they get the big bucks! 😂