Expert blasts OceanGate over submersible shortcuts: 'We can do this safely' 

To Logitech’s credit.. That controller was probably the most well designed, rigorously tested and reliable sub-component of that entire vehicle 🤷🏽‍♂️

This wasn't an accident. It was preventable negligence and an arrogant abuse of the system. How NOT to design and test a submersible. -- (as experts have stated) -- The reckless choices of using carbon fiber for the hull - and gluing it (epoxy) to titanium - and the hull's shape "tube" & window were all points of failure. And the several dives weaken the materials.

*DELAMINATION is when microscopic tears between the fibers in carbon fiber composite start to build up over time with each contraction and expansion from diving and surfacing. Carbon fiber accumulates damage over time that cannot be (easily) inspected. Steel, on the other hand, returns to its original shape. So does ceramic and acrylic. Damage does not accumulate from one dive to the next. With CF, each dive adds new tears and the old tears remain. Once it gets to the point where water presses into the delaminated layers, the delamination intensifies quickly until catastrophic failure. For this reason, composites are avoided for deep sea vessels in favor of contiguous materials.*

I'm in international waters I can do what I want... That kinda arrogance lead to this. There's regulations for a reason.

If all the different countries (i.e. their tax-payers) have to fit the bill of paying for the search and rescue operations, then these tourist companies had better be made to get certified.

Carbon fiber hull was stupid for a Craft for multi deep dives

"Theres a reason we don't make helicopters out of wood." -Nimbus Terrafaux

*Avoiding not having to comply with regulations and inspections because of cost... This happens!*

My great grandad told me he got to see the titanic and from the beginning he was shouting "don't get on that ship" he repeatedly shouted this until he was kicked out of the cinemas.

Rush and the company should be sued, I’m sure all the corners he cut wasn’t added to the waiver.

Aperently the 5 inch thick carbon fibre shell made cracking noises on all previous dives.. crackin carbon fibre is very reassuring..

Don’t fix what isn’t broken to design a sub like this and not get it certified is unacceptable if any professional went over this sub they would have said to not get in it

Agree he seconded the safety factors for the sake of costs, running quickly to make a million $$$$ for every dive made by the vessel , this apathetic expediency cost him his life and the lives of the others. 🙁 Problem too is that the outer shell cover would hide any fractures in the carbon fibre core

OceanGate was operating on the fringes of the deep ocean industry. This incident does not tarnish the industry generally.

One of the previous passenger said that they heard cracking noises on the way ... Why did the owner still proceeded to drive this thing, pretending like you didn't hear the crackling.

It wasnt really a setback it was just poor engineering who didnt listen to the "old guys" and their "old ways". Old ways are safe ways.

Require certification of all vessels that carry passengers and make the companies involved in high risk adventures post a bond for rescue services. Regardless if they operate in international waters the company should be regulated by the country in which it is registered.

The joystick controller unwittingly evidences the true nature of the submersible. It is that of a toy.

May all the victim's rest in eternal peace ✌️ and my deepest condolences go to the families of the poor souls who were lost on the titan ❤❤❤❤❤

There is a huge difference between scientists experimenting and a tourist trip! These needs to be highlighted in law.

Be must safer to visit the Titanic in Belfast where the Titanic was built the experience is like being on the Titanic itself much safer..

The problem isn’t extreme depth diving. The problem is Stockton Rush who we’re rid of now.

I know its morbid but I hope the events leading to implosion were delayed enough that Stockton realised how badly he fucked up.

Time to close the loopholes on international law regarding international waters. This sub didn’t just materialize in international waters. They should have been stopped. The company and its executives should be held accountable.

*_All the money in the world would not have been worth that voyage._*_ But speaking of money, wouldn't the mother-ship (the sea ship that released the Titan) be liable for KNOWING the failed codes/standards/regulations and STILL assisted their release?_

Who pays for the search efforts, the recovery and the accident report?

Insane. They took a sub down that wasn’t certified. End of story. Manslaughter. Negligence on the upmost level. Regardless of signing’s of a waiver. Irresponsibility at the top level. Ocean gate should be held responsible.

it would not have passed certification on the view port alone, it was at a depth over twice it's rating anyway, and that is the simplest answer, that the view port gave way and blew the two titanium end caps off ???

The fact that this is so dangerous only adds to the allure. Start up culture works best at sea level, yes I agree. With great wealth comes a sense that not even the laws of physics apply. Next it will be 'Blue Origin' that blows up. Hamish has been in that tin can - A question to ask is how does this affect space exploration on the private side? All those trying to pencil their initials on the Moon, Mars etc. have disrupted and destroyed industries on Earth (where they hate humanity) so they can play in space. This Titan is an anomaly that puts to bed a lot of repeats - but the question is: Private enterprise blasting off to space... OK, regulated endeavors - But the gov't needs to step in and take charge - instead of allowing private industry to explore worlds for the betterment of their bottom line. Greed and ego destroyed the Titan - Human 'virtues', so lets talk about our greed ....

The load case is the cause... the application of carbon fibre composite was not appropriate!

the simplest explanation would be the view port which was rated at less than half the depth of where the vessel was at, just cracked and gave way, the in rush of water blew the two titanium end caps off ???

The camping world lighting had more certification than the entire sub. At least the so called CEO was in it so he can't try this again!

Surely they had some sort of protocol in place to test the integrity of the hull before each dive considering they were using experimental material. Madness…

He had the company headquartered in the Bahamas

Anyone know how many times the vessel was tested at that depth? I haven’t heard anything about the amount of testing that went into it.

I feel there might be a few Oceangate admins shredding some paperwork tonight.

What I *hate is the disaster porn aspect of Titanic tourism. Go respectfully for research purposes, not to leer at this crumbling artifact of human horror.

Lets face it, sounds like a real shitshow company..

I can't believe he used a logitech video game controller. For a sub going that deep, he should have had a sony playstation controller.

The PlayStation controller didn't destroy the sub, but it reflected the company's culture. A gung-ho attitude may be cool in a company creating a new app but not an engineering/manufacturing company with literal life-and-death stakes.

Wow his answers to all the questions are so on point and wise.

Informative reporting 👏. It was outrageous for Stockton to reject the certification process and known safety concerns and then be reckless enough to take passengers with him. The billionaire passenger apparently thought the vessel was safe because it had made successful trips before.

Will forever be known as the Suicide Sub

That CEO seemed money hungry made cheap crap and charged 250k to line his pockets but worked out for the worst.

Just Googled to get a better understanding of the material used in the construction of the Titan, which states ' Carbon fiber will break or shatter when it's compressed, pushed beyond its strength capabilities or exposed to high impact. What were you thinking Rush?

Even if it was fully certified I still wouldn't have gone.

If it was illegal in Canada, how and why did it sail out of St. John's?

I dont think theres an amount of money you could pay me to go down there

Just because we CAN do it doesn't mean we SHOULD do it

Knowing the risk i just don't get why he went forward, risking lives. Was he suicidal? Did he have a death wish?

The poor boy terrible his parents took this chance

This should have happened during test trials where you could say "Glad no tourist were onboard" when it imploded.

I know very little about engineering or physics but even I questioned many things, like the lack of gaskets where they joined those end caps to the tube & how 17 bolts to shuт the entrance seemed too few….oh & using carbon fiber (which seemed too thin to me).

The regulations should be based on what country you're based in not what waters you end up in.

3 families need to sue the s*** out of Ocean Gate

I'm surprised they were able to successfully market their tourism service without meeting certification in a reasonably respected country. Many certifications are only voluntary and hence only market forces require them so could this just be a matter of ignorance by the consumers and not defining political governance of international waters?

It banged into something which caused it to implode with pressure that comes from being under water

Response to the question of the expert : what caused the implosion? Me : the pressure?

I would not have got in that thing on land let alone 12,000 feet down Just seems crazy

The commentaries evoke memories of reading the book "Jurassic Park" by M. Crichton, and his description of the mentality of the genetic exploration companies, the lawyers and CEOs in that book.

So many experts. With no consistent Info🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔.

250k to go down to the bottom of the ocean in that? I wouldn’t have gone if I’d been paid that amount. I’m obviously not a thrill seeker.

The waters may be international, but Oceangate Inc. was based in Washington. This submersible’s operations could have been regulated.

The answer would seem to be not allowing experimental craft to be used to grift rich tourists.

How would certification hhave made it any safer than it was

Why didn’t he say all this before the accident.

They knew they were dead two days before admitting their demise so how come they weren’t honest with the public

If I had oodles and oodles of money, I would have loved to go see the Titanic BUT I would have researched the hell out of the company and sub. No way I would have gone down in a sub that was bolted closed from the outside and that’s just for starters!

Leave the _Titanic_ site alone.

If you’ve got $250,000, hire a proper sub.

he is spot on with his details. It's political

I've been friends with Will's son since 3rd grade. Pretty crazy to see him on the news

From all who are speaking on this vessel, It was negligence...

Sonic Comms Shattered It Like A Wine Glass 🍷 PING!...... POP! Resonance

Everyone going mad jumping on the hype train... allow me to remind you all that Challenger 2 built by a national space program exploded while civilians were on board. Mistakes happen.

When it came to cutting corners Ocean Gates Titan raised the bar

At this point recovery should be abandoned. Lesson learned.

About the hull... carbon fiber strong under tension not compression, it was designed for a 7 inch thick hull, they got 5 inch thick. There was handles, tv screens and stuff bolted into the hull directly (weak points), there was light bars embedded in the hull.. wtf.. i watched the oceangate documentary, it actually looked comfortable in there , the passengers were enjoying the titanic experience despite a thruster installed backwards that made it go in circles

Oceangate chose to pursue design and construction completely counter to the industry standards. They should be made an example of but not used as a way to shut down the industry!

Very true sir

From a layperson perspective, the only suitable certification for Titan and the project involving taking paying customers down too visit Titanic, was one of complete insanity. Fully certified Insanity would be the fairest. Waiver to sign away a life, especially if a fan of Titanic persuading a son to go with him to see the shipwreck close up and in person as opposed to safely at home watching a Dr.Rob Ballard or a James Cameron video of her. R.I.Titan and all those who sailed in him. Why him and bit her for the Titan... Simply because it looks like a male member including the eye viewport, that's whyP

All these “friends” of the guy. All these “experts.” ‘Everybody told him’.

"Show your papers before you leave a port" No..

Only have sympathy for the teenager murdered, the rest were grown adults. stockton rush, oceangate expeditions, and all its employees murdered "the crew". Also, that billionaire guy was just as culpable in the murder of his young son. Shameful events.

His qualifications were in aerospace where the INSIDE of the vehicle is at higher pressure and the maximum differential is ONE bar. The way he talks about carbon fiber being the best material is entirely based on that - carbon fiber loves being in TENSION, not compression. The titanium end caps prevented the ends compressing, so there would have been irregular deformation from end to end, not great for composites which will ALWAYS have a point of failure, in this case about 15 cycles. Honestly, he approached this as if it was an aeroplane - does the carbon fiber make the hull stronger than just pure resin when it's COMPRESSED? I'm honestly not sure, I DO know that it's perfect for 787 and A350 fuselages 🤬

"Theres a reason we don't make helicopters out of wood." -Nimbus Terrafaux. "Theres a reason we don't make helicopters out of wood." -Nimbus Terrafaux.

what i gather is that carbon composites are the wrong choice for submersibles. They work best under tension to keep internal forces in. It's quite similar to why no one anywhere ever has worn lululemon pants to make their booty look bigger.

THIS SUB WAS NOT CERTIFIED, NOT LEGAL IN USA

All these experts coming out after the fact. Where were they before it all happened?? Hindsight is 20/20

Captain Crunch: Darwin award.

The CEO admitted negligence in his videos. I don't think that's even a debate. More laws will probably be enforced now. It's very very sad that these human beings lost their lives. Even if they made the choice to go down.

$1M death - sounds way to expensive.

Could it be that after each deep dive the Titan submersible's material integrity degraded?

To quote Scott Manley. 🗣️The Logitech🎮 controller had more product testing and rigorous📝👀 scrutiny than the rest of the sub.🛀 Personally I would have used an XBOX controller.

Stockton Rushdesign.

there's the thirst for romanticism and thrill seeking - going to view a grave site. then there is scientific exploration undertaken with stringent testing and regulation. it's a bit foolish to question all submersible technology in the context of titan and a narcissists irresponsible actions.

There is a need it won't stop

The thing looked like a sea mamal. Too bad we'll never know if a whale bumped into it causing damage and subsequent implosion.

Purposely heading into 60,000 of pressure in an uncertified experimental vessel and dying is a tragedy?

He kinda reminds me of a French James Cameron