James Cameron, Bob Ballard discuss missing Titanic submersible tragedy l GMA 

Unfortunately, the Ocean Gate CEO wouldn’t have listened to him. He wanted “yes men” around him.

​​@@jjayguy23Even if Cameron warn Stockman about the dangers of his sub. It would be one ear out the other. Exactly 💯

James is an explorer that makes great movies as his day job (that’s one of the big reasons why he made Titanic in the first place as he said many times).

James is true film maker and explorer

Robert Ballard is an even bigger expert. he’s a legend

Exactly 💯

Gee, do you think the passengers deserve a refund after what happened?

@@rodneyboehner3007 they agreed to dive on that sub despite being warned

@@aserv05 So, does that mean they're not getting their money back?

@@rodneyboehner3007 we didn't see the terms of the agreement, if they had life insurance maybe their families would get some money out of it

I agree. He is very impressive. I find him to be a fascinating human being

They and Cameron knew all along they were dead and why yet didn't have the honesty and integrity to tell us the truth, and I did think they all sounded extra mealy mouthed. James Cameron has been saying he knew on Sunday that the sub was crushed. There was a recording of it imploding at the same time they lost contact and they new it all along.

Thanks to him for his expertises. It's sad imagining how they died. They didn't even have the time to think.

@@tomasinacovell4293 the operation and procedures would still be the same what ever the outcome.

What should horrify people is that Boeing-the people who brought you the 737 Max-provided technical consultation on using carbon fiber for the hull of the sub from their experience of using it on their jet fuselages. There are thousands of jets in service now with carbon fiber fuselages which experience cyclic loading that experience fatigue waiting for the same fate as Oceangate's Titan. Tic, tic, tic...Happy travels, everyone!!

I know, it’s infuriating to see Cameron get all the praise. Robert Ballard is legendary. He is more of an expert than james

Stupendous analogy.

@@paulwoodford1984 To be fair to Cameron, Ballard is somewhat reserved, even introverted at times when it comes to wrecks and the such. I think because he dealt with classified stuff and his beliefs of leaving the Titanic alone.

I’m 40 but didn’t know who Mr. Ballard is so I must be a kid! (I’m an elder millennial and was a teenager when Titanic came out, so yes, I only know about Cameron). Many people have educated me since on what a legend Ballard is and he sounds like a well-spoken articulate man, but so is Cameron and I can appreciate both of their perspectives on this tragedy!

@@akim2154 i am 38 and knew who ballard was when i was ten and had the vhs tape on the discovery of the titanic and the books. But at least you learnt an bout him. I knew about cameron a bit later when i saw the epic 1997 titanic film. As a titanic fan that whole film was phenomenal to me back then. saw it fifty times in four years or so lol. both are very knowledgeable but i hope more people learn about ballard.

PH Nargeolet was the other legend when it's comes to deep sea titanic exploration

@@narutonutty and that's what is absolutely baffling about all this. Because Hamish Harding also had a good amount of experience with very deep dives, not with the titanic, but he had been down the Marianna trench (Cameron was the first to go down there back in 2012). So for all the talk about 'obvious' concerns, those two apparently didn't seem to see any issues...

​@@narutonutty PH Nargeolet, it's 35 dives with submarines to see the wreck of the Titanic, the very first time in 1987. The 36th time in 2023 was fatal for him.

Perhaps Ballard and Cameron together can dive to the site to see Titan and Titanic, and pay homage to their lost friends.

@@Trekki200James wasn’t the first to go to challenger deep. He was the first to do it solo.

Then he should have warned people and been more vocal the last 14 years, don't you think?

​@@youtubesnamingpolicysucks How much more vocal can the deep see exploration be than a letter from veterans in the field IMPLORING Oceongate to have their sub certified? It was clear by then that no amount of pleading would've convinced Stockton. He was set in his ways and he got innocents killed because of that.

​@@youtubesnamingpolicysucks he and others did, but OceanGate had lawyers.

@@youtubesnamingpolicysucks That Rush guy was warned many times, from industry experts and he didn't listen to them, even sued a former employee who the company fired after he brought up safety problems with the design.

​@@youtubesnamingpolicysucks4:57 He warned them alright but did they listen?????

It is a shame that other companies worldwide who do operate under strict safety regulations will be taking a hit from this incident.

@@annamorris7097 Most likely not. The REAL submersibles are certified and have been since they were built, Alvin has been in service since 1964 and was built by General Mills Electronics (a division of the cereal company) and it's still being used. Everyone else seems to take themselves seriously, OceanGate did not.

Exactly. He wasn’t selling tickets to people for a tourist ride. That is the whole point

Yup, he wasn't planning on doing it every year, multiple times either, so in his case certification wouldn't have meant much, but in Oceangate's case it was avoided so they could operate a business and I doubt even after making it profitable (it's my understanding they were operating at a loss) the CEO would've pursued that path and remained the supposedly maverick and innovator, at least according to him.

@@Ometecuhtli I'm only speculating here, but with a lot of companies like that, some sponsorships, investments and "donations", not to mention deductible losses, subsidies, etc, I'd venture to say they probably made a profit off the books.

Yup. Good point.

Also, he worked with experienced engineers to build it, didn't cut corners, took their time and they did do test dives.

I admit that James Cameron just earned my respect. Up til know I arrogantly assumed he was nothing but arrogance. I stand corrected.

He actually is quite arrogant, and those that know him well say precisely that

Because Stockton truly believed he had something good going, and I guess Nargeolet thought their previous successful dives were enough to give it a go. Oh well. . .

He was an expert on the Titanic, not vessel safety. He likely believed in Rush's confidence, like many others. Lesson is to always do your own research and ensure you are in certified vessels or vehicles.

Mine babbling 😢

Well there are people who trust their Tesla will drive them safely to their destination without intervention, so trusting a industry where there haven't been a single human loss in deep sea exploration for half a century, even if he's an expert on Titanic (but not vessel design) is not a stretch.

He was their guide

So true

Four passengers and one homicidal sociopath.

People have a right to be angry with him but I think ‘egomaniac’ is probably a more accurate term, end of the day he was still a human being and deserves some respect especially in death, he wasn’t an evil man just very reckless and stupid which is what he will be known for when we tell the history of this tragedy.

They couldn't get that deathtrap certified. They'd have to completely redesign and rebuild it.

The titan would have been ok for much shallower depths. I think the view port was rated for 1.3km. They are going well over twice it’s rated depth. Absolutely insane. Either the hill collapsed or the port hole blew out.

He had the record for deepest diving. He went down to challenger deep- national geographic featured

Physics major......and that is just the start

Yes, I was thinking the same. I love his analysis, that is just enough in plain English that is easily understood.

I've followed his career since The Terminator, and in learning about him over the years, he's actually an engineer, scientist, inventor, explorer first. Filmmaking is just a hobby. How lucky are we to have him make films too!

He's a genius. I respect his film his making.

And the Abyss, which was his first deep under water movie, and it was awesome.

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Notice both said "friends at the navy notified us of the crush sound. We knew what happened"... The Coast Guard obviously had to make sure, but I wish it had been more clearly explained in the beginning.

You should see his mission in the deep sea trench.

These 2 men have gone places that just about no one else in the grand scheme of things, ever will.

Dude's only made like 4 feature films and a half-dozen documentaries about the ocean, haha.

He couldn't have done such a beautiful movie without a deep technical knowledge.

He’s been interested in ocean exploration since a kid. In the Deepsea challenger documentary he says really the reason he does filmmaking is to fund his ocean exploration missions. People get too wrapped up in what people do for work and just see him as a film director when really he’s an explorer that occasionally does movies.

I said the same thing to my Aunt. I couldn't get inside something like that and go deep down into the ocean under the control of a gaming device. I couldn't fathom it.

Game controllers are industry standard, and are used in the military as well, because they are very intuitive and work reliably. Notably this fact wasn’t mentioned in the interview because James and Bob didn’t find it relevant to the topic, and didn’t consider it as a failure point for the same reasons

It could be operated manually too, it was one of the few things OceanGate actually seemed to know wasn't 100% reliable, and the military doesn't use wireless controllers and they're also modified according to their use, not off-the-shelve merchandise.

Same, its fascinating. I wish I would've waited to go to college. I would've chosen a more science based major now.

@@mariejae 😁😁😁 I should have listen more to my science teacher .

In capitalish America, when you pay $250,000 to see the Titanic wreck, Titanic wrecks YOU!!

The race against time to save them when everyone thought they were just trapped inside was very compelling too

@@pete6705 Yes, very movie like. Funny I was watching The Core (2003) just a few weeks ago.

Man, people want a different tragedy to grasp, other than Biden !

This was a very ignorant and presumptuous comment.

James Cameron was so obsessed with the ocean that the movie Titanic was an excuse so he could have the funds to deep dive 😂😂

I don’t know why but when you were talking about Marine Biology , the first person related to this came into my mind was Steven Hillenberg , Spongebob Squarepants creator

Totally agree with you. It's funny you've almost described my childhood and interest in Titanic to a tee! Here in the UK they showed the documentary "The Nightmare and the Dream" on ITV in 1986, and I still remember watching that and being captivated by it. Since then I've followed Bob Ballard's work and WHOI in general, and just have a huge amount of respect for his expertise in this area. I'm really glad he made the point about Alvin - and that was the first thing I thought of when seeing the news and the details of the oceangate sub. The contrast between the two vessels just tells you everything. One is a serious scientific exploration platform built by scientists and naval engineers. The other is an amateur project driven by entrepreneurs and people who frankly did not have a clue what they were doing. The ocean showed corresponding respect in each case.

@@sevenoaksOO Okay, we’ve got to talk ha. That is SO cool.

@@sevenoaksOO I really couldn’t agree more re nature. You disrespect her and she’ll whoop you. You cannot get around natural laws with a can do attitude and some pep. Like…follow the principles of deep ocean physics, my guy.

Agreed

that's what James mentioned: the Russian subs go through re-certification every 5 years which they perform checks for like maybe internal fractures or weaken joints etc. Titan had none which in part due to the length of time (years) to certify. In aviation/aerospace (flying) industries, you multiple prototypes where while one is going through checks another could still be flying. OceanGate (OG) only has one, and they depended on expeditions to fund their works. Perhaps the industry should do this: every company should use proven technologies for their products. When you propose new technology, a separate entity (consisting of companies and agencies) would help build and test this new technology (eg. Carbon Fiber). This way it lessen financial burden on one company. There is one thing to consider is that Titan has a larger hull for 5 crew than all other submersibles which has max capacity 3 crew. I wonder if this played a role in OG opting for carbon fiber which is lighter than steel or titanium.

from listening to this interview, just don't even use this material for deep sea submersibles. i wouldn't care how many certifications it would have. in reality, it would've probably failed all of them.

@@michaels9595 I agree upon reading more from James Cameron youtubes. I'm learning now carbon fiber or composites are non-contiguous. The combining of filament and epoxy could form microscopic delamination which in my understanding start of failure. The earlier weakening may not even be detectable. Learn by trials. Unfortunately, the trials were actual paid expediations which had ignored warnings

or they could have classed the design in the first place, which they didn't do. surely it would have failed under repeated stress tests, which is normally how these submersibles are classed

Non, he's a POS liar! They and Cameron knew all along they were dead and why yet didn't have the honesty and integrity to tell us the truth, and I did think they all sounded extra mealy mouthed. James Cameron has been saying he knew on Sunday that the sub was crushed. There was a recording of it imploding at the same time they lost contact and they new it all along.

He had to figure out how the Titanic sank and all the pieces that came apart during the sinking. He's had a lot of experience and study since the 90s.

​@@mariejae he described the wreckage as if he saw it , he didn't conjure up a story or "figure it out".

I wonder if anyone has asked if James Cameron tried to talk his friend the French explorer out of doing the dive. He must have been aware that Mr. Nargeolet was joining this trip.

@@maxwellsdaemon7 i imagine he probably did try to talk his friend out of it. and i also imagine he will go the rest of his life wondering why his friend didn't listen. i liken it to trying to talk your drunk friend into giving you the keys and letting you drive. sometimes they give you the keys, and sometimes they insist on driving themselves. whatever the reason was, the french explorer (ph?) decided to go. sad though

@@maxwellsdaemon7 that’s exactly what I’m wondering! i’m curious if he knew his friend was getting on this specific expedition and what his thoughts are on why his friend chose to do that

even at $250,000/per person Oceangate still operated at a loss, deep sea diving is a money sink

Stockton wanted to be remembered as an explorer who broke the rules.He fought the Sea and the Sea won.!!!😅😅

The company wasn’t making a profit, all the money went to gas. His big dream was to get his design credit and get the attention of big oil so he could work with them as they spend $$$$$$$$$ on robots.

@@faithnaidoo7647it always does. The sea gives, and the sea takes.

@@Seashellsbytheseashore21 Big oil? Well that's disappointing, I thought maverick innovators always preferred Lybian-rebels' plutonium.

Using glue oh my god 😢

They treated this like it was some middle school science project

Yes. I agree.

They probably did but didn't understand technical details. That's why commercial dives shouldn't be classified as experimental unless they have humans as lab rats which seems to have been the case.

sadly, probably the impeccable safety record of deep sea submersibles. And the fact that oceangate had had numerous successful dives up until that point.

@@mariatapkova5914 It's all so sad. That said, there was the French Explorer on board that obviously didn't find any fault with the Titan. I guess we can't romanticize the adventure over the reality of the danger. Very tough and sad ending no matter how you see it. May they all rest in Peace.

@@janmac218 yeah well you're probably right. It's sad, it's unbelievable.

I don't think Nargeolet (the French explorer) did know much about the difference between composite materials and metal in deep ocean exploration to make a judgement, so he went with what common sense dictated i.e. that Oceangate had capable people and good engineering for the task. He must have been eager to show his beloved Titanic to the laymen who probably were just as passionate (if you've seen their videos there's _citizen explorers_ crying from joy at the experience), but unfortunately paid the price of an experimental vessel alongside the other occupants.

Actually, he was fired.

He should have made sure it was stopped don't you think.

@@YTRulesFromNM it doesn't say a lot for the company does it. They was just interested in the money. Which is sad

Yeah I heard about that report just now

When that contraption imploded I seriously doubt they had time to even blink an eye much less panic before they were turned into vapor.

It was my understanding there is no audio relay just text messages

@@presumed_guilty yes another failure of theirs was the only form of communication with the surface was bluetooth starlink and text messages... that all went out when the implosion happened. Their sensor went off that the hull was damaged and they were going to ascend and then boom.

Have they found the bodies yet

He is the only person I would go down with a true professional.

I didn't realise he was 80. He looks well.

@@philipbooth7779 he gives himself in really good shape he still likes to dive. Yeah I couldn't wait to hear what he had to say I like him guess that's a big man does for you

@@greendragon4058 I like him as well I always have. Some people you just like from the start he is one of them.

Futility or the implosion of the Titan

Titan has been tested and used for several times but I think they overlooked the cumulative damage from those tests and dives.

Indeed I think that remark from James was a way of distancing himself from PH, that they had a shared interest but two very different ideas about how they went about it. It's a tough one, though, as PH was, I'm sure, just trying to make a living around something he loved.

Yes... I caught that....Kinda sick

@nomenclature9607 Yes it is.

Very few bodies made it to the bottom, if Vaasa with human remains still in it was an archaelogical site what makes Titanic a gravesite if there isn't a single drop of human DNA in the whole of it?