Explaining Deleuze with drum machines 

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Your mom was based, redpilled and chad-like.

Or maybe you're mom was lying to you to make you feel better. Same way post modern artists lie to themselves about how their shit art is actually as good as traditional "representational" art.

Are you a BwO yet?

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a pathetic example - that too Giles Deleuze never meant - You see, even if you use a old crude drum machine from the 80s or a new machine from 2022 ... the rules remains the same. the same grid. Which also apply to a real drummer playing a physical drum kit... You cannot step outside the time, tempo and subdivisions = grid! Your basically peddling bullshit without using a drum machine, now or from back then.

@@AudioPervert1 Into how many comments are you gonna copy paste this, exactly?

Just commenthed because name, because I am very into bunnies. But sort of relevant to this video, I'm probably more interested in all the different representations of them in literature, art, comics, etc... Tilt your screen on the side to see ascii bunneh =:x

Great comment!

Think about it. The root of leftist organising is socialism. Everything we do to resist the capitalist era builds upon the Paris commune. Marxist Leninism achieved great workers states in Russia, China, the DPRK etc. Another branch is anarchism, which fought Franco in Spain. Each new branch can be said to be a rhizome after a fashion, as they must each adapt to varying material and cultural conditions. Making new ideas out of what is available to them, like juche in DPRK, Christian liberation in Latin America, socialism with Chinese characteristics in the PRC. Then we have extinction rebellion, a largely white, middle class movement coordinated by academics in London through mainly top down communication through an app, demanding that we get arrested to fill the jails of the western world. Their organisation is in bed with the very corporations and liberal parties who are causing climate change. This is an example of a very poor representation of leftists, led by the liberal wing of capitalism.

There is no connection

Ig in video games, nier automata is an example

@@canti7951 and video game people are constantly failing at this. They engage in never-ending discourse about whether or not video games are "art", and then try to prove that they ARE art by...making them look like other art forms. So you get The Last Of Us being held up as an example of 'art" in viceo games, precisely because it looks like a film, rather than asking "what can video games DO?" and pushing the medium forward into new uncharted territory.

@@MattWrafter @canti7951 Yes! Thats always my go to example as well, Nier Automata is a stand out in the medium.

@@MattWrafter What you're looking for is Papers, Please

In old Landownerist times it was a guardian angel, now it late Capitalist ones it's your friendly personal CIA attaché, probably an algorithm or some underemployed mod working in the worst possible conditions in Warsaw.

It’s all part of the programming. Your instructions are being slowly encoded.

this is how I feel about modern architecture...unreadable,meaningless and cruel...but otherwise very applicable :)

Woah... Interesting. Do they talk about faciality? That chapter talks quite a bit about architecture but i dont know much about it.

@@PunishedFelix It's been many years so I honestly don't remember. Deleuze's concepts is a way of categorising different systems or paradigms so it can be applied to many different things, like art, architecture or language. The way we used the concept of rhizom was in regards to how cities are structured, not so much the architecture itself. A helpful analogy could be different kinds of eggs. Medieval cities takes the form of a cross section of a boiled egg where the yolk is the castle, the egg white are the houses around it and the shell is the city wall. The industrial city would be more akin to a fried egg with the yolk as the city center and the white as the sprawling suburban area around it. Both types are build around a hierarchy or tree structure with a center where everything revolves around. A rhizomatic city is more like scrambled eggs with no apparent center. It opens up different possibilities for getting needs to people and could solve some infrastructural problems that are inherent to more traditional cities. I didn't go the city planning route in my studies so I didn't explore it further, but it was interesting to think about.

Cities are not ideal for the human condition in my opinion. Too me there devoid of beauty in many cases, it`s too many people so most connections made are only made suited to fit superficial needs. But i have a very modernist view on the concept of cities.

@The Truth Cities have withstood 6000 years of testing, and people still live in them. I think they suit the human condition just fine. People have been saying cities make people greedy, isolated, and superficial almost since they first began, though, so you’re not alone in your opinion

TMM is deleuzian?

a pathetic example - that too Giles Deleuze never meant - You see, even if you use a old crude drum machine from the 80s or a new machine from 2022 ... the rules remains the same. the same grid. Which also apply to a real drummer playing a physical drum kit... You cannot step outside the time, tempo and subdivisions = grid! Your basically peddling bullshit without using a drum machine, now or from back then.

@@AudioPervert1 This is just the basic problem with every deleuzian ontological schema though.

@@AudioPervert1 deep breaths, its gonna be ok

That's an interesting example. The east vs. west coast philosophy of synths, moog vs. buchla. Moog won out commercially because synths were super expensive, so generally only musicians with a lot of cash to spare were buying them, and the keyboard model fit into existing western scales and gear set ups; moog also had better salespeople. There's a really cool documentary called "I Dream of Wires" that goes over this era, interviews with the people on both sides.

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Jessie Prinz has a really good article about punk rock aesthetics. It might be worth checking out if you are interested.

I think he's referenced Suicide(the band lol) multiple times on this channel

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Explaining Deleuze with drum machines 1939pm 8.9.23 take for instance Freud creating the nazi party.

Virgin Jordan Peterson: "noo, there's only one map, the Jungian map, you can't create new maps." Chad Deleuze: "haha drum machines go brrr"

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Certified bullshit too.

How come?

@@yuricamposklink1400 It does an amazing job of making Deleuze's philosophy digestible for anyone unfamiliar with it. It also calls for individuals to be innovative and authentic in their attempt at art, whatever that may be instead of relying on the conventional paths, imo.

Wondering if this is the reasons why the biggest frontiers of electronic music even today aren't usually with classical or other kind of traditional music background...

@@LyubomirIko heh, maybe, maybe!

@@LyubomirIko The 'classical' way of thinking about music, especially theory based is dead. Of course a lot of people use it as a 'guideline', and if you're into traditional music you need it. I mean, as we were told by our lecturers - the more you actually learn about theory and become averse in it, it's more about learning to break the rules you made for yourself in the first place. One of them told me that if he wanted to be truly creative in music, he should not have learnt it at all - in fact he always joked that all musicians that play instruments wish they played drums instead.

I’m just getting into drumming now… And I think there’s a lot to be said for learning rock and jazz patterns… But at the same time, I wonder why it has to be that way. Frontiers remain…

a pathetic example - that too Giles Deleuze never meant - You see, even if you use a old crude drum machine from the 80s or a new machine from 2022 ... the rules remains the same. the same grid. Which also apply to a real drummer playing a physical drum kit... You cannot step outside the time, tempo and subdivisions = grid! Your basically peddling bullshit without using a drum machine, now or from back then.

@@AudioPervert1 I don't understand what you meant? In that case - how someone can innovate in music, or this is the point of Deleuze - innovations are impossible?

@@AudioPervert1 r u ok?

Guattari ran pirate radio from the late 70s thru the 80s. We can only hope that GuattBeats are canon.

@@AudioPervert1 a real drummer can step outside the grid if he wants to, what are you talking about?

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reaching back out across the void here, even if a year late, to wish you well. I hope your financial situation has improved. Hang in there. Trying to make sense and confront our predicament by way of philosophy is one of the best things we can hope to do in this quick, powerless existence of ours.

How are you now, mate? Hope everything worked out fine. And if not everything, at least something. Let us know Kudos man!

I really want to understand your comment but I don't. Care to point me in the right direction? A book to read? A video to watch?

@@aeloh6921 Looks like they removed my link to Fisher's K-Punk blog...

@Aeloh did you follow this video? If so, I'll use these terms. Bergson gave primary consideration to the effect of matter on consciousness. Fisher is criticising this as leading to priority of the individual subject- as being a quality of "representational" thinking. For Deleuze it's not just a binary between "arborescent" and "rhizomatic." He recognized that everything is in a constant state of movement and change, a flux or flow. A representation is a block in the flow. When there is a block there is also a diversion. That is what a Line of Flight is; the connections between them are the Rhisome. Now I would say Fisher was wrong because it was from Bergson's physics that Deleuze developed these ideas, and of experience as a flow "captured" by consciousness. In Bergson this is primary only because that is our experience, but he makes it clear the two are operating in a system and only function together.

@@JebeckyGranjola Thanks a lot, now I understand better @Romantic Placebo's comment, which I found very interesting.

@@maxwelllegere1483 I think he raises good points, specifically in how he locates our present day situation as an extension of Deleuze without the BwO. You say cynical, I say punk

I was recently thinking about this while playing Horizon zero dawn. It's a classic open world action adventure in many ways but it really captured me with the way it presents the world and some of the story through gameplay/exploration. You could call it ludonarrative consonance I guess. Point is it's something that would fall flat if the game tried to immitate a movie instead (which many games do)

Good example.

@@McDonaldsCalifornia - Story-like games are book-like, not really that innovative IMO.

Thank you so much for the recommendation. I'm writing about Death and Spinoza, so I'd love to hear any thoughts on the subject.

@Classic Max Yes that's certainly true, although I'm not sure the relevant thinking among neurotypicals in that regard is consistently arborescent, it might just be less frequently rhizomatic.

I don't use "neurotypical" but "normaloid" and treat it as a mental disease. Also I suspect that "neurodivergent" is not a good enough term, "free thinker" is probably better.

Yes, it's fun making up pseudo words which are supposed to sound "interesting".

@@wolfgangdevries127 They aren't "made up" words they come from biology 🙄

@@wiegraf9009 start with understanding simple words like "sarcasm", before you confuse yourself with endless endoramas. Just saying

*"arborescent" A common word in botany and gardening meaning "becoming like a tree", typically used for some bushes which can turn into trees, especially if you prune them properly. In this context it means just "tree-like", I guess.

Culture may be constantly novel at surface level but the deeper patterns constantly repeat. Sadly, seeing these patterns and getting bored of them requires intelligence (the deeper the patterns the more intelligence, because there are more steps needed to see the similarity across the different examples, and they move to more abstract planes of thought). Call me an elitist but it is because of this democratization of art and the lack of careful study that there aren't new 'abstract patterns', at least not in the mainstream.

No reason to fear or hope, but to look for new weapons.

@@mouwersor You have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty

​@@cerumen I hope this is not implicitly an attempt to call me pretentious or anything, that's what that meme has been used for.

@@mouwersor its not all that different from how its always been. The only difference is interconnectivity, which is actually great for the generation of "new patterns." I imagine its similar Kuhns normal science v. revolutionary science -- we have periods of normal cultural advancement, small microsteps in one direction until that revolutionary idea who inseminates the world and births a new era.

hi-five! It's interesting to note that so often the problems you end up having to solve in OOP are problems about keeping things OOP.

Totally. As soon as you start using classes and methods you get locked into those patterns instead of being able to dynamically pass data around and process it the way each specific case actually requires. Then you end up having to to keep adding functionality into your classes and methods until they become completely bloated for half of the code that actually needs to use them. Of course there are lots of upsides too but those are some obvious downsides.

/jil's/ I guess

You did not learn how to pronounce Guattari's last name properly however, he made it sound French when it's Italian.

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Not a bad comparison.

Now I wanna see Lego movie - a deleuzian analysis

@@McDonaldsCalifornia There is one by Goggin thinking about society of control and securitization

I was thinking about voice synths too and how some producers used them to create melodies impossible to perform by humans so your input is really interesting

@@katresan1059 who are some other examples of producers who use them like that?

@@chriss780 One example I can think of is "Worlock" by Skinny Puppy. It's a dark, electronic industrial song that also uses a vocoder for some of the vocals to give them an interesting robotic sound.

@@dateddelvings1695 thabks ill check it out!

I always prefer the vocaloid tuning that sounds inhuman and robotic

Plato's forms aren't ideological constructs the way that 'degeneracy' is.

@@memereference2545 Oh sure but it just reminded me, since many do people end up having similar 'perfect examples' conjured up in their heads for a lot of these things

Thank you so much for doing this! I tried reading those stupid books years ago and I just couldn't get anything out of them (capitalism and schizophrenia). I'm so frustrated that I've had to spend so much time wandering around in the dark when there are people who already did that work and just encoded it in inaccessible language. :( :( :(

Reading isn't really my thing, but I think I might actually give your book a try. Your style is very accessible.

Fair enough but, after reading your explanation, I'm guessing it was an intentional choice.

From the book The User Illusion. I think this is one of the best explanations for it i've read Complexity covers a vast territory that lies between order and chaos," the physicist Heinz Pagels wrote in his visionary book The Dreams of Reason (1988). For the fact is, the spectrum of possibilities that the notions of order and disorder offer our cosmology is a very poor one. Total disorder is uninteresting. A mess. Not worth talking about, because we cannot describe it in any explanatory way. There is no more to be said about disorder than it says itself. Similarly, total order is not particularly interesting either. A lattice of atoms in a crystal, a meticulously arranged pattern of reiterations. What there is to say about such order is quickly said and soon becomes trivial. So there must be a third possibility, which is neither total disorder nor total order, something that is definitely not trivial but is complicated without being chaotic: complexity. This territory between order and chaos encompasses practically everything worth talking about, everything we talk about and experience in our everyday lives: living beings, changes in the weather, wonderful landscapes, friendly conversation, delicious salads, and fun and games. Take a piece of writing. If it is totally ordered and predictable, it is of little interest. There is an enormous amount of order in a text composed of regular series of letters such as AAAAAAAAAA. The algorithmic information theory explains why it is boring. It is not difficult to prepare a concise description that permits the reproduction of such a text: 10 times A. Conversely, a total mess of a text isn't that interesting either: LIUQWEGAEIUJO. According to algorithmic information theory, the shortest program that can reproduce this string of random letters is the string itself. Because it is a random string of letters. Widespread acceptance of information theory has always been plagued by the fact that there is far more information in a text written by a monkey than in a text written by a famous author. But this is only natural, because there is no system in what the monkey writes (as far as we can see, at any rate), so it cannot be expressed more concisely, whereas the author's text always includes an amount of redundancy a meaningful text can always be expressed a bit more concisely because language contains a degree of superfluous characters. You u_ders_and w_at is _rint_d her_ even _houg_ ever_ fift_ lett_r has _een r_move_, righ_? A totally ordered text contains very little information and is therefore very easy for the telephone engineer to compress and transmit, whereas a totally disordered text requires very accurate reproduction, and even that cannot make it especially interesting. So meaning and information cannot have much to do with each other as regards pieces of text. Similarly, complexity and information cannot have much to do with each other as regards the physical world. Of course, there has to be a certain amount of information before we can talk of meaning or complexity. But the amount is not what matters most. Information is an interesting concept but not a particularly good measure of complexity.

His reading of the Lacanian Big Other challenges Deleuze's position on widespread Oedipalization I think.

Zizek is very fond of both Lacan and Hegel, while Deleuze wrote some somewhat fierce criticism of them. The main argument seems to be between the negative ontology of Hegel and Lacan's desire as lack, and the positive ontologies of Spinoza and Nietzsche through which Deleuze re-thought desire as a positive creative force.

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I think that you are very correct.

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