Come on!! Flash forward 2 years and you guys would be harping on "The Falcons KNEW they had a 36 year old QB with a bad achilles! They knew he would be injury prone. HOW did they not make a succession plan?"
This! That's why I say 🖕 the media on this issue because you can see the hypocrisy by the criticism the falcons have recieved for something past Sucessful Organizations have done to remain competitive by having a Vet mentor a young successor at the QB position!
When a potential franchise QB falls in your lap, you don't let a 36 yr old Kirk cousins stop you from drafting him. C'mon Falcons fans this was a great move. R(W)ISE UP!!!
@@deelawton4 All of the NFL owners are Billionaires. Every team has to operate within the salary cap. Don't you understand this? When you draft a rookie QB when you have a guy on top tier QB money, you lose the benefit of the rookie deal. Logic 101.
Falcons management were stunned Penix Jr was still available at #8! They just played the Draft Board and couldn't let the pick slip down, he's NFL ready right now, and other teams with Top 10 picks were definitely going to pick Penix, if falcons didn't per sports team insiders. Penix Jr, will back-up Kirk Cousins with Honor in case Captain Kirk tweaks the injury by unseen circumstances. Rise Up
@@levisingleton4921 Falcons had four teams looking to trade up to get Penix haha. 6 QBs were selected in the top 12. They definitely were not the only ones.
🎯🎯🎯 Penix was a smart signing for sure, once everybody calms down and processes this, pretty sure most people will be on board. The problem is, a lot of negativity is is thrown due to not looking at our situation the last seven years. MR2 was not exactly his best and Mariota/Ridder. We don't want that, a quality qb is hard to get, we got two...allegedly. we can find all other positions. There is logic if you look at it from an Atlanta Falcons point of view. Kirk isn't exactly expensive per year$45mil) and and rookie qb's need to learn and get into NFL speed. Not every good qb busts into the league like CJ Stroud, I want Penix to study under Cousins and we can call it good in a couple of years.
@@robesonrogers2722 Not a Cousins fan at all. And I agree that Penix has better upside as a starting QB. And if ATL believes that too, than they should’ve just taken Penix at No. 8 overall. And not paid max contract value to a 36yo QB with 1 more playoff victory than the QB they planned to draft. It’s just bad decision making.
@@jaymac7349 a Super Bowl is worth more than the 100 million. They make billions upon billions. Every high value team (Cowboys, Pats, GB, SF, Pitt etc.) at one point in time increased its value tremendously because they won super bowls with an elite guy.
people getting upset bc they were wrong and shocked by the decision. lol. we see First round DL busts every year. draft the guys you want not who ppl say you need. simple
*BREAKING NEWS:* 1. Cousin Kirk, a Quarterback who pretends to work on Mondays, and doesnt work on Tuesdays and his silly fans, are upset that Michael Penix Jr. (the most talented college Quarterback since Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams & Deshaun Watson), a Quarterback who works from Sunday till Sunday got drafted. 😅🤣😂 2. Jeebus Forking Cripes... the Michael Penix Jr. whinging is getting on my nerves. The mistake wasnt drafting Michael Penix. The mistake was signing Kirk Cousins for $100M. Dude has earned more than Tom Brady, but only has 1 playoff win. 3. People are pretending as if Falcons drafting Laiatu Latu or Dallas Turner would have been the piece for Kirk Cousins to take the Falcons to the Superbowl. Kirk Cousins could have JJ Watt and Nick Bosa and he still wouldnt go to the Superbowl. 4. 14 starting QBs got injured in 2023. Therefore you might as well take a very good QB in the 1st round and a good Defensive End in the 2nd round and thats exactly what Atlanta did.
1. There’s no guarantee the Penix will ever be as good as Cousins was in Minnesota. I think so and hope so, but it’s not a guarantee. He has a long injury history and some defects in his throwing motion. 2. Drafting Penix is only a mistake BECAUSE they’re committed to Cousins for AT LEAST half of Penix’s rookie deal. If Penix is as good as we expect, they just wasted two years to take advantage of his cheap window to compete big. If you have a ready-made prospect like Penix with 6 fkn years of experience, then you don’t need to sit him 3. I think you’re underrating Kirk. He’s inarguably a top 3 QB in the NFC, and they play in the weakest division. You build a strong defense, and who besides the 49ers should they be afraid to take. 4. This is your most ridiculous take. You don’t plan for your newly acquired $100M QB to get injured LOL. And even if you did, the 8th overall pick is not where you draft a 2 year backup 😂
@@jamalstrickland1 What makes you think Cousins was good at Minnesota? He was completely rubbish. Cousin Kirk got paid the same amount as Tom Brady, but Cousins only had 1 playoff win in 12 years. *THATS AWWWWWWWFULL!!!!*
@@herrguru4264 I hate that you’re making me defend Cousins 💀 But playoff wins can be a misleading stat. He played good enough to win multiple playoff games lol. Also, he’s obv not Brady, but he’s OBJECTIVELY been a top 10 QB the last four seasons off numbers and eye test.
IDK why everyone is so confused by this. When 90% of your guaranteed money is in the first 2 years of your deal, the signs are clear that you just signed a 2 year deal essentially. Add in his age and recovering from injury and it'd be wild for them not to insure that investment. Not only did they get insurance for those first two years but they now have someone who can take over for Kirk in the future without having to spend multiple picks in a trade up or shell out another 9 figure deal to get a FA QB
Kirk was the best available Free Agent at any position. Just so happened to be QB. ATL wants to win. QB play has been horrible since 2016. Get the best QB available now and the get a stud, NFL ready QB to back him up. This isn’t rocket science. Penix had 3 teams trying to move up tot get him. Only time will tell, but man, as a life long Falcons fan, we need a good QB room.
@@positivepatrick2009 Exactly! We went from Mariota/Ridder to Kirk/Penix and idk how any Falcons fan can be mad at that, especially since QB was the single biggest reason they couldn't make the playoffs the past 2 years in a weak division. There's a chance our BACKUP can be the best QB in the division.
Signing said QB to a 4 year old/ $180M is not a stop gave move. Especially with how cheap Russell Wilson and Justin Fields went for. Yall will defend EVERYTHING
Best Available is a thing. Picking a player just so another team can’t is also a thing. I believe the falcons achieved both with this pick. Simple. Also reminds me of the Jets in 2017 when they passed up Pat Mahomes and went with position needs on defense because they just signed veteran Josh McCown. Do u think the Jets wouldn’t go back in time to 2017 and redo that draft? I’d rather take a chance on what my scouts think is on a generational talent than take a position need player that I don’t really like
Ohhh yeah! I forgot about that draft. Excellent point. I love the forward thinking the Atlanta front office and coaching staff has. Atlanta going to do big things.
This guy should listen to Dominique more. Terry Fontenont literally built a Falcons team that is ready to win the division-As a GM, he has shown that he knows what he is doing. Falcons have literally been a QB away for the past 4-5 seasons. They now have two.
Dude with the milky knees is a clown. Dude on the left makes sense. I assure you Font is not an idiot. Font just extended our Super Bowl window from 3 years to 15 years and Milky Knees wants to clown cause we paid Cousins a lot of $$$. That’s the cost of not planning ahead for a Matt Ryan replacement. If we use Milky Knees logic we’d be back in the same situation when Cousins hangs it up. We just avoided QB purgatory and pundits can’t see the forest for the trees. 🤦🏾
I don’t think ppl hate the Penix pick as much as they just hate signing Cousins to a $100M at 36, THEN drafting Penix. I think ppl put far too much stock into having a QB sit. If Penix is the guy, only game experience will get him where he really needs to be. Then, they’re talking about having him sit for 4/5 years 💀
Knowing a city like ATL. I’m sure when Mr Blank heard the story of bro freestyling before the Oregon Comeback he knew he needed him in the city. A black qb wearing a durag?? Bro he’s meant to play for ATL LMAO
Thank you Domonique for pointing out a BIG reason people should have more faith in Penix’s ability. He made IU….yes….INDIANA UNIVERSITY….a Top 10 FOOTBALL team in the NCAA. Clearly I’m biased but that bias makes me understand EVEN MORE how impressive that is! HOOSIERS BABY!!
Terry has drafted high end talent. ppl see the talent. they just fired Arthur smith who had one of the most vanilla playbooks and worst QBs in the league.
my only thing is your analysis of his first round draft history is not fair. Kyle Pitts had an amazing rookie season and who was throwing the ball, Matt Ryan. Since Matt left we haven’t had good QB play so if your QB sucks then of course these guys aren’t going to ball out. Now if Kirk is healthy and plays like he normally does and Pitts, London and Bijan struggle then thats a different scenario because you have a good QB but otherwise it’s not a fair assessment
Another thing, the Rams made it to the playoffs with a depleted defense with rookies, no Stafford. Do you guys really think Morris is doing what you assume? He ain't, he wants to win now and down the road. We're good with Cousins and we'll be good with Penix.
How do people not look at this situation like how they looked at Green Bay for the last 2 qbs they picked high even tho they had a HOF at qb already. First with drafting Rodgers when they had Bret and of course drafting love when they had Rodgers. It’s the same situation. Love was drafted with the 10th pick if my memory is correct. Everyone wants to win now but you have to look at reality. ATL even adding cousins isn’t a contender at all. They have talent and they can at least make the playoffs in that division but I love this pick for the future. Cousins can get hurt he has a history of it.
Cousins is no where near a HOF QB, that’s where the issue lies. With GB, the idea is Rodgers learns from Favre and then becomes the type of player Favre was and then some. Love learns from Rodgers and then becomes the type of player he was, etc. Penix learning from Cousins is funny because nobody wants their future franchise qb to turn out like Kirk Cousins😂. At the end of the day they shouldn’t have signed Kirk if they was taking Penix.
they didn’t like the Jordan Love pick, the Mahomes pick , or the Lamar Jackson pick. no one cares win the team is winning. the masses really don’t like atlanta but look at how much they talking bout us now
Why aren’t we making a bigger story out of Carolina trading away no.9, and the no. 1 overall pick for a qb who clearly wasn’t ready to play? Or SF trading away 3 firsts for a chance at a franchise qb (which btw bombed, since Lance is no longer even on their team)? In terms of value, a single no. 8 pick is nothing compared to what most other teams invest in the qb position. Keep that same energy with every organization is all I’m saying
I love your comment. True indeed, they wanted Penix to go to the raiders. Or Seahawks late in the 2nd round. They hate that Atlanta picked him 8th overall.
drafted best TE in draft drafted one of the top4 WRs drafted best RB in Draft drafted QB of Future. great job Terry. everyone acts like they know nothing about insurance. this white guy saying penix wasn’t gonna go in top10 shows that these regulars say anything. i’m glad Fox schooled him.
Not true, players like that always get more steam during the draft, he wasn’t making it past 13 to the raiders. Also if the falcons don’t get Kirk and teams know they want to draft penix then maybe teams offer a boatload of picks to the titans at 7 to move in front of Atlanta
Bijan Robinson will be in his prime for another 6 years or so. They knew they needed a young qb to pair with him but they didn't have time to wait for the qb to develop. Kirk will hand the team off to penix. Perfect plan.
They addressed the line in the next rounds. They KNOW just adding Cousins wouldnt make them instant Super Bowl contenders but will build the winning culture that CAN lead to a super bowl with or without Kirk. New management is playing chess not checkers.
I don’t mind that they signed Kirk Cousins because you get a lot for 100milly. We get a veteran in the huddle to lead the young players and he knows enough about the offense to be able to teach the young players and groom Penix. I’m good with Kirk and it will be a success if he leaves the team better than he found them. He can teach Penix how to be a pro while we win games. Most people liken this to the Green Bay situation, but to me it’s more like Patrick Mahomes and Alex Smith. Kurt can win but the brass thinks Penix is next level talent.
Mariota/Ridder QB room vs Cousins/Penix QB room? Not even close. Now we can build a team around the QB and actually win games that were lost by bad QB play.
Which QB are you building around? Cousins is looking over his shoulder at Penix. Penix wants to play now. Which one are you focusing on? THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
Cynthia Frelund said it better than anybody else: If Minnesota had resigned Cousins to the same deal he got from Atlanta and then drafted Penix, everybody would understand it. They might even be celebrated for securing the position. But Atlanta did the same thing, using the same logic, and it was almost universally panned. Seeing it from that perspective makes it clear that it's all much ado about making ado.
Nobody is questioning Penix as a QB. The issue is what they did 6 weeks ago and then turning around and picking him. No matter which way you twist it, each scenario leaves you scratching your head.
Falcons actually have implied odds of 4% for the Super Bowl. Kirk Cousins was already mid-to-good, BEFORE his injury. If he comes out and stinks it up, they’d be banking on next year having someone as talented as Penix (remember 2022). The more I think about, the more I continue to love the pick
The fact that this random guy who has clearly never played in the NFL or have any behind the scenes knowledge is challenging Dominique on whether they knew that Penix would be there at 8 is the height of hubris.
The only team that was going to pick Penix at 8 was THEM. Teams were trying to trade into their position to take him. It doesn't matter if they knew or not. Penix was not supposed to go there. You don't sign a QB for 100 million guaranteed and then draft another QB. It's ridiculous.
Drafts are the front end of a shiny new thing. Fans don't look at what the pick has achieved down the road. To see how bad the Falcons picks have been over the years, a deeper analysis of the contributions the picks made over the course of their career. Tak McKinley spent 6 seasons in the NFL (4 with ATL) but only started 27 games as a 1st round pick in 2017. I think a moderate dive into Fontenot's draft picks will provide clarity. For example, 2021 3rd round pick Jalen Mayfield, who started 16 games as a rookie, is out of the league due to an injury. On the other hand, 4th-round pick CB Darren Hall started 10 games over 2 seasons. He was waived in training camp leading into the 2023 season and failed to make another ball club.
I don't understand how anybody can have a strong opinion on something that has NEVER HAPPENED before!!! So where is the negative proof 🤔 for all this HATE 😒 #Calmdown #Stay #Neutral
This was a rational, informed objective discussion. Mostly. Thank you. I think where Fontenot failed was paying $180 million for a 36 year old with an Achilles injury in the first place. I would have traded for Minshew or someone like him - then drafted Penix. Then you have plenty of cap to trade for FA’s on defense. But, the Falcons want to win now and in the future and the whole management team has been shell-shocked at QB in the past. At least three other teams wanted to trade up to take Penix, but ATL said no. Penix was the highest impact player on the board at 8. They took him according to Fontenot’s strategy - impact over need, if available. They may have put a screw in the locker room chemistry. But, maybe the players can work it out. Only time will tell.
Difference is if teams know Atlanta wants penix at 8 maybe teams like the raiders or Seattle try to trade in front of them. Also the going rate for a top 12 qb in today’s market is 50 mil a year. That’s what Kirk is getting for 2 years, if they don’t offer it to him then someone else will. And they probably fell in love with penix after meeting with him and that was after they signed cousins
@@PGO_Gaming 6 or 7 and he is the latest to get 50 and he is less than thr 6 before him. This years it will be more and the next great QB will be close to 60.did you have to wait a long time 😊 o yea the numbers are fake. He gets he gets like 65 with signing bonus this year and 25 next year and 5 that next year. My team is moving on and I hope you do too. Rise up
Atlanta fans defending this move. You either roll with the most expensive best available QB on the free agent market and draft the best defensive player OR you draft the QB at #8 and you spend the money on multiple free agents. Cousins is playing 3 years at a minimum barring injury. If he doesn't then Atlanta will be stuck with a $35 million DEAD CAP hit in year 3 (2026), AND a $12.5 million DEAD CAP hit in year 4 (2027) Freaking dummies
The falcons want to have it both ways but they aren’t good enough…they married Kurt but went out to the club flirting, not wearing their wedding ring and telling others I’m not married but my wife is.
Going from 4 to 6 percent is increasing your odds by 50%. Even 4 to 5 is a 25% increase. But yeah, no player was going to increase it my that much, it would be fractions of percent.
No one needs anyone to explain why a team made a pick. The Falcons GM already explained it & no one is gonna convince me, a 35 year Falcons Fan that using a 1st Round Pick on a QB & Signing a proven starter to a huge contract in the same offseason is a good move. Now the funny thing here is all the people claiming it's a brilliant pick have 5-6 Years to make such a claim because we won't even know if Penix is a hit at QB in the NFL until 5-6 years from now. So it's real convenient to get your high horse now when the verdict is so far off. It would be better to just not even talk about Penix because he wont even be playing unless Terry Fontenots other move to get Cousins turns bad & if that happens then that's another strike against the leadership. People talking like you can package Penix up for 3-4 years & keep him from aging & roll him out at 24 & act like you just drafted him are delusional. In the NFL just like in Life you only have so much Capital & you have to use it wisely & this was a terrible allocation of Capital by the Falcons. Falcons would have been better off drafting a NEED to WIN NOW.
Penix will wonder if he is back at Indiana if Cousins is sat down because of injury or poor play. Desmond Ridder was sacked over 30 times despite not starting the full season. Off top, Jake Matthews was never going to be confused with a HOF LT despite the number of zeroes on his paycheck. His play has declined over the years and the dirty birds have no one waiting in the wings to replace him. They may be back in the market for a QB by November.
If anything.. they are lighting an absolute fire under Kirk Cousins while simultaneously relaying to Michael Penix that "this is what it looks like" to play with your hair on fire. #iknowmorethanyou 😂
@@unNORMALized420 so why pay him 150M n u could’ve signed defensive players in free agency or got a better QB at a cheaper price n still got ur rookie QB😂
@@WizWiz-qk3bc because Mariota, Ridder, and Heineke were our last 3 QBs lol. So of course we overpaid for the best FA QB on the market it was the going rate. Then the draft rolls around and a QB we really like who is looked at as borderline generational (in a lot of people's eyes). Our biggest hole on this roster last year was the QB hands down. Well that QB room looks 100% better. We're not trying to win draft boards, we're trying to win games. This pick makes a lot of sense and I can't believe Falcons fans are hating on it.
@@unNORMALized420 Bro I’m picking Heineke over cousins any day of the week..Justin fields was still on market when yall gave Kirk that money but not only that u got Kirk coming off a Achilles injury and u draft a QB who had 2 Achilles injuries in college your Qb room just got worse💀
Kyle Pitts will be working with his 6th qb by the time Penix is the starter. He was working with a washed Matt Ryan, Mariota, Ridder, Heinicke and now Cousins. Falcons have always had a qb problem. Same with Drake London minus the Matt Ryan part since he was traded to the Colts before they drafted London. The receivers have been working with terrible QBs so no we haven’t seen their full potential.
Dominque sounds absolutely illogical in this argument 🤣everyone knew penix would be there. Second who should the raiders have taken?? They covered the line later on and I’d say the secondary is shored up. Now we need a QB but everyone was gone by the time the 13th pick rolled around and idk if trading up for anybody but Williams or Daniels was worth it
All these people are going to look really foolish for doubting that pick. The falcons are going to complete the next couple years and Penix is gonna take over afterwards.
Because cousins just started the $100 million contract. Not last yr of it. It's like guy gets married and next week at lunch he introduced you to his new Girlfriend 😮. You can't help to blurt out ..what!?!
I don’t understand why people question this pick. Kurt Cousins? 😂 Kurt Cousins? Off an injury Kurt Cousins? 😂 So what they gave him $100 Million. They paid him for all he has done for the NFL and , and the Falcons can write that $180 Million off. Kurt Cousins? 😂 How many Super Bowls have Kurt Cousins won? 😂 This was the best pick in the draft! Every team needs a good backup quarterback! Why people question this pick makes no sense. We will see in two seasons if it was a good or bad pick. See y’all in 2026
The fact you said see y'all in 2026 tells you all you need to know about how bad this pick was considering their plan is to pay Kurt cousins the same amount as Patrick Mahomes😂😂😂😂
This is the dumbest perspective I have heard. 1 defensive player does not automatically improve your chances of getting to the Super Bowl, much less winning. Over a top 3 QB. That absurd. Having a contingency for an aging QB and solidifying the QB position for the foreseeable future is a smart move. Whoever can’t understand that is just lost. All these podcast and media people are mad because it’s the Falcons who drafted this man.
How you gon crap on the falcons weapons when they had Smith at coach and Desmond Ridder who threw more Picks then TDs as your quarterback. How you gon grade the weapons? kyle broke the falcons record for a TE his first year with Matt Ryan who was older what you think he gon do with a good kirk cousins and a guy who could probably develop to be that guy. If I'm a falcons fan I would be happy they should have in theory consistent Quarterback play for the next 10 years at least.
Your partner need to start doing some research bro got that laptop for a reason, how did pitts have half a good season??? Most REC yds by a rookie TE in nfl history How has London not panned out??? QB has been mariota, ridder, and Heineke and still averaging around 1,000 yds for those 2 seasons. Stop just saying what you see in articles n know football. This was a clown take in general stop riding the media wave
There's no explanation for stupidity and that's all it is. Penix is a good player, but this whole situation is completely trash and illogical. There's no explanation that works, zilch just stop trying
Pitts and London with competent QB play is going to give you better results. Pitts had a great season with MR2 under center. It's hard to evaluate these pieces when your delivery system in Desmond Ridder. I love the pick. Kirk was never going to win you a super bowl, anyone who thinks we should go all in on trying to make that happen either forgot who Kirk is or is just lying to themselves.
This guy is stuck on things other than talent or proven logic . His logic is based on computer searches and the history of the white quarterback and the NFL . Things and time are proving the false belief that quarterback position is made for white boys only ! Doug Williams , changed that , because young boys that wanted to play quarterback . Could finally believe . Some still and always will believe that a white boy can win in the NFL. Eventhough they see all of the white boys that has been drafted over the last 6 or 7 years are still carrying a clipboard on gamedays . While guys like Lamar , C j stroud , Patrick Mc Holmes and on and on ! Are tearing up the league. If all things were equal , there would be more . I've watched a lot of these podcasts and a lot of these so-called experts . What bothers me the most is the effort being used to steal Michael's shine by constantly inserting kirk cousins and his 100 million dollars. Into every conversation about Penix When there's not a single one of them that's upset with a white guy being given a 100 mil ! People are upset that a white boy didn't get drafted 8th and would make more than Penix . Especially since three black quarterbacks were drafted ahead or Nix and Mcarthy .
