Exploring Realistic Speed of Sound in Star Citizen 

My first big game I developed was okay. But once our sound guy implemented music and dialog I was amazed at how good it became. Truly an undervalued group.

Sound is great but this is sci fi and it will very complicated to implemented. And more of that realism is nice but with SC it's more like coherent for the universe of game.

in a game dev perspectve ... Wrong ... i understand but this is basicly affectig combat and a lot of thing in the game a good equillibrium have to be found and imagine having no sounds around space station ... etc a lot of thinking and thing have to be considere to be implement is not only because it would be realistic that its should be in the game (im takling for only this game here)

@@twilink5810 exactly

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When hearing PvP somewhere near an outpost it sure was odd to not see the ships. I thought they would be closer than they were.

The atmospheric flight model isn't really all that bad, it is just that it is thruster based rather than control plane based, which makes it weird. For instance, a rudder gets wind-shadowed behind the tail fin when the sideways angle of attack becomes extreme enough, making the control plane lose effect. A thruster doesn't care about wind-shadow, so it continues to yaw the ship further causing very weird effects. So much of the weirdness of atmospheric flight is realistic, though surprising. In fact, the simulation is so good that it is revealing some issues with controlling a ship in atmo using thrusters.

I believe they've recently showed us about making these type of changes 👍

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You wouldn't lose all sound. In fact, you would hardly lose any sound at all. Most sound is from your own ship: your thrusters, your breathing, ship creaking, your own guns firing, your ship getting hit, etc. I love fly-by sounds in atmo, but in space they just make me cringe.

@@sc_cintara cringe lol So star wars is fucking cringe then they do drop bomb from space while statoonary lol ahahahahahahah

@@sc_cintara A lot of those sounds, particularly that of you own guns firing, are enhanced by the existing sound simulation system. Especially on larger ships where the weapons aren't even near the cockpit/bridge and your thrusters are far behind you.

@@Hackanhacker Yes. The world has moved on. I think Star Wars is more Fantasy than it is SciFi. And, yes, things like dropping a bomb from space while stationary is plain silly! For the bomb to drop you need gravity, but if you have gravity, you have to be in orbit! Or is gravity selective so that it only pulls on the bomb, but not the ship?

I'd also love to hear the pitch of the sound changing if a ship flies by slower than its sound. The doppler effect could create more immersion too.

War Thunder has a small, small map....Star Citizen will end up having more than 100 star systems with tons of planetary bodies in most of them....if you don't see the difference in scale then I don't know what to tell you, lol. The thing is as well is that sound can be affected by atmospheric density, so it would require a LOT of work as they'd require many different variations

@@tevarinvagabond1192 well, warthunder, in their latest engine update they made it able to get colours, light refractions and other atmospheric data in their engine to show properly.. so if they input the data for Mars atmosphere, it looked like Mars. And I'm talking about scientific data, not having a designer make it just look like Mars.. That's what I expect CIG to do as well, have a formula that calculates the proper speed of sound and pitch for each atmosphere.. they already have the pressure and atmospheric composition already there on the planets..

@@tevarinvagabond1192 war thunder CHOOSES to have small maps for gameplay reasons for player engagement. On larger maps, players are so scattered that the speed of sound doesn’t affect gameplay at all, the sound delay is atmospheric as all engagements are within 1km for guns (little to no sound delay) and 4km for missiles (too far to hear any sound). Some people don’t like the speed of sound simply because they aren’t used to it, they thought it was a bug when it was first implemented.

@@_Ker That's right. Although on larger more open ground maps, you can also get a feel for the speed of sound if/when a large bomb lands some km away from you.

Well, yes and no. It would be great to have a switch. Can't be that hard to just mute several of the audio channels. There is a point to be made that for positional awareness, which is closely related to hearing, your ship would generate this soundscape for you to better be able to use your senses

Yeah during PvP I wouldn't really like having the sound delay because I use that to gauge distance of the fighter; immediate shield impact + sound makes it easy to know where you're being hit from or from which direction multiple targets are firing. You sometimes need split-second reaction times to deal with the threat, and having any sort of sensory feedback delay could really disrupt the PvP/PvE.

@@billywashere6965 Instead of relaying that with sound, they should do it like how other games does it, give some sort of flash indicator at the side of the screen. So basically like sensors. Show indication of which side the ships shields are getting hit at etc. Totally possible to showcase something like that in a helmet, so it also makes sense. If people think realistic sound is too much for pvp, might as well remove projectile and missile travel time too, just make them reach the target instantly, it would help make PVP easier, so why not yea? You see how bad it actually would be if such realistic features were to not exist? Now, you are used to playing with such realistic features that you probably wouldn't want it the other way even if it would help you in PVP right? You will get used to having realistic sounds too, just as you are used to projecticles not being an instant hit the moment you fire them, and it will be more fun and immersive that way...

@@N0xiety They already have indicators when you're getting hit, but also when ships are shooting and you can hear and see the fire when they miss, it gives you an idea as to what position they've taken up when they're out of sight. Once again, it gives you immediate feedback on how to adjust your movements and from which direction. There is no delay in reactions based on delayed sensory feedback. Just like how they muffle they sound in space without completely removing it, because it's realistic to a degree, but without taking away the gamification aspects. Missle/ballistics/energy travel is necessary because it once again feeds into the meta; different weapons have different travel velocities. Ensuring the weapons aren't hitscans means you have a variety in what weapons to use, why and for different purposes; once again, there's a gameplay connection to the visual effect. There isn't really a benefit to creating audio dissonance for players, especially when combat is involved. You're trying to make 1,000 micro adjustments based on a number of factors, having the sound delay adds confusion to that. Turning visual cues into hitscans wouldn't help me in PVP at all, and having realistic travel times helps gauge when and how to react to certain encounters (especially missiles (viz., when to dodge vs when to pop a flare)). Delayed sound isn't something you get used to because you're already going to be getting hit before you ever hear the shot, so it's always going to put you at a disadvantage every single time.

That's a bit of a non issue mate, no air no boom. You can go as fast as you want in space the only noise you're making is your ship systems, your engines and any debris you hit. In game we hear all that for gameplay reasons but irl you wouldn't. As things stand even if they implemented sonic booms you wouldn't have them in space or on planets/moons with no atmosphere. (Edit: Spaceports not space stations yeah my mistake. Good point speed limits around inhabited areas just sound like a good idea anyways)

CIG said that there is a module (not yet implemented) which actually translates that vibration etc in to sound, apparently this module will be physicalized (removable) and destructible.

Like a component on a ship?

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