Exposing the Flat Earth Sales Pitch 

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a flat earth app needing a globe formula to work is crazy. as they say, no flat earth debunker quite like a flat earther

"NASA was founded by Ron Hubbard, Walt Disney, and Aleister Crowley". Honestly, I’m surprised he didn’t throw in Dr. Doom for good measure.

7:20 Im a web developer. You never store passwords. Not even encrypted. What you store is hashed password. You use an algorithm that basically generates a unique key based on the password that you can re-generate to match against in to a re-entered password. That is a base level thing. Even then I would recommend doing something called "Salt and pepper" the password. You mix the password with a global key and a user specific key so that even A) the password doesn't match a hash of another service but B) so that even if you have two users with the same password their stored hash key are not the same. Doing less than this means that you are a complete amateur and should not be releasing services to the public.

Users on his app showing up in the south pole is fucking hilarious.

FE Dave said "If your stupid enough to use the same password." Did he forget that 600k people were stupid enough to buy his app? 100% of flerfs are stupid enough to use the same password for everything.

"a fraction of %1 of people reuse the same password"? The vast majority of people reuse the same password everywhere.

"How did they make a globe when no one had seen it?" Probably the same way they dug a tunnel from France to England and vice versa simultaneously yet managed to meet in the middle - maths!

I love how dave Weiss is a proponent for doing your own research, but then shows a meme of walt Disney and dead people founding NASA

It's extremely easy to decompile apps. The fact the users/passwords are saved as plain text on a website is actually frightening! No hashes no private IP locked access no nothing 🤦

Calling that hacking reminds me of when Josh Renaud (journalist for St. Louis Post-Dispatch) was almost charged with hacking for viewing HTML and seeing that a website leaked SSNs right in the HTML. Dude just hit F12.

one thing ya left out with the underwater iss part. The refraction from the helmets makes the astronauts heads look tiny underwater but we don't see that when they are in space.

Dave isn't a flat earther. He knows what he's doing. He's made a killing from being a 'flat earther'.

His app uses a globe map projection in order to work... hilarious 😂

I love how he keeps calling the UN a "world controlling organization". Anyone familiar with real geopolitics knows the UN is woefully underpowered. Do they think the UN wants North Korea and Afghanistan doing the shit they're doing?

I went to Antarctica about 15 years ago. I worked in the Kitchen at McMurdo Station. I was there for a year. Amazing place and I can confirm there is indeed sunlight for 24 hours.

Dirth is insufferable.

FEDave went with the lowest bidder, and it shows.

The argument about the Universal Pictures logo is also goofy because they didn't start using a globe in 1927, but rather 1923, and what he shows is actually an updated logo. Tell me you didn't research it without telling me you didn't research it...

I recently saw a clip from the OG Transformers cartoon where Megatron catches Starscream in a scheme, and tells him “You are either lying, or you’re stupid!” Which I feel is the perfect response to most flat earth topics.

he really called MCToon an "anti-flat earth troll" despite him rarely raising his voice above talking level and showing nothing but proof in every episode why the earth isn't flat.

I'm a Platform Engineering Consultant, there's no excuse to have all this data unencrypted it's not a hard thing to do.

Jim Breuer is a comedian in the same way that Flat Earth Dave is an honest man.

How can they have used a globe as thier logo in the 1920s, when we didnt go to space until the 1960s? Hi, this is Atlas from the 2nd century. You might have heard of me.

Wait can we find flat earth Dave’s location?

Weiss is just a grifter, he is so easy to debunk, he really is a moron.

As one of the people currently researching DIRT's app... yeah... I can tell you it's still definitely not secure.

Flat Earth explanations all seem to work when you look at just one variable. The mechanics of a system of Earth, moon, sun, planets, stars, gravity, optics, and so much more, requires hundreds of variables. Looking at just one variable isolated from all those mechanics makes it easy to describe that variable in many different ways: the earth might be a globe, flat, or a decahedron, it might be spinning or not, it might be moving or not, etc. Looking at one variable at a time makes almost anything possible. Where Flat Earth fails is when you try to put all their single-variable explanations into a model where ALL of them work together, it's just impossible. They can't even get SOME of them together and are not even close to getting ALL of them together. That's why guys like Flat Earth Dave can talk about the perspective elevation of the sun seeming to get closer to the horizon at sunset but never ever try to include the unchanging size of the sun at the same time - he can't even get just TWO variables to work together in this failed explanation.

The oldest preserved globe is Martin Behaim's "Erdapfel" (earth apple) exhibited in Nuremberg, Germany. It is from from 1493, 1 year after Columbus sailed to America, and so America is missing on this globe.

A one-hour video about debunking Flat Earth? LET'S GOOOO!!!!!

The stars don't move? Perhaps he should start buying old editions of Nortons' Star Atlas and compare the charts over time. Then he will know they DO move in relationship to each other.

My favourite part about Dave's app is that the sunrise/sunset icon shows the sun hidden bottom first behind a curved horizon. Whoops.

Dirth claiming his site was hacked is like accusing someone of going to the trouble of picking the lock on the door to the house, yet all they did was mention ”you do realise you forgot to fit a door to the door frames? Anyone can just walk in!”

I detest DITRH. I'm sick of his grifting, his bs and his lies. I am very much going to enjoy his downfall.

Whenever flerfs start talking about the inverse square law I always ask them what I can input into an inverse square equation that would output zero. I have yet to get an answer...

Its never fun to address Dirth. Even if you succeeded in convincing him, he would just lie.

When you were talking about the speed and aerodynamics of the shuttle i was thinking "in kerbal space program you always wait until you're past most of the atmosphere before reaching your top speed, the speed before then is to get past the atmosphere" Nice to know he could just play a video game to learn more

"im a scammer" -flat earth dave

"...then how does he have a flat earth map if apparently nobody's been high enough to see the whole flat earth?" WHAT A TAKEDOWN! Bravo!

If the light atop the moon is "from the firmament," doesn’t that disprove all the flat earthers who say "we don't even know what the moon is made of, it's probably a projection!" Didn't know projected images could reflect other light sources.

In a town where the sun sets and rises anew, Lived a scammer named DIRTH telling stories untrue. With a grin and a scheme, he would spew his tall tales, Claiming the round earth was just glober fails. He'd stand on a street corner, face full of cheer, "It's flat as a pancake! Take a gander, my dear! No curves in the ocean, no roundness to find, Come join me in truth! Leave the globe earth behind!" But the folks rolled their eyes and just walked right on by, While DIRTH shook in frustration 'neath the wide open sky. For though he believed no one's smarter than DIRTH, He'd never convince them of flat pizza earth.

Jim Brewer is so easily bamboozled. It is embarrassing Jim. Pathetic actually.

@ 38:27 300MPH crosswinds says DITRH. 300MPH. This clown's lack of a grasp on reality is astounding.

The radio signal part is hilarious, because it shows they can't even bother with enough research to check TWO videos, to try and debunk them with the correct info...two things...its no wonder they don't understand anything else if they aren't even willing to check 2 videos and make sure they talk about the correct one.

"Nobody leaves flat earth," because as soon as someone tries all of you start saying that they're grifters or that they were never really a flat-earther in the first place. You immediately "other" the people that do step away.

Is anyone surprised the flerf app is not secure?

Id pay $3 to a private meeting with the Zodiac killer before i paid $3 for a DIRTH app

If a telescope can magnify the sun at sunset, there should be no problem seeing the sun all night long just by magnifying it with a powerful telescope. We actually have telescopes that focus exclusively at the sun (only during day mind you). So if the sun is not really setting but just getting farther away then why can't these solar observatories work around the clock, day and night? Same goes for ships at sea.

I love his defence that it only leaked what they were already sharing with other users of the app. Completely side stepping the fact that the data is available to the entire world. Dick Is Trying Really Hard to pretend it’s no big deal.

I’m so happy to live on a round globe surrounded by space, stars and planets. What a boring place it would be with no space, a goldfish bowl over us and no space travel.

a small correction on the shuttle. the main engines stop firing when the main tank is dropped. at that point the shuttle is still at a suborbital path. the OMS system fires up to finish the last accelleration into a a stable orbit (and is also used for other changes to the orbit), which is the two smaller rocket engines you can see in the rear on the shuttle.

Are there really that many simple spelling errors in his code? ALTIDUTE and latiude!!! That is simply incredible.

I don't get why flat earthers are claiming the Falcon (and now Starship) landings are fake. They could just say these rockets never went beyond the firmament, and came back. Sometimes I think they get their jollys by convincing people of absolutely stupid things.

We can disregard him forever because he's not coming to Antarctica. We know he's a grifter.

1hr long... STRAP IN BHOYS

I watched the Breuer interview. One thing you left out was when he was describing the shuttle as a balloon. Derp Dave shows a quick looped video showing the shuttle "swaying" implying it is the wind doing it. In fact, the shuttle stack was designed to flex forward almost 6 feet after the SSMEs are ignited and then the SRBs would fire once the shuttle returned to vertical after the "twang." Dave's example is a looped video or gif before the SRBs are lit. You can see the steam from the sound suppression system dampening the exhaust plume from the SSMEs.

Watching Jim Breuer try to put two thoughts together is top tier comedy.

I loved when FE Dave claimed that when the rockets land on the drone ships they cut away then cut to it sitting on the ship, while uncut video in the background shows a rocket landing on a drone ship.

I think this is you’re best video takedown yet. I usually don’t like longer videos, but you had me hooked. You should have many, many more subscribers.

Even if Parsons and Hubbard both for a while were followers of Crowley, they weren't particularly best friends which had something to do with Hubbard stealing Parsons's girlfriend Sara and both of them stealing Parsons's savings.

So the Sun sets because the camera (our eyes) is below the Horizon.... wait, that would put me below ground level. And wait a little more, from the top of a 70 story building, the Sun still sets. How is the top of that 70 story building below ground level?

23:07 In the bee hive analogy, all the bees would be orbiting the hive at roughly the same speed and direction, they would be traveling at about 1 foot per day, and the average distance between them would be about 500 miles.

I love how the lack of knowledge towards photography and cameras is what continues to disprove and hinder their hypothesis. Every time

10:07 "they're eating their dogs" I never knew DIRTH and Trump were separated at birth...

It never fails to amaze me that people like Flat Earth Dave like to claim “X thing is not compatible with what people say is true about a globe Earth” and miss that a flat Earth is completely incompatible with observations. You’d think that would be cause to stop and reflect on whether they’ve misunderstood something, but no. 🤷‍♂️

So the atmosphere is so thick we can't see more than 2500 mi? So how far away is the moon sun and stars? 😂😂😂😂😂

I am genuinely disappointed in folks like Jim Bruer, Rosanne Barr, Joe Rogan and any other big names buying into Flat Earth Dave’s snake oil.

How much money has FED made with his app? I bet it's half a mil? He has no financial justification to do the trip that could possibly devastate his entire means of income.

He's not a flat earthers, he's a grifter. Fooling his stupid, gullible followers

“It’s not pointy at the top.” -Flat Earth Dave. Cinema come to life hahahahaha

33:40 The physics involved for rockets that are still in high atmospheric pressures is insane. When they approach max q, rockets throttle back until the air gets thinner because of the stress that's encountered.

The fact he even stores the passwords in clear text (or in a decodable format) is a big NO NO in programming. Passwords should be stored hashed (not encrypted). And there is no reason to even expose that through his api.

Flat Earthers remind me of when I was 8 years old and I thought by tying a balloon to a letter to Santa Claus and letting it float, it would reach the North Pole

Ah of course the best strategy when a critical flaw is found in your program, blame EVERYBODY ELSE for it!!!

Here in upside down NZ we all wear Velcro soles on our shoes to stay grounded 😂😂

Who stores passwords in plain text? lol You're supposed to salt and hash them.

Obliquid always finds its level

It's always been so telling to me that since I was a teenager with an Apple Macintosh, I have been able to run a program that shows me what the sky will look like at my location for any day and date for centuries in either direction. Yet no flat Earth model can simulate their motions and match anything I see outside.

At one light hour away the Sun would be about 4 arc-minutes across (and therefore still resolvable as a disc by the naked eye), and still be about 200,000,000 times brighter than the brightest star. 20:50

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"I only use my channel to scam my followers." ~Flat Earth Dirth

There are huge fines if you dont report a leak to the correct instances and report and if you dont take actions to remedy the issue.

Find it hilarious that he talks about "provable and repeatable experiments" and ignore that a round Earth has been proven with repeatable experiments for thousands of years

52:58 the sun would also appear to travel through the sky more and more slowly as it travelled away from you. It doesn’t. Surprise surprise

My biggest fear is that the final experiment won’t end the flat earth debate, flat earthers will just jump onto the Le Bon earth model a non spinning globe. Dave have you heard of John Le Bon?

I particularly like the scaling of Earth, Solar System and Alpha Centauri. A great way to bring the distances into perspective. My question Dave, is what are your considerations for the equipment you're looking at taking to Antartica?

"9 out of 10 times the camera cuts out just before it lands, and then it shows it landed." he says just before the video behind him shows uninterrupted landing footage. You can't make this stuff up. Anyways, I love that you used Everyday Astronaut's stream footage of the Starship flight test!

We had globes for like 500+ years before the 60's lol how hard is it to take a picture of one 😂

Well… "Trust me, I sell used cards", "trust me, I sell hope in a self-claimed god", "trust me I'm a financial"… The common part: selling something. Being honest never was a part of it.

Frankly, I can't think of a better person from the globe side to go on TFE. I really appreciate your approach to Flat Earth, as you are well thought out and generally emotionally neutral.

Definitely, they cannot think in 3D. For your information, for those you don't know about it, a rainbow usually form a full circle, however, you can only see the circle when you are above, e.g., in a plane. I never witnessed one myself from a plane or from the top of a mountain, but I did in a warehouse (without the firmament) while we were running an experiment. I was on a hydraulic lift to see it.

So, there was a data leak, but it is the user's fault that it happened as you used it and not the developer/keeper of the data. It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for 'em. Not too sure data integrity works that way.

Globe math is also used to calculate sunrise and sunset times ib the app

Learnt how to code python using the replit site. One of the lessons after learning how to build what is essentially a fileafax is hashing and salting passwords and other important information.

If Crowley and Parsons helped found NASA after they were dead, then maybe we should all be believing the occult?

To this day how flat earthers still exist, completely escapes me.

With all the civilian accessible space flight coming in the future these grifters know the gravy train is running out of fuel. They need to scam as much money out of the masses as possible in the next few years before they are out of a job.

the dude yelling KNOWS it is round. You know he knows because he turned down the trip to antarctica that would prove to him its round. BUT he can not give up the grift.

The sun would not back light a mountain on a flat earth where the sun didn't set. The mountain has to be between sun and viewer. Only workbench globe.

Wait, he goes by Flat Earth Dave? F.E.D.? The feds are getting less subtle with their honeypots