Committed to Exposing Mormon Cult Propaganda ft. "True Mormon Quotes" 

I'm from germany, and what our history and political education teacher did was give us quotes without context and write down if we agreed or not (just yes and no), and then showed us how many of us agreed with at least some quote directly taken from Hitler, to show us that on one hand, each of us would have been at least somewhat susceptible to these teachings aswell, but also to show how important context is and how much nuance has to go into political debates!

When I was a member, I was primarily attracted to women but was totally prepared to give that up. It was a sacrifice. I was okay with just finding a man who I could be good friends with, to marry and raise a family, and have my own personal relationship with God. After learning more and more, and that I was basically being given away like property, wasn't worthy to be in the presence of God, had to go through the man for everything, it was too much. Like I already gave up SOOOO MUCH and now I don't even get the spoils? Wtf

"It was a spiritual wasteland for me" - That is the perfect way to describe how I used to feel when I went to church. It felt empty to me.

The "revelation in 1978 did NOT come from God it came from the IRS😂🤣😂

"When you think you already know the truth,you're no longer looking for it." Damn, bro, that's going on my quotes file!

Thank God Mormonism Isn't True ! Real Freedom awaits those who Dare to critically Question !

Hi. So I am/was a convert to the Church of JC & lds. My husband was Mormon and when I met him he had been not been active for some time. I met him at a church I was attending, so I can only surmise that he too was looking for a better way to find God. But once we got married, he started going back to church (unknown to me) and sent out fleets of Missionary's on me. I was familiar with Mormon Missionaries, I had a few friends who were Mormon, but they didn't always seem to be devout. But a lot of Missionaries came to my house, taught their lessons, and challenged me to join. The one question or statement was "Do you believe, that Families are forever? That they will all join one another in heaven, with God. So me, being from a broken home, trauma and all of that, I thought that's an original thought, I must investigate it. I wanna live forever with my hubby and family together. So I did all the things. My husband and I were endowed and sealed forever. We did all the church things, had callings, Temple things, everything a good Mormon should do. And it was fun and exciting to me as a convert . But then my husband died, and this is where that statement of Families forever had to live up to its meaning. What I experienced after my husband died, was almost like a forced isolation. I was a young widow, and poor thing she had no kids, no inlaws, etc. I was give callings like the Nursery or Primary; Relief Society; etc. But most of all I felt invisible, and I didn't feel at that time, the church could meet any need I had. And they didn't. But like your guest, I did hang in there, but I was unfulfilled in many ways. Covid, and the shut down of wards and such, allowed me to really think about my choices in that church. So I decided not to return after the covid restrictions were lifted. I did some zoom church. But for me, and its deeply personal, I decided to leave. That God loves me and would respect my choices.

The church leader’s answer for people traumatized from church doctrine...is to prescribe more doctrine. They are definitely unqualified!

Sexual interviews seem to me to be just a type of sleazy gratification for a group of men who are not allowed to otherwise engage in pornography, but who want to appear ‘clean’ and ‘pure’. I can’t understand how this practice isn’t cracked down on by legal circles as a form of child abuse when young people are involved.

They excommunicated me because my husband cheated and I was not willing to work through it. He got another women pregnant. They compared me to a rusty tool box for having tattoos. I also was not a through and through member.

Better dead than violated, eh? I'd like to see any of those men actually make that decision (let alone be faced with it in a traumatic situation where you can't think straight or control your body). I'll even buy the gun and bullets for them to make sure they really understand the gravity of their options.

Look up the story of a teenage boy by the name of Kip Eliason. It was a story of a teenager that took his own life because he was made to feel guilty about self pleasuring himself. It's very messed up. The father sued the Mormon church for 28 mil because of their teachings on masterbation. The church finally slowed their roll on all of that rhetoric after Kip Eliason death.

When I was on my mission, around 2004-2006, we were actually forbidden to read Miracle of Forgiveness because many mission presidents at the time saw it to be slightly subversive and not helping keep missionaries minds on the task, lol, can you believe that!? Lol

Incredible and quality conversation. You both really have a gift for communicating/articulating. All the best 🙏🏼 Cheers.

This was excellent. I'm a never-Mo living in Utah also ex-catholic. You two were just brilliant in this discussion. Every church has its shit, but LDS is really full of it. There were cult-like features in the Cath church, but the Mo church really checks the boxes in the BITE model. I love the freedom of not being controlled and shamed by religion.

I have just found your channel and have been binge watching. You are an inspiration ❤

Great episode!!! My oldest brother gave me “The Miracle of Forgiveness“ when I was 18. There’s so much I could say about how horribly that book affected me. The stupid temple vows kept me in an abusive marriage for 16 years. When I went through the temple, women promised to OBEY their husbands & if you had an abusive priesthood holding husband like I did, you were SCREWED!!! I have PTSD from being married to him still. (He - my ex - was even a counselor in the Bishopric in one ward & when I told the Stake President he wasn’t worthy he replied “All the wives say that”.) Thank you for putting out this content, I didn’t have access to anything like this when I left the church. People who are questioning have a lot more online resources now which is great!

Everyone talks about the fight or flight response, but not enough about the FREEZE/FAWN response. That's probably why an uneducated troglodyte would say such a thing. It was cool to hear you bring up the freeze/fawn response. I only heard about it in therapy.

Cults to Consciousness, you should speak with those of the First Nation/Indigenous People when it comes to Mormonism. I mean when I was in college, I learned horrible things that happened, because of the LDS church[i.e Mountain Meadows Massacre, Relocation; etc]. I was shocked and angered how they treated them. Idk about currentlt though, but that wpuld be another thing to discuss with someone of these wonderful cultures.

Going to school in central idaho "the mormon kids," went to a class that no one else went to and it was a bit mysterious but no one really talked about it. I didn't understand why they had their own class. One of my friends went to it and she didn't tell me anything about it but she always seemed to have a chip on her shoulder and came off like she was better than others. It irritated me sometimes but now I just hope that she feels great about herself as I didn't realize how demanding this religon was and she was probably trying to live up to high expectations.

I rememnber being told we dont say the Lords prayer like most other christians because it was ritualistic and therefor we shouldnt use it. except i blessed the sacrament hundreds of times with the same prayer that had to be perfect. crazy what we can be convinced of rediculous things. lol

As a young girl, I was put into Jobs Daughters as my grandfather was a Master Mason. It was very ritualistic & the “cross” pattern we made with our standing positions was upside down from the alter, you had to back out of the building so you don’t “turn your back on the alter. You can’t speak of anything you learn. It goes on & on. Super sketchy

We don’t sacrifice goats 🐐 in the temple or anything crazy like that… Pre 1990 I pretended to slit my throat and stomach…. We were also touched in areas that are generally not touched by strangers. Not crazy???

There are women covered head to toe[Burkas] or other religions that do the same, who are raped, looked at as objects; etc., just as there are females, who don't cover head to toe and have the same treatment by males. It has NOTHING TO DO with how one dressess, but what you think about another person. Btw imo, I hate how females are blamed for another's thoughts, I am a male so I am better than you, so obey; etc.

As a post Mormon I think one of the most aggravating things for me about the 2015 gay marriage policy and the church’s continued approach to all things LGBTQIA+ is the Olympic level fence sitting going on. They don’t want to just come out and say they are anti anything and will keep going on about how we love and welcome all, but then come up with very anti everything policies. Religious groups can make whatever policies they like, but I do wish they would either be openly anti LGBTQIA+ and stop with the meaningless platitudes about welcoming all, or get over it and find a way to fully integrate acceptance of LGBTQIA+ people and lifestyles into church doctrine and culture. Just be honest so people can make sound decisions about what involvement with the church they wish to have.

This is my new binge channel. So fascinating; the Mormon interviews are especially interesting to me. And, delivered so well! I am learning so much.

I completely related to you, when you talked about going to church and not getting anything out of it. I would go there a lot in hopes to learn something knew, it got to the point that I was able to predict a lot of comment's that would be said during class. I was wondering why we have to have the same lessons over and over. One time I heard someone say, well it's because we haven't learned or mastered what we already know, and this is why there wasn't any new "revelations" from God, because we have to master the knowledge we already have. It was getting very redundant to me, and not spiritually uplifting at all.

I recently found out that my great grandparents left Illinois following Brigham Young. Some of the family ended up in Utah, some in Nebraska, Wyoming and probably Colorado. I never understood why my grandfather had no relationship with his mother and step father. It makes more sense when I learn more about the LDS faith and poligamy. Thank you for helping me understand.

I can't remember if this was ever an official rule or more of a joke, but I remember being told before my mission (and maybe during?) that it was a rule to hug your companion every day. Sometimes I heard you had to tell your companion you loved them every day. I had one companion who was a big believer in this rule, it was really wholesome actually

I absolutely loved this interview ❤️ the emotional intelligence of both of you was very refreshing

I wish I could just tell my Mormon friends the truth. I hate knowing all of this and seeing people I love be failed by this whole culture and system. It’s a rock in a hard place.

Finally a man who notices the sexism right away.

As a Dutch national, I'm once again struck by how.... uncosmopolitan your lives can be made to be in the USA. How distressingly easy it is to isolate people from the wider world, ideas, thoughts, when you're surrounded by endless miles of mostly the same kind of people. It freaks me out. If i drive over yonder for 60 miles I'm in a different country... There's other problems associated with that for sure. It sounds so peaceful and appealing to be surrounded by people you trust, if only it were more than a dream! Love your content folks keep at it❤❤❤

@47:25 I know you two don't mean to be, but the trope that anyone expressing homophobia is a closeted gay person is, in fact, a homophobic stereotype. The vast majority of homophobia comes from heterosexual people trying to other us. Again, i know you didn't mean it to be a harmful or offensive joke, I just wanted to say something.

Saw a documentary on Ted Bundy and one of his early victims (who escaped!) didn’t report her SA to ANYONE bc of that “it’s better to die… etc” quote!

I appreciate what he said at the end. I think I am at that point where I am trying to find and create my own structure and review what I truly believe based on my own study and learning I stead of just following what I was told " follow the prophet"....( And don't think for yourself) .... I think that is the biggest sin that is the real moto and teaching of the church.

This episode hit me hard on so many levels. @truemormonquotes was enlightening, coupled with your comments Shelise very eye opening and felt emotional supported as I continue on my journey. Thank you Brian and Shelise 💗

I agree (as a former conservative Baptist, now I don't) with his belief in what taking God's name in vain is ❤!!!

A yt short from my interview with John Dehlin about the veil got a bit of traction a while back. I was shocked by how many people told me: 1.) I didn't understand the symbolism of the veil, 2.) assumed I never did any kind of searching or praying or asking anyone about it to try to find the "real" answer and because that part has changed.... 3.) the sheer number of people denying that it was ever part of the ceremony even people who've been going long enough who know better. 4.) How many people were accusing ME of lying about my own experience Talking about the temple ceremony really does bring out all kinds of responses from members! I rarely hear men talk about the veil and the fact that we women had to cover our faces. And I just got to say I super appreciate hearing it from a guy how obviously sexist it was and also to outright State the obvious implication of that because it seems so few will and just want to pretend it's not inherently sexist at all.

the "spiritual wasteland" bit was so true for me. I wasn't a mormon, but a baptist. I only really enjoyed going to church to glean something about what bronze era life must have been like, but eventually, after gaining a lot of members, the pastor always pivots to shaming and fundraising. they'll start ranting about hell or the apocalypse and their disgust for lgbt+ individuals. i felt so much more fulfilled spiritually when i started reading about history and philosophy on my own, from real historians

I love pointing out how these groups use our human nature and things that are a big part of our evolutionary history to control us. One thing that helped me not to get caught up in a cult (I was about a 2 or 3 steps away from joining one) was that I was leaning about human evolution, human biology and a little bit about psychology and philosophy. Understanding why we do some of the things we do and why we believe things we do without good evidence was very helpful to me.

Holy shit!!! Wait a minute. Hold up! So veiling myself was because I wasnt "worthy" to show my face to God?! WTF!!!

Brian's quote about taking the Lord's name in vain reminds me of something I learned in Catechism class (I'm Catholic). I always thought it was about not using God's name in an irreverent manner, and while the Catholic Church does teach that, it also teaches that people who use God's name to mislead or do evil are also examples of taking the Lord's name in vain, which is a lot more damaging than saying OMG. The 2nd Commandment was a lot more encompassing than I first realized.

Let's not forget the children being murdered by literal fire at the Wasatch Front, Newcastle, Utah and Beaver, Utah.

Fantastic interviews. It really was true for me. Keep up this very valuable work. Bless you guys.

After finding your channel and binge watching A LOT of the videos, one thing keeps popping up. Which is that so many US Americans seem to think (cult or no cult) that morals are only learned in church. And it just sounds absolutely bonkers! Excluding the mostly catholic countries, Europeans aren’t really that religious nor go to church. Yet we doing okay. Except when some high key cult like country invades another one… 🤦🏻‍♀️ But really, is declaring your religion and making it an outwardly personality trait really such a prominent feature with all USA citizens? I mean, to get nit picky, the Bible explicitly says that you have a congregation when there’s two or more believers gathered. No churches, temples or priests. And it’s told multiple times that we should each have our own connection with God. So what gives? 😅

I think the people who go full grizzly on you when you post something that challenges their faith-they’re having doubts themselves and they’re scared. If they were confident in their faith, they’d be happy to discuss the challenges without getting angry. Anger is usually an outward expression of fear.

It was so funny in high school when I was dating a Mormon boy who was a very good actor (was in theater and also turned out to be an asshole with no forewarning) going to seminary in the morning at 5 am and “sinning” in the afternoon with his atheist girlfriend.

It take so much to deconstruct your faith. It's the farthest thing from being a lazy learner.

I have watched so many if your videos the past couple days! I shared your channel with my sister. It's so Therapeutic to here real people talk about the same experiences we've had.

When I was in the Mormon Church I was taught that the leaders of the church could not make mistakes, if they did the God would strike them dead. Yet now the leaders are saying that previous leaders made mistakes. When I was little the church banded a lot of books, one was written by President Snow (very old prophet) My great grandma was not an active Mormon and had this book by President Snow. When my mother found out, she took the book, read it and then gave it to the Bishop. She denied ever having read it.

X jw i was aways beeing buged to get babtized but my mum keep saying she is to young she cant even allowed to to enter a contract till at least 18 in the uk xx love u guys

This guy is so sweet and humble 😊

50:55 I’m late to this video, but when I converted in 2012 I became really good friends with the Elders that were in the area, which was scandalous in itself because I was a single woman (we are still friends 11 years on). I had one of them baptise me and when he pulled me out of the water I was super emotional and I hugged him. I got pulled up for it by the bishop and was constantly judged for it the rest of the time I was in that ward. I left the church in 2017 and apparently I am still spoken about and used as a warning for what not to do for new converts 🤷🏻‍♀️

I don’t think the “real” victims are only the children or the ones who might be suffering the most. It’s whole family unit.

I don't actually know if this is relevant but I'm going to go with it anyways. Instead of putting the fear of God or the fear of parents or church leaders/any authority really, let them find their own way, make their own mistakes, within reason and they will find where they need to be. I don't know where i heard this but here goes "Strict parents raise sneaky kids". The more you tell a child that they can't do this or that the more they will want to do it anx they'll sneak around and do it. This kind of comes out of my playbook as a child and especially as a young adult. And i guess I should confess that I didn't marry until I was 33 years old and we decided not to have children, so what do I even know about raising children, guess what, I was at one time that child, I guess that this can be for actual child rearing or for the church leaders raising children of God.

Joseph Smith as polygamist at 8:04. It is not that far fetched to go into the mission field and never heard this. Back in the 1990s, Relief Society sisters were being told in lessons that Joseph Smith had only one wife Emma Smith. Correlated Curriculum never taught much outside of D&C 132 during Sunday School lessons, and even then glossed over it. Same with seminary and institute classes. It was only recently the polygamy (and polyandry) issues were fully acknowledged by the church on its website. So to go into the MTC without an understanding of JS and plural marriage was not unusual.

I’m curious why I haven’t heard discussion about the Navajo youth placement program. Many of the girls suffered sexual abuse by the Priesthood holder in the family. There’s a lot about that program that was wrong. An attempt to “deculturalize” them?

Phew! Shelise! I have been cleaning all weekend and listening to (mostly) your videos! Its so clean in here 😂😂😂❤ Love your content ❤

I always hated hearing "I know the church is true," on fast Sunday. Kinda exposes people cleaving to the organization rather than the gospel.

My job Hubby listens to Marcus Aurelius as affirmations to help hi. Through is days and has done so for years love it so happy and impressed by both of you keep it up. You guys are amazing!❤❤❤❤

My Mother would say to me often, "Your virtue is more valuable than your life, if you are ever in a position to be raped asked to be killed". I had NO idea where she got this from however it makes a whole lot of sense now. Unfortunately, I had to sit with that for many hot minutes as I had been assaulted as a young child. By the time I was 15, had have been told this and feeling my value was nothing, it was as good as dead I started to allow myself to be taken advantage of feeling I had nothing to lose by that point. Then, at 15 I got pregnant. There is another HUGE Rollercoaster ride with the church after that. At around 18, after several years of feeling shunned and persecuted. I admitted defeat and left.

When the guest talked about taking Gods name in vain, little did he know, that’s the actual meaning of it in the Hebrew. It actually means, do not misrepresent God. It has not much/little to do with swearing.

I like her reactions to shocking things. 😊

Excellent video! Thanks for this.

Growing up a JW I really thought we were the only ones that lived with this nonsense. I was taught all other religions just went to church on Sundays for an hour (or so) just to get their ears tickled. I found through the years all these religions have their nutty / extreme doctrines and crazy demands (especially for children when it comes to sex and fear). I would have preferred this was true since then only JW's lived in misery, sad to realize all the kids had some sort of brainwashing (fear, obligation, and Guilt - FOG). I think JW's have the distinction of having the highest suicide rate.

I’m loving your interview style. So refreshing to watch your genuine curiosity and easygoing nature. Thank you for what you do 🎉

I was born and raised in western Idaho in the 60s-70s. Mine was one of the few families that wasn't Mormon, but we were very familiar with the LDS "lingo." I even knew who Kimball was, lol! I worked for a number of dentists (as an assistant), some whom of which were Bishops. Not being Mormon was a catch-22. We "infidels" were excluded from alot and that was perfectly fine with me. However, BECAUSE I'm not Mormon, most of these upstanding pillars of society felt like it was ok to say something sexually provocative or even grope the non-believers who worked in the office. Their sense of entitlement left me gob-smacked! And then, of course, when the Mrs. would come in, well, they became totally different men! I never wanted to be part of such an exclusive religion, but as a young woman, I was so disgusted by these men. It always left a bad taste in my mouth. I don't know if you've heard this sort of thing about Mormons in your journey, but I thought I'd leave my two cents. 😅 I'm going back and binge-watching your channel, Shelise. 😊 You're awesome. Thank you. ❤

Please excuse my typing and jumbled thoughts. I love your channel and really enjoy the guests you interview, I'm a subscriber for life.

What I don't understand & no one is talking about, is in the movie about Adam & Eve, Lucifer says he is wearing the apron of his Priesthoods, to Adam. The movie stops & people are told to put their aprons on. So, they are wearing the apron of Lucifer's Priesthoods. I am from pioneer stock, from the 1850's on both sides of my mother's family. If I went to the the temple & saw Lucifer playing a role, I would've left so fast, they wouldn't have known, I was there! How are they tricked like that? Is everyone brainwashed that badly, too scared to leave, or they missed it? I baptised for the dead at 13, thank goodness, that's all I did in the temple! I always felt something wasn't right, as a child, with blacks not being able to hold the priesthood, among other things. This whole ceremony with Lucifer makes me worried for my ancestors! Looks like they are worshipping Lucifer. I am happy that I love my Heavenly Father & our Savior, Jesus Christ, with all my heart & soul! I am also blessed with the gift of the Holy Ghost & the power of discernment. Believe me, I didn't want this to be true! I prayed multiple times to be shown more proof about the church & everytime I was shown more. You can't unsee it, the proof of the lies are out there. May our Father in Heaven bless us all & open the eyes of those who are asleep! Lots of Love to All ❤🥰

When you claim that you "xpeak for God" then say things that are wrong. lies, ect, abd wgheb you claim to be a "profit" there is a term for that. It is ca;;ed blasphemy and, historically speaking, would have gotten you burned at the steak

When I wanted a real world solution to my real world problem and all my grandma could give me for advice was, “Just trust in the Lord, he’ll help you” There was no real help. It’s sad, she doesn’t know HOW to give advice.

Hearken to the counsel of your husband . Means nothing . Look closer at the baptizing policy , you can get baptized at 8 , whats this theoretically doing , vs you haveto wait til 18 if your parents are gay . The children are covered irreguardless from day one !. I just want to be accountable for holding these guys responsible for saying things in Gods name . You dont believe in God though . Its kind of a mute point.

How many pieces did i fill in today shelise for you . Better start believing in God . Thats my advice . Obviously ive been to pergamum. Pergamon , pyramids of cheops , the serpent colliseum , the adamamyakhan , the library Alexandria , agartha , the upper platform sleeping chambers out back . 700 years. Minute details i shared with you shelise about pergamum . Interesting how it coalesced perfectly eith the chatter from the bishops . Told you where every last one was and where they can be accountable, right down to their new home and where thats at . Is that kolob ? Is it sons of titans or sons of the titan , im allowedto ask questions afterwords . Six weeks ago i was down there . Absolutely were monitoring your asses in the netherworld too . Wanna bet .

❤🧡💛💚💙💜❣ (So many great, helpful nuggets I can't touch on them all - loved this talk; thanks!! :))

About black men not being eligible for the priesthood because “people wouldn’t accept that in those times,” they could say that with a straight face knowing that Smith pushed polygamy from the start?

Wow I’m glad to hear this from him. I grew up in Christianity and I never could grasp why being gay was so wrong and disgusting but yet on the flip side they would tell us god wrote out the plans for our lives before we were even born. So if he didn’t want gay people then why did he make them feel or suffer that way. And they would always deflect onto the devil or being influenced that way. And I just couldn’t get it. Or why, it felt really gross to me and wrong.

Cassie is so beautiful. She is very protective. Cooking healthy for one can be difficult. I really like to make stir fry.

Shelise the thing that concerns me about mormonism , is the amount of people that leave mormonism and dont believe in God . Intellectual giants , not really . And then they eanna discuss if their still getting into heaven , because they wrre mormon , but now their atheists and agnostics . I thought you dont believe in God . Looking to a church hiarchy you left , to have a complete absence of God in your life .

Teenagers in highschool are ordained to a lower priesthood (Aaronic priesthood) they can bless the bread and can perform baptisms with the approval of the Bishop with another Melchizedek priesthood holder presiding. So they also go to seminary to prepare them for the Aaronic priesthood.

Really appreciate this interview. I finally have words to out to some of my experience that i have not been able to describe. Thank you

45:24 in addition, since when did the church follow the trends of the times? Or care about what society wants or thinks. Every church policy is in contrast to modern culture.

This isn't related to this video, but I find it interesting how Mormon's do temple rituals.

I think the idea of being aware that every day one will run into a difficult person is a good tip. I tend to leave for work with the expectation that people will be reasonable and sometimes get blindsided

This is precious. Thank you so much.

Mostly off topic, but I know a guy who got married in front of a JP, right after he graduated Basic Training. Intstead of "I do" he said "Yes, sir!"

Wow! Amazing interview! Great origin story.

My dad was a pastor (not Mormon) and he was interested in cults. He would have sermons about cults that honed in on Mormon and JW. I had two Mormon friends in high school. I would tell them what my dad told us about the “revelations” the “prophet” received and the timing of many of them. These women are still in their religion. I couldn’t preach them out of it. 😂 Seriously I hope they are in equal marriages. But I doubt it. They were very sweet girls in high school.

Oh, also, when they give the excuse that this was the times-that doesn’t work when it’s literally the utterance of a prophet supposedly speaking for God. God doesn’t change his mind. He’s God-he gets it right the first time. If someone says they’re speaking for God and they turn out to be wrong, they are a false prophet. In the OT Israel was commanded to put them to death. In the NT we are commanded to avoid and beware of them. That right there should answer all your questions about anyone who claims to be a prophet.

Satan rules the water?! What?! Please explain.

" We can have a coffee together." 😊 You really are Ex-Mo.

Great Channel. Kudos.

It was crazy onondaga yard art coming through . Piss us off , well literally turn your asses into yard art . Thats true too sometimes . I saw molech formed down there last time . 10 people it takes to do it .

I feel like all of this applies to the us presidency too smh

Great talk

They keep changing "policies ". Ugh

Great episode, a lot to think about!

What is the purpose of policy if it isn't based on doctrine ?

Journal of discourses vol 7 page 289. Teachings of the prophet . . . by j fielding smith , Paige 363. Also gospel topic assays. Love your show Shelise ! Trespassed in 1986 where they do the throat SLicing with your thumb , it felt like 1886.

Ignoring sin, of any kind, is not right; that is a point you made Shalise, yet, from your own words, you sound as though you are totally okay with homosexuality, ignoring that homosexuality is a sin, it is wrong, and like Brian stated, if we describe a religion, but assign the description to another religion or leader, those involved with the religion the description is actually about would denounce their own religion. I appreciate you and your research, but your own hypocrisy is repulsive.