F-104 Starfighter in the 1965 Indo-Pakistani War (Part 2) 

Saar if you watch a Bollywood documentary then you would no it's highly likely.

​@@pajeetkumar1645Pakistan is well known for its lies all over the world

It was not pursued by a damaged mystere but a wingman's plane.

​@@pajeetkumar1645saar what a sarcasm saar 72 hoors will be proud saar

@@pajeetkumar1645 no zaar watch Porgaystani filmz zaar porgaystani junk fighter jf17 can even shoot f22 zaar in the other galaxy zaar🇵🇰🐷

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Or perhaps the land speeder was modeled after the sound of F-104? :)

@@showtime112 Well , since the Star Wars stories takes place in the distant past that would be impossible 😂

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no, it had a 2nd one, killing its pilots in prodigious numbers

Why should the F-104 be "a problem" for the F-106? As the fastest single engine fighter ever produced the 106 was more modern as well as much more powerful than the F-104. The F-104 was older and still seemed to have a climb rate advantage over the 106, but its main advantages were that it came first and it was less expensive.

Seems to me the F-106 was designed to attack mass waves of soviet bombers and not fighters in fact the delta darts & earlier F-102 Daggers didn’t even have a internal cannon for close in combat

@@remylopez4821 The F-106 was an all-weather interceptor designed to intercept and destroy bombers attacking the US. It was controlled by the SAGE system (Semi Automatic Ground Environment), a ground based automated system, which after takeoff could fly the aircraft to an intercept position from which the pilot only had to complete the attack and fire the weapons. The F-106 did not have a gunsight or even a compressed air supply a pilot G-suit because these were not needed for missile attacks on bombers. In contrast the F-104 was designed as day air superiority fighter, which is why it had a gun as primary armament and compressed air for the pilot's G-suit. It did not have radar missiles and all-weather attack capability.

@@gort8203 understood when I am listening to the US Air Force in 1978 I became a crew chief on F4 phantoms but I had a chance to work on F10 six is at Minot but I didn’t want to go to that cold weather on the California guy so instead I ended up working at four phantoms at Nellis Air Force Baseand the 106 was always my favorite Aircraft of that time. Thank you for your response.

Exactly. Older gen fighter can still defeat a newer gen one under the right circumstances. Even though you can always find comments from people saying that this is impossible :)

I am kinda puzzled there too. Some details were given by Fricker, some perhaps by Hussain during his 1971 capture but some are likely 'decorative'.

India never knew what happened with Sq. Ldr. Devaiah until 1979 when Pakistani came out with their version of events. It was only then that Devaiah was decorated posthomously.

THERE WERE 2 MYSTERES INVOLVED IN THAT INCIDENT OFCOURCE, THE SECOND MYSTERE DAMAGED THE F104.

Thank you for the comment! Yes, Indo-Pakistani conflicts are unfinished and that is a serious problem. Vietnam is finished and you can see a book written by a Vietnamese author which disputes many American aerial victories published in the USA. That's completely unthinkable here :)

True. I read a funny comment once that these early missiles required a full cooperation of their targets :)

There were only 12 starfighter, but these were well integrated and saw a lot of action. Mig 21 were also operational but their performance was very poor and IAF kept them in hiding. Most of this video is just indian propaganda bcz it was Pakistan that accepted starfighter was damaged but landed safely.

LoL you were sitting besides him to see that his seat was jammed...

Thank you for the insight!

@@clintwestwood5187 God forbid you can investigate a wreckage

The PAF Pilot admitted it after being shot down again over India in the 1971 War and being captured as a POW

@@adityavikramsampath2695 just to confirm I saw this report again and the POW stated that there was a collision and that was the ‘admission’

@@adityavikramsampath2695 very strange PAF pilot admitted in 1971, then indian waiting for 17 more years to confirm it.

Thank you very much for this positive feedback!

Acc. To PAF, they also won all war against india🥲

This is why India doesnt buy American jets. You guys got lucky with the f-14s, they're really beautiful jets, hope they keep flying for as long as possible.

Thank you for the comment! Pacific is definitely a topic I want to research in the future.

I'm happy to hear it, thank you!

I'm happy to hear that, thanks!

I'm happy to hear it, thank you for the positive comment!

Thank you! It's War Thunder.

Thank you for watching!

Thank you for the amazing feedback series :) Yes, it seems unlikely that the versions will be agreed upon by these two nations.

Due but what about the ones lost by ground attacks?

​@@mrxyz8366 yes they count in war but in the aviation record they dont mean much...its the ones u lose in the air that tarnish ur recird as an airforce....

in '71 war PAF lost a bunch of F-104s.

@@sobant4795 yes that's why the world map changed and something like the "east Pakistan" disappeared from the world map😂

@@sobant4795 first learn the spelling of 'record' then come to compare them😂

Thank you so much for yet another donation!

Currently no, Alize is not available in any of the sims I use.

Hvala!

Thank you for watching!

It is true that other parts of the Starfighter's service are much better known (high losses in the Luftwaffe primarily). Thank you for commenting!

@@showtime112 it had the same reputation in the RCAF as a widow maker. I don't think using it as a strike aircraft was a good idea.

​@@showtime112 lucky warsaw pact never invaded nato F104 would have been a liabilty how lockheed sold them so well is a ???

Thanks a lot, I'm happy to hear you liked it!

I appreciate your continuous support!

A bunch of videos about the 1971 war have already been produced, check the channel and look 'Indo-Pak Wars' playlist if you missed them.

It is technically possible as a platform exists (Flying Circus). I just need to get an inspiration to go in that direction. Might happen someday.

​​@@victor256in No needs to tell that who you are😂😂.

​@@marwanahmad8270alam shot downed 5 indian aircraft in 4 second imagine he had 1 minute he would had shot down entire IAF

@@joaquimfurtado4868 Side effect of Bollywood movies🤪🤪.

Thank you! I haven't covered that story yet. I'm sometimes reluctant to do these well known ones as there's always a chance that I miss some source. But I'll get there one day :)

@@showtime112 thank you.. your videos are knowledgeable and takes us back in time... MM Alam's heroics are also part of the world record and his effort is acknowledged by most of the world except India which is understandable as they were at the receiving end... MM Alam was a down to earth and very humble man and never shown any pride for his accomplishment. He deserves to be on this great page of yours. Rafiqui was another hero of Pak who lost his plane in india in a dog fight and pak acknowledged it

I think if u dont know shit about military you shout just stfu

I have to agree with that

One of its many, many nicknames :)

I came across multiple sources which call it a tail-radar. Besides, if it were RWR why would pilots turn it off on low altitudes? They were afraid that F-104s could detect it and RWR can't be detected by anything.

Thank you very much! It does have a bad reputation in that area :)

Thank you very much!

Thank for providing info like you always do!

Thank you very much for yet another donation!

Yeah the way mig 21 won from f16 Only feku always feku

Biased comment since you are Indian.

India was in no knowledge of this Mystere pilot untill 1979, when it some how find this incident in a book written by a western writer based on what Pakistani Airforce excepted about a loss of Starfighter . . If PAF is so biased, than better not accept this incident and take away that Vir Chakra Award from that dead pilot . .

@RajeevSingh-kq8fl except for 71 indian didnt win anything my friend.....the LOC is still there after 3 wars....if india had won anything then the LOC would not have been there....Moreover u said in a democracy things are difficult to hide...well thats a total sham of a statement does RAW works publically in INDIA???.....if u think its difficult to hide then BJP gov must be some genius who hide an entire Su30 and the dead bodies of about 100 troops from the face of the earth apart from the first day where social media posts were made by the local officials doctors quoting the death of many troops and injured aswell in RAJOURI HOSPITAL....hell even INDIAN TODAY broadcasted live on that day that SU 30 was indeed shot down near SIRINAGAR AIRBASE and ground reporter confirm it aswell.....and about 15 days later a certain SQ. LDR AKASH PANDEY died in a mysterious bike crash near gues what??? SIRINAGAR AIRBASE...... Pakistan is the most leaky country in the world where if u wana find someone u can find him in a matter of days nobody keeps their mouths shut....but not one leak from pak side about the F16 yet their were hundreds of leaks on the indian side on social media as well as the digital media....until ofcourse the govt.'s directive to keep quite in national intrest just they did kept quite on that MI17 heli fratricide for about 3 months until elections were done and dusted......so dont bring ur sham of a logic about democracy....In pakistan army cant move their magic wand in the air and disapear a friggin f16 with 0 leaks......one more thing the funny claim of india about that f104 missile being blasted before impact is laughable since missiles dont blast when they miss their targets😂

@@iftikharfaridy2974 PAF is known to hide losses, and when American built aircraft are involved, it is common knowledge that the US assists in hiding them. Best example was back in the Afghan War, a PAF F-16 was shot down by his own wingman. In order to save face, PAF and Pentagon claimed the F-16 was shot down by a Soviet MiG-23. A Pakistani journalist had uncovered the truth decades later. PAF also has trouble sticking to its story. Another good example is what happened in 2019. DG-ISPR changed his statement around 3 times, confusing the number of aircraft shot down, parachutes in the air and pilots captured. After India specifically asked the US to release the official count of F-16s, the Pentagon conveniently said it's an internal matter between PAF and the US. If only Pakistan would listen like the good little pets they are when India says Kashmir is an internal matter of India😂. As unbiased as I'm trying to be, it's much harder to believe Pakistani accounts than Indian.

Thanks a lot! I like liveries that saw some real combat and this one definitely did.

Yeah, these conflicts are not really over yet.

Not for a lack of trying :) Thank you for the comment!

Why would I mention that in a video about F-104?

Because it happened on 19/9 65.My dad was the co pilot on that plane.

Hvala Medo!

There will be stories about that in the future, thank you for commenting!

But you know, it doesn't always work this way :)

Thank you for watching!

وہ متروک ایئر سٹرپ سرگودھا سے مغرب کی سمت 92 چک کے قریب تھی شاید۔ ایک کینبرا جہلم دریا کے اس پار تھل میں بھی گرا تھا غالبا کھاٹواں ضلع خوشاب کے قریب۔

@@muslehuddinbilal3548G exactly it used to call Chota sargodha also one canebara shot during 71 war at sakesar area near Khushab by Mirage during nite by Naeem Atta

Except that they might actually solve the Amelia Earhart mystery but this one is unlikely 😁Thanks once again!

If I had to choose one version, that one makes sense.

Točno. Doduše, borba se odvijala u blizini matične baze Starfightera pa nije trebalo previše goriva do nje.

the night hawk wasnt a 5th gen aircraft, it was the first aircraft to enter service that featured geometric stealth construction. also there is no "probably" it was definitely a f 117 27 th march 1999

Thank you!

Nope. Algorithm clearly knows it's part 2 as the first one had four times as many views at this point 😁

Thanks a lot! Yes, such conflicts shall continue to be covered in the future.

Yes just like Pakistanis claimed they captured 3 Indian pilots and downed three jets, later they agreed that they only captured one piloted and downed one jet, accepting their lies😂

​​@@mrxyz8366when it comes to lie indian are number one. Pakistan always claimed two aircraft. Panicked IAF shot its own helicopter. Indian defense minister claimed 300 killing in Balakot but they were telling eternal truth as Reuters categorically stated no building was hit.

​@@mrxyz8366see how good are you at making false claims, Pakistan accepted that it was a communication mistake if having two pilots but always maintained it shot two aircraft.

@@snd9826 Thats the reason why today india is far ahead of pakistan, you guys think commenting on youtube and being a keyboard warrior will strengthen your country🤣😂. you should better care about your country being ran by your "fauj"

@@mrxyz8366 no matter how much truth and proof one bring indian will never accept truth bcz they don't believe what they see rather they want to see what they believe. Indian will twist facts bring in hilarious argument but will not accept truth. PAF shot two aircraft and panicked IAF shot its own helicopter. But all indian have a communication mistake that tells them their mig 21 shot an F-16.

It's quite understandable that he would want to hide something like that.

@@showtime112 I was expected such a reasonable reply,thnx.

No issues . . Neither a Starfighter was lost nor a Mystere . . This dog fight never happened at all . . This video was a fiction . . 😁😁😁

In every single account, Devayya engages the F-104. But it is possible that his Mystere wasn't damaged in the initial attack, some sources give that version.

@@showtime112 again another crap if it was not damaged in first encounter what destroyed Mystere after successful shooting down f104. Please be a little rational. Kind of claims are brought in are quite hilarious even firing of sidewinder is disputed.

​@@snd9826u r literally d*mb , haven't u seen the video

Congratulations! :)

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If someone told you that you should do your job for free or for less than minimum wage, what would you tell them?

​@@showtime112Amen.

If it's like a known ads like War Thunder,maybe it was okay,but a food ad that is notorious for mistreatment of their employees would rub viewers in a wrong way

@@Randomly_BrowsingShow me a corporation that treats its workers 100 percent fairly. Corporations are like that and the workers always have a freedom to find another job if they hate the one they have. Speaking of WT, I was reprimanded by a viewer from Ukraine for using it. He pointed to an interview in which Gaijin management speaks in favor of Russian aggression against his country. So, it's easy to be self righteous but there's no such thing as a perfect sponsor. Or a viewer which won't be annoyed by something.

@@showtime112 true but at the same time, is it worth a risk?

Problem is IAF is giving credit of shooting down of starfighter to first Mystere, whereas PAF pilot was the first one to admit that his aircraft was damaged by the debris of Mystere and he landed safely. All claims were made after that and many false narrative were created. And that also after decades.

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