F-22 & F-35 Challenge Sukhoi T-50 (PAK FA) 

After reading the comments regarding the video posted, I have come to conclusion that Americans remind me of Russians back in 30's-40's. Russians also were fanatically enthusiastic about their military technology. The elusions collapsed after just a few month of war. The Americans truly believed that they have the best staff. The argument is pointless here. As two fighters never met in a combat. However, it is very dangerous underestimate your opponents. I believe that most of comments were written by teens, who like to watch "Transformers".

The Winner : Russian T-50 PAK FA

Many said the same thing about the F-15 which was developed in the 70's. During the Kosovo conflict "they were proven wrong. I was there to watch the F-15C shoot down 4 MIG 29's in the first two days.

to be honest Russian fighters were always superior ON PAPER then american ones... until they both fight in real combat the americans dominate

T-50 is a bad copy of yf 23 not very stealthy configured with those engines

You do not even need to use T-50 SU 37 is far more capable than F-22.

Why do Russian aircraft's always look like the metal has been recycled?

The T50 specs outshines the rest. Also interesting to know that the F35 is actually based on the Russian YAK141. The USA bought the design from Russia.

The F-22 is one hell of an aircraft, there is no question about it. However, if you want to compare the two aircraft in a realistic way, you must also factor in the cost. A brand new F-22 costs 138 million dollars, where a Sukhoi T-50 only puts you 50 million dollars down. So the more realistic question to ask is: "Can 3 of the new russian Sukhoi T-50 fighters challenge one american F-22?". Well, as a man with a notorious mustache once said, "Quantity has a quality all of it's own".

f-35 Pilot can look through the plane and even to the rear and engage a enemy. Missiles got 360 degree engagement ability with helmet screen display if anyone even can get that close. Most others have half the engagement range if the f-35 is in full stealth mode F.e. F-35 can engage at x amount of miles when other can engage at one half of x.

F22 = 1 hour of flight / 30 hours of maintenance. Gonna be hard to fight when they are in the hangar all the time. Advanced tech doesn't always equal a better system. Many times, the old rule "keep it simple stupid", or KISS applies.

how right you are, besides we dont even know alot about the F-22 either(it being the oldest of the 5th generation planes and the only one on active combat duty). I noticed how the performance specs on the F-22 has changed over the years on numerous websites. And up until today the Max speed is still highly classified.

air-superiority is not dependent on the aircraft in the sky alone, there is a lot stuffed into the aircraft aside from engines, computer packages.. avionics, weapons, radar etc. but the biggest factor is the pilot. Take the Japanese navy carriers of early WWII, they had superior aircraft and pilots, but they lost key battles because Japanese aircraft-carriers did not have fire-control, whereas the US carriers did, when US carriers got hit, they had the chance to put out fires, but the Japanese carriers had no fire-systems, so they just burned and sank. it comes down to much more than the vehicle itself. And it is no secret that the Americans have already tested aircraft than can do Mach8, hell, they had Aurora program 30years ago, they are far more advanced than any other military. They are already working on generation6 stuff and beyond. They have stuff that will never be known about until war breaks out(secret weapon programs).

actually it was canceled because there was no point putting it into mass production in 2005 when no other nations even had published concepts for a 5th gen fighter. So instead they built a suitable amount (185) and started working on 6th Gen concepts, a couple of unofficial concepts have already been published, unofficially of course.

The problem is that everyone is trying to compare the American plane to the Russian plane. They are fundamentally different in their approach to combat. Do I think the Suky could out maneuver the F-22 in close quarter combat? Maybe. But the F-22 and F-35 are not supposed to slug it out. They are more sophisticated and will destroy their adversaries with early detection and long range weapons. That is the plan.

I'm an F22 Fanboy at heart but damn, the T50 is just so raw and badass. Mad respect for the T50.

I was also told that about the F-35 as well awhile back when the issue of dogfighting came up due to the F-35s inferior aerodynamics to the Sukhoi.But from what I was told,The f-35 can knock the sukhoi out of the sky before the sukhoi knows its even there,so there would be no need for close range aerial combat.

@sukhoi235 MW2-End Credits :-)

Dude the F-35 is still at prototype stage so judging it early would be very stupid. Remember the F-35 is still being develop. The F-22 is being upgraded for better engine, performance, maneuver etc. Also recent testing of the F-22 prove that it is not a waste especially at BVR where Euro Typoon figther pilot mentioned "We can't get a lock-off at BVR and can't detect the F-22 but at close range dogfighting we are some-what equal" Now imagine the F-22 with new upgrades!!!

LOVE THE SIMPLICITY OF THE F 22 DESIGN .. EVERYTHING JUS LOKS IN ITS PLACE.. IN ADDITION TO THE INNOVATIVE SIDEWAYS MISSILE RACKS ON THE RAPTOR DATS REALLY COOL:)

You know these planes suppose to be used to hit you before a fight even starts right? They might actually never be close enough to be able to "dogfight".

@FrankaDith I am glad to do it in private chat to support my country and to understand more about foreign countries.

one thing I think people are forgetting about is the F-117, It can fly in undetected and destroy most of our enemies ability to fight, even before they can even get off of the ground. Then after they are done, the F-22s can just come in and mop up what ever the F-117s didnt get.

I love how people praise the T-50 when it's not even being produced yet. Talk shit about the F-22 when you actually manufacture an aircraft that can rival it

T-50 is now more costly than the f-35.

good thing is there aint any idiots in the comment section saying whose country and aircraft is best. good video

Hahahahaha!!! Saying that an F-22 or an F-35 can "challenge" any SU (34, 35 or 50, whartever), is like saying that I can "challenge" Usain Bolt in a 100m race...

Hey, dude where did you get the F-35 and F-22 footage from??? Plz give some link.

@Namdaguda I'm not American. World War 2 would not have been won without the Soviets, but would ALSO not have been won without the Americans. Both sides needed eachother.

Pretty funny argument. The US FA-82 Zeus is by far the top dog fighter ever created and flown. Only been deployed 2 times since it was put into service. Its not used much because there is no great need to attack waves of other fighters or bombers as its primary roll. The 2 times it was used was for deep penetration RC of foreign air space and they never knew it was there.

Okay. You said that you love all these planes, but your nickname telling me that actually you like only one plane featured in this video - the amazing Raptor. Am i wrong?

The Sukhoi T-50 program has been slashed by 75%.... Appearently they have been encountering some of the same problems the US went through with their 5th gen fighters. F 35 is slated to be fully operational within 2 years from now, and the T-50 will be another 10 before they even have over 20 working fighters, while the US will have over 300 by the end of 2019.

Russia couldn't even get a friggen jet engine to power a bomber and still give it intercontinental range decades after the B-52 took to the skies. A pretty serious concern with the MiG-29 was that its engines constantly left a very visible trail of brownish exhaust that would make it much easier to see. They're obviously better now, but they plainly have a historical weakness when it comes to their skill in producing jet engines. It's totally nuts to say they're #1.

Music in first part of video, where the T-50 is demonstrated, is awesome, who is performer please, tell -))

Not sure what the video's objective is. Title is Challenge, what challenge?

The PAK FA is still being tested and won't be introduced until 2016 so don't start calling it shit because it isn't American.The 3 are all 5th gen stealth fighters and the PAK FA has a larger internal fuel capacity and can out run the F22.And by the way the SU-35 already out maneuvers the F22 and has a larger weapons capacity.

Hardly, if anything the F-35 is, in the next two decades going to be the only viable game in town. Keep in mind that as F-35 production ramps up, production for teen series fighters dwindles. This means increased costs for legacy aircraft, both to procure and maintain. And this does not even begin to scratch the game changer that is sensor fusion, the first truly widespread VLO platform, and the only export fighter able to survive in an s-300/s-400 airspace.

Yeah, it comes in two flavors, but AFAIK the vertical take off version has less payload ability. Either way, they aren't worth the money.

SOVIET weapons were competitive with American weapons. But people forget an important point: the Soviets were working with similar R&D budgets to their American counterparts. Today, the story is completely different. Russia has a defense budget that is roughly 1/10th that of the USA. Sukhoi, Mikoyan etc. have talented, experienced engineers, but they are handicapped by a huge disparity in funding compared to their Western counterparts. Money matters and the US defense companies have more of it.

Man I just love all these planes they are soo beautiful!!!!

How many are operating now? 0, 1 hour of flying for year of maintenance.

This project was named as pak fa then name Chang to t_50.............. Indian prototype is called fifa.......... When India tested it they found out some engine issues and suggested some changes........... Total 49 changes are suggested by India for fifa.................but plain is of superior quality and highly advance technology.............. Hope India and Russia joint ventures create more wonderful marvels in future

I don't think the f-35 is as bad as everyone seems to believe. Sure, The F-35 won't have the same top speed as earlier 4th gen designs, and most certainly not 3rd gen(whom were even faster than 4th gen). But then again, those speeds you see there are irrelevant in practice. "How so?" you may ask, well it has to do with problem previous designs struggled with, extra drag due to externally mounted weapons and fuel tanks. Take the F-16(F-35s spiritual precursor). It is said to have a top speed of about 2 machs. That's better than the stated 1.6 machs of the F-35. However Those 2 machs represents early versions of the F-16 when not carrying any weapons or extra fuel tanks. The top and marching speeds of that aircraft were much much lower in combat. A very good example of this is the F-22s precursor, the F-15. It was F-16s bigger brother, superior characteristics in all ways except price. But even that aircraft never actually went into combat flying faster than 1.3(!) machs. It's top speed was said to be 2.5 machs. This problem, is known as drag, which is a word designed to describe the effects of air resistance on any object moving trough the atmosphere. It is the reason aircraft tend to be very sharp and slender, you want to minimize the effect of drag as much as possible. In previous designs, weapons were mounted externally. Aside from making the aircraft heavier, they would also alter the aerodynamic profile of the aircraft, it would increase drag due to the increased cross-section. This had a dramatic effect on the speeds of the aircraft. Same thing holds true for the huge fuel tanks the aircraft often carried when they needed to travel large distances. With the F-22 and later F-35, designers wanted to solve that problem, creating an aircraft that could carry weapons and indeed travel fast and far without carrying anything extra externally, thus avoiding extra drag. One wanted to create a more efficient military aircraft. In the F-22, this effectively meant creating a very large aircraft, one that could carry extra large reserves of fuel and weapons entirely inside the airframe. Downside there is that you can't really have very many of them(theoretically) on an aircraft carrier. Also means you got a very expensive design. The F-35 is smaller than the F-22. Which is probably the main reason the US wanted an entirely new aircraft design rather than simply modernizing the F-22. Downside ofcourse is that you need to make the aircraft bulkier to compensate, you still need the extra room for your weapon bays. There also were a bunch of kinks with the F-22, such as the production of parts all over the country that didn't necessarily fit when it was to be assembled. All this nonsense resulted in increased costs and problems. The russian and chinese 5th gen designs are very similar to the F-22s design, large and slender, expensive to create and maintain, impractical on aircraft carriers. It is the reason the PAK-FA for instance won't completely replace older 4.5 gens such as the su-35, which btw is a brand new design. It wouldn't surprise me if those nations decide to create smaller fifth gen fighters on their own down the line. When all this is said. Keep in mind all the statistics you see may down right be lies. It may be the americans or russians overstate or understate the capabilities of their respective technologies. Even if we assume they aren't lying, the data you stumble upon around the web often don't state the configuration the various aircraft are in, for instance thrust to weight ratios may be when one of the aircrafts is carrying more fuel, relative to it's total mass, than the craft it is being compared to, thus the data aren't directly comparable. Obviously, if you compare the T/W ratios of a empty F-35 with an empty Typhoon, things look very different compared to the crafts in question were fully tanked. It gets even worse if you compare a tanked F-35 with an untanked typhoon or vice versa.

I'd chose maneuverability over stealth. Also, I'd like to point out that, while the F-22 is more stealthy, it uses weapons and computers from when it was designed; around 1997. The Pak Fa has state-of-the-art weapons that are designed purposely to identify and destroy stealth aircraft.

The T 50 looks like the black widow replica

The answer to the question to the video is NO. Russians and China are finding out that it's very expensive to make a stealth jet. This Russian attempt will pose no threat in the near future. Will take them many more years to field it and the numbers will be too few to pose any threat still. Not to mention they are always behind the power curve. Read that the RCS is about the same as F18 super hornet... not a stealth aircraft. But it looks damn good though.

actually the F 35 has a stovl system meaning it can take off almost vertically.

it is hilarious how the russian fanboys are bragging about a weapon system which is (equally) delayed for several years... and its prototype is given already underwhelming reviews in all major categories. Yeah both programs, the ATF and JSF were prohibitory expensive - but they are deployed and ready for action. A supposedly proven airframe as the Su-30MKI isn't even able to start in a squadron, because the engines need cooler temperatures and threaten to burst... And the closest military partners of Russia [India] just selected the Rafale against a Mig-35 [and the Indians were pissed, that the F-35 was not offered to them]! You also don't need to have too high hopes for the Chengdu J20. The Chinese at this point have pretty much only Russian fighters and less capable Chinese copies of them. Even if they spied and reverse engineered, they seem to be years back, when it comes to key technologies for 5th gen fighter. But hey - at least both the T-50 and the J20 are pretty, right?

Does the T-50 have internal weapon storage?

@Hurqq that sucks if they did. It was a pretty effective first strike bomber in both of the gulf wars.

In fact Pak_FA is about 50 mln and two squadrons go in service next year.

Lol why did you use the Mw2 starting theme tune:)?

The f22 is operational --the t50 is still testing and there is not many of them-----I am not American but I can read the news-----Perhaps you should give your comment rethink

The problem with the F-22 Raptor is that it has 30h of maintenance for 1h of flight (in normal conditions) and many technical problem which all read killed a pilot. F-22 is a really good plane overall, but you can't fly a broken plane, don't you agree?

So someone did make the YF-23. Even though it's a knock off.

@mikewilburn1 11 rpg's, do you have the article to this or are you just making that up? True, the Comanche wasn't needed.

The F-35 and PAK FA T-50 should've traded songs.

ever seen pics of the 1st jet fighters to face each other in combat. Korean war. F86 Sabre and MIG15. search pics of them sometime. you just might have the same reaction as this video :)

Ceiling on the pak is about 20000ft, whats the ceiling on both the f22 and f35.

All these jets look/seem awesome. I think it will come to the software as to which one has the advantage....just a thought. Oh , btw Canada will hopefully be getting the F35, a 100 or more, looking forward to that.

This video does a really bad job of "selling" the T-50. It shows the T-50 doing some basic flight testing, virtually no hard maneuvering let alone thrust vector maneuvers - the F-22, on the other hand, is shown pulling gees, and launching missiles from its internal bays while maneuvering (which is NOT an easy technical feat). Based on the clips chosen for this video you would have to conclude that the F-22 was the superior aircraft without question. T-50 sure looks cool, though.

@SrNutritivo Wrong. The F-35 program PURCHASED information from the YAK 141 program. However the stealth in the F-22 is all-American. Petr Ufimsev's involvement in US stealth is a myth.

F 22 has no equal yet..

Like it or hate it, the Raptor is the only Generation 5 Air Dominance fighter in operation. Not only have all problems been resolved wih this fighter but several new upgrades will be made in the near future. The Raptor was designed to defeat multible enemies at long range. Any enemy plane that comes within 20 miles of a Raptor(well beyond a pilot's field of view) risks being targeted and shot down This is Generation 5 technology at it's best.

It's a VTOL. Vertical Take Off or Landing. It can take off like a helicopter. No runway needed.

It's a prototype folks. All those performance numbers will changewhen the production version is ready. For one the aircraft will get heavier when final design alterations are made which will bring the thrust-to-weight ratio downward. The super precise saw-tooth paneling for the entire aircraft will only serve to increase the price as well. The Russians still have a long way to go and they know it.

Wow, the T-50 was able to fly in a straight line. I'm sure all of the missiles won't be able to follow that trajectory. I'm surprised it was able to get in the air. They seem to be prone to catch on fire and burn up on the runway. www.janes.com/article/38971/russian-t-50-pak-fa-fighter-prototype-catches-fire

Depends on which version you mean. ;)

"we kill people for killing people to show that killing is wrong" is the "motive". the 1st consequence is judging in public 5th generation air fighters

@7732929 the t50 might be equal or greater,but it has yet to be produced and tested, all it has done is fly and land and it still uses 4th gen engines, the f22 progam was stopped, but they continue to make parts and the production can begin again, stealth planes are expensive to build and maintain, the russians and chinese might not fully grasp this yet,. but they will find it out soon

Although the F 22 raptor and F35 lighting look similar, the F35 is 10 years ahead in terms of Avionics, it is a common fact around 80% of an aircraft budget goes on avionic systems. As all three aircraft stand at the moment, it would say the F35 would come out on top.

Next up, during the first half of the Korean War, the Russian made (but not russian piloted) MiG-15 Aircraft was superior to any other plane (until the US caught up and developed the even better F-86 Sabre). Finally, During the Vietnam War, the first iterations of the American made M16 and M60 were famously unreliable and constantly jammed, as opposed to the universally acclaimed AK-47, which many consider to be the finest assault rifle even made, and it was Russian made.

Does anybody know the name of the soundtrack used on the first footage of the pakfa? I know it was on the video game crysis but id like a direct link to the soundtrack, thanks in advance!!

This article was Posted on August 6, 2010 and in the on 16 November 2010 a F-22 pilot was killed because of a system failure... I think you know were am I going with this. And did you know that F-22 can go in to rain without sustaining damage too his "skin".

*sigh* not another one...

Hey guys! Can someone give me link to download music that plays during F-22. I know that it is should be Tribal War from Black Hawk Down, but all versions that i found are different from this one. I need exactly this one. And Raptor is the best. Hope when russian air force start using t-50 USA will show us something new. Maybe King Raptor. I understand that cause i am from Russia. Sorry my poor english. Please help me with finding this beautiful music.

Whats the name of the first song?

modern warfare 2 theme right?

They can try to prove it against any Eagle first, then maybe they get to see what it feels like challenging a Raptor!!

i am Greek. all i know for sure is that Greece does not interfere in any country cause our own bussiness is in deep shit as Europes and Americas. our borders are in threat every single day! us people gotta understand asap that governments do not represent us anymore. whats goint to happen in the Middle East is something that we ve never ever seen before

@N1cholas240 it's according to many sources. Not just him.

so it flys....... and poses for pictures, IMPRESSIVE!!!!!

they make you think its a stealth fighter but its not.

@JVC7400 I meant Yak-141 LOL...and yes Lockheed Martin paid a good sum of money to get it going for their own gain not simply just make Yak-141 flyable again. Money was compensation for Russian know how.

are all of this can't be detected by a radar??? as far as i know the stealth that can't be detected by the radar is the nighthawk

i would pay for see a dogfight between the PAK FA and the F-22

@7732929 so what exactly makes this a fifth gen? i mean the US had the ea6b(first gen) f117(second gen) b2 (third) f22 (fourth gen) f35 (fifth gen) what has the chinese had other then this rediculously large craptaculair copy of the f22 and t-50

Well yes the Raptor is my favourite and its just a user name, so what I also like the F-35 and the T-50.

No I dont see what you mean please tell me.

actually it's a stealthed up Su-35 with a large deltoid wing.

@Tyco200 its out already . "russia already announced" THE WHOLE RUSSIA? why i missed that? f-22 is cancelled for good times and not on halt , 35 millions per combat plane - not worth it , also there is problems with plane itself. also search for yak 24

What part of hole don't you understand?

Ok theres 2 songs the first is something different the second song starts at 3:44 and its tribal war anyone know what the 1st song is?

Imitation is the highest form of flattery... LOL

No no, the PAK-FA is challenging the F-22. The F-35 is trying to get attention.

if lockheed gets its stuff right for the f35 it might just be a helpful fighter

it's amazing to me to see similair designs of america's advanced technologies out there in the hands of so called nemesis'. lets just hope all are on the same side when it hits the fan...either way no matter the advancement of the weapons its the hands that hold and control them that prove their value...

@DailyStaley Don't forget that Russia also took a "cheaper is better" approach during the cold war with their MiGs and T-72's, the general idea being if I have 100 and you have 1, chances are one of my 100 will take out your 1. We all saw the result of this mindset during the first gulf war when the Iraqi made T-72's were roundly beat by superior U.S. M1 Abrams. a good rule of thumb is that if somebody takes the cheaper is better approach to warfare, they are wrong.

@mikewilburn1 That's a big call. I'd say there's more in the operator than the aircraft when it comes to differences. Its role is air supremacy - where stealth is just one new component. The real test will come in close range combat < 2 nautical miles. Here agility and thrust to weight would be the advantages I'd want. Looks capable of some pretty high AOA maneuvers judging by the range of deflection on the leading edges ahead of the intakes.

The F22 crash was not a technology failure, but lack vector thrust experience on the pilot, I'm sure they have a new skin material out that's rainproof by now, there's always early glitches, Russia has them too trust me.