F-35 vs. J-20 | Thunderbird Pilot Reacts 

In DCS I often find it really useful when flying in a tactical situation to lock on to the friendlies I’m flying with so that I know exactly where they are. I wonder if real fighter pilots do this?

call me a nerd, but I love me delta wings - the Mirage was one of my first true aircraft fanboy moments - and being Aussie, had a thing for the f-111 Pig! The pilots doing fuel drops while screaming over the crowd and setting off car alarms with the sonic booms were always fun!

Just discovered this channel and subscribed! So much informative content for aerial combat enthusiast! Hope you could review as well the best and recommended Flight sim or games out there :)

Former F-35 crew here, the F-35 is a STOVL aircraft, or Short Take Off Vertical Landing. Tech data says vertical take off would cause the lift fan to blow debris down the intake and potentially FOD out the engine.

I got chills when you talked about the F35 helmet. I happened to meet a F35 driver and he showed me his helmet, from afar of course. When he explained how the camera system worked I got chills. It was very cool to see that super advanced helmet. It's even more exciting to watch these guys taking off and landing all day here in Yuma. Thank you for your take on each aircraft. It is pretty awesome to watch the F35 take off and land vertically with that large fan shroud open. Something to see for sure. Pretty cool to watch them take off at night also, the AB on take off rattles a few windows.

I was used to the F-16, but seeing the F-35 up close, its like a Lamborghini. It is just a magic aircraft in all ways.

My understanding is that the J 20 mission profile is to shoot down enemy tankers and AWACS BVR. It is never supposed to dogfight with other 5 gen fighters.

This has been really fascinating. Question, have you ever flown in the UK Wales called the Mach Loop?

Fascinating! Love it!

Just found the channel through this vid. Not even watched it yet and I have subbed. After you said former Thunderbird pilot. Saw the Thunderbirds at RIAT in the UK. Amazing

Another great video. Thanks

I just subscribed 👌🏾 Great vibe and energy 👍🏾👍🏾

The F35B is technically not VTOL it is STOVL - Short Take Off Vertical Landing. When fully loaded with fuel and weapons it needs a short runway (or carrier deck) to get airborne.

Love your videos. The energy of your presentations are what make them great. Keep up the great work!

I'm a fan of the Lightning II. I read there's now an F-35 aggressor squadron.

Casey I really love your channel man. Keep the content rolling. 👍🏼 🇺🇸

Airmen and naval airmen flying the F35: *zooming around doing cool maneuvers* Marine flying F35B: *Hovering and doing helicopter things in airplane* "Rah"

You talked about using the JHMCS. Can you do a video talking about the pros and cons of it with your experience? Other channels said they never really used it because it's heavy and the plane gives you enough SA. Did you use it a lot or just when the mission needed it?

Hello Be Jet Clean, hope y'all are doing well. I wish I could say the same but this video is awesome atleast!

I'd really like to have one of those F35 JHMCS helmets...you know for when I'm cruising in my Mustang Mach 1, so that I could have situational awareness?

Sorry for the two small bugs. In the previous news from China, the designers said that they had considered installing the WS-15 engine from the beginning of the design. The AL31F engine installed is due to the difficulties in developing the WS-15(it's still in research, PLAAF is using WS-10C to replace AL31F now.). The J-20 is a complete weapon only after the WS-15 engine is loaded. The 2D thrust engine was also not considered in the design of the J-20 because the designers believed that the aerodynamic shape was sufficient to meet the design goals of the J-20.

Watching your videos makes me want to join the marines or navy and become a pilot lol if only I was younger

I always enjoy watching these comparisons ! Well be it people or fighter jets A jack of all trades is always a cut above than a master of one. Its always very useful than something / someone is good at many things than excelling at just one task. Through this role the jet becomes irreplaceable & the most go to option. As usual you nailed it. 💕😊

Hey Ryan another nice video. It would be great if you would share some video of yourself in the F15E and Thunderbird so folks could see you flying. Just a suggestion. Have a great weekend and remember Aim High.

The J-20 does have the helmet mounted display and the sensor fusion technology with the distributed aperture system, similar to that of the F-35, giving the pilot much better situational awareness than the F-22. These combined with the high off-boresight (90 deg) and lock-on after launch capabilities of the PL-10, which is almost a generation better than the AIM-9X, are deadly in a within visual range fight. The canards make the aircraft statically unstable, without a FBW system, in return making it extremely maneuverable, especially considering the J-20 has a lower wing loading than the F-22. The PL-15 is another force multiplier compared to the AIM-120D. The real weak point of the early J-20 is the lack of a powerful and thrust vectoring engine, which is resolved in the J-20B. But in any case, even the baseline J-20 has much better thrust to weight ratio than the F-35, which the J-20 most likely will meet in the west pacific.

Love Aviation, love your presentations....full of energy, and insight.✈

Have you guys ever been on mission and did a barrel roll as soon as your out of visual range of friendlies? Or are you locked in to the mission or concerned what the flight recordings would show?

My buddy came up with a proof of concept to wrap his 35 helm, don’t know if his command let him do it or will lol. The 35 is badass, I love all the negative press. Nice comparison.

He seems like he would try to serve Ron Swanson veggie burgers lol. Awesome content!

The starting part where J-20 spoofing flares getting out of snowy cliff looks like taken from Top Gun 2 scene and then again there's TopGun 2 style maneuver. Is the video created by Chinese top gun 2 fans? The next time, we'll ask for J-35 vs F-35. Going to start work now, will watch this again tonight

Already dominated that like button, you know I got you my man…..holla! hahahaha

FYI its not Maverick's. It was originally called Pugachev's Cobra after Viktor Pugachev, Sukhoi Bueeau's chief test pilot who originated the maneuver. Let's represent the facts factually.

Great video. How about F-16 viper vs JAS 39 Gripen? Single engine, Super maneuverable shoot out.

As long as it’s not a dark electrical stormy night lol

Wait till the add the GE XA-100 Adaptive cycle engine. This will be a massive upgrade!

Lockheed Martin literally got their logo from a movie😂

"Mighty Dragon" just makes me think of Trogdor the Burninator........

What’s the performance difference between the A and C variants? I’d imagine with the larger wing on the C they would have a higher critical AoA?

Do we know how this canard works? As I recall, the Rutan canards were designed so that they stalled out at a higher speed than the main wing. So, as you approached a stall, the canard lost lift and the nose dropped, preventing entry into the full stall,

are those michelin tires on that F35 lol

Now I want to check out the original J-20 and F-35 videos. Can you please give a source?

I think that you will probably agree that, by far, the pilot is the most important factor.

It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on the f-15 ex as I've heard a lot of Arguments for why it is useless and a lot of arguments for why it is a cost-effective solution

How different are the avionics from one fighter jet to another what I mean is can you as a fighter pilot get into pretty much any fighter jet and fly it???…

OK, good !!!, Hope now to see the F35 helmet vid if you can?

How can you not like this video especially when you have to dominate that like button

The J20 primary mission appears to be that of an interceptor missile truck more like the mig31 than an air superiority fighter. It is big and not designed with maneuverability as its prime feature.

Would you say Fighter Pilots are the most exclusive special forces in the Military? There are fewer fighter pilots throughout the 4 branches than there are Tier 1 operators.

Hey Dude , good video, have you thought about doing a cross over interviews with Ward Carrol , as crew of the competing 4th gen super fighters . I'm going to go find your instagram 😎

GREAT VIDEO BROTHER! I like the J20, but i think a lot of unnecessary features on that plane, you mention a lot about bleeding energy.. i agree with that ... plus is it really a 5th gen? or more like a 4 gen Plus...? F35 is such a great multirole plane but did we really need a B model ?? I know all of us Marines love to stand out but... after all we didn't really use the AV8s that much when we had them... what do you think?

Can you create new information F 35 VS J 35? capabilities abilities and advantage in the combat and technical.

You have to factor in kinematics and payload. The F35 is somewhat underpowered because its a single engine fighter while the J20 despite having interim engines that aren't at the full potential has a better thrust to weight. This is going to make a big difference in BVR engagements when it comes outrunning and outclimbing missiles, and critical in within visual range engagements for obvious reasons. The J20 has one secret up its sleeve in that it does have a better long range missile with what can be carried on the F35, although against stealth targets all that would mean would be a higher hit potential at medium ranges due to better missile kinematics.

All branches and most mos in the military have thier own version of dope 😂

question...in TopGun Maverick they said the F-35 couldn't do the mission because of GPS jamming in the area, thus the f-18's had to go in Star Wars style. Is there any truth to that or was it just for the movie? Seems crazy that a simple jammer can shut down a multimillion dollar multi role fighter. If the answer is classified and u can't answer no sweat I don't need to know just curious.

Well, if the J-20 get damaged in a dogfight you can always can take it back to Walmart. Definitely a plus. You don’t even need the receipt.

Question: There's been a great deal of controversy around claims that the F-35 is over-engineered and cheaply designed. Obviously, a big part of the issue is that the US wanted a fighter that they could cookie-cutter copy and paste into any circumstance and expect it to perform (usually reduced quality outcome). Basically, it isn't really an improvement over the FA-18, F-22, or A-10 which it was intended to cover for. Any truth to the rumors?

I would like to see an F16 dog fight of you against Growlingsidewinder. I know you would perform better on an actual airplane because of your training, but without the g forces it would be very interesting to see how a very good enthusiast stacks against a real pilot.

The F35 would see the J20 before the J20 sees the F35. Game over.

@max afterburner What do you think about the performance of j20 in Zhuhai Airshow on 11.11?

What about a mig 21 fishbed vs f104c starfighter?

Next video: JC31 vs F35:))

Very nice

Maybe it is the overall shape of the J-20 fooling my eyes, but it appears to be very long and narrow. It just doesn't look like it would have very good pitch authority....regardless of the canards. I know that with new engines in development, it should gain thrust vectoring capability....but it doesn't seem to be an incredibly agile airframe. The thing is nearly 70 feet long. I think that it's main purpose is not as a fighter, but as an interceptor. I believe the Chinese want to use the aircraft to target tankers, AWACS, JStars, etc...and to reduce the effectiveness of our power projection in that manner. That is also likely why it is stealthy in the front aspect only...so it won't be as easily detectable when hunting the aforementioned assets. They better pray that there are no F-22s nearby providing cover for them, though.

I almost feel like this is comparing an off road race truck and a street super bike.

Sir, I beg to differ with you WRT the J20 vs. the F-35. The J20's wings are bigger, which means lower wing loading. Lower wing loading gives the J20 more lift, agility, and maneuverability. Hence, in a WVR dogfight, I'd put my money on the J20. Pierre Sprey, of the Fighter Pilot Mafia responsible for the F-16, said that high wing loading would doom the F-35. He said it was a turkey. To me, it's reminiscent of the F-111 program, where the brass try to make the aircraft do everything, while doing nothing particularly well.

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While I think on a stormy night lightning would hit lightning and burn it's airframe.

Now the WS15 vesion J20 is under testing

I wonder why china went for a delta wing style instead of the conventional style plane. I heard that conventional jets are preferred in larger countries such as the usa and Russia because they are more fuel efficient and smaller countries that are packed together like Europe has delta wing style because they don't need to travel as far to fight

Am i the only person who noticed some parts of the J-20 clips are computer generated images? I mean it looks real close to real, but if you look closely, you can see that animation is inserted, as well as some footage is sped up.

Did the Navy complain that it only had one engine?

doped=dialed in

No pilot wants a fair fight. You want an unfair fight, with you having the advantage… right?

Your next product should be called SA...I'm thinking cologne

The J 20 is basically thhe NATF-23

How do you think that the J20 would fare against the F22?

I'm not sure your contention that the canards makes J-20 stall nose up is correct. With fixed-canard aircraft, like the Rutan-style general aviation planes, the plane is designed so that the canard stalls first. That greatly reduces the likelihood of a snap stall, because the wing never gets a chance to stall. The nose will drop gently before that can happen. There are other low-speed dangers one can get themselves into. But, it's very difficult to actually stall the main wing. Since the main wing is always flying, the Rutan-style is inherently a very safe aircraft. With an articulated canard, like the J-20, the canards can be rotated to produce essentially zero lift at the front of the aircraft. So, it really can't inherently stall nose up, because the control software will almost certainly be written to prevent nose up stalls. If the software does allow the pilot to stall the aircraft, it will likely stall both surfaces at the same time. Also, if the plane does somehow get into a flat spin situation, rotating those canards will dump all of the lift at the front and change the balance of the lift much further back, so that the nose drops. That should allow it to recover from a flat spin, assuming there's enough altitude. The helmet-mounted-display does give the F-35 a big advantage in situational awareness. And, off-boresite engagement opportunities. But, if both planes enter the merge with energy-burning maneuvers, from that point, it's the plane with better thrust-to-weight that has the maneuvering advantage, right? At least, when neither plane has thrust vectoring, which is currently the case with both of these aircraft. The F-35 _probably_ still has the advantage because of the off-boresite shot opportunities. But, if the J-20 does have an acceleration advantage (I haven't looked it up) along with the nose authority of the canards, then a good pilot in that plane might be able to stay out of F-35's weapon envelopes, while also being able to line up his own shot. I'm making some assumptions, but, I don't think it's a slam dunk for the F-35. I did enjoy the video. I hope you don't mind my nitpicking 🙂

Hey Ryan, the NATO codename for the J-20 is: FAGIN.

To summarize, the J20 is an incomplete toy that is about as stealthy as the Beverly Hills Ninja. Couldn't agree more.

Lately I’ve been more interested in the J-20. I haven’t really given it the time of day but for some reason I have been more and more intrigued by its design and wanting to know more about its capabilities as it’s a pretty badass design

You're so cool and FUNNY!

Why f35 has canopy bow?

Ryan, do you play DCS? It would be cool to see more former fighter pilots get into this combat simulator. Ward Carroll has his normal RU-vid channel but will also launch a RU-vid and twitch channel committed to DCS. DCS from what I understand was officially used as a simulator platform to train A-10 pilots. Ward, a former F-14 RIO, I believe wants to form a fighter wing of retired guys F14, F18 guys which I am guessing will probably quickly become the bjggest DCS based RU-vid/Twitch channel out there. You asked awhile back how might the USAF match the Navy's ability to effectively recruit. Seems to me DCS makes for one hell of a platform, no? And Navy may already have a headstart.. to think in terms of making a 'Top Gun' like movie is fighting yesterday's battle. Think in terms of the times... the tools available to you now and how to use those tools to reach tomorrows fighter pilots. I would implor you to think of starting an Air Force fighter wing of retired guys on DCS. I think this could be an initiative that if sold properly by you, might command budget from USAF brass. This would be awesome. I'm a consultant, by the way... albeit unemployed. But I know a winner when I see one. ...See the win! All.my best, MMM

Gestern habe ich 5 PDFile Grichen getotet in 4 Etage Hollocost RAF Regime Laptops Positionen

In your life as a fighter pilot have you ever had a dog fight at night and is it even possible

I'm glad Canada finally put in an order for F35's. Glad to support the JSF program

Jet Clean, why don’t you make an air to air personnel DEODORANTS ? It could be interesting to hade this to your consumers offer. LOoOK! In 1968 over North Vietnamese, the temperature in my F-4 fantôme canopy was 115 degrees! All I wanted to have in this very moment was an AIR TO AIR DEODORANT. Ok…it will be for an otter story ;)

Do you think the Aurora is real?

If you don't want to hear all the history of the F 35 and J20 again, go to 16.20 on the time and you will get to the meat of this video.

F-35B is STOVL not VTOL

There's a new movie trailer just came out called "Burn to Fly" and thought you might be interested. Here's the video link. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-atBDuJBuKpQ.html

Ngl, battling a 5th gen requires a equal or overwhelming force like f22 vs a yf23. However, j20? I bet someone in a f15ex can rip that garbage upside down. Before you call me a racist i am a Chinese as well so lol

they aredy change the enjin..

Make the helmet video!! Make it!!!!

Christian Bale could play you in a Bio-pic.

I think the F35 is a all in 1 washer/dryer… it doesn’t do either the best. Therefore i really think the F35 is a terrible platform and a complete waste of money. It will get out flown, out manoeuvred and out gunned.

Enunciation of his 'S's' murder my ears. Amazing video however

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And Lockheed Martin just got $10.9B to upgrade the F-22.... we now have the F-22A Super Raptor which I'm told is the first functional 6th generation fighter.

absolutely F-35. Nothing is even close.