@windfall Why? Trackside advertising has been a part of the sport since day one, if it ruins your enjoyment of the race just look at the cars instead, it's really not a huge deal.
@@CyrilJanDacasin F1 onboard cameras do not have stabilization, they are glued to the car, Indycar cameras are on a gymball and can rotate, they are stabilized.
I'm following Liam Lawson in SF this year. Funnily enough he said it feels like a F1 car in the corners, so this video is spot on.. I'm looking forward to the next race in Suzuka. Usually the very best drivers rise to the top at that track.
Honestly it's because of the framerate and stabilization of the camera they're using. From what I can tell is that F1 is having a 60fps stabilized footage, while SF is using 30fps with little to no stabilization CMIIW
@@mclarenf101 new f1 car just too heavy , make the car looks very lazy in slow corner, but in this track not so bad, lighter car just feel and looks faster even slower lap time,hybrid era f1 keep adding weight year by year, but somehow still make the faster and faster, hope 2023 can make it faster in slow corner, i think 2020 got the faster f1 car in hybrid era.
@@bukwok 2020 is indeed the very peak in terms of outright lap times for F1, the new floor reg introduced in 2021 had lower the ceiling quite a bit, and with the ground effect car it was dropped off significantly, mostly just because of the weight, though.
Great comparison. Just quick remind that lap record for SFormula at Suzuka is 1'34.442 from 2020 by Nick Cassidy (probably no telemetry data for this one)
Discovered and fell in love with Japanese SF because of the assetto corsa mod of the car Amazing what that car does with so little power, and they prove that slower cars do indeed lead to better racing I hope F1 takes a look at their approach on the cars and learn, as much as F1 is about pure speed, they’re unnecessarily fast and if by lowering the lap times 2-4s we can improve the show, then I’m all for it
Excellently constructed comparison. With any of these comparisons we should remember that many of the TRs in F1 have the effect of limiting the vehicles' outright performance. That said, these comparisons are still fascinating to watch and taking any formula car to the limit lap after lap requires exceptional skill from the driver.
@@8888swatt I thought that's you meant, but you said it like it's unique to F1, which it isn't. Literally every category will be many many times faster there were no TRs.
@@Alan-ww8vi True but F1 does have the unique phenomena of hyper development and so sporadic rule changes aimed (wholly or partly) at slowing the cars down. But what you say was kinda my point; the cars will only go as quick as their formula regs will allow. I didn't mean performance limiting rules were unique to F1, I only meant it in the sense that the excellent video implied the F1 car was the performance bench mark for a formula car so I was just noting that even an F1car is performance limited by the regs. That all said it is still a cool video.
@@8888swatt Makes me wonder what a 919 Evo-style F1 car would be like. Considering the old regulations from 2017 - 2021 were the fastest ever in the history of the sport, maybe one of the teams should make an unrestricted car.
Simply the best comparison ever on this channel, A Japanese Formula Super car that is one of the fastest cars in the world, just below F1 in corners. And even more with telemetry. I loved this comparison, I'm totally happy after watching this very explanatory video, congratulations brother, it was an excellent video. Imagine these SF cars with a seventh gear, and a Drs, along with a Kers? with at least 700hp, I think these cars would match an F1 in pace
Well you have to remember the aerodynamics of these cars are also built with the capabilities of its speed and acceleration in mind. A drastic increase in horsepower would likely decrease the aerodynamic efficiency to an extent. Don't forget an F1 car weighs much more than a SF car and part of that is defo the hulk engine/minimum weight regulation
@@zCxtalystYes yes, you are absolutely right. More power could have aerodynamic implications on the SF, but I believe that if they added a DRS to these SF cars, they could be faster in the straights, without losing too much in the corners... The Japanese engineers are very good, They would create solutions to work around problems and maintain or even improve cornering performance.
If you did that these cars would race terrible. Their power x drag ratio is perfect, they are fun to watch. They don't need more power. They need more downforce to reach top speeds sooner and make more use of slipstream so they can race even better than they do now. They reduced downforce a bit but managed to reduce dirt air by a huge amount this year. They raced a bit better before tho. I wish they did the opposite and gave the cars more downforce instead. Dirt air is not much of a problem if you have enough drag to make slipstream more valuable.
The Yokohama tires are so much better than the Pirellis. Vandoorne mentioned in an interview how they could go an entire race on one set of tires because they still carried performance. If F1 tires werent so bad they would be flying. This limiting factor is a damper on the sport. Deserves more attention.
F1 wants a fast degrading tires, F1 asked pirelli to make tires that degrade fast, so thats what they got. Im sure pirelli could make a tire that lasts all race if they wanted to...
Not really... The Bridgestone tires of 2010 were capable of going the entire distance on some occasions, and pirelli stepped in from 2011 onwards with the request to make high degradation tires. This is what they want
@@foxy126pl6 degradation itself is not the issue, thermal degradation is. So comparison still stands. I doubt Pirelli would be able to do a tire that can go for the whole race pushing non stop without overheating given that even the harder compound can suffer from this.
Super Formula cars are surprisingly quick. Really impressive that it’s only 7 seconds given the engine deficit F1 desperately needs to go back to smaller, lighter cars tbh
Actually impressive downforce from the SF. Maybe a omparison had been between the a Williams and SF car would be even better because of lack of downforce, I think the straight-line speed is one thing but I think it would be close when it comes to downforce
One thing that you have to note is tyres . Tyres in SF are whey better then f1 tyres which definitely helps for cornering , also f1 has more downforce tyres are still the biggest factor in terms of grip . For me superformula are doing a mega job !
@@theindubitable The SF19 as the name suggests, debuted on 2019, so it's still a pretty young chassis for a "spec" series. (I know it's not a true spec series much like IndyCar but you get the gist of it).
Think also about the weight. F1 now is super heavy. 798kg minimum weight against 660 of SF. That’s a lot in terms of middle/slow corners. Also the 2022 gen cars are slower in general than before due to lack of complex aerodynamics and the limited floor effect/diffuser Great video!
What we need is a Super Formula World Championship in the same cars and some more engines, racing in Suzuka, Fuji, Monza, Imola, Spa, Silverstone, Portimão, Austin, Austria, Interlagos, Nürburgring, Sepang, Istanbul, Hockenheim, Paul Ricard old track layout, Le Mans Le Sartre, Monterrey Laguna Seca etc. With some drivers from FE like Vergne, Felix da Costa, Wehrlein, Nick Cassidy, Jack Dennis, Vandoorne, Mitch Evans, Sam Bird. Som Indycar drivers like Palou, Pato O'ward, Colton Herta, Alex Rossi, Josef Newgarden, Lundgard, Illot, Grosjean, Scott Dixon, Scott McLaughlin etc. Some young drivers from F2 like Iwasa, Jack Doohan, Enzo Fittipaldi, Teo Pourchaire, Victor Martins. Some forgotten F1 drivers, like Daniel Ricciardo, Filipe Druguvich. SF Liam Lawson.
One notable thing I noticed is how the Super Formula driver does not seem to be on top of his race line so much and doesn't attempt to corner as hard as an F1 driver would. He basically does not attempt to use the track limits so much.
That was a fascinating comparison. I knew Super Formula cars were rapid circuit cars but to come so close, and beat F1 in the slow and medium corners, shows how great these cars are. Great video.
Super Formula has the perfect power x drag ratio. It only needs more downforce on high speed corners so they can reach those top speeds sooner and make more use of slipstream. Their push to pass put the cars side by side perfectly rather than giving a free pass.
Syncing the two cars sector by sector was a smarter move than just showing the full laps. It's able to show the differences in the two cars that way. Though, adding the lap times of each car during the video would also help visualize the time differences better than just stating it in the captions
Excellent comparison mate. Thank you for this video. I have a request for you. Is there any way we can properly compare F2 and Super Formula cars? Since the chassis are almost the same and the power deficit between them is much lower (AFAIK F2 cars have around 650HP as opposed to SF cars' 550HP), I feel like a comparison between the two would be interesting.
SF will probably edge out F2 by a couple seconds since even though they have a deficit in horsepower the SF19 has more complex aero to produce more downforce which resulting to higher cornering speed. Keep in mind SF19 also has OTS system similar to IndyCar's system which give the car a few more horsepower which the drivers can use at any part of the track compared to F2's "limited" DRS zone.
F1 cars have been massively slowed down in the low speed corners for the last decade. Current cars are over 150KG heavier and much longer than the 2010 cars ( which had the most amount of downforce in the V8 era ). Obviously in the high speed corners they're unreal, but a lighter car is always much more fun to drive.
I wished that the double diffuser/blown diffuser era overlapped in the V8 era the downforce would have been insane I remember the 2010 Red Bull car taking Campsa flat at like 260kph my mind was blown incredible machine
The lap time of that Nojiri set 2022 Super Formula car is only 3-4 tenths off Michael Schumacher’s pole position lap time in the Ferrari which was a “1:35.825” during qualifying in the 2000 Japanese Grand Prix.
Didn’t realise SF cars were that quick compared to F1, despite the lesser power. Got to question spending so much to develop cars that actually aren’t that much faster, and with more power the SF car would be way closer.
I don't know for SF, but for F1 you can get it in MultiViewer for f1, he isn't using it in this video, but he has used it in others (including the one before this one)
amazing video, Super formula is not bad at all. bit more downforce and get a high revving high power honda V10 in there it would be just as fast as 2022 F1.
@@patrickr4762 it would need more than "a bit". Like 400hp more. And even then, with that extra power would come extra weight. It would take more than power to make them equal..
I think the first comment kinda sums it up: F1 cars have more HP hence they're faster hence it takes less time for them to cover all parts of the track. The effect being less pronounced in the corners.
We got SF19-23 and 1 F1 car in GT7. But I don't really know where to place the SF in the real Formula world. Is an SF car in the game closer to a real world formula car like the F2 in top speed. Just for the fun of it. I'm just trying to create a possibility to race timetrails on the few tracks GT7 has with real life F1 action. Great video btw. Thanks.
Yokohama is the tire supplier for SF and they just use two sets of compound which are Soft & Hard alongside a Full Wet tire for obvious wet conditions.
Super formula seems to be the all-rounder version in the open wheel series, the weight shift when turning to maintain both speed and grip gives it an overall better average speed than other open wheelers
@@jeffreylawler I'm saying compared to 2021, and about Monza and Jeddah, I'm not wrong. The difference was around 1 second. Actually less than 1 second in Jeddah. 2022 cars can be faster than 2021 in high speed corners
@@JotaV2502 it’s true for a few tracks that only have high speed corners. but for a majority of tracks this season they are much slower than the years before
A como mistake here, SF19 car has 640hp not 550hp, the 550 value comes from the older SF14 chasis and I dont wikipedia still hasnt uploaded that value.
Ni, more drivers should come from Super Formula and IndyCar into F1. Otherwise you'd have a potentially brilliant feeder series (practically speaking, not officially like F3 and F2 are) being wasted on retired talent
@@AdotLOM feeders are definitely not meant to be brilliant, they are simply talent prospecting for f1 or other high series. Indy car and super formula are their own Motorsport disciplines, not just feeders for f1.
I am 100% sure that a super formula car with F1-type power outputs can easily compete in F1, especially considering this isn't even the SF record for Suzuka, which is a 1.34.5.
Hi mate. Thanks for this comparison and analysis. Very interesting. I have a request. It would be possible to compare Super Formula with Formula 2. That would be almost on the same level. Thank you.
You said F1 has 950hp. They claim to be 850hp turbo ICE, 160hp electric, for 1010hp, 798kg. But realistically, after several years of development they are probably more in the 1050hp - 1100hp range. With that said, good for you Super Formula, LOL. 543hp, 660kg, and 7 seconds less at Suzuka? And at about half the horsepower? That's very impressive. Even F2 would be no where near as fast at Suzuka. And they have 620hp at 755kg. Awesome. I'm gonna start watching SF more often.
@@jash2622 I agree to some power loss, but they've been running E5 for several years now and the belief is 2-3 years ago they were at 1030-1050hp on E5. And from what I've read, and seen from analysists, is they believe all teams had more power from mid 2020 to the end of last year. From several years of engine development. ~1050-1070hp on E5. Maybe more, we really don't know. I'd agree with a 20hp average loss on E10. So they are probably back in the ~1030-1050hp range.
Think F1 cars have around 1050hp maybe slightly more now 1000hp is just the baseline figure Im sure any power loss from E10 would have been brought back with different mapping
Can i ask, Why Super Formula just didn't do like Indycar type of races that when u can race road course on modern cities like Tokyo, Osaka,Fukuoka and etc(and the road are very smooth as well compare to Indycar Road Course like St Petersberg,Detroit)this series is very competitive yet the calendar size is way too less. And other question is Super Formula can't expand to other countries just because of cost or is the name(the way I say name is because JGTC(Super GT) can't expand due to the name is National Championship and Cost, but after rename Super GT they do expand to Thailand and Malaysia(although these years might be impossible due to covid), why Super Formula can do the same with their counterpart?
Japan is reluctant to hold races with public roads closed. This year, Formula E will finally be held in Tokyo. In order to spread the word about SuperGT and Super Formula, we would like to hold the event on public roads. I think the reason why it is difficult to hold an event overseas is because not only the drivers but also the team staff work in both SuperGT and Super Formula.(Google Transration)
imagine that lighter, smaller SF layout brought to F1 then added 1000hp f1 engine (idealy simpler and lighter than current ones), DRS, get free hand on aero development, pirelly slicks and best drivers. Probably would be as fast if not faster than current ones. We would got smaller nimbler cars and better racing
Going off of just this video SF looks like it would be more interesting to watch. On a different note- I wish F1 could experiment more like they used to, there's way too many regulations =\
The main problem with modern F1 cars is their weight and this video once again shows that.. They are to heavy at 798kg minimum weight.. SF is 670kg.. That's a almost 130kg difference, which is huge in the racing world.. I hope F1 can work on making the cars lighter (and smaller) again in the future..
Oh damn, I remembered Tomoki Nojiri collided with Toshiki Oyu in this year's Suzuka GP of Super Formula, Oyu was looking at his sights for a pole-to-win, but Nojiri ruined it.
Very nice comparison. I liked SF cars. One question: why is the -7 gap against Max's name in a yellow color?) I guess it should be green if it's a gap in favor of Max Verstappen
I'm not sure the conclusion that F1 is much better in high speed corners is as obvious: Super formula doesn't reach as high speeds as F1 before fast corners. The acceleration might be the limiting factor in high speed corners. E.g. Superformula reached 130R at 279kph and basically didn't loose any speed going through the corner. We can't know if it would be able to do the corner at 300kph as well if only it had a more powerful engine to get it to that speed before the corner.
