FAA Proposed MOSAIC - A Game Changer for General Aviation? 

Medical, medical, medical. FAA’s view of ADHD, mild depression, etc., and the medications that counter these issues, is set in the Stone Age.

Why not just get rid of the class 3 medical for PPL and just call it a day? Add class 3 for instrument/multi engine add Class 1 for anything making money. I appreciate the changes but we don't need to reinvent the wheel

Thank you very much and this directly impacts me as a student pilot pursuing a Sport Pilot certificate. I was so hindered by Light Sport plane availability in my state and surrounding states.

I agree that we want to have comments that are more or less unified. However, individual comments are important. As someone who wrote, interpreted and enforced regs for 12 years there are two very important things to keep in mind: 1) While the FAA will be under no obligation to agree with the commenters or incorporate changes based on those comments, very large numbers (tens of thousand s or better yet hundreds of thousands) of similar comments suggesting similar revisions to the proposed rule will make it much harder for the FAA to ignore those comments. 2) Copy and paste comments don’t carry nearly as much weight as individually written comments. Yea, comments by aviation organizations are important, but so are large numbers of comments from pilots and aircraft owners making well reasoned arguments about what a change makes sense are vital to show broad support and consensus for a change. Please take the time to submit comments in your own words, and to give specific examples.

As a current sport pilot student, and future airplane owner. This is exciting to hear, and watch move forward.

I'm 54. My closest LSA school is 3.5 hrs one way. With these new "rules" there is going to be a game chance. Now I can finish my training in a 172, and the closest GA training school is just 20 minutes away. I don't see myself doing any night or IFR flights, but it is good to have some hours in case. It is better to be safe than sorry.

MOSIAC (modernization of special airworthiness certification) I’m hoping the changes will make it easier to operate and maintain vintage aircraft and keep them from dying on the vine.

Having been a CFI since the '70s, and an airline pilot since the mid '80s and this is the best news I have heard from the Feds... They developed an image of the bad guys, and the Mosaic plan has the opportunity to change that perception if it's executed properly. Well done, EAA!

The MOSAIC proposed changes open up the topic of aircraft insurance coverage for some of the higher performance aircraft being flown by a sport pilot. That insurance coverage may need to increase rental rates, not decrease them.

i can't wait for MOSAIC... i just got my sport checkride and the fact i can now use a 4 place plane (when it comes online) is a game changer, im contemplating not "upgrading" to a full private now and just holding off for sure... the only thing i wish is that they would allow one more pax and that way i can take my missus and my kid and not have to pick between the two :D cus you know we all know how that one works lol

i can barely hear the planes nor wind. that’s awesome. keep the oshkosh videos coming. thanks

Great conversation, I may be too old to take advantage of any of this but I sure enjoy hearing that younger generations have great things to look forward to.

Great info, and yes, I'm definitely interested in learning more about MOSAIC.

Thank You EAA and FAA

Hello from Minnesota!! Really fantastic interview!!

Great interview guys!

Very interested in light sport, and any changes that will usher in a greater deal of modern safety and accessibility will be most appreciated.

I wonder what they consider "affordable" Cessna 172's new are around 500k, vans RV's can be around 300K, My Zenith I am building right now is at about 100K, the avionics and engine are the single biggest cost.

Good job FAA!!! Your finally doing something right and working in conjunction with the EAA more.

Thumbs up for the topic 😊

I'm just going to go along with the herd on this one. YAY MOSAIC!!!

This is very good news for GA, still in shock really.

Best news out of the FAA since Basic Med. I would like to see aircraft manufacturers focus on Basic Med compatible aircraft and less on the current LSA. This may end up being a good compromise. I would really like to see a kit or manufactured aircraft capable of carrying 6 FULL SIZED adults + full fuel + cargo. Seeing as a PA-28-235 (which I currently fly) has a useful load of 1400 lbs and max gross of 2900 lbs, I think a 6 pax aircraft with 2800 useful load and gross weight under 6000 lbs should be feasible.

Great Presentation.. *Please Please guys,* have something forward as a suggestion in support of MOSIAC, without having to read all 300 pages of it. I'm on page 80, and there needs to be a concise and well planned response to the Feds during the NPRM period.

These can be wonderful changes for sport aviation

We keep going in circles with Light Sport, Recreational, and Private Pilot.

Bring the cost of airplanes down?, never happen. When LSA was first proposed, manufacturer's claimed you'll be able to buy a brand new LSA for around 40 grand instead of an old 40 year old airplane. When LSA finally passed, LSA prices started at about double that and continued to climb. Today, you have many LSA's in the 250-400 grand range, sure, you have a few cheaper ones, but they lack the options that most buyers wanted and demanded. Now, your talking more robust airframe, more safety features etc., that is only going to drive prices up. Don't bullshit people with lower cost, didn't happen then, won't happen now and they know it.

1. Weight from 1320lbs to 3000lbs 2. Speed from 120knots to 250knots 3. Retractable gear 4. Constant speed prop 5. Turbine engines 6. 45 knots to 54knots 7. Night flight 8. Helicopters 9. Air work for hire

Excellent episode Dan and Christy. MOSAIC is really intriguing. It would be great to have access to newer, more advanced aircraft for training, all with a lower cost. Thank you for having these two gentlemen on to really break down the proposed rule and how it will affect us. Keep up the excellent work. Safe skies my friends 🇺🇸🛩️

Hell yeah! EAA working overtime for pilots!

👍✅ Great interview about an interesting future.

Great content…

I am an ATP rated pilot, but I'm excited to see how this translates to opening up the market for more obtainable modern aircraft. I'd love to have a quick efficient light plane that I could zip around in.

Here UK we need this. My Tomahawk and other light aircraft subject to annual C o A. Cost equivalent is $4000 up. C of A used to be every 3 years. These yearly costs are killing flight training.

Do you foresee any updates for part 103 as result? would be great to allow a few pounds for more fuel and enclosing fuselage. up to 10gal ??

Nice. My nephew got his sport lic about two years ago this is great news for them. I’m just surprised the FAA is on board.

Could you please dedicate a video to discussing the FAA's latest medical views on diabetes, color vision and medication stances as well as any changes to medical classes and standards and what impact MOSAIC will have on them?

There seems to be confusion on the stall speed limit. Is it Vso or Vsi? I've seen summaries that identified Vsi. It makes a big difference, but an puzzled at shy Vsi, when Vso seems more logical.

Great conversation guys 182’s and bonanza aircraft are gas guzzlers. I’m more interested in the more efficient vans and other bp equipped aircraft like risen etc. Problem is they are a bit faster and stall a bit faster. I’d like to see the stall speed changed to include all available wing configurations / flaps.

Dan millican: which model of FE sunglasses are you wearing? Lens type? Looks great..thanks

My jabiru is ifr equipped…. Full glass …. It’s about time….

That 10,000 MSL limit is ridiculous for people living in the Rockies (especially students at klxv)

The stall speed bring VS1 will exclude a ton of aircraft that should otherwise be included

As aLSA pilot i feel a rule should be made that allows a Sports Pilot to fly with a max of 3 Plus 1 persons ( the pilot). I proposed that after initial training a SP could fly with 1 passengers, after 100 hour he/ she can fly with 2 passengers up to 3 passengers.

Trying to understand how this will impact me. I've got my PPL cert and will be looking to buy in the future.

This will be great. There are three big problems that are critical to the future survival of light GA that are not being addressed: 1.the available pool of legacy aircraft are being destroyed at a rate of 10 to 20 per month. 2. The cost of fuel is increasingly prohibited every year 3. Insurance and financing costs have increased dramatically, if you can get it . What are the aviation organizations doing to address this Also- as you mentioned - impossible to get an a and p or IA

I am a complete newcomer to aviation. I have a simple question that maybe the new mosaic changes will address. Can I build my own aircraft, like a KR2S, and put digital displays in it and use it for IFR flight training?

Most happy with this development. Now just wish the altitude rule just lined up with PP VFR rules, even if on an endorsement basis. In the mountain west it makes cross country easier certain times of the year. The thermal induced turbulence is just too much in a Skylane, imaging flying something half the weight. Adding a couple thousand feet can make a difference.

What about using alternative non certified engines in certified aircraft to make it more affordable

If it goes through, the EAA, Dan Johnson, and others deserve an applause. I am suspicious.

I donno, many of those EVTOLs look like death traps. Many with flight time only measurable in minutes.

7:30 thats sucks. From what i read they were including that just with training. If someone needs to get their medical theyre just gonna go for their private. The aopa worded it youd just need to get endorsement, which i figured was just to make sure current sport pilots dont just think they can fly at night without being trained.

Will a person holding a Repairman Light Sport Aircraft Certificate be able to do a condition inspection on an EAB aircraft that meets the qualifications for a light sport airplane?

let us not forget that we are "not there yet". The FAA has a history of screwing things up that were "elegant in there simplicity". Yes, I'm talking about Basic Med. Even though it has helped many people, it falls light years short of the game changer it was intended to be. This time lets get it right.

Crazy. I own @ 2007. Jabiru. I can do the annual on it . Work on it.. it’s got a full glass panel auto pilot Hence it’s complex…. But my 1947. Luscombe I can’t do the annual on it …. It can be flown in the light sport category.. it doesn’t have a radio. Not required. It’s a much simpler than my jab ….

So, you own a cessna 172, certified aircraft, you can now fly over 10,000 ft. If this passes the same 172 is considered light sport and will then be limited to flights only under 10,000 ft? Or will it be able to be flown over 10,000ft so long as the pilot still has a minimum private license with 3rd class or Basic Med.?

So as an enthusiast, my target is sport pilot certification. If I had gotten the cert, I would not be able to fly too many aircraft. With this, if the planets align and I win the lottery, I could get my cert and rent a 172 to fly to DC to visit family. Until then, it will always be a dream.❤

Would a holder of a Private Pilots license certificate be able to operate a light sport aircraft without the light sport pilot restrictions? These are areas of confusion I've heard about.

We need 61kt stall makes a safer aircraft in wind and we need 14,000 feet msl and more altitude above a mountain. I fly my c150 with o320 at 12500/13500 or up to 14000 ifr.

I'll be happy if they make a 152 a LSA.

Dumb question but as a private pilot should I also be getting excited about MOSAIC? Will it have a broader impact beyond expanding the airplanes that sport pilots can fly? Edit: okay lol right as I submitted the comment at 24:00 he mentions benefits for private pilots in terms of bringing airplane costs down but not clear how/why? If anything I’d expect it to further increase the price of “legacy” aircraft like 172s/182s and for new planes … well new planes will always be expensive and if now LSAs can be more capable than I’d expect the increased capabilities to come at an increased cost.

I believe the air-cam might fall In the new multi engine light sport rule.

These are great changes. But as we've seen previously, the insurance companies will throw a wet blanket over everything for a few years.

Why 54 knots I'm wondering? Just make it like an even 60 clean? How about after so many hours more pax allowed? Why not fly night & ifr on a sport pilot with proper training & rating. It might be a good saftey factor if you run inadvertantly into imc or get stuck on top. whats the difference if you have a medical or not? So they can say see told you! like no pilots with a medical never have had a medical issue! And then they'll be able to find your wreck easier in nice weather in the daytime? Lol

4:40 in and you still haven’t explained MOSIAC. Always start your interview with a definition of what it is then go into your explanations and caveats . This is a rookie interview.

So... If I have an LSA now - I can jump in a 182 (with fixed prop and gear) and carry 41 person with only 20 hrs training... This washes out the need for PPL (I understand there will be "add ons" such as night, complex, etc.). I think this will make a fantastic justification of the the parachute option on the Cirrus "standard issue" for all LSA. (average hours for PPL is 70 hours training and

Why a 10,000 ft limit? As a light sport pilot I’m required to fly VFR. As a VFR pilot, I’m supposed to fly even thousands plus 500 on a westerly heading. So my westerly altitude limit is effectively 8,500. Dumb. This makes cross country through the mountain states dangerous.

I have always wanted to get my license and looked into LSA but was told I am too large to fly those small aircraft. I cant afford a private pilot nor can I get a medical certificate because of my color blindness but I can get an LSA. This new rule would allow me to use a bigger LSA class aircraft that I can fit in and get flight training.

Josh really has a way of getting into everyone’s videos huh? 😂

The only way this makes GA more affordable is if experimental manufacturers ramp up production to these new limitations and lower their prices. Otherwise, this only massively increases the demand side of the equation and leaves supply where it is at. Also, I really don’t understand the draw of a sport pilot certificate (other than being slightly cheaper than a PPL, but you’re flying anyway, so not sure I see a downside there). Not intended as a criticism, I really do not understand. With basic med available for PPL, and with a sport pilot certificate probably being nearly just as hard and expensive as a PPL, why even get one? And now, it seems that in general flying as a sport pilot will be nearly indistinguishable from flying as a ppl with basic med. Maybe I am missing something?

LSA Helicopters!

Great news for some of us who aren't willing, or able, to make it past the AME and can't get or keep our PPL

Pilots *will* want to make public comments on this rule. The 54 knot maximum Vs1 flaps up speed is a bit arbitrary. For example, the semi tapered wing PA-28s like the PA-28-151 (50 kts) and PA-28-181 (51 kt Vs1) will qualify, while the PA-28-140 (Vs1 of 56 kts) will not. Similarly the Cessna 182 will qualify (Vs1 of 54 kts) but the essentially similar and if anything easier to fly PA-28-235 will not (Vs1 of 56kts).

There is a problem if a Cessna 182 would fall under the Light Sport category.

This will only drive cost up. Also I own a beech Musketeer which will be excluded because of the stall speed. Follow the money.

Definition of $ 😊

GA accident rates increase in 3…2…1

Why would MOSAIC change the certification of an existing normal category airplane and turn it into an LSA after MOSAIC? I thought LSA and Experimental are basically self certified and not FAA certified like Normal or Utility category airplanes? IMHO, Sport pilots will continue to be limited to only flying LSA aircraft with SPL limits and PPL holders will benefit from more capable LSA aircraft.

"The Federal Aviation Administration, or N.A.M.B.L.A. , has announced a proposed change..."

This would cut my commute by 50 miles to go fly. You cant find a light sport.

Well folks, it's been 2 weeks since this segment aired. EAA has had multiple opportunities to engage its members on subjects concerning MOSAIC, but what we're seeing is a silencing behavior as evidenced from this episode of Taking Off. EAA does NOT want the public communicating concerns to the FAA, and they do NOT want general discussions which would bring concerns to light and possibly compromise MOSAIC from moving forward. But why? Is this how you advocate on behalf of your members? Is this what building support looks like? Trust us? This bill needs to be SLAMMED through... but why? Why is it so risky to discuss and debate this with members in the next 90 days? Why is EAA collecting input into a black hole instead of sending that input to the FAA directly? Surely the FAA can interpret misunderstandings and clarify the MOSAIC pitch... if EAA won't. Unless there are real risks built into MOSAIC they don't want to be discussed publicly? This is wrong. This is not advocacy or representation, and we ought to seriously ask EAA why they're trying to gaslight everyone into keeping hush hush about mosaic for 90 days until we publicize our questions and debate the possible negative outcomes that could take over. I think playing devils advocate in a public setting isn't the worst thing in the world. Tell me about the risks you're so afraid of coming to light. Tell me what you think might stall this legislation. I have a few thoughts as to what those might be. But why are we trying to cover them up? People are going to really be reeling if this plays out in the wrong way. EAA will have to answer to everything negative that could come from MOSAIC, however little or however large the outcomes might be. These might be apparent immediately, or some of these issues might materialize over the next decade or two. What's the elephant in the room here? That EAA plans on "fixing" the gaps as a follow-up bill once it poses a public threat? Perfect is the enemy of good enough, so slam it through? Lack of transparency and discussion is pretty amazing. I'd like to see EAA scheduling weekly webinars to discuss and debate the concerns during this comment period to get things right. Until now, the biggest change to aviation seems to have been designed behind closed doors with a select few vendors and titles? That's not how these changes should work. What they're doing is that they're collecting all of the members thoughts and comments in a black hole, sitting on those comments, and then trying to wisk MOSAIC through without debate. I'm sure glad EAA knows everything. Are they trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the FAA, or pull the wool over the eyes of the EAA members? The question is... who do they think poses the most risk? Something sounds like it's going to get a lot more expensive. I don't see any path to reducing the cost of flying in this bill, unless it includes buying a new quarter million dollar LSA from one of these vendors. Unfortunately, I'm still lacking any understanding of how MOSAIC will impact GA "most significant impact to GA in decades" as stated in closing arguments here. If you're flying GA part 23 certified aircraft, under MOSAIC, it might become harder and harder to maintain, more expensive to find parts, and less common than just buying a new LSA certified under MOSAIC. Basically, part 23 airplanes will end up in the junk yard, so buy new LSAs! Is that the pitch? These are SOME of the questions we need to discuss as an industry. If EAA was serving its members properly, we'd have weekly webinars to debate these concerns with the FAA publicly. Instead, we get this nonsense. This is not advocacy. They know what's missing. What's missing is applying the MOSAIC principles to the entire GA part 23 fleet day 1. That's what missing. That'll never happen. So just say so. Things are going to get expensive very quickly now.

Who wins the voucher for a fresh haircut?

This HAD to happen. GA needs as many new pilots as possible to keep the industry going.

Very disappointed that MOSAIC failed to assist Vintage CAR3 aircraft. Our aircraft are being orphaned by no factory support, Old STCs that are no longer supported, No one will invest in new STCs and more. VARGA/AC23-27 doesn't allow enough room to install new safer parts being designed in the market place today. Let's Face it, a 1946 Stinson 108 is NOT going to be used for Commercial operations, and if it ever was a separate inspection would be required for say Part 135 or something. Our aging vintage aircraft need a new certification class that allows owners to install newer safer parts, like tailwheels, gear, engines, props, exhaust more like experimental. It's just PLANE unfair that experimental can bolt any DANG thing they want onto their aircraft and fly in the same NAS as CAR3 but CAR3 can not make any of the same modifications. some certified aircraft do not need certified avionics or TSO's equipment because those standards didn't exist. So no the LSA pilots will have better opportunities but vintage will not. Im very disappointed, but I will add comments to the NPRM and HOPE that the FAA reconsiders Vintage being included.

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This is just more of the f a a coffeehouse crab. They just have to make it look like they're doing something when they're really not.

So the baking tin pterodactyl with 1940's engine and the Ford Anglia yokes as well as the bicycle gear trim wheel is now LSA? Cessna was dying as it should, now this life line? it could be worse, you could be in a 310, about to die as you probably will. The non-certified innovation will never be overtaken.

I was more impressed when Mosaic was modeled after the canadian plan (lightening the restrictions on GA to be more like it was in the 70-80s. (allowing non certified equiptment, an A&P doing the annual, (with the restriction once you go Mosaic - the plane could never be used commercial (training or for hire).

Sport Pilot doesn't make sense - neither did Recreational Pilot, why not just go for Private Pilot and not have the restrictions?

All GA needs now is a company that wants to build cheap aircraft by the thousands. If you look at the models available today there is nothing that has been designed as a trainer. Somebody needs to get in their computer and whip one up because there is a lot of money to be made.

Why not just eliminate the Class 3 Medical? A grossly overweight grandpa that hasn’t seen a doctor in a decade or gotten a DUI recently, can legally drive a 26,000# moving truck or a van full of children heading south on a narrow road with an 18-wheeler heading north in the adjacent lane during a snowstorm. How is this less of a risk to others than a 70 year-old retired airline pilot that had a heart attack 3 years ago flying a 172 with 2 friends?

Get rid of basic med date it kick me out of flying last 10 years there's no light sport aircraft in 100 miles for rent. The new rule will help but 2 years away and the way insurance is getting don't look good for us new retired guy's

Don't hold your mikes in front of your mouths, hold them below...

Sorry. I couldn't make it past the first five minutes. One of your "authorities" said that a Cessna 150 isn't robust enough for flight training - so right away he's an idiot. Then he proceeded to talk about avionics - not aircraft. The rule is about aircraft. And I don't want to listen to the EAA tell me how THEY made this happen all by themselves. That guy was talking like the EAA was the rule making authority not the FAA. Give me a break. I clicked on this to find out what was included in the new proposed rule - not to hear big shots pat themselves on the back. I'd been going to read the full thing anyhow, but I'd hoped Taking Off might make it easy for me. So sorry to see that wasn't the case. Maybe next time

I really feel this is going to kill some people. A low time pilot has no business buying a complex, high performance aircraft.

Useless! I can't afford a decent plane anyway. 100 to 400k for an airplane??? Just giving up and going ultralight! Min training, cheap hourly, and brand new under 30k! Not FAA fault. Greed is at fault!

GA has way too many accidents the way it is. Opening up the rules is only going to put inexperienced pilots into bigger/faster AC. Not a good thing.

So it’s looking for a short cut to fly. Just get your private or don’t fly. Be prepared for more fatalities.

Get to the point.

Explain to me the difference between an incapacitated pilot in a 3000 pound aircraft and an incapacitated pilot in a 12,000 pound aircraft. They’re both flying missiles regardless. This is more ridiculousness.