I brought a diesel when they said the particulates were heavier than air so not a threat to the environment they must have got that info from the university of Chris twittie They told us that we should buy a log burner because it's ozone neutral because when the tree is alive it sucks in carbon and saves the planet That info must have come from the valance institute of miss information
Yep...and the latest one is that AI exists. It DOESN'T exist. There is no intelligence when it is all pre-programmed. It cannot make it's own decision.
Jeremy Vine hosted a similar programme on BBC Radio2, full of guff and inaccuracy . Quentin Wilson a very experienced motoring journalist was a guest and did a fantastic job of tearing through the BS and pointing out all the fallacies while not shying away from the challenges.
This electrifying video is also biased by playing down comparisons. For example at 7:00 he says electric is heavier to comparable petrol/diesel, not by much. If you take the volvo comparison of their comparable EV versus petrol the electric is over 300kg heavier than the petrol. That's the weight equivalence of having five(60kg) permanent passengers when empty. 'not by much' ? Is this a case of calling out the inaccuracies only to spread your own biases? The biggest problem with (battery)electric cars is that the technology is far less suitable for long range journeys compared to petrol/diesel cars. Carrying a huge(and heavy) battery that can power your household for over two days just to achieve a range of the lowest range comparable petrol car, is a problem. The problematic charging is an indication of the excessive battery required.
We live in a rural hilly area and even my wife's electric bike does only half the quoted mileage. Local electric drivers also quoted loosing another 15% of distance during the cold snap + a lack of fast chargers make it harder to justify running an electric car in rural areas.
Rent a Tesla for a week and do a road trip in it (even if you don't intend to ever buy a Tesla), it's the best way to dispel all these myths you keep clinging too to stop yourself taking the EV plunge. I've driven 1000 mile a day road trips in freezing conditions clear across America and Canada, there are challenges for sure, and you are smart enough to solve them.
@@brushlessmotoring But here in the UK the price of electricity has hit record highs and still set to keep going up a lot more. And who can actually afford to buy an electric car, only the wealthy, people in high paying jobs, so an awful lot of people here in the UK won't be able to afford to own a car anymore in the near future, unless the price of electric cars and electricity comes down a lot
@@fredatlas4396 it was a temporary price spike due a rise in natural gas prices, and EV prices are coming down, with Tesla reducing their prices, and cheaper EVs coming into the UK from Asia, which in turn will lower the used market. I don’t disagree it’s expensive for now, but it won’t always be like that, EVs are much simpler, and have the potential to be much cheaper to buy. They are already much cheaper over a short span of time. UK charging has to get better though, it’s very spotty and unreliable at the moment.
there is a thing called regen that recoups some energy when going DOWN the hill, rural area pah, don't you have electricity there ?? Most EV's can see more than 200 miles.
They literally had to ask people in California not to charge their cars because the grid couldn't cope with the demand. This is only the beginning what about when everyone has them
So you've watched this correction video and decided to ignore what the National Grid guy said. The very person who works for the very grid that you think will collapse.. I guess you know something he doesn't, I mean, he only works there.
@@mev202 So, when is national grid actually going to increase capacity? Right now it's nowhere near capable. Remember things like World/Eufa football matches/Wimbledon etc when national grid asked people not to put the kettle on all at the same time? A kettle, 2kw for 5 minutes, not an EV at 7kw for 8 hours.
Come to Australia...largest market input of rooftop solar PV, batteries being taken up also. I charge my EV for free every other day. With PV/battery. As for grid falling over, there is so much solar input energy companies have floated idea of turning off solar input on sunny days in summer as as to not overload the grid with free energy. As for RV range anxiety 2 years ago I drove it 2400kms and learned range anxiety is B's if you plan the trip. E V's now driving around Australia using existing charging infrastructure.
I had a Peugeot 206E up until last year. Got rid of it because it would do half the miles it was supposed to do and every time I went to go and charge it there was a problem with the chargers I ended up trading it in for fiesta hybrid, the charging infrastructure just isn't there yet and it won't be for another 10 years or so. Getting charge at the moment can be hard enough but so imagine what it's going to be like when more than 50% of the population are driving. EVs.
Tesla is opening up their chargers, never had an issue charging a Tesla - but did have issues with a Mercedes EQC. I do agree the infrastructure needs more work, but rather than go back to gasoline, a lot of people go for a Tesla.
Unfortunately many new owners to EV’s do not realise there is a difference in manufacturers quoted figures and real world figures for EV’s also summer and winter makes a difference. It’s a shame they do not seem to complain about the mileage figures quoted for Fossil fuel vehicles in the same way. I have never purchased a fossil fuel vehicle that could match the mileage figures quoted for it at Dealership. Should I have sold them because of it? As to the infrastructure I would have to agree, it simply is nowhere near where it needs to be but it is slowly getting there, problem is it’s too slow. Where I stay the amount of public chargers has more than doubled in the past couple of years but still way behind where it needs to be. It is not unusual for many Owners to be like myself and very rarely use the public network. My EV has a high range and most of my driving is local so charging at home is what I do 99% of the time. Even when I do travel away for weekend I may need a public charger but more than not my car can achieve our away journey without the need for a charge before returning home. ( we travel in excess of 270mls in a weekend) having the public charging network is required but not every EV user will use it often but it still needs to be there.
Is the fiesta 'self charging' as advertised or are you having to put petrol in it to make it work? Surprised you only managed to get 100 miles out of the Peugeot, must have a very heavy right foot and be slamming the brakes on to avoid getting any regen
When guy was talking about invention of electric vehicles he meant this sudden urgency from governments to push for electric vehicles. How many people believe that their government is there to represent ordinary people and not their rich buddies?
Nothing like twisting what someone said though is there, and your spot on 10 years ago the Diesel engine was the new clean revolution. What do we think will happen when electric cars fall out of favour in the next 10 years?? Got to do 70000 miles before you break even on the extra Co2 to produce the electric car in the first place. FACT from Volvo, not me. Like most people here I know nothing about cars, other that a V8 sounds bloody good!!!
Love this. If we could rewind time to when the first combustion engines came out I bet you would find the same thing. Horse Owner "Well you can't find any fuel for your car where as my horse just eats grass and there's lots of that about"
Yep, the funny part is that the anti EV brigade say that there are no chargers while posting such comments from a device charged from domestic power. (Yes yes I realise that not everyone can home charge at present but there's plenty of electricity about.)
@@MikeHarveyPhoto I don’t think anyone in their right mind would want to buy a non electric car in 7 years time. You’d be hard pressed not to buy electric right now.
45 minutes is a heck of a long time to refuel a car compared to 2 minutes for an IC car. And that;'s assuming you can find a working charger that isn't already in use.
My faithful old 1990 VW Passat still has its original 1.6 Turbo intercooled diesel engine and came as standard with a 25+ gallon fuel tank. At a steady 60mph it does 55mpg. This gives a range of 1375 miles between fill ups, that's also nearly 23 hours of non stop motoring if i could stay awake that long. My satnav tells me my home here in the Black Country, West Midlands is 1154 mikes from Warsaw. 1209 miles from Budapest. 1310 miles from Kosovo. 1315 mikes from Stockholm. 1359 miles from Naples. Any destinations above are achievable on one tank of diesel, and without any need to stop for fuel. All that said, if I could have purchased a current modern electric car back in 1990 instead of my Diesel VW Passat, how many sets of batteries would i have gone through in the past 33 years? Even if a set lasted 10 years I'd now be on my 4th set. So, 33 going forward, how many of the currently available electric cars will still be on the road in 2056 to run alongside my old Passat which will still be cruising along at 60mph.
You don't say the mileage of your old Passat, just it's age. How many fuel injectors, glow plugs, fuel pumps, leads, gearboxes, engine internals, fuel filters, air filters, oil filters, oil, coolant changes, drive shafts, CV joints and gaiters, exhausts, exhaust boxes, starter motors, alternators, hydraulic systems and pumps? Diesel is way more expensive than electricity for a vehicle. There are solar power roof tiles, your whole roof can be a solar powered charger. This system can have storage batteries recycled from old vehicles to store the power. The very famous they RU-vidr Marques Brownlee has done this with a new Tesla roof and battery installation. It powers his car, home, kitchen, heating, cooling, everything. Zero power from the grid Very soon it will be affordablev for everyone to have their own solar power and storage without the need for very costly petrol or diesel. We are seeing Dirty Oil fighting for its survival. Used electric cars are below £3k. Cost less than 2p/mile on cheap electricity. We just need to keep the scum away from owning our electricity services.
for sure they know much better than anybody else :). We don't have enough electricity production. And EV sales are not going well at all actually. VW scaled down their EV production because of lack of demand. But these "self-absorbed" liberals know better for sure... These people are the reason we are in such a horrible mess... Can we get normal people into power, please?
I'm not sure you could expect anything factual from many TV and Newspaper journalists and that programme is no different! Research just isn't on their agenda because they would be unable to sensationalise their stories. Sadly, however, there is a very large proportion of the population believe them. Please keep up your excellent work (and research!) Videos such as this should be made widely available (perhaps on the Jeremy Vine Show!😃)
Sadly it is true that electric vehicles is a con. You have to realize that our grid not able to cope with even half of citizens driving electric. And funny thing is that nothing is done to improve grid. Have you seen any improvements going on now? Another point is what do we burn to get electricity? UK restarted 2 coal plants to keep us going. Another coal plant is in plans. One more thing. Efficiency of electric vehicles. From the source of electricity to the wheels you have around 14 to 17 percent left. One thing that can save us is nuclear power plants that are cleanest and cheapest source of electricity but that means going to russians since rosatom is nr1 company in the world to build safest and cheapest nuclear power plants.
So the whole world is wrong and only EV fan boys are right ? Rubbish EV's abd their infrastructure are being found out as an inferior alternative to what went before, end of !
There's something that nobody ever mentions and I suppose a lot of people don't understand... probably the people to whom a car is just as interesting as a washing machine is to me. Its a thing that serves a purpose, to get to work and back and no more. But I enjoy driving my car. There are some who would shake their head in disbelief to hear that sometimes i drive it just for the sake of driving it and not specifically to go somewhere. I have motorbikes too, purely for fun. No, really! Some of us don't want an electric car. I have a v6 engined car. I love the sound it makes. I love that if I need to fill it up it takes about 3 minutes and not an hour or whatever. Not to mention that not everyone has a driveway to charge it at home and would need to find a charger somewhere else. I don't want the choice of what I drive taken away from me. If you can justify the mining for minerals and the drain on the grid and the wasted time it takes to recharge the thing and can live with the range anxiety every time you go for a long drive, scared to put the heated seats on as it reduces your range then fine, thats your choice and I have no issues with that but I wish someone would realise that the ICE is not the cause of all that is wrong in the world and maybe synthetic petrol or hydrogen power is a real alternative for when oil finally runs out. And tell me this, how will the government replace the billions of pounds they currently rake in from fuel duty?
Driving from Glasgow to Annecy as I do for holidays Tesla says it'll take 21hr 11 minutes Vs 16hr 25 minutes using Google maps for a standard car. 5 extra hours, not taking into account that I'm towing which will push up those charging times hugely. Then there is the small fact that none of the manufacturers makes an electric car that can tow my camper trailer! I'll stick with my pickup!
Simple answer is to fit a better electric motor and tow a trailer full of extra batteries. On the sensible side though, about 8 hours per day is the most time one should be behind the wheel . That should allow 8 hours to rest or sleep at the very least. Time to charge those batteries. I would stick to the pickup though.
I'm an American and love driving my Tesla. Thanks for entertaining us with shows like this. What a Bell End this guy is. Hilarious. Actually this hyperbole is essential to slow the disruption. As EV sales go up 40% we face real challenges with batteries, grid supply, home charging and politics. The FUD tends to slow it down a bit for the meek minded so that tech can develop at the breakneck speed required. Thanks for the laughs and the balanced mindset.
@@zasadacrew how does Tesla = bell end? A car says very little about your personality unless you bought the car for reasons other than transport. Eg Lamborghini.
To add some further information on the Tebay queuing on the 27th December, I was there earlier in the day and it was somewhat of a perfect storm. 1. Only the southbound side of Tebay has Tesla chargers, so it has cars from both directions stopping there. 2. It has the older V2 chargers which load share between pairs, so essentially when two cars parked next to each other, they will only draw a max of 60-65kW. 3. Tebay is a destination stop. Many people like to stop there for a meal regardless of whether they actually need to stop to charge. 4. There is quite a long distance between Tebay and any other superchargers when heading south, so it usually makes sense to stop there. 5. Contrary to comments in the video, older Model S and X can only rapid charge at V2 Tesla superchargers, unless they have had the CCS conversion. So they can't really just go somewhere else. All of the above combined with a massive amount more peak holiday traffic than usual made this inevitable. The simplest solution is just to add more charging capability here and at many more motorway service areas.
Living in the area, I personally wouldn't bother with Tebay. I'd use the two chargers in the main village car park in Shap, just off Junction 39 of the M6, as they don't see much use yet, despite being installed fairly recently. They are operated by Charge My Street, a local charge network based in North Lancashire.
Tebay have reacted by now going ahead with large planning expansion of chargers. They say the nearest town Penrith residence are being issued with candles at holiday weekends as they will have their power switch off to supply Tebay.
@@matthewnightingale4675Your right wait until theres a petrol shortage again Oh my god! The queues the queues I cant sleep! Thinking about the queues and I run a petrol at the moment, Have i mentioned The queues oh my god! Have a good one.
One aspect I don't hear anyone talk about is in times of disasters when the power is cut for days and weeks. Electric cars are utterly useless. It's diesel and petrol vehicles that do all the work necessary to rescue and rebuild infrastructure. Good luck using your electric when it's had no charge for the duration.
Anyone who wants a combustion car should buy it and enjoy it. I will never buy a combustion car again, simply because it does not satisfy my needs for the cost and pleasure that an electric car offers me.
There should be some fact checking on sensationalist shows, to stop them saying it's our guest's opinion so we can broadcast things that are not true. Either have an on screen warning like RU-vid with Covid or 5 mins at the end for an informed response. The I-Pace man seems just to have done it for publicity, and some lapped it up without thinking that a very odd way to operate and choose that particular EV.
What will be Jeremy Vine's reaction when someone shares with him the fact that Cobalt is used in refining gasoline? Will he then tell us we should get rid of ICE vehicles? Fun Fact: The cobalt from a battery can be recovered and reused after the battery's end of life, the cobalt used in refining is simply consumed.
Indeed Alex. The oil industry in the largest users on mined minerals on the planet, bar none. I believe *some* of the cobalt used in refining can be recovered, but I doubt it would be 90% as it is with battery recycling......
AFAIK the cobalt in refining is used as a catalyst, so it is not just consumed, but mostly reused over and over. That being said, oil industry is clearly not under pressure to source the cobalt from ethical sources, unlike EV manufacturers.
Jeremy Vine rides a bike, no cobalt used on cycles ? Unlike the cobalt mined to make batteries in the Congo by children who risk their lives every day.
If you buy an EV with an LFP battery (they are the cheapest and the safest) there is zero cobalt used. Many of the Teslas and most of the Chinese made EV's use LFP batteries. Their main drawback is a lower energy density but there is a new LFP battery chemistry called LMFP which adds manganese to the mix and this addresses that issue.
People I know that have bought electric cars have all regretted it, range anxiety, lack of charging points, length of time to charge, cost of electricity, range not as good as manufacturers say and even worse in cold weather, to name a few, Plus the initial cost which is higher than petrol or diesel models
I love mine. I bought it after speaking to a couple of neighbours who had also bought fully electric and had had them for a few years. One neighbour did say he wished he'd bought the model with the larger battery but overall he was very pleased (I took his advice and only looked at larger batteries). I payed a few more thousand than the petrol equivalent and assuming difference between electric/petrol prices remain about the same, if I keep this car for the same amount of time as my old car (16 years) I will have saved more in fuel than the whole of the cost of the car. Both Octopus and Eon do a really good overnight price for electric for EV owners. We haven't really tested the range yet though.
Where are all the chargers going for people that live in terraced streets with no garage, no driveways, only roads? Recently, Ive seen far more electric cars on hard shoulders on motorways?? What about MOTs and servicing? how much is that going to cost? When this crazy joy ride is put into full play, they will be taking me off the road because there is no way I can afford to change my vehicle 😒
I’ve never seen an EV broken down on the motorway. Servicing costs a fraction of that of a petrol car. Friend has a terraced house with an EV in his small front garden. Runs it over the road quite legally with an anti strip cover. Has had no issues.
@@marktyers69 I was speaking to a vehicle recovery person a couple of weeks ago, he said he sees more broken down EVs than petrol ran vehicles. I know people who live in flats where ther would be no area to provide enough electric ports to supply everyones vehicles. What about the people who cannot afford to replace their car?? Lets admit it, the problems still hugely outweigh the benefits
@@soixsie I agree that, unless you have a home charger, the issues outweigh the benefits but I still stand by my observation that I see more petrol cars broken down on the motorway that electric.
Hello, in regard to the long queues at Tebay over Christmas can I say I was the guy in the red model 3 at the head of the queue, this was the second time only in 18 months I’ve ever queued. It did take ca. 4 hrs to wait - charge and go, however what’s not been mentioned was that there was a problem with the charge stations which during charging tended to deliver only 6 - 7 kw, or a charge rate of ca. 30 miles / hr hence the very long queue. Contrast this to a fully operative charge station that would have charged at ca. 400 miles per hr, or a 250kw station capable of 100 miles in ten minutes. Luddite’s make you smile - If you have a lack of understanding on a subject coupled with a biased view point you’re never going to deliver a balanced arguement - just sayin 😂
A top manager at the national grid has said that for Britain to go all electric cars trucks buses trains Britain will have to build at a minimum another 2 nuclear power station on top of the one they are building at the moment at Hinckley point
That doesn't mean that extra demand will be met with actual nuclear power stations though - renewables are far cheaper and faster to add than nuclear, gas or coal, and the benefit of EV's is that they can be dynamically timed to charge when renewables are about to be curtailed, it's a perfect fit, as you don't have to put 500 km of fuel into an EV every day if you only commute 50 km, so in the future you could set your EV to wait for the cheapest electricity or lowest CO2/kWh.
I can’t wait for how quiet it’s going to be on the UK roads with 75% of ice drivers saying that they don’t intend to buy an electric car by 2030 and 52% say that they will never buy an electric car. 🎉
@@djtaylorutube by quiet I mean amount of traffic not the sound. As the clunkers go to the scrapyard and the owners vowing never to buy an electric car. I’m assuming they will walk, cycle and bus it. I gave up trying to convince the dinosaurs long ago, a complete waste of breath.
Cobalt is the catalyst used in..... .... .... Oil refining. The largest use of Cobalt is Oil refinement for Petrol and diesel. Where it is consumed but in electric car batteries cobalt can be recycled.
Funniest thing I've watched in a while. We have an electric Kona and nissan leaf, they get charged during off peak hours when we also use the tumble dryer and dishwasher. Our monthly off peak charge is £31 per month. Before the nissan leaf we had a mini 3 cylinder diesel and that was costing us £100 per month in diesel alone
The problem is here, you are talking about a handful of people who own ev's, in comparison to those who still own ice vehicles. That will change once more and more people switch to ev's. The power grid as it stands at the moment, would not be able to cope if everyone suddenly switched to ev's and wanted to charge them overnight. That's without the colossal energy consumers known as heat pumps. Our power grid will need a six fold increase in transmission and distribution to cope with our switch to electric only.
Apart from the use of cobalt, there is also an enormous amount of energy used in the sourcing, refining and transportation of fossil oil. It may be interesting to do an A-B comparison of how much energy goes into the production and provision of petrol/diesel vs electricity.
Loved this video. Unfortunately, Jeremy Whine is very good at whipping up rhetoric to fit his anti car agenda, whatever their fuel source, and will always find the headline grabbing worst case scenario rather than focus on the vast majority who have a positive experience.
If you need a longer charge lead James, try Screwfix. Theirs aren't badly priced. I was lucky, I got a secondhand 10 metre one for longer trips, just in case I find an ICE car parked on a charger. But Screwfix have new ones....
@@Markcain268 More insurance companies are starting to refuse cover on EV's, and the rest are charging more. HMRC have already stated EV's will be taxed from next year.
I want to ask, as a phev owner of 8years.. what happens when an ev or phevs battery is no longer fit for purpose.. because as I understand it, lithium's characteristics mean that over it's live it's capacity becomes greatly reduced as we have seen with out three cars.
Infastructure not there in UK for charging. Great if you can home charge (millions cannot, live in flats no drives etc) charge else where costs are more than petrol/diesel. My next car will be petrol maybe electric after that? have to be major improvements in quicker charging and easier charging.
There are some issues with EVs: -They work quite well in moderate-climate countries like the UK. EV battery packs like temperatures that are basically comfortable for humans. But if you operate an EV in a very cold weather country or a very hot weather country the advertised range of the EV drops dramatically. Like 30% or more. -You already have all the infrastructure in place to service ICE vehicles. Gas stations, mechanics, oil change places etc. So you will have to install a lot of charging stations for these EVs. Great if you own a home and can charge your EV at night when power rates are cheaper but not everyone has their own home. So where are they going to charge up their EVs? - A lot of vehicle owners are DIY on their vehicle maintenance. Oil changes, brakes, sparkplugs, CV joints, suspension work etc. The issue with an EV is the battery pack in many cases is a very high voltage, like 300 volts. Make a mistake and that 300 volts will kill you. Plus I can get parts easily for let's say a Toyota Corolla or Camry. Original or aftermarket at reasonable prices. Try doing that for a Tesla or newly manufactured EV. The price for parts for EVs is nuts. Then there is the cost to replace that battery pack which will eventually need replacement. Remember that is not generally a DIY project for most people. You would need gloves rated a 1000 volts, plus gloves on top of them. How much for a Tesla battery pack,$25,000-$30,000. After 12 years how many will just end up in a junkyard? -The population is ageing and frankly, you drive a lot less when you're retired. EV batteries like to be charged, drained and recharged regularly or their lifespan is less. But if I buy a very fuel-efficient 4cyl ICE vehicle I basically don't have that issue to deal with. -The Toyota hybrid system is very reliable. So if I buy a hybrid I don't have issues with charging it, range anxiety, and the brakes regenerate electrical power back to the battery. If there was a major power blackout you could actually power your home with a plug-in hybrid. - EVs may not have tailpipe emissions but how is the electrical power being created to power that EV. In some countries like China, it's coal. So how would that save the planet? Then there is the little thing EV proponents don't like to talk about. The fact is that converting the world to EVs would require a 1000% increase or more in mining for all the metals and materials needed to manufacture those battery packs. All mining pollutes especially water sources. -Then there is the price of an EV. Not cheap! They are unaffordable for many people. I realize that in the UK and EU countries gasoline/diesel fuel is ridiculously taxed so that makes it more attractive to have an EV to avoid being financially raped by high fuel taxes. But once enough people buy EVs governments will miss the tax money from fossil fuels and implement a road tax on EVs. -A lot of new EVs are just now hitting the market. Just from past experience new vehicle models generally have problems. So do you want to buy a problematic vehicle? -Toyota is working on solid-state battery packs. They claim to have solved the massive power drain on solid-state batteries in cold weather. Range 300 miles and recharge in 10 minutes. I think that just might be a game-changer for EVs if they can do it. Plus solid-state batteries are smaller/lighter than lithium batteries. Bet you they initially put them into their hybrid vehicles.
Time is the most valuable thing in a human's life and since owning an electric car and not having a home wall charger, I've wasted so much time trying to charge my car and sometimes finding others at the charge point when I get there. Also the price of running them has doubled since last year. So two of the things affecting me since my purchase. His other points are invalid.
Hi Ginny (face of the VRA) - hope you’re good. Excellent video - whilst you are right that electric cars are brilliant ( and will get better ) - they still will not suit all - biggest issues remain charging points - both public and private if you don’t have a house with driveway/parking - the high cost of the cars restricting ownership away from the majority - and battery life - as with all batteries their capacity reduces as they get older - so range does too. My fear is that most of these cannot be resolved satisfactorily before 2030. Personally, I’ll stick with my petrol powered car for some time yet….
Jeremy Vine is well known for this type of thing. Can't listen to Radio 2 anymore. Why don't you both interview them on their facts. Keep up the good work.
What do you think of this, a lady damaged her new car (6weeks) a Tesla, only slight damage to the battery but the insurance company scrapped the car as it's value had reduced by 30% in the 6 weeks and the cost of a new battery was £20K.
Thomas Edison and Henry Ford said North American is to big for a city shopping cart,cities in Canada are banding EV sales ,the electrical grids needed to be up graded,two to three years to up grade.
That Tesla charger queue was over Christmas, just off a motorway, I think in Wales. Not seen any other queues for Tesla chargers, and Tesla cars will divert you to another location if the intended one is busy. And the Jeremey Vine show is just like a tabloid newspaper, majors on sensationalism and deserves to be on Ch 5!
According to Plug Life Television (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WMecU8rQgwQ.html) it was Tebay Services in Cumbria, an older Tesla Supercharger with just 8 V2 150kW chargers which are only on the southbound side of the motorway and have to serve traffic in both directions. The café and farm shop there are also popular stops in their own right.
@@simonlongman4067 it did happen, but just like long queues for petrol, its a rare edge case, not every time, the longest I've had to wait was 5 minutes.
it was at Tebay in the Lake district, however there don't seem to be any pictures of ICE cars queueing during the fuel shortage...funny that. My smug face got a real workout lol. Vine is a moron, always has been
If electric cars are so good why do they need government intervention to become established. As far as I know no government government intervention has been required for petrol stations or car purchase.
Just done a guick check and the average family sized electric car is 1940kg compared to a family sized diesel car of 1360kg. Thats a considerable difference to your claim.
Couple of other important points: 1) Tyre particulates despite being a bit nasty are NOWHERE NEAR as nasty as those particulates from the exhaust of a modern direct injected petrol or deisel car (which now have to have speciic particulate filters fitted into their exhaust systems to catch these particles because they are so injurous to our health). Wearing a rubber tyre down makes big, heavy particles, that yes, might be washed into our rivers and ecosystem (not good) but are these particles not nearly small or light enough to get into our blood stream via our lungs. You cannot compare an exhaust soot particle (small, light, cancerous) with a tyre particle, either by mass, number or volume. 2) BEVs wear their tyres less despite being on average a bit heavier because they don't slip those tyres as much! Tyre wear is not really caused by the tyre rolling over the road, but by it being dragged over the road, ie slipping across the surface. This is why if you drive aggressively or spin your tyres, they wear out very quickly indeed. An electric traction motor is so much softer on a tyre, unlike for an Internal combustio engine because it has practically no torsional vibration (changes in driving torque with rotation, caused in an ICE by each piston firing individually) and becuse the drive torque can be controlled in a much finer way (Drive torque in a BEV is typically controlled 1,000, yes ONE THOUSAND times per second, compared to 3, yes THREE times a second for a vehicle with an ICE. This is also why they accelerate so quickly because they have very good traction btw. 3) Materials used to make a battery are not in any way distroyed by that battery being used. Even if we dig up some Colbalt in the worst possible way, we now have that colbalt for ever. Oil extraction of course is a definite one-way process, nothing can be recovered or reused, and oil extraction is almost certainly the dirtiest single thing we do a a species.
@@chasleask8533 I think he maybe once owned a Diesel car! And now feels really bad about himself! So bad he can't even bring himself to spell the horrific word!
@@chasleask8533 In my childhood, I figured out how to spell the name, by remembering that the first four letters spell 'Dies'. That was decades before the dangers of particulates were being discussed.
In the future there will be four types of car drivers fossil fuel /ev/ex ev/and the sadest ev drivers trapped in negative equity because the debt out weighs the true value of the car .
1. As you said, particulate filters are fitted to vehicle to collect the nasty particles from cars and make a vast difference so you've rendered your own point invalid. Experts are now saying that particulates from tyres are now the biggest problem we face. They're not just made of rubber but all kinds of additional materials, including dangerous chemical substances abound, silicates, synthetic rubbers, Carbon Black, polymers, elastomers, and yes fabric and wire. Natural rubber is now probably one of the smallest ingredients in a modern car tyre. EV tyres have even more materials in them for sound deadening purposes so please don't dismiss how potentially hazardous they may be. 2. Wear is a tricky subject because every car and every driver is different. A lot of what you said is true, but rear tyres do not turn so are always being dragged unless you're driving in a perfectly straight line. EV tyres may not wear as quick but thar's offset because they contain more materials in the first place. Faster acceleration will always wear a tyre faster, it's easy to spin the wheels on an EV such as a Tesla 3 because of the high torque levels right from zero mph, but start factoring torque in and it gets very difficult. 3. There are lots of things that used oil can be used for these days, including more lubricant products, again it's a huge and complex subject but we must not lose sight of the fact that oil is used for countless products, not least the production of tyres and plastics, most of the things you'll find in a car, and for lubricating the machinery that does everything from manufacturing the car parts, to painting it, to delivering them. There's a sort of misconception that the oil rich nations would be screwed if we stopped using ICE cars and switched to EVs but nothing could be further from the truth. There is an endless list of things that rely on oil and switching the entire world to EVs would barely scratch the surface of what we use. That's one of the major issues for me, the hype is leading people to believe that by buying an EV they're helping to save the planet but the reality is so far away from that, it's almost laughable to even suggest it.
Whilst I am enjoying my EV, I am thankful I charge from home over 90% of the time. The only long journey so far in 3 months resulted in the several hours wasted on public network. Briefly…. Outbound No 1 out of order, 2 plugged in ok to find then discover charger went offline, 3 was a 7 kWh(what a waste of time) no 4 at last! Homebound 1 busy …2 a 7kwh, no 3 at last. I was obviously naive to expect a seamless experience to charge the car. Also, why is a credit or debit card not sufficient? Lesson learnt, but inadequate network massively detracts from ownership experience to have to faff about factoring in ‘fuel’ stop(s) when there is no confidence the planned stop will be working.
I don’t think electric cars are a con trick but I don’t think they are in a state to be considered anything other than a second cars used as an about town runaround
Thank you for talking sense. Jeremy Vines programme was a bit of an embarrassment. Owning an EV requires a level of common sense which the anti EV brigade don't seem to have. Keep up the good work.
@@Markcain268 I changed by Diesel car for an EV for the very reason to save money and it is so much cheaper. The PCP payments are less than my monthly fuel bill used to be so it has worked for me, but I understand it doesn't work for everyone.
Enjoyed the video which addressed similar claims that are regularly made in the Daily Mail and on GB News. But I do agree with the point about a lack of public charging infrastructure as I would never have bought a small EV if I could not charge at home.
I think charging is getting a lot better - I have had a 28kWh Ioniq for a couple of years and when I got it 'longer' trips really needed planning. Now I just drive and look for a charger when I need one. In all my journeys I had to wait just once last year for about 15 minutes for an Osprey charger and that's because I decided to drive on and head there as I could, and probably should, have stopped 15 miles earlier and not arrived at it with 6%! 😆
@@FFVoyager It's a bit more hit and miss where I live in Central Scotland, although new public chargers are appearing all the time. I think as the infrastructure grows, the hardest part will be keeping all the chargers in service as they tend to have a hard life. You are fortunate to own what is probably the most efficient EV around. You may already be familiar with the EV Dabbler channel, whose Ionic regularly exceeds a figure of 5 miles per KW/h even at higher speeds- notably better than the 4.6 miles per KW/h I get in my Fiat 500e with a very light foot.
Fun fact from a Swedish perspective: my i3S needs during a warm winter at -12 around 20 kWh per 100 km, which nets me at best 200 km (I needed to charge at 170 km this time). That would be an estimate of 40 kWh and 200 km, at a cost of 40*8,5= 340 SEK. Compared to my equally good Polo that sips petrol around 5,4L=100 km that is 10,8L. 10,8L*19= 205 SEK. Sooo I pay more for electricity than petrol, and I needed to charge for 45 minutes due to what I guess was a cold charger. Now tell my why I should even bother with this nonsense? I´m not, i´m actually returning my i3S in april then I won´t be touching an EV till we get our infrastructure pricing in order.
We have a public charger that has been out of commission for at least two years, people say fuel companies have paid for it not to be repaired , this is in Kingsbury car park melksham .
EV's take about 12 times as long to fill up than an ICE car. If we are to avoid massive queues at charging stations, we'll need 12 times as many chargers than fuel pumps. And just where is all that electricity coming from? Windmills? What, when the wind isn't blowing? And we still have virtually zero storage.
Great video, and properly fact checked, which Jeremy Vine is not. Whenever I hear someone trot out these half truths and lies , I also get somewhat peeved. So Energy to drive an EV = Energy to refine fuel for the same journey! Fossil fuel also uses rare metals in production, and it's gone when burned. The National Grid reports clearly state that EV's are not the problem but part of the solution.
He reminds me of the people that once insisted that all these new fangled motor car things must travel at walking pace and to ensure it, make a man walk in front of them with a red flag to warn people of it's presence. The man is a Luddite.
How nice of you to gloss over the child labour and the polluted rivers caused by the mining of mineral's for car batteries. Electric cars are no greener and yes it is a con.
Funny i paid just over £1800 for my petrol Porsche and just £960 for Tesla Model 3 Performance. I also pay £740 a year road tax for Porsche, but £0 for Tesla. Can you try a bit harder?
@@borinvlogs Don't have to try. You do know some insurers refuse cover, don't you? Yours clearly hasn't caught up yet. How's about a Porsche £600 increased to £3100. Is that hard enough?
Guys I hope this video wasn’t made to push electric cars as the answer to our transportation woes ? Because you certainly haven’t convinced me, A substantial percentage of our vehicle driving population live in flats with no means of charging an electric vehicle which will always continue to be the hurdle that will never be achieved in our generation, and I’m pretty sure that is a fact ! The fact that the infrastructure isn’t there to support a growing number of electric vehicles questions itself whether the manufacturers themselves ever saw this as being the answer to the replacement of combustion engine vehicles surly ? My prediction is combustion engine vehicles will live on for many many years yet and the 2030 thing will be pushed back.
But electric cars are a trick! Nobody talks about the problem with how batteries are sourced? We need more efficient public transport not more private cars.
I do agree with all the comments so far the only thing I would say, as someone who would dearly love an EV, what is the percentage of home in the UK with driveways that can charge at home. Next what is going to happen with all the cables trailing across the pavements,as it’s quite expensive to charge totally at charging points. I would love there to be a reasonable answer but at the moment I can’t see one.
We are in this situation, so yes we currently have to charge at public chargers. It's still cheaper than petrol, but, granted, not by much. It's a trade-off. Everyone needs to assess whether it's feasible for them or not, we both work from home so we can decide when to go for coffee and charge at the same time, I generally take my laptop and work there, quite nice actually. As for cables on the pavement, there are more and more companies working with councils around the UK to provide solutions such as digging gulleys for the cable to run through, with a flap to go over so it's flat and not a hazard, it's also possible to place a ramp over the cable on the pavement, if your council allows you to, as you need to ask them first. Some councils (like ours!) may refuse by default, but you can challenge the decision as they have to provide evidence for their refusal. We've started the process. Of course, the other issue is that you never get a guaranteed parking space on the road in front of your house, but in most residential streets, people know each other, and I am confident that our neighbours wouldn't mind moving their car if I needed the space a couple of nights a week. That's all an EV needs, there's no need to charge it every night.
Great video! It is really quite sad and frankly very annoying, that so many media outlets are helping to foster anti-EV propaganda like this. I begin to wonder why they don't fact check the claims their invited guests are going to make before allowing them into the studio. I don't watch daytime TV. Partly because I've got better things to do with my time but particularly because there seem to be lots of programmes like this. They provide discussion on topical issues of the day which they decide, or presume many people really need, or want to know about. I'll stick to learning about stuff myself and reaching my own informed decisions. Which is what I did before getting my first EV 18 months ago.
As I wrote in another reaction to this. Rhe news is own by some biljonaires...They earn money from the oil industry...huge amounts. And they will losse billions when we start reducing energy usage for travelling electric by 60-80% I'm afraid they are PAYED for spreading these nonsens...and not only these nonsens...also with covid they did not do any fact checking.
They are really just trying to be sensational and attract viewers. So many programmes now don't seem to care about the truth, but just how sensational they can make a topic to increase viewing figures for advertising reasons.
They are a con. And they AREN’T green. Ask the childRen who will be digging up the cobalt to power your rip off machine for a couple of hundred miles. You lot are fools
The main thing that gets me is when I talk to people at work who are buying the FUD lock, stock, and barrel. My favorite is the notion that hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe (true) and can be easily sucked it out of the air and used. (not true) When I mention the massive energy demands of electrolysis and the huge amounts of carbon released in gas reformation, they just look at me like I just made that stuff up. I wonder if they know that they are working for the petrochemical industry.
Chris, I think we're well into the realms where there *are* paid "plants" from the oil industry. Big oil knows full well it's days of mega profits from oil are numbered. That's one of the reasons some of them are now sneakily getting into the renewable energy industry.
@@Brian-om2hh It's not unlike when the tobacco industry hired doctors to say that smoking was not just ok, but would actually improve your health. I think it always happens when a trillion dollar industry is threatened.
And the facts are if we only had electric cars then we couldn't run them all people would be lining up for half a day to charge them just to do any long journey and most importantly if there was a lockdown all cars could be switched off without owners consent. The fact is there is no infrastructure to charge them all that's that's fact
What complete and utter nonsense. Around 16'000 new public charging connections were installed during 2023 alone. There are now almost 60'000 of them in the UK, with an estimated 400'000+ privately owned home chargers.
I think Jeremy Vine should invite you guys on the show. I’d happily be on the end of my phone to take a call if they wanted to speak with a very experienced EV owner too. Nice work guys! We’ve all heard this utter tosh too many times for narrow minded people who have likely never owned an EV.
Jeremy Vine interview was the TV version of clickbait to appeal to the EV haters which mainly consists of people who currently can't afford one. EV Prices are coming down, but I think we have reached the point of Total Cost of Ownership being lower for most people, especially company cars with the BIK tax. I would think by 2025/26 the purchase price will be lower than ICE, after all they are a lot simpler with less parts, and battery prices are reducing as predicted. My personal EV experience over 2 years has been nothing but positive.
@Graham, it appears to me that most of the haters haven’t even driven an EV. Also the fact that ICE vehicle drivers park in EV charging bays is an indication of their mentality.
I dont actually buy into the overall cost of ownership comparison, its not realistic. Many people dont buy a car and keep it until its life expires so EVs have to compete with ICE vehicle costs based on real length of ownership and that means over 3 and 4 years which is typically the length of time many people who lease or buy brand new cars have them for.
As an American, the idea of parking garages collapsing because EVs are just "too heavy" is just beyond adorable. How about Mister Parry comes over to the states here, and we can spend a lovely afternoon or two counting the number of absolutely massive SUVs and pickup trucks that far outweigh any EV.....
Thank you for presenting the true facts. The amount of people that haven’t got a clue about EVs is astounding. We own a Vauxhall Corsa e, we bought it 2nd hand with only 1800mls for a really good price. We had a home charger fitted and we also have solar panels. We have done around 4000mls in our Corsa and it’s cost us nothing! The only thing we have had to pay for is a yearly service, which is £120. It is a totally different way of driving, which is extremely relaxing and easy/stress free and we would never go back to an ICE vehicle again. Keep up the great show, we love your videos 😉
Manchester to London and back. Can your Corsa e do that on 1 charge? My 20 year old 1.3 petrol can, with 40 miles left. And yes ..... it's ULEZ compliant.
Those that do charge from regular 220v socket are unlikely to drive enough daily to need a 100% charge. If you know you will need 100%, you charge earlier in the day and more. If long drive is unexpected, fast charging stations typically do a good job. Sure, there are people who do lots of driving day to day like 300-500km but those people will likely install a wallbox at home.
It's sad but as you said at the end of your video, it's something new and scary. Unfortunately your average person isn't interested nor do they care about facts. They don't watch RU-vid videos or read articles about EVs, they watch headline grabbing programs like Jeremy Vine and read headlines in the Daily Fail. Keep fighting the good fight. I personally can't wait to get my first electric car. I just can't afford one (or an ICE) at the moment. 😕
Electric car vs equivalent ICE car: 40% more expensive, 100% more to insure, 70% less range, c. 90,000 miles to offset carbon used in production, add at least an hour to any journey over 200 miles. It's no wonder sales are starting to slow.
I think Tessa Dunlop meant old phones and laptop batteries (in the bottom drawer). I read somewhere about the huge amount of 'saved' electrical goods that people have not thrown away (I've been guilty of that too) and there might well be a lot of recyclable materials in batteries that have not been processed because of that......
I am in Canada and I occasionally fact check things about EVs, but I have never heard that amount of garbage come out of the mouth of a "journalist", with regards to electric vehicles. I truly hope that the show this person was on is not a popular one. I am glad to see you put this video out and will share it on my Facebook page since I have a fairly high percentage of viewers from the UK. Thanks for making this.
My vehicles pollute. I have a 1933 Austin Ten, a 1960 Morris Minor Traveller, a 1950 Morris PV truck, a 1980’s Winget 3ton dumper , a 1990’s Siromer 25 hp tractor, a 2000’s Kubota mower, a 2002 Ford Transit truck,a 2004 Royal Enfield bullet motorcycle, a 2006 Fiat Ducato van, and a 2010 Hyundai i10. All these vehicles burn clean air and pump pollution into the environment. They perpetuate the second most polluting industry on earth and line the pockets of the most powerful organisations that exist. I am very poor and quite old. I will never be able to replace these vehicles with electric alternatives. In mitigation, Obviously I only use one combustion engine at a time. I live in a place where the density of humans is very sparse and there is a lot of clean air to absorb my pollution. HOWEVER: I am honest and aware of the facts about pollution. I do not deny the harm that I do when I use these vehicles. If I were able to attain alternatives I would. And I support clean air zoning, the electrification of transport and energy etc. And I look forward to a future where combustion of hydrocarbons is a rarity and not the norm. I celebrate every individual who buys an electric vehicle. I respect the restrictions of clean air zones in towns and cities. I support stricter speed limits in villages and built-up areas, NOT because I LIKE them, and NOT because I am a tree hugging eco zealot, but rather because I believe in progress towards a better, more caring world where we all sympathise, empathise and do less harm to our fellow citizens , animals , the air we all breathe and the land and sea from which we all get our food. Keep it real, be prepared to learn the facts, don’t hamper the good things happening in society because you yourself don’t like it. Think of the welfare of others as much as you care about yourself. Nobody is going to take away your supposed “FREEDOM” except where you want the freedom to selfishly harm others in the world around you. We are NOT free to murder, rape or steal! Neither should we be free to harm people, the environment or living nature. We are in a period of growing awareness of the harms of pollution and that is a good thing, NOT a bad thing! Support it.
You two obviously can afford a Tesla. A lot of people can't so how will we get kids to school ,commute? If the UK converted to EV transport we would require: 207000,900 tons of cobalt,which is double the present production,264,000,600 tons of Lithium and 2,362,500 tons of copper ! That is just the UK. You two are just mind-blowing!
43,000 miles in an Audi eTron 55 over 22 months. Best car I've ever had, I don't take any note of any of this nonsense, prefer to form my opinion based on my own experience rather than listen to some guy who seems to have no experience of real life use of an EV
On this charging and resupply back to the grid prove that they wont "borrow" 1 kw from every car plugged in when they need it and forgot to refund you, so any online system is open to abuse and will be.Also he is right if every car could be on charge when the owner wanted to charge it , it would fail/brown outs etc let alone where all the copper is coming from to upgrade every charge point in the world. Untill we get to 10-15min full recharge times EV does not work
Im still laughing well done Electrifying your facts are spot on I have been driving my Kona electric 64 kWh since 2018 I have never had problems charging away from home that is until September last year when I visited a charger at the Holiday inn Gloucester there were 2 people queueing so having done my homework I knew there were 2 instavolt chargers 1/2 mile away when I arrived both were free no problems charging did a trip to Bristol from Milton Keynes found 2 Chargers were faulty eventually found one outside a pub Restaurant There is no doubt that the infrastructure is creaking more needs to be done EV drivers need to do a bit of homework before they set of on long trips I normally have 3 options keep up the good work ps still laughing.
You talk about charging as if everyone has the facilities. Such as a drive. How many houses in the UK have a drive. What about terraced houses, flats, luxury apartments.
EVs will never work for everyone. Inner city NIMBYs they can work extremely well, yes. Long trips and haulage they don’t work so well, if at all. There are problems with them and you won’t ever be able to factcheck your way out of that
Assuming it actually makes production, my Aptera should be here by 2025. Hopefully the EU/UK versions will be fully built by CPC in Modena, where all Aptera body structures are being made from carbon fibre, and my first trip will be to bring it back home to Durham, a trip of around 1200 miles if I take the opportunity to go to visit friends in Karlsruhe, crossing the Alps via Grossglockner Pass (so that would be some time after May 2025, when the road is free of snow). Just need a decent route planner that does the same in EU as Zap-Map does in UK. Now, if EVs are being subjected to FUD from the fossil-fuel industry puppets, you want to hear what *some EVers* say about why having an SEV in north England will be useless because it's just a land filled with thick fog and rain, where the sun avoids shining, blah-diddley-blah. The regular sceptics can't seem to comprehend the design of the vehicle, so never get as far as the solar capture side of it all...
It is easier just to accept that people are actually not as intelligent as they like to think they are. Life is occasionally complicated and it can take some intelligence and work, or to get to the bottom of what is the actual truth (i.e. facts and science). Given this countries recent history, (remember we are fed up with experts and it is easier to be elected by a slogan by the uneducated and ill informed public), nothing surprises me anymore. Thank you for putting together such a well informed video.
That was interesting. I do not have an EV, we are a 3 car household and one motorcycle, all petrol. I have a lot of friends and neighbours who have EVs. So I asked them to watch this video and comment. Not ONE would buy another EV (or get one as a company car on contract). Those with Hybrids would not buy another one. Every one of them laughed at some of the things you say (claim). Those that had bought their own EV say it was the worst decision they had ever made. Breakdowns, constantly in the dealer for repair. Price cuts at the dealer instantly knocking thousands off the resale value of their car. Massively expensive insurance. Charging points never working, or only working at a trickle, and priced at stupidly high prices. ALL of my neighbours have now purchased an ICE powered car as backup, a few parking the EV on the drive for local trips only. My next door neighbour's Ford hybrid now only goes 6 miles on a full overnight charge, and Ford are refusing her warranty claim, so she drives it only as a petrol car. No, I am sorry, but the argument for EVs has been lost, and bleating like you are doing here is just making matters worse. At the end of the day, it is my money I will be spending, and it will not be on an EV. Consumers are a canny bunch, and we can smell a rat from a mile away.
And I bet he goes to the rescue in a big heavy diesel truck, now there’s irony for ya. I would love it if the EV owner was stood at the side of the road saying to his wife ‘ I’m not calling for recovery until their fleets goes all electric, it’s the principle’.
Great video. I had 2 people today going on alarming about electric cars and much of what they said was myth. Anyway ice cars have their own minor environmental problems! Happily I was parked next to a man with another electric car and we were sharing how much we love them!
There's still a fundamental resistance to change, people hook on to reasons to justify that. As a lover of petrol cars and bikes I fully understand. However my Skoda Enyaq will finally be delivered in less than 2 weeks. Great video. Thanks!
@@chriscowell5550 There are plenty of justifiable reasons not to change to EVs. The biggest problem with that is EV owners are a bit like ex-smokers, because they've given up they think everybody else should too and refuse to listen to any comments against them, facts or not.
What a great, clever and informative argument to the recent video chat crap against EVs! More of this needed. (Our Government should really be issuing electric-promo info, but it’s no surprise that they aren’t)
What are you taking about it is the ice vehicles that are being lambasted, restricted, banned & forced off the roads, all adds are for ev's, & forced onto people so how are Ev's not being promoted exactly. Unreal
What are you taking about it is the ice vehicles that are being lambasted, restricted, banned & forced off the roads, all adds are for ev's, & forced onto people so how are Ev's not being promoted exactly. Unreal
The most environmentally sound thing to do is not to buy a new car, electric or otherwise. Instead repair and repair your existing car until it falls to dust. The production of a new car car, ICE or electric, has a huge environmental impact. Many people claim the environmental impact of producing an electric car is much higher than an ICE car. I have no idea if this is true, but ultimately the best approach is to keep your old car. The impact of continuing to operate an existing car is far less than manufacturing a new car! Not only will you reduce pollution, but by repairing your old car you help support local jobs and the local economy and not China or Germany or the USA or wherever the new car is actually manufactured. Go local to save the world.
As an ev owner from 2010 I've never had a problem with charging, breaking down suddenly, tyres wearing out fast, never had to change brake pads or discs in all three Ev's that I've owned. My first ev, in 2010 ze0 leaf still on the road today n I put 30.000 miles on th clock 2015 bmw I3 put 77.000 miles on clock still going strong, 2021 2.zero leaf daily drive done 2000 miles since march 10th 2023.
My daughter bought an electric car and she took me to Blackpool via a night stay at the Lake District, it was a complete NIGHTMARE and she swapped it for a diesel car and after that experience I wouldn’t have an electric car GIFTWRAPPED they are useless in our opinion USELESS
