@Bob Jones definitely with the western, it follows all those tropes of a lawman seeking revenge, however there is another older story Verhoeven has cited and that's a take on the story of Jesus given a modern day setting
With the way Murphy slowly comes back I would say he probably didn't even realize he was doing the twirl at the shooting range. They tried to erase his memory but some stuff still passed through and the more he realized, the more he was coming back. I remember seeing a video of Peter Weller talking about a time he saw the Italian dub version and he said they screwed it up because they kept his monotone robotic speech for the whole movie and it ruined the scene where he says "I can feel them but I can't remember them" while talking about his family. In the english version, the robot voice is pretty much gone at that point.
The twirl is an iconic part of Robo's persona. It represents how humans do things that are unnecessary but fulfill a subconscious need (which in this case is "having fun"). Because of how often Murphy did it, it became an instinct, which logically his brain retained as being a part of his normal functions, with the machine part simply complying.
I always felt it was a subconscious memory that his brain retained "this is important to you" but he doesn't realize the reason why. I don't think verhoeven or sellers put that in on purpose, but it's about what makes you human. Murphy doesn't have any actual memories of his past life, just fleeting flashbacks that he cannot connect, yet he starts developing new memories after reawakening the Murphy persona. Robocop 2 shows us he only accepted the programming because it overlaps with his own morals, and he actively fights back the new programming to the point he erases his computer memory to get back his free will.
@@thedailygrind6260 lol, what? They DEFINITELY did that on purpose. He talks about how his kid asked if he could do that, so he learns it to impress his kid. Then it's how Lewis recognizes Robocop as Murphy. That was the hint that he was human and was certainly intentional.
He did it originally because his son watched a tv show called TJ laser a futuristic cop show and the hero in the show twirled his pistol,so Murphy started practicing for his son
I always loved Peter’s flare. How he would raise his non shooting hand just added a lot of style and fluidity to a character that was just a giant robot man.
Murphy's brain was partially destroyed, as so his memories but not the feelings attached to the strongest ones. As he mentions about his family "I can feel them, but I can't remember them". The twirl was attached to the most powerful memory in the deepest part of his half dead brain: His son
That part was always tragic to me, it probably hurt a lot when his wife went to see him for closure and was revolted at the sight of him being a cold mask of what he was and he turned her away saying he was made to honour her dead husband and that he didn’t know her. It was even worse when OCP said that he was a machine, nothing more and hinted that he couldn’t offer love. Robocop was even stalking his family just so he could be close and try to connect to who he was, and was met with revulsion. It’s heartbreaking, but is overshadowed by all the action and gore.
The statue is still happening I think, but it's going to be at the science center; eu.freep.com/story/entertainment/2018/05/02/robocop-statue-detroit-michigan-science-center-home/573403002/
Loved how Robo would throw his empty, opened hand in the air while shooting with the other, like Switowski's defensive position in "The Longest Yard" movie.
I always thought the twirl was intentional. A way of hinting "Theres human left in here" or maybe even "We don't understand what makes human human, and even after trying to remove it, it's still here, a reminder that OCP never really knew what they were doing".
It's a good theory and could have worked. However nothing we found indicated that this was ever a concept in any of the movies/tv shows or scripts. The gun reloads like a normal gun so just how that would have worked inside the cramped leg holster is unclear.
RoboCop Archive I thought I read it somewhere but I think I just made it up and my mind had been going with it all these years. I looked at the old RoboCop diagram that I used to look at again. The part that says ‘automatic holster unit’. I guess I interpreted as automatic reload as a kid, I dunno.
@generic generic Checking the Robocop wiki page, it lists his auto-9 as having a 50 round magazine. How that many bullets fit is anyone's guess, especially when the same site lists the ammunition as standard 9mm. There's a fair amount I suppose we'll just have to wave away as 'it works somehow'.
@@Rekaert Robocop's hand is bigger than adult people's hand. We can see in first movies when Morton's hand gripped with Robo and that's why OCP design a gun that fit in Robocop's hand. I mean bigger gun need bigger magz and bigger magz mean more capacities but i think 50 bullets it's too many. It maybe 30 bullets.
The auto-9 is based off the real life pistol called the Beretta 93R, “R” standing for Raffica meaning rapid in Italian since Beretta is manufactured there for the most part. Beretta has a company in the United States but the Italian models are highly sought after due to the feeling that people say it is made better. The Beretta 93R was first used my Italian police and military during the early 80s. It had a folding forward grip and a detachable stock for better accuracy. However even with the detachable stock many users complained that it just didn’t have enough firepower and magazine capacity. The Beretta 93R was capable of single fire and three round burst. This pistol was also used in the John Travolta film broken arrow as the lead protagonist main SideArm at the end of the film and many other films today! The Beretta 93R remains one of the most iconic and exotic machine pistols to date. Many people want one but it would be extremely hard and extremely expensive since Ronald Reagan signed the Hughes amendment in 1986 making it illegal to purchase a machine gun manufactured after 1986, basically that means that anything that you can purchase is before 1986 making it extremely expensive and rare. The likelihood of finding somebody that wants to sell this machine pistol is about one out of 1 million due to how collectible they are. There have been rumors on websites like gun broker that there are two chrome plated 93R’s for sale going for over 500k each! But for the rest of us we might be able to rent one at a gun range but I think it’s safe to say that the most we will get is in the movies!
The Desert Eagle .357 Magnum was originally planned as RoboCop's gun, but it looked too small in his hands, so the movie armorers chose the Beretta 93R: making it a lot larger by adding an extended frame and barrel, a casket-shaped compensator, and elevated front and rear sights. The Desert Eagle was instead used by Clarence Boddicker. Note that .357 Magnum is way more powerful than the Beretta's 9x19mm rounds. But the 93R has a three round burst fire mode, so they traded stopping power for rate-of-fire.
@@kingbyrd.1512 I dont remember now but its basically to give security forces a low profile option but also be a pistol. I may have been confusing the story I was thinking of with the Stetchkin APS.
Iconic _fictional_ conventional firearm. Something like the Han solo blaster would be for unconventional (not a real firearm) fictional, or AK-47 for conventional non-fictional. I can't think of too many fictional conventional firearms for that matter though.
I handled a replica Auto-9 pistol, I don't know why Peter Weller says it was well balanced, I found it front heavy which was more tiring than it's size. Oddly enough twirling it was surprisingly easy, once you know how to handle the initial inertia it almost spun itself. And with the heft of this weapon, if it did shoot, It would be low on recoil as it being chambered in 9mm X 19, the recoil would be quite slight with a pistol that heavy. I did like the small detail in Robocop 2 during the opening bust. The slide locked back after the last round was fired and we see Murphy reload. We see where the componsator addition began.
DC Frank the gun used small weights in the coffin housing to get it to spin easier. The rectangular compartment was located underneath and held by two screws
Ah, the gun twirl. Yet another playful touch that the later incarnations left out. I mean. It is frustrating. Because it is very much established that spinning the gun was so much in Murphy's character that even after dying and loosing all his memories. He still instinctively spun the gun at the shooting range, triggering the realisation that the robot may be Alex.
The robocop's Auto-9 uses armor piercing bullets with increased gun powder. If the 3 burst hit the local area at a time, the impact is nearly same as a shotgun.
@@rustyshackleford7265 not far off ballistically though, though not armor piercing. A 12 Gauge 3" 000 Buckshot shell has 8 to 10, 0.36 inch pellets in it, about the same size as a 9mm bullet, 9mm being 0.355 inches converted from Metric to Imperial measurement. A center mass hit from one shell would be like an 8-10 round burst from a 9mm submachine gun with all the rounds hitting, not including the wadding. I'm not sure how much each pellet weighs but even at the lowest end for 9mm/.380, 95-100 grains is not weak by any means considering a .380 ACP round, same size bullet, 0.355 inches, 95 grains but less powder charge can and has easily killed with a center mass shot.
As Murphy, his son loved to watch a cop show T.J. LAZER i think was the name of the show. When T.J. did the gun twirl his son would say CAN YOU DO THAT DAD? As Murphy, he talked to his cop friend Lois about the twirl and he learned to do it for his son.
I had that too from a shop called afantasy World In UK, you could pump reload it or slide cock it, wasnt that powerful though, had a Glock17 that had way more walop
I would like to know more...If you’re referring to “Beretta Man” Taylor, he didn’t design/build it. I think he supplied some 93r’s for use in the movie.
Very good video. This only miss a concept more present in Prime Directives: like the Judge Dredd weapon, the Auto-9 can change ammunition: basic normal bullets at R1 and R3 (and maybe armor piercing at final battle of R2), a tag device on TV series (the laser at cartoon versions and games is not canon) and 6 types in Prime Directives: Standard, High Explosive, Armor Piercing, Flechette, Seeker and Non-Lethal.
Thanks again. I was a huge fan of RoboCop as a kid growing up, which I wasn't old enough. I was always pretended to be RoboCop by learning moments, walking, and saying favorite quotes. Beretta .93R Auto-9 pistol is a vet special weapon. I used to twirling a fake gun as Auto-9 postal and pretending shoot and by imagining enemies to shoot all the time. RoboCop himself only can use his gun, but he might used big weapons sometimes like Cobra Rifle. I agree, 1 and 2, he did twirl his gun three times ever the 1988 animated series, but in part 3, he didn't twirl that much. Still I liked part 3. I would like to hear about Alex Murphy's identity, and I also I would like to hear about his gunarm in "RoboCop 3". Anyway, Auto-9 pistol is the only best and my favorite weapon ever made.
This was me as a kid as well. I was always RoboCoping all around and outside the house, moving like RoboCop and spinning my toy gun or anything I could spin and pretend to be a gun. I would also bury myself under the couch cushions and pillows and pretend it was rubble.
On the contrary a continuous feed of onboard ammo is objectively a great idea that is completely practical and ahead of it's time. They were doing it 40 years ago in Gundam and it continues to this day. Your opinion of it being "stupid" is just a reflection.
@Dan if *i'm* the bad guy that just ran out of ammo... i most certainly would *hate* that if robocop had an endless feed of ammo feeding through his hand to gun lol because i'm going to die! robocop on the other hand, he would *not* think that his hand ammo feed device is stupid in such a situation 🙂
It sounds silly but it's probably not too hard to do compared to practically _any_ other aspect of Robocop. It would probably be one of the less silly things about the concept of Robocop.
50 rounds is a lot, maybe if it was a combo of being caseless ammo and something smaller than 9mm, like 4mm. And obviously an extended magazine which we do see the gun has.
When it comes to where he stores his magazines, as a kid I figured that since he has a compartment for his gun in his right thigh, it'd make sense to have another compartment holding a couple of mags in the left thigh, even if of course that's not what we saw in the films or other media.
Murphy's death scene is the one scene that freaked me out as a kid, nothing bothered me, I watched anything and everything from a really young age, went through all of the horror movies from the 80's and earlier, but nothing freaked me out more, it was the only thing I remember actually closing my eyes every time I watched it. It was one of my favorite movies, but that scene was particularly hard for some reason.
I just found your channel, and I have to subscribe. Robocop is awesome. It made my childhood awesome. Do you guys have a video on Robocain? The coolest cyborg villain.
I think someone mentioned that the extended barrel of the gun isn't just there to make it look huge...if you look closer it resembles a casket. Thus Robocop's own weapon is symbolic of his own death.
I always thought the most logical place would be his left thigh. Could probably stack a few of them in there and have some sort of mini conveyor rack the next one up to the top.
The Auto-9 and the M41A Pulse Rifle have one of the coolest, most iconic weapon sounds!!! Also idk why it keeps bugging me, but does the Auto-9 really shoot in three burst, because i'm hearing more than 3, more like 4 or 5? I know its a modified 93R, which is three burst, but the audio sounds make it seem like it shoots more than 3!! Idk if I'm the only dude hearing it, but re watch the seen during robos target practice and the drug raid scene and listen to the gun burst. You'll know what im ranting about!
Weapons master Randy Moore made changes to the gun which allowed them to shoot 3 shot bursts, 7 shot bursts and full auto. With the 7 round burst you could get 3 trigger pulls before reloading.
@JRPGFan20000 I think so, because remember when you first see Robo at the shooting range in the first film, the last thing he does is fire what sounds like three shots to completely cut down the target. It's three quick individual shots vs a burst. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-t1_Pw563opc.html
What´s also interesting is that in the gun range scene (2:35), it is the only time that Robocop twirls the gun FORWARD instead of backwards as shown in all the other scenes. I never noticed it until I saw this video.
0:29 PETER WELLER wasn't supposed to struggle with the CLIP MAGAZINE and the slide but it was a real gun that was heavy and gave resistance in being loaded and armed
I only consider 1 and 2 robocop(Weller) movies but do accept Rob and crew's work on the weapons used in 3 cause they were awesome and functional like the auto 9
I was so young when the first movie was released. I've no idea why, other than my incessant asking, my parents let me watch it. But Murphys killing still to this day stirs something something in me, it's just so wildly violent and sinister.
Actually it’s more than that . We see Murphy practicing his gun swinging in the clip of him and Lewis on their coffee break so it’s more like a valuable ability which Murphy had as a human police 👮♂️ Officer which his human brain still remembers and can deploy in to his 🤖 robotic/mechanical right arm.
@@HowardAnthC I never watched the TV shows TBH. Those other actors under the suit look terrible as Murphy. Voice, movements, FX, face..... it's like trying to pass a turd off as chocolate Ice Cream. It ain't fooling no one and is just plain wrong.
@@hazchem1 I will agree that it was not up to the quality of the Weller films, both in the effects and acting; however, they were pretty good by comparison to the level of TV shows of the same budget and development constraints of that time.
I appreciated when the RoboCop 2 comic by... oh hell.. Avatar? Anyway, they showed him ejecting a magazine from his gauntlet. Granted it came out horizontally instead of the length of his wrist but.. whatevs. Made more sense than a constant bullet feed.
