Failed Shonen Jump Manga 

Really wish that happened with red hood

@@ShonenFlop Say it again for the people I'm the back. Red Hood got done so dirty.

Is it possible for the creators get back the rights of their manga, by say, buying the rights?

@@Kinoksis likely not since legal rights and everything to do with them are ridiculous hoops to jump through Btw this is JAPAN those folks at Shonen Jump would never dream of letting shit go if their "reputation" was on the line canceled series or not

What?! And risk their monopoly on otaku culture? What executive would want that?!

I dont really understand this . Yuji died in chapter 9 and got revived in chapter 11 . I dont htink the tiimeline really makes sense

@@qukijoba5262 according to akutami's comments the editorial meeting where it was to be decided which series would continue and which would be axed happened just after the publication of chapter 10.

@@amuletangeldevil talk about a stroke of luck

damn do it really did feel like an end.

Damn, man. Respect there. And he even figured out a good way to not only bring Yuji back without it feeling half-assed, but also create even more intrigue for the series. Bravo, Gege.

that does beg the question of WHY he thought this would go over well with shonen jump's audience.

I agree, this had so much potential

Yeah why was this story published under shonen anyway it’s not going to have an audience there

@@alicianelson1252 maybe there are some laws against making fun of other companies in Japan (I mean they have no fair use laws there so who's to say a company CANT sue your ass there if you make fun of them?) And this is, I dunno, a loophole?

@@johndavidtibbetts7320 I think it was because of the whole meta aspect. A shounen jump manga about writing a shounen jump manga. That whole thing.

well the fact that the villain "edited " the story to change protags definetly points to that, but im not sure everything can be put on the editors , taking 3 chapters to finnally destroy the "starter town" was an odd decision that i dont think the editor would be responsible of (thought its his job to tell the author to get rid of the bloat) , the world building was great with the tank hermit crabs but then we got the training arc that messed everything up, we have yet to build the dymanic with the leads and we are flooded by new caracters. considering this was the same editor as samurai 8 ,a series bloated by exposition , maybe the editor wanted this time to speed things up (but i dont blame him for samurai 8 he could have been pressured to not mess with the vision of the creator of one of their golden goose)

I feel like this is also why black star exists in soul eater

@@MILDMONSTER1234 hmm he was certainly an odd caracter considering how his backstory mattered little in the plot , i also feel soul (or at least the final version we got in the manga) in some ways was also added to pander to the "classic" shonen audience , we are used to a token female lead inserted (sakura from naruto) that ultimatly accomplishes little , but in this case it was a male lead i mean soul has a brother which i dont believe we ever see and doesnt really have goals outside of being makas weapon. Death the kid i feel was the only male lead that really mattered plotwise and he was almost the complete opposite of the typical dumb extraverted hotheaded boy that makes up 90 per cent of shonen protags

Eh, Velou was still the main character in Red Hood's one-shot and it was well-loved enough to become a whole series in the first place so that's clearly not it. People really did not seen to care much about Grimm besides how big certain body parts were, unfortunately.

Honestly, I think one of the main issues of Red Hood is that despite the amazing composition, character designs, etc etc... The story simply wasn't that good? It was fine, but nothing particularly catching or poignant. People simply weren't checking in week after week except to ogle the art, but even then that eventually loses its lustre.

In interviews he also stated that he was writing it during a low point in his life which might've also made him end it.

Oh, that makes me sad.

Are you sure? Kubo stated that he had issues and was writting it as he was a low point and in an interview years later that he was "not yet used to the scheduling pressures of weekly serialization" and "paid too much attention to his editor's comments rather than trusting his own ideas" but nothing on choosing to end it. It didn't do well in Japan and I can't find anything on Kubo ending it so with how it was received I can see it getting the ax for normal reasons especially since manga with better sales and commercial success have been cancelled as well.

It was cancelled, just by forces outside Jump's editorial department.

​@@timothymcleanI think it was up to Jump. Everything I've read was that it was cancelled cause it wasn't doing well. Kubo issues probably impacted its quality which probably contribute to it being cancelled but it still looks like it was Jump's choice. Jump has cancelled more successful titles. This video even names 2 of them.

I didn't know that. I absolutely loved Zombie Powder and thought he stopped making it because of them asking him to focus on Bleach. Such a shame 💔

Do you mind linking your source so I can see the article? but yeah, real sad for Kubo and his friends' family😞

I am unfamiliar with it, but they get lots of sympathy and foxvibes from me! 🦊

Didn't know that. So sad. I loved Zombie Powder, wish it could be revived at some point but not if it's gonna take Kubo back to a dark place.

I heard the same years ago after reading the whole series and I'm surprised it didn't get mentioned.

Let's be real; the political message isn't something harming an otherwise competent story, it's the *reason* the rest of the story exists. It's a little like when British officials tried to tell the confederate 'ambassador' that if they just got rid of slavery they could probably get the crown to recognize them as legitimate; yeah, it was probably possible, but it kind of defeats the point.

im kinda curious how they would have worked in the jews, because thats the only direction i could imagine it going

@@loaf8506 Jews caused the Hman and Hman caused the jews in a vicious cycle.

An anti-globalist, anti-immigration story I think could be done well, but the problem is the author beats you over the head with it. Mass migration does create a lot of challenges. Europe is having serious issues with it's migrant situation where they aren't really assimilating into the broader culture and whole cities are ethnically replaced. There is also serious issues with crime as well in a lot of migrant neighborhoods. Despite the broader public being against mass migration the out of touch societal elites such as corporations looking for cheap labor, out of touch intellectuals who don't actually experience the problems of mass migration directly, to politicians who are influence by business and intelligentsia to work against the peoples demands. In UK a big part of Brexit was to reduce immigration into the country and the political class seems to be letting more in than ever. I think a better approach and more nuanced approach is to have a bright eyed main character who thinks immigration and multiculturalism are all just dandy and realizes they present a lot of problems for a community than he realized. Make a point not to show all foreigners are bad, show mosf as being good and just wanting to make a living, but that mass migration does create a lot of problems that might not be worth it for a society. Just to list a number of issues. You can have serious culture clash where there are irreconcilable differences between different groups. For example making cartoons about the Prophet Mohammed where freedom of expression is a paramount value in the West where as among most muslims they think it is sacrilegious and should be a crime. You can have clashes between natives and migrant groups, or clashes between different migrants groups. There was a recent issue in multiple countries where gangs of migrants from two different African countries that were at war were fighting each other in the streets. A minority group the natives have no problem with, the migrants dislike. For example anti-semitism is on the rise in Europe and it isn't because Europeans are becoming more anti-semitic. Another issue is how corporations exploit migrants for cheap labor and push for more migration against the public at large wishes. Whole neighborhoods get ethnically replaced and the locals are forced out. You could show a group of out of touch activist group constantly attacking natives in favor of the migrants even when the migrants are in the wrong. There was an infamous commercial in Sweden telling Swedes have to get out of the way and make room for the "New Swedes". Also the majority of migrants tends to be men. One of the reasons the 19th Amendment was ratified was so the American born women could help out vote the foreigners. Then there is the crime. Certain migrant neighborhoods have high crime rates although interestingly enough a large proportion of crime comes from the children og migrantd who are born in that society. You could also show how governments respond to it. Such as how France is extremely heavy handed with crime and tries to suppress their religious and cultural identities such as banning the hijab, or Britain which actively celebrates multiculturalism and their police have infamously ignored gangs of migrant men prostituting thousands of underage girls because they were afraid of being called racist. There is a lot of interesting topics to explore while criticizing mass migration and globalism, but you're going to need to take a nuanced approach to it and explore those issues in depth. Not just say everything has gone to hell simply because foreigners arrived.

​@ShamanMcLamie I don't fully agree with the sentiment, though I understand that I am probably less knowledgeable in this area. For myself, the recent mass immigration seems to often be people fleeing desperate circumstances, such as Syria. While the refugees themselves are not perfect, the western publics response has also felt indicative of their attitude. Primarily, I am speaking of the response to Ukrainian refugees vs. more Middle Eastern refugees like Syria. While both were fleeing desperate situations, the Western response to Ukraine seemed more noticeably positive. And that positivity is good, but the contrast to the more muted-to-negative reaction to non-white Middle Eastern refugees was...something. Now, it doesn't need to be fully a race thing, as perhaps Westerners felt more aligned culturally with Ukrainians. And as you've noted, there are many issues with mass migration, and people being used as political pawns. But that said, I still think the contrast is worth noting.

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It's so amateurish it's hilarious. You don't make your obvious self insert say your political views aloud. That's total 14yr old writing.

The author is quite decidedly, a fascist.

Xenophobia The Manga😂

I think it's quite dumb to shit on the manga for that line since to the MC Globalization = Rampant crime, extreme corruption, people starving in poverty and relying on vigilantes to try and keep the peace. Like seriously? Ignoring whatever political view you have it's a fact in this setting that the Globalization made MCs country a massive shitshow

No. Nobody wants that.... for the love of god not that.

Would have been a pretty smooth transition though...props

I was so disappointed that it ended. Why is it that when I decide to pickup a new manga about youkai, it gets axed prematurely. Let’s see if Tokyo Demon Bride Story can beat more then 30 chapter.

It started to grow on me as it went on, I gotta say. I think it's biggest issue was just that it didn't do enough special to compete with the other battle shonen in the magazine. It's been pretty difficult to get a new battle shonen to be successful in Jump for a while now.

Idk how early on the author knew it was getting axed but the power scaling and story beats just got out of wack so fast. Tack that on with this being probably the most trope-y shonen I've read to date and unfortunately, I can see why it got cancelled

I was honestly surprised it lasted as long as it did - it came out the same time as Ayashimon and did so much less to set itself apart from other titles in the same "Battling Youkai" subgenre. When Ayashimon got cut first I was shocked; the difference in quality between the two was pretty clear to me.

If you want to know what series are likely to get dropped I'd look at the table of content in every issue of Jump. Basically, it's a barometer for how a series is doing. The series in the front tend to be doing the best while those towards the back are struggling. Chrunchyroll has a thread in their forum with the rankings going back YEARS and while I don't think it is 1 to 1, if you look at the author comments on the Viz community tab it follows relatively closely to the order there too.

I have been reading manga for years and the thing that I have always notice is once a long running manga author finished their series, they just vanish to obscurity. Like they can only make one good series and that's it, once they introduced another it gets cancelled pretty fast and I feel like the company just compares it to their previous work or expecting for it to make money real quick without seeing it's full potential.

@@kaelthunderhoof5619 On some rare cases the author's weren't able to live up to the expectations when making a new manga. Platinum End being made by the author's of Death note had people have huge expectations for it

@@teemo9141 yeah. Just like Naruto's author. This is just a common case of being known for something for so long that people can't associate you with other work.

Yeah me too. I feel so bad for them. They put their dream out there only for it to get canceled!

@@kaelthunderhoof5619 I hope they're all okay, especially mentally, even if they vanish from the spotlight. The grind sounds insane

From what I can tell Red Hoods biggest failing was due to its more slow burn nature. The pacing dragged a bit, and not enough was given to Velou to make him interesting enough to carry the series during those slower times. It honestly felt like reading Claymore; only Raki was the main character instead of Claire. That being said I 100% adored Red Hood and was devastated when i realized the awkward pacing and twists in the last couple chapters were due to imminent cancelation and appreciated the balls it took the author to make it a meta narrative about canceled series in the final pages.

@@caosisaac Yep. Didn't help that the first chapter seemed to set up an adventure series where a wizened hunter shows a newcomer the ropes... only for the series to screech to a halt because the MC refuses the call to action, and they spend three chapters hunting wolves in the starting town. Imagine if the first chapter of One Piece didn't end with Luffy setting out to sea, and instead had him just fuck around Foosha Village for like five chapters until Axe Hand Morgan comes in, bombs the shit out of everything, and then Luffy goes after him. It just doesn't work.

@@jaybeans981 yeah pretty much. Im hindsight the author probably wanted to pull a wedtworld where the secondary character realize that there is something wrong with the hero success and shenanigans like they were scripted. A commentaru to mangas story tropes perhaps? Too bad that while art is good, pacing was terrible and panel organization was jumbled mess at timea taking two or three reading to understand wtf going on. And then there was the fucking training arc, that wanted oh so badly being Hunter X Hunter but missed what make one overlook the atrocious slow moment of HxH.

I was devastated when I learned it was getting cancelled, every character they introduced was SO GOOD and I wanted so badly to see these cool and interesting character each get flushed out and work together with all their different powers and personalities come together as a team. But none of that had the chance to happen. I don't know why it isn't mentioned more when people talk about it, the character writing is easily the manga's best feature, I really hope that the writer gets another shot so I can see more of their characters.

It sounds incredible actually… like crazier version of Claymore

Just like Smile in the Runway.

LMFAO why you had to say Pedo-San☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️😭😭😭

And i still love act-age, but fk you author. I really hope the best for the artist

Luckily Oshi no Ko covers a lot of the same energy and is not as fucked IRL as the contents of the manga itself

@@kaelthunderhoof5619 What happened to Smile Down the Runway?

There's a softcore hentai manga called do you like big girls, story isn't amazing but it'll give you your thicc fix

Read dorohedoro

😭 this is the one that hurt

Sorry, where are people doing 40+ pages weekly? Jump has like an average of 20, and biweekly to monthly series reach 40 pages

@@willywitchdoctor It's still a lot.

@@thepedrothethethe6151 yes I know but it's not 40+ pages. I'm not excusing mangaka work conditions but we don't need to exaggerate the issue, doesn't add anything to the conversation Also I should add OP I hope u don't read manga in general if you think Jump is the worst place to work lmao

This why Korean webtoons have whole teams of people working on the art. They can pretty much release colored work weekly.

@@willywitchdoctor The problem is the editing department. It's hard to do a chapter every week that needs to be editor approved.

Hey maybe it If it sells there’s a chance?

I’m pretty sure that manga would do great over here going off the protags outfit

in english? because I have physical volumes in japanese.

Yes, in English.

This is the one that most intrigued me and I felt had the most potential… I’ll be checking it out

Jump has a long-standing pattern: - manga becomes popular - editors force author at gunpoint to stretch it infinitely - manga drags - numbers drop - editors force author to finish it in 2 issues without warning

@@elilla3583 are you saying dr stone was dragged out? It didn't feel dragged out to me

The ending really wasnt that rushed imo. A bit, but yoy could see where it was heading and as someone who was reading weekly, it was fine.

@@samlewis6487 I personally find that it was rushed from how Senkuu interacted with the final enemy (not gonna spoil anything). You'd think that because of what they are, he'd ask more questions or show more excitement, this is a major discovery after all! But their conversation wraps up in the span of two chapters and then we get the epilogue and a bonus chapter. The arc before that was also shorter than I thought considering getting to and exploring individual locations used to take a bit more chapters even if we didn't see that much of it, so going to several? I figured it'd be around 14-20 chapters. And it's fine that it wasn't, what we were given was solid still. Just felt that some more time could have been given to individual locations.

Japan has a serious issue with ultra-conservatives fucking up pretty much all aspects of society, but it's rarely ever taken seriously by the world community. It doesn't help that so many abroad fans of Japanese media are chuds and completely fine with conservative talking points rearing their ugly head in many creators' works.

Yeah, the series is like what would happen if Naruto started more than halfway through Shippoden and every time someone use a technique there was a pop up wall of text to explain what the power was, what it did, who taught them it, whether or not it was a clan exclusive trait or whatever, etc.

well to be fair not all series are kept around because of "popularity" some series are kept longer simply because they dont have anything else ready and need pages to be filled tokyo iirc was kept around along with other unpopular series (one of them being yui kamio i believe) because they had no replacement, ayashimon was cancelled earlier than doron probably because the author had other projects coming (he had announced not long after the cancellation that he was working on"something " on twitter) so doron probably had its execution date extended by default despite poorer sales

@@Darktusken Oh I see. I did not know that. I just assumed that there was a long waiting list and that titles would get kicked out the moment they underperform. Thanks for the insight.

@@Avatarbee earthchild could have also been ended a couple weeks earlier as it had the perfect moment to end it but got prolongued a couple weeks .i also wonder if thats what happened with yozakura family initially , as theres a moment where a chapter ends with a cliffhanger that could lead to a big final climax for the series and the chapter after that , the cliffhanger is casually thrown in the fridge for later use , i wonder if it was meant to end but got spared because of that or because perhaps they say saw something like increasing sales and decided it could have a future long term but whatever the reason its doing well now , for that matter samurai 8 also lasted longuer than it should have all due to bias (it was the creator of naruto ) and/or the hopes he could turn it into a success as they had spent so much on marketing it (french and american publishers had already planned their release of the volume overseas before it was even published in japan ) i myself got the the two first volumes! (not chapters) free as a sample ,and comedy series for example usually last longuer despite poorer sales because not every genre have the same sales expectation as others, but bottom line theres a lot more to keeping around series than it initially appears.

Same :')

If you haven't read o zoo he also uses a ton of designs from it, most notable gang orca

Same, I really loves Barrage

Agreed, the pacing at the end was a bit jarring.

@@SleepyMatt-zzz pacing at the end was a result of it being canceled and the author wanting to give some type of satisfying ending to the readers

i think the standard is that they share rights with shueisha, but series like Shaman King have moved publishers so it’s not ironclad. Biggest reason is likely nobody wants to pick up a series that already failed and self publishing isn’t a super viable avenue for success and most of these writers would rather move on to try and make something more successful

Agreed. If it was cancelled, it probably wasn’t doing too hot among the Japanese readers in the popularity polls. Starting over might be better.

It's the Japanese, man. The stigma of doing that is not for the faint of heart. There, you either stick by the rules, or everyone shuts you off. It's not even that big of an exaggeration. Japan is tough on some things. After you get known and have a fan base, you can decide a lot, before that, don't even think about it.

Its less that Jump is predatory, and more that getting published in Jump is basically the ONLY way to make serious money in the hypercompetitive shonen market. Less popular publications might get 1 or 2 big successes a year if even that; Jump is putting out basically all of the bangers and having your work in the same mag as freaking Dragonball is a big predictor of success.

@@TheInfiniteAmo Mashima is successful and he doesn't write for Jump

You find the female more interesting because they were written by a man, and appeals to men who tend to be interested in women due to sexuality. You've only revealed your sexist line of thinking to women like myself.

Hmmm... I feel like the TPGW role reversal unfortunately wouldn't work for a few reasons: 1. The brilliance of the manga the girl creates would end up dulled significantly if they show it in detail (since the amazing things you can imagine are always better than the things you see on-page, plus it would come off as really self-aggrandizing on the part of the actual mangaka) 2. It takes away the mystery of how the girl gets the inspiration for her manga 3. It kind of takes away from the conflict of the manga itself -- "struggling artist semi-knowingly chooses to plagiarise an inspired young woman and must now keep up the charade" is a much tenser setup than "girl thinks someone is reading her mind". Manga artist dude is pathetic but he does kick off the story by making an active choice, whereas these things are kind of just happening to the girl

Haha yup it has similiraties but they sadly made the mistake of having the boy be the protag :/

@@Darktusken That hardly was the mistake, the mistake was sidelining any adventure and things that could establish it and quite literally stuffing the cast into a moving iron box to do a "Exam arc" instead.

I'm reading it and already hate the generic shonen protag.

@@emetanti there were multiple mistakes, also the pacing 3 chapters to destroy the starter town wth, those you mentionned and others, but point is there were many bad decisions , i believe people liked the potential of the series more than the series itself.

@@emetanti From other comments, apparently both the soy boy protag and the exam arc were pushed onto the author by editors, which is very believable.

It didn't sell

@@murderman8578 Sir, I was making a joke about breasts.

Debonair spinoff when?

yeah I agree

@@murderman8578 And? Point?

This makes sense. Thank you for sharing!

This is very true! You honestly have to bring the premise, the ENTIRE premise, of your story as soon as possible. A twist isn't just promising something and then pulling the rug from under the audience, and people will feel betrayed by the initial premise. I'm making a comic that's inspired by monster-of-the-week mecha stories, but I make it very clear in the very first chapter that it Isn't Just That. Hopefully people catch what I'm putting down~

And this is the genius of School Live IMO - the promotional material all sells this cutesy slice of life school story but the author hits you with the actual premise right at the end of the first chapter/first episode (in the anime). BAM, you know what you're getting now (if you didn't get spoiled before).

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Rumiko Takahashi did that with Mermaid Saga, I believe. It was an indie project

Damn you, Old Man Capitalism...

Have to go indie and I’m not sure if that’s something you can do in Japan and actually be successful without a huge manga house backing you.

​@@Toastcat890 It's obviously technically possible as shown by One but you'd have to really stick out which is the reason going with a manga house seems to be the safer way (even if it's still far from "safe")

Unrelated comment but I like your OC/self-insert in your pfp

Pretty much. They kept repeating beats between the two main leads, the power system was lazy, the villains were goobers. Not a great manga

I legit only kept up with that one because Kusanagi was adorable.

It was the author's second try after Golem Hearts failed and he just was too afraid to try something unconventional as he just wanted a success

Doron Dororon was like a shonen grown in a test tube using cloned dna from every popular series of the last 10 years.

@@demonoflight roughly, same here. Kusanagi appealed to my taste for shapeshifter characters, and that’s basically all that kept me on.

I've always thought that reading Red Hood was like reading claymore; from the perspective of Raki.

Yeah no lie I read Geoff's description of it then looked it up and am like "So this is like RWBY?"

My exact reaction-

I was thinking Demon Slayer.

hikaru no go got completed. it's a out a ghost teaching a kid how to play a game called go. sometimes I say it's a serious jojo's playing a game with imposter syndrome and often gets into almost gay rivalry with another guy who's good at the game.

If you want more look up Shonen Flop podcast

@@nibblitman that is exactly what I was bout to say

Same. Please appease us with more of this content, Jeff.

Honestly same. It was solid as a start and then abruptly rushed to a finale. Very disappointing...

His twin brother had a less successful career I believe.

@@kobzelfn9588 Kishimoto is a twin...? O.o

@@pyrosianheir I believe so

@@kobzelfn9588 He was decent enough to do an entire manga that ran for a few years.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who caught that and went "wait WHAT"

See there's your problem. You're never supposed to take any piece of entertainment seriously. You're supposed to roll with the punches. In fact, any critical analysis worth its salt starts with meeting the piece of work on its terms, not on yours.

I buy that it was because the Editor pushed him towards doing a Training Arc early. That same Editor has had other series cancelled early and when he was in charge of MHA was when it's numbers had a noticeable dip.

​sounds like someone needs to be fired

I disagree with his opinions that it's overly political. If you suddenly allowed an influx of people into the country like shown in the beginning there'd very easily be an influx of organized crime. Especially since the Yakuza's power has vaned they probably couldn't fight back.

@@GamerGrovyle it would maybe yeah, they are more violent societies for sure, you can even search for how many homicide there are in Japan vs Usa(who isn't anywhere safe levels of a developed country) and Russia have also crime, China has some turbulence so you can make it an argument, but it would make more sense japan don't care about his citizens for decades meanwhile population decline and that broughting crime🤷‍♂️

@@GamerGrovyle I can't tell if this is a Thermian argument (arguing from the implicit position that any story detail is OK if the author states an in-universe explanation) or just a failure to pay attention to what Geoff said about the politics.

​@@timothymcleanoh I was looking for a term for when that happens

Debonair for life

I’m gonna check that one out

I read it literally last week. While it's definitely a shame, I quite liked the meta feeling of cancellation though

I really can’t wait for Kawaguchi’s next project

That training arc was really a mistake. It’s like every interesting aspect of the worldbuilding got thrown out the window before the story even started.

Mazinger Z succeeded in hopping to Kodansha’s WSM (which stands for Weekly Shōnen Magazine) because it and its author were screwed over by WSJ (which stands for Weekly Shōnen Jump).

@@SlapstickGenius23 That was in an era before even Fist of the North Star.

I would still recommend reading it. The ending is super incredibly compressed, but its still pretty good and the idea will leave you think for quite a bit.

Yeah, a lot of interesting series face the issue where they have a strong first chapter but then take to long to pick up from there afterward so the next few chapters are kind of meandering and don't add enough to the world or core cast and then by the time they start trying to address those things it's too late

@@Aaronrules380 Exactly. Potential means nothing if it isn't realized. Why bother with a manga which has a mediocre first few chapters but it'll get good, I swear, when you can read a manga which is good from the start?

@@jaybeans981 "One Piece" has entered the chat.

Huh what, a good premise automatically means a good manga? I have a good premise about am electric hedgehog pokemon, I am going to make my greatest manga ever called sonichu.

@@lordanubis1458 one piece had amazing first chapters

Manga on jump plus get cancelled too , manga plus only shows a select few of the manga in jump plus.

That's why I think Manga Plus should have paid option so "western audience" had a chance/validation to vote in popularity polls.

Boy if that happened the magazine would just be 20 action series of dubious quality while good series like Roboco and Akane Banashi are cancelled, no thanks.

Manga on jump plus gets cancelled all the time. You wouldn't know cause we don't have access to like 80 percent of Manga there

Wouldn't it be nice if some series cut from Shonen Jump before their time got a chance to continue serialization on Shueisha's online manga platform?

I didn't even know it was still going! I need to get back into it, it's a great series.

@@tampabaybuccaneer10 One of my favorites. Dark Horse stopped publishing individual volumes but are now publishing it in Omnibus format with 3 volumes per book. They initially just collected the existing volumes into this format. Last month they finally hit book 5 in this format, meaning a new, previously untranslated tankobon (volume 15) was published.

Boy do I have a podcast for you

Truuuuuue.

Asirpa eating miso noodles for the first time is among my favorite double page spreads in manga.

Or Ken ishikawa

One of the things I find very endearing about Dandadan is how clearly the artist was inspired by Golden Kamuy's comedy faces.

It's also a weird statement because Oda's not particularly good at expressions. He draws cartoons, not faces. It's kinda one of the trademarks of his art style, the fact that he draws cartoons.

Also Chainsaw Man

I've been thinking about this for a while - I get from a business perspective you want a magazine out every week, but there's still ways to do that without having everyone on a weekly schedule. One of Shueisha's big weaknesses as a company is that they only have ONE weekly magazine and two monthly magazines per demographic at most. That means when times are good all the talent is concentrated in one place, but when for instance a lot of your most popular authors end their series in relatively rapid succession (like over these past two years) things can start to get hairy, fast. Other companies like Kadokawa and Shogakukan have a lot of different magazines per demographic which *seems* a lot more unstable and unfocused, but is actually the opposite-megahits AOT ending, for instance, might make a bit of a dent in your bottom like, but you have so many other series that are decently popular among a more niche demographic that it isn't something to worry about. Making WSJ biweekly would a) Improve working conditions for mangaka, obviously. b) Allow you to start a lot more series at once c) Still allow you to have one, monolithic magazine

So many of my favorite manga are biweekly now and I love it because it actually gives them a chance to breathe.

I feel the author of ayashimon didn't know what he really wanted

@@ShonenFlop That is precisely why we usually let authors have some time to find a footing and figure out a direction. Punishing a slow start is just bad form.

@@ShonenFlop I think cramming all of the world building and exposition of power system in early chapters really affected it. Hell's Paradise did those things after like 60-70 chapters and in a much more coherent way. Also the artstyle and characters were superior in every way even from the 1st chapter. Kinda sad that he couldn't bring the same magic with Ayashimon. I hope he doesn't give up. I love Hell's Paradise and I hope he brings another series with same magic.

They canceled Ayashimon? That's too bad. I was enjoying reading that one on the Viz Manga app. Might have to cancel my subcription with that app soon. It is only $2 a month, but it feels like they have less and less stuff you can actually read as most of them require you to buy the manga volumes rather than be included in the subscription.

@@mrzed385 One trend I've noticed with a lot of recent Shonen Jump manga (by which I mean "every series released in the last year, at least") is that they feel the need to frontload their manga with as much as possible, like they're expecting the entire series to live or die based on readers seeing that first chapter and already understanding what makes the series cool. It's ruined a few series I otherwise think I would have loved, but in an environment like Shonen Jump, I feel like it's an inevitable adaptation that mangaka would evolve, hoping that their manga won't underperform in its first month and get cut before it has a chance to prove itself.

Seriously, if your political stance is basically "Abe Shinzo is a weak-willed lefty liberal snowflake", you got fucking issues.

I read like the opening few pages before we even got to meet the MC and just closed it. It looked really cool, but if you have to start your "ninja do ninja things" story with a whole exposition on how transit and globalization is bad, i don't have high hopes for you. It's ninjas! doing cool shit! It's on the cover! Why not start with that?

This just reminded me of GATE's atrociously nationalistic author and message. They get a cool idea with good potential - modern Japan gets invaded by a fantasy army from another world, which then causes Japan to retaliate through a portal and create a foothold in this new fantasy world - and then ruin it by bringing in unnecessary (and wrong) political stuff like painting the rest of the world (especially America) as this bunch of evil, greedy sorts who want to steal Japan's rightful claim to the fantasy land (nevermind the fact Japan is absolutely decimating the medieval-like armies of the other world).

@@tyrus1235 personally i wasn't phased by what the author did since from webcomics I've read i usually expect for the author to make other countries villains.

It's not wrong. Call it neoliberalism or global capitalism, they're similar concepts.

Seconded!

I loved it. Once I smelled the cancellation I got really upset

I would not recommend, utter waste of timr

It's not terribly long, only like 14 chapters or something. If you're curious it's not a big time sink.

I was a dope premise that then shot itself in the foot any time it addressed its own premise.

It was a lot like trigun but had potential.

I liked the powder as a MacGuffin, but it didn't have complete time to develop and there were other interesting things. I think if the series had continued with how the rings worked we would have seen some pretty crazy situations, the rings clearly had a "conscience" so maybe one could have been completely independent and gone on a killing spree. I wanted to know more about Gamma's past and who was "that man" which whom his style of swordsmanship should have died with.

@@Alacaelum there was some chick from his past too

the macguffin that ate people was boring?

If you dig the sticker gives you abilities aspect, check out Blazer Drive. It's the same concept but more anime-ish powers and the sticker designs look good. It's another pretty short series too.

@@shouta1255 i'll have to check it out. ty

dap me up

SAAAME

its honestly hard to tell depends how long the author is unable to work,because even if they dont cancel him right away , all hype could vanish if it takes too long and lose the readers.

Whenever manga is in a bull market, expect this sort of thing to happen. Gawrsh, I remember the bull market of the late 90s-mid 2000s, which gave us imports of stuff like Hamtaro. Not sure if today's bull market is big enough for them to translate older U19 club members... We still haven't gotten giants like KochiKame, for one.

@@austinreed7343 It depends. Viz previously licensed a couple of series Tatsuya Endo made before Spy x Family, even though they were U19 material. Fist of the North Star is getting a translation decades after its release because it's a cornerstone of shonen manga. It all comes down to if there's a justifiable reason for printing a manga which ended years ago.

@@jaybeans981 Yeah. Hoping for Kinikkuman, though it has a lot of problematic imagery that may end up giving it an adult only label.

Doubt it.... the market is flooded with nothing but isekai. And with readers slowly gravitating towards colored webtoon. It's hard for mangakas to keep up. A lot of characters also don't have any charisma. Which is a huge problem for Jump. Because the readers are children they want a hero they can aspire to be.

@@zhenyucai8688 webcomics are slowly being flooded by Dungeon manhwas

@@zhenyucai8688 Doubt it? Literally a recent example is Yuki Tabata, who some years ago was getting his series axed in less than 30 chapters and nowadays is running one of the Weekly Shounen Jump flagships

@@gerardoalexandergarciamend7053 Survivorship bias. Much like businesses, most mangaka fail. Peoole, however, only see the successful ones causing them to have a skewed perception of the industry.

@@hypothalapotamus5293 Yes but you can apply that exact same logic to everything, including webtoons

The way it would solve problems then completely shift like that made me feel like each chapter was written by someone different.

Yeah, that was an issue, it’s like the author wrapped all the threads in one chapter so there was nothing interesting to look forward to. Also I think the main character just comes off super whiny and privileged.

Not to mention plagiarism is abhorrent thing in any creative or academic field and manga didn't really work with that concept well.

Yup, people want to scapegoat the audience as not being mature enough but the mangaka killed their own premise at every opportunity. It wasn't the audience who didn't get the premise, it was apparently the mangaka not knowing what the point of their own series was. People want to think it was good because of the premise but it dropped the premise immediately.

I'm curious since you seem to know the past work of the Jump authors, what can you say about Kouji Miura and Takamasa Moue? Both have had massive success and I'm curious what they did before.

@@Blaze_1013Miura had a failed series in another magazine before she did blue box Moue has only done a couple one shots along with his writing partner. It seems he’s a more “out of nowhere” kind of guy like Mapollo-3

@@iancole2279 Awesome to know. Thanks :)

@@iancole2279 Not entirely, Moue wrote a very short-lived soccer manga called "Olé Golazo" from late 2016 to early 2017.

@@lordanubis1458 RIP Bamba the Man.

That series had so much potential, it and Phantom Seer had what it took to be the next big series in the magazine alas…

It was so good I needed it to continue and then it just didn't.

@@larsnyman2455 Potential means nothing if it can't be realized. What would you rather read - a series which is okay at best but it'll totally get good by chapter 20, or a series which is good NOW?

@@jaybeans981 a series that’s a 6/10 in the first 10-20 chapters but evolves to a 8 or 9/10 by chapter 30 or 35 as it gradually evolves from mechanical and thematic standpoints, which is why Phantom Seer’s cancellation was such a disappointment

@@jaybeans981 the former. if we were judging manga by how good they were right off the bat, the best selling manga of all time wouldn't exist.

Did the Red Hood Oneshot hint at the revelations seen near the end

Totally agree mate psyren deserved better it's still a dope manga but the ending was tarnished

that and Mx0 are my biggest grief from the canned Shounen...

I was looking for the Psyren love down here. Absolutely agree. The story was so banger, and it's sad it had to rush to the end. It deserved better.

That was a great manga. I really liked the plot of them traveling to the future and then changing things in the present causing the future to be different every time they went back. I hadn't realized it was going to be canceled, but that makes sense now thinking back to how the ending went.

Do it! It's a really interesting topic of discussion 😁

Hope you do it!!

Horikoshi has some cool ideas like that in Boku no Hero Academia as well, I remember an instance where the bubbles are shaped like the character's heads, it's neat. He is a fantastic artist, especially for eyes and hands, but goddamn, that story is bad right now. Last chapter was rather refreshing, but the damage is done.

​@@aerrowqueingwhat happened?

Didn't deserve anything

I would have liked to see it get better if it had more time. Sadly it had a rough start and I can see why people would drop it.

@@Megaman12Protoman14 I think the idea of candy being weapons or even utility is interesting Imagine gobstoppers as bubble shields Or curlywurly's as ladders. With some series on the worlds different sweets you've got something special Just sadly it didn't have enough to make it all interesting and worth while. Maybe I should reread it and see if theres something I'm missing

@@arbetor12 The eacalation of the powers showed some pretty good creativity, and I liked the personalities of the two leads but... it probably would have benefited from some tweaking to the premise. Maybe making the cast older or changing up the pacing. Imo it felt too fast, but I loved how Red Hood was paced and people called that slow so maybe I'm just weird.

Oshi no Ko and Akane-Banashi are decent replacements if you want to fill the void.

@@jaybeans981 Especially Oshi no Ko. That was so satisfying.

Actage was about to become the biggest manga/anime. Shame the author was a predator

Although it's a lot older, you might like Glass Mask.

@@teemo9141 biggest ok calm down

More like mediocre writing.

@@digimonlover1632Nah it’s just plan bad

Ruri Dragon is on indefinite hiatus, but it most definitely hasn't been cancelled. While we don't have a lot of hard numbers to go on, it was easily one of the most-read debut chapters on Jump's online platforms, and by all appearances was set to be super successful. And JUMP has certainly been willing to wait for an artist to recover if their series is popular - World Trigger was on hiatus for over 2 years before it came back and is now publishing in a monthly magazine so it can continue. So providing the author is healthy and willing to continue, it definitely has a chance of coming back in some form.

So far it's on an indefinite hiatus. I'm really hoping it'll come back strong soon and am hopeful on it not getting cancelled since it's first volume sold so remarkably well it reached demon slayer numbers the week of release.

Last I heard it was on hiatus until the author could return. They haven't put in a replacement series for it yet at least.

@@caosisaac I'm not sure where you're getting that info, but Ruri Dragon's first volume hasn't released yet (probably because there's not enough material for a full volume) so there's no way it's "reached demon slayer numbers" or any numbers.

@@poseidonson13 a couple popular chapters don’t mean much at all. What matters is maintaining that popularity. Maybe it could’ve but I thought it was a long shot from the beginning since it doesn’t have any real conflict or story. But especially now that it lost any momentum it had with the hiatus. Id bet money it’s canceled within 20 chapters

Thanks for reminding me of MX0, something I read way after it'd finished and then was like "Wait.... that's it? Where's the rest?"

How’re you liking Sakamoto Days and Elusive Samurai?

Yeah.... Mx0's ending was such a waste... On the other hand, Psyren might have been canceled but I think it ended very nicely and would have actually lost its appeal had it gone on for too long. One rare case where the manga was canceled at the exact right time IMO.

Psyren is a series that desperately needed an anime adaption during it's run in order to stabilize it's popularity

Man I loved Psyren back when Shonen Jump was publishing physical magazines

Oh yeah! The one written by Masahis Kishimoto's brother. Good times.

@@luishenriquez4171 please tell me you remember the name. I can remember how it freaking ends, but not the name of the manga

It was Blazer Drive

Also, not to bash Japan, but if the rail also connected to North America, why on earth would immigrants cram themselves into the much smaller Japan?

It's like racism doesn't really make sense

@@ShonenFlop whats even stranger is the villains (at least the ones presented in the vid) seemingly have nothing to do with those events the greedy dude even has a japanese name and doesnt look foreign ( i guess he could be an immigrant with japanese ancestry as a longshot) making the thing even more confusing

I mean, they come to europe via tiny boats. How is it far fetched to think that a globally connected travel system brought even worse results?

@@Rekop33 Slums do do they? Love to see how poor quality residential buildings steer boats...