Fallout 76: The Full Story of the Atom Shop 

if he's explaining, it's interesting. if he's exploring, it's intriguing. :)

Somebody escaped from the dungeon.

I dunno why this caught me off guard, but I wish I hadn't read it at work... while drinking coffee.

Much like his catchphrases of "a little bit on the [adjective] side..." or "keep on keeping on"

replace interesting with gross. All these practices by bethesda are horrible and I cant imagine the next games are not going to follow these practices.

Calling it. this comments gonna blow up with likes after a couple hours

@@hamzahsajjad7952 yeah for some reason people still upvote copy paste comments

Such a good game that I don't need to buy it to get entertainment

Gotta love the warm feeling watching the dumpster fire.

John is like 9 to 11 months late but at least you got here in the end

only in some countries

@@stevencleere4912 It's illegal in both the US and the EU. So Bethesda is breaking the law.

Literally every company does it it’s a marketing strategy

@@cptbrickbeardgaming6764 Most jurisdictions require that an item has to have actually been sold under the "previous price" for some period of time, otherwise it's misleading marketing. The US might not care much, but in the EU there are some serious financial penalties for this as it's generally regarded as both misleading to the consumer and anticompetitive.

Jonas D. Atlas ya I would doubt it in Europe but I know in the US you can do it and the government doesn’t really care I’m not saying it’s right I’m saying it’s a marketing tactic they teach

I'm only paying if they give me a tv that looks like an apple

Or Ekans.

At least they dont e-beg monthly patreon donations for making shitty amatuar youtube videos...

@Forsaken Pumpkin An asinine point deserves an asinine response.

@@ryudhal touche

it just works

This reminds me of Jim Sterling, he's always saying that, and it's true.

That's literally any digital game with microtransactions ever. I'm not saying this to defend Bethesda, it's a horrible and widespread practice that makes me ashamed to be a part of the industry.

Ellanion yeah, part of the boiling frog metaphor I’d say

That's computer 101

It's pretty much the universal model of games with cash shops, and it's why so many people are vehemently against micro-transactions.

@@Rush2201 i dont understand why people are so against microtransactions granted i very rarely buy any.

@@ayderla789 You just said this as a reply to a comment that explains why... which was made for a video that explains why.

@@fingusa yeah i know it should be more obvious but as far as i can tell everyone hates bethesda

@@Rush2201 Most people aren't against microtransactions. They make sense for a game to fund future updates without splitting the community by selling them as individual map packs or questlines in expansions that only part of the community gets to participate in. Some companies take it too far by making the transactions feel necessary.

sure you're not describing politics?

@@theirishviking9278 the two of you are being very generous to people who work outside of retail and politics. People are generally just bad at things.

@@ryderninjaFor politics, incompetence isnt a valid excuse for anything, in the case of game devs its only valid for so long, and when its clear the dev isnt learning from their mistakes, you should leave them.

Sounds just like the Labour Party.

@@73_65 It's not usually even the Devs' fault, though. Most devs don't want their game to be a heartless microtransaction coffin that players shit on. It's all on the publishers who dictate these kinds of decisions.

At least in game they'd turn you into the hulk. Edit: before anyone says anything, I got the joke from honest trailers for the outer world's.

One of the more pointed comments I heard about this is about Bethesda missing the point so much that they took the in-game mascot literally parodying corporate greed and are unironically using it to shell out their products.

@Conn Benn Depends on our conceptualization of 'ownership'. Legally - in the world at large - Bethesda was granted rights as the owner of the franchise through an accepted and observed transaction in which they purchased the rights to profit off of the images and properties and any such challenge to their ownership of the IP and their ability to profit off the success of said IP would not likely be taken seriously. Unofficially, we know as fans of the franchise that what is now considered property of Bethesda is little more than goods masterminded by others who put their love and labor into their creation - and as such Bethesda is granted little authorial integrity in the court of public opinion. Basically how Disney purchased the ability to make money off the Star Wars IP, but this hardly means anyone need accept their version of the canon.

lmao they've always been that way. Remember Horse Armor DLC for Oblivion? Skyrim getting rereleased a thousand times?

@Conn Benn It doesn't matter. It's theirs now. Deal with it.

Clever clever

"lets all laugh at an industry that never learns anything tee hee hee!"

beautiful /applause

**Cough Cough** Electronic Arts **Cough Cough**

i dont think corruption is the correct term to use here. shitty cunts maybe, but corrupt it aint.

I think you mean they've taken the .44 magnum from the back of his skull

“No, please! I’ll delete the video, I’ll do anything! JUST GIVE ME BACK MY BETHESDA WOMEN!!”

Jon is honest about when he is being paid he admits it and will own up to it and still give his honest opinion. He wanted 76 to be good but it fell terribly short

Vance Jacobs is joke

@Vance Jacobs they're all joking

An objective analysis of the system with simple explanations of how the system exploits the consumer will always be more effective than a vaguely coherent rant that assumes it's own premise.

Not really though? I'm not sure you know what scathing means.

@@pickle5666 All this has been already said and explained months ago or more . And judging by the public perception of 76, the "rants" have been both effective and coherent enough.

@@legion999 Good joke...Yooooonnnng out!!!!!

The best video about FO76 is Fall of 76 by internethistorian :)

I know it's been 4 months but I love this quote. What's it from?

@@hamos4744 the zero punctuation episode on Ghost Recon Breakpoint

Well its suppose to cost the time and work spe d making it but its still a scam it cost to buy an item should be 30 40 50 atoms also there is no insurence that the game will not just delete the iten so it should be chaeper

I mean, these assets had to be created by someone who was paid for it, and are dlc beyond that. The problem is not that they exist, rather the absolutely insane prices.

It's Fallout 76, an always-online semi-MMO NPC-free story-free looter shooter (with broken looting AND shooting mechanics), marketed as a sequel to a long-running series of fully-offline single-player NPC-filled story-driven looter shooters. Fallout 76 was doomed to ALWAYS BE a clusterflip from the moment they called it Fallout and tied it to Bethesda's long-outdated Morrowind engine.

@@nadrewod999 yeah, i don't know how the people who thought this would turn out well survive in this world. its these kinda fools that keep grifters in business and keeps me questioning why i do real work instead of selling snake oil.

@@nadrewod999 It was never marketed as a sequel (especially since it's the earliest setting for a Fallout game). No one expected Fallout 5, but when they found out it was Fallout, they NEEDED it to be Fallout 5. Which is why so many people are following it to this day. It's that "so close, yet so far" and since it's getting continually updated, people are hoping to force Bethesda to make it into what they want. Also, if it weren't on the creation engine, people wouldn't be as interested. ESO tried to be on it but couldn't get the game to work. As a result, it's not Skyrim online and doesn't draw in the same crowd. Say what you will about the engine, but you don't get the same gameplay without it.

It's whales, not Wales.

@@charlesfranks1902 you would say that, Charles Prince of Wales!

@@charlesfranks1902 Someone clearly didn't read to the end of the comment ;)

Not gonna lie, they had us in the first half

Leave the Brits out of this. They ain't dunuffin

Love the Star Trek pfp

Question, are we saying nessecery without having high level repair perks alongside high damage output

I never needed a single repair kit and got all the different power armor types you could craft from it. You must have been playing it wrong, my group had little to no difficulties other than the tediousness of it

Very interesting indeed

That's what happens when someone CARES about a franchise(also Jon is a complete madman of data gathering). As opposed to people that just want to bank on controversies after reading a couple of posts on reddit.

@@Ris3451 "someone CARES about a franchise" Bullshit. If he cared about the franchise so much he wouldn't have been defending 76 for so long. " people that just want to bank on controversies" And Jon wasn't "banking" on this game to make video content? Piss off.

@@legion999 I lost faith in Jon when he defended Fallout 3, then Fallout 76 came along and he became Bethesda defender extroardinaire

@@legion999 then go have fun with your Outer Worlds. No franchise needs elitists and no one will miss you.

@@PHANTOMVERSE What the hell is wrong with him defending Fallout 3? His analysis on it is fair and actually looking at the game on a more in depth level than most people who make videos on it for the sake of ragging on it. Just because Bethesda made it, and because Bethesda does shady shit with the Fallout franchise now does not mean Fallout 3 was like that.

Alternatively: How to Kill Your Liver in Only a Few Easy Steps.

Just dropping in from the future to note that in 8 months' time, with the inclusion of a single comma, this comment will seem weirdly prescient. In the interest of avoiding spoilers, it will not be revealed which of the two logical positions for said punctuation will turn out to have made the most sense.

@@mid-nite_drive-thru this is actually messing me up a bit🥴

Its not Todd Howard making the decisions but I’m not suggesting he was against it either given fallout 4 and fallout shelter,

Bethesda Game Studios. Very serious business

My first thought as well.

The Fall of 76 pt. 2 featuring Many A True Nerd, that would be something

Buckle Up Buckeroos

I'm sure he could find the location if he wanted to

jheuflfl thegamer lmaoooo

No they can't. Whales are those who's OCD are being exploited whether they are willing to admit it or not. There is also an impression that Whales are rich and able to afford thousands of dollars of micro transactions and loot boxes when often they are reported as having their parents bank accounts charged in the thousands. The majority of the profits for F2P mobile games, egregious micro transactions and loot boxes for AAA publishers come from a small segment of the gaming population. Before you may consider that this only effects the small population who pays for the majority of these micro transactions leaving everything else "relatively free" for everyone else, it has incentivized the game industry to design more and more games around recurring monetization (which this video has pointed out) - games as a service (live services, game streaming - Stadia) - Fallout 76's growing Atom store - Microsoft's attempt at the Xbox one online only functionality (of course that was stopped) and more.

@@AdmiralBison In financial jargon, a whale is someone who has a lot of wealth to spread around; a high roller. Also, I made an offhand joke about rich people being able to afford to spend in these shops and their need to have every new thing, no matter the cost. I don't need you coming at me like I was the one who invented the concept of loot boxes/game shops. If you have a problem, take it up with Bethesda.

@@LumiMoonCh definition - A high roller, also referred to as a whale, is a gambler who consistently wagers large amounts of money. High rollers often receive lavish "comps" from casinos to lure them onto the gambling floors, such as free private jet transfers, limousine use and use of the casinos' best suites. Casinos may also extend credit to a player to continue betting,[1] offer rebates on betting turnover or losses,[2] and salaries of employees may also contain incentive arrangements to bring in high rollers.[3] - Wikipedia.

@@LumiMoonCh no where in the definition is a whale who has a lot of wealth, most addicted gamblers are not wealthy, and often than not are in debt. "person has to get a second job to feed their (name addiction) addiction" There are more reports on the news of people having their parents bank accounts charged in the thousands. If whales were truly wealthy, it wouldn't actually be an issue, but they are not. It's misconception whales are wealthy and it also ignores the problem when it come to OCD being exploited and gambling addiction - debt.

The frog analogy originates from a science experiment where the scientists found out that the frog indeed stays put on slowly warming water... as long as you sever a few nerves first. "People really hate frogs" indeed

It's the perfect way to describe the encroachment of corporate greed and microtransactions in games in general. Little by little over 10 years.

Also, the frogurt is cursed!

*Concerned Kermit Noises*

Yeah well I knew this water was gonna be boiling before they put it on the stove.

Dont kid yourself, Bethesda have always been greedy, they're just also incompetent so until now most of their schemes blew up before they could do much damage.

Horse armour?

Now, to be fair to EA, when one of EA's shills (Gggmanlives) failed to disclose that he was bribed, they backed out of the bribe hard because that's illegal. When Bethesda's shills don't disclose their bribe (Oxhorn, Juicehead, Kingfanman) they are fine with it. Oh, and you can at least say some EA games are functional. So, even EA isn't as bad as Bethesda.

@@crazyinsane500 Juicehead operates on the cautious side (cautious towards Bethesda) most likely do to his viewers (presumable like you) unsubscribing and losing him money if he's too casual when talking about Bethesda, and not angry mob tantruming.

Wasn't Bethesda the first game company to introduce microtransactions to the gaming industry?

By stealth update do you mean hotfix? Those can be done server side without the players needing to download anything on their end

@Zach Bell But the reason for having a hotfix instead of a full patch update is that it's usually a small technical thing that can be quickly implemented. It's weird to think that it's some secret conspiracy to hide things from people. I'd hazard a guess that they were simply "fixing" an oversight with the scrap to ore thing. In any case, Idk if op is referring to a hotfix or simply details being left out of patch notes that had to be discovered by players. After looking up some old forums, I found surely questionable details left out of patch notes, but these were from last year and not recent so Idk if they're still doing these so-called "stealth" changes.

@@BradTheAmerican They still do stealth changes, it's just impossible to tell whether it's intentional or not.

I don't know why you'd give Bethesda the benefit of the doubt considering they released fallout 76

@@Eon2641 It's not necessarily that I'm giving Bethesda the benefit of the doubt, but rather that I'm questioning what I perceive to be a flawed criticism and then I give a possible alternative. Talk shit about bad game design and poor business practices or whatever, that's fine, but we can't know that their intent is doing so-called stealth updates for the purposes of tricking or hiding things from players.

@Rule falsely "discounting" products you haven't previously sold/advertised at a higher msrp

Including the entire European Union.

@@lud3re384 but don't worry! Boris is gonna "fix" that!

Keep watching the video chuckleheads, this is literally covered a few seconds later.

Jayfive 276 Jon said "there are pretty strict rules" about doing that, the other commenters specified that there aren't just "strict rules" but it's literally illegal

I liked fallout 76 better than the outer worlds a lot actually. The outer worlds definitely isnt much compared to a mainstream fallout game, but fallout 76 is enjoyable for other reasons to me, it was superchill to play. (I never spent on the atomshop or fallout 1st)

Richard Northcutt ... it’s shite. FO76 is utter shite.

@@richardnorthcutt9356 I appreciate when people have their own opinions For me personally, especially early on, the reasons that most people hating the game are what I found enjoyable. The chronic instability, the buggy fucking mess that it was... Was basically just any other Bethesda game on launch, only this time round they didn't even try to fix it... But that was compensated for by the fact that, if your falling through the world every five minutes your gonna get annoyed really fast, but if you're falling through the world _with friends_ you're gonna have a fucking blast. That's what was great about early 76 the community was just a bunch of chucklefucks trying to have fun Something you'd never see in a game that is actually worth buying on its own... At least not to that degree, but these days I haven't even looked at the game in months bc all the people I used to play with abandoned it soon after Christmas... I still occasionally redownload to just get hit with some good memories but that's it But yeah... I'm glad you enjoy what you enjoy, don't let anyone take that from you.

@Luke Sexton And that it was "shite" was his opinion.

@@RU-vidcanfuckagoat And The Outer Wilds was a polished disappointment, we are talking about two very low bars here.

neat

Todd Howard: I will make it legal

That's also illegal in the US.

And in Australia

And in Canada

@@icthulu no it's not "James Kohm, head of the enforcement division at the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), told NBC News there are no specific federal rules about how long a sale can run." “It’s an area of enforcement that’s been left to the states,” Kohm said. The law that is there is left vague on purpose to allow states to have their own laws.

Terry Lawhon agreed, I’m 42 and go way back to the c64. These developers are losing their minds trying to nickel and dime. Remember to get Cyberpunk-seems that CDProjektRed are some of the only real game developers left at the AAA level.

A good part of this is the hyper-monopolistic competition going on. The price of video games have no kept up with inflation at all. For instance, a game today still costs as much as a game did when the Xbox 460 was released nearly 15 years ago. Adjusted for inflation, that means that about 25% of their value has been lost. Normally a company would be able to raise prices to keep things balanced, but for extremely competitive consumer product markets, this isn't always the case. You try being the only gaming company to charge $65 for your games and watch the internet skewer you. Because of this, companies have been looking for other ways to keep their profit up. I'm not trying to defend Bethesda at all, but it's pretty clear that there's a lot of market pressure to raise the price of video games.

Wojtek The Bear why is this a good thing though?

@@lukebytes5366 Sorry, I didn't mean good as in beneficial, but good as in a large part.

how is the outer worlds? how does it compare to new vegas?

yeah, they're only satisfying to get if you earn them in game. otherwise what's the point

All of this is false. Repair kits were easy to get for free and we're never that useful. Resources have always been easy to get and ammo is even easier.

not only that but if you compare with the game launch the daily atom challenges have been getting more and more specific to the point were they were almost impossible to complete. It first started when they launched the camera and it got progressively more absurd and it doesn't even end there; many of their challenges are bugged and your progress don't register.

@@Spiffo0 what the fuck are you talking about??

JackOfBlades The shipmaster almost all of the daily and weekly challenges are ridiculously easy to complete so idk what you are on about

I remember watching his 2 hour video talking about the game and the 3 guys looked visually exhausted and saying how they couldn't take more of it and just rushed the review because of concerns with their health

*zeni max

Weren't people complaining about this immediately? Maybe Jon wasn't paying attention

jon is far, far too permissive towards bad games and worse business, i'm really glad to see it whenever he actually looks at a near ubiquitously agreed on failure with a critical eye

Angry Pedro more like

Calling them out for the weakest reason and at the end of the discussion, nice.

>calling out Bethesda You're on the wrong channel

@@PHANTOMVERSE the whole video he was calling them out, you dumbass)

It means we're all dead... or moved to a different office.

LIGHT WOOD LAMINATE!

@@benpurdy7459 LIGHTWOOD LAMINATE!

@@metetural9140 LIGHTWOOD LAMINATE!

@@Sky_FMJ LIGHTWOOD LAMINATE!

So you never played it then? So you watched videos for a year, on a game you didn't try, and you've made up your mind then? Interesting.

@@EQOAnostalgia We as a species have only been able to accomplish what we have because everyone doesn't have to reinvent the wheel, so to speak. Reviews are beneficial because that allows one to get a basic opinion of something without having to potentially waste time and money. If you know enough about your own likes/dislikes, you don't have to have direct, first hand experience to make a fairly good decision.

@@EQOAnostalgia the game's too boring, the content about the dumpster fire is far more entertaining. No, I didn't need to watch S8 of GoT either, the signs were there in S7, reviews confirmed them.

@@EQOAnostalgia When the evidence is so overwhelming, you don't need to play the game to form an obvious opinion. And that coming from me that has played the game. Also, it's not just about gameplay, it's about the blatant manipualtive anto consumer practises too. Which you neglect.

@@EQOAnostalgia shut your mouth, you don't seem as smart as you think you are.

Come on Minsc! Let's be valiant heroes! For fame and glory!

me too

Me three

+1

You all know that youtube doesn't work like that right? It's all about what you watch, not what you say about it.

@@globalincident694 We don't really know that do we?

Fucking morons saying shit about a game that isn't even out yet.

@@Spiffo0 Considering the latest of Batheda's RPGs, including Fallout 76 if you consider the Atom Shop in the same field (which I personally do) it's very, very safe to assume that Elder Scrolls 6 will follow suit with more paid mods/micro DLC/Microtransactions. There is nothing mornonic about that deduction.

@@Spiffo0 Fucking morons, defending big companies with tendencies for fucking their customers over! Don't hurt ya self thinking, fan boy :D

@@Spiffo0 bethesda has a pattern going back decades, dumb ass, we can easily see where they are going. hell, we knew bethesda was going to do something incredibly greedy for the next game after fallout 4, we ust didn't know they would jump head long off the deep end.

Actual sperglords being outraged over stuff that hasn't even happened yet. And you'll all be there buying TES6 on launch day despite saying you won't soy boys.

Also the membership didn't even work properly on launch

@@beastonthehunt Very true, as is the "Base" game. A game some paid hundreds on. Definitely not fair to customers I agree.

Probably not as soul crushing as watching all the dick sucking of Fallout 2, the one that was nothing like the game they created.

76 lives or dies by its first major expansion Wastelanders. It's that simple. But i can assure you of this much, the player base is on the rise, not on the decline and that's a promise.

Xander Ellem Fleetwood Mac!

@@GeddyRC And Todd Howard!

In one brilliant move, you've dodged more bullets than Neo.

Never preorder anything. I wish the community could get together and boycott all preordering until it dies.

@@kyr58 Nah I took the Red pill instead. Or was it the blue pill?

If it is the scam aspect that put you off, you have to avoide quite a lot of games from quite a few publishers. Only the actual games are often better.

Jon Tobin What if you get a lot of extra stuff? I’ve thought about preordering P5 Royal because of the mask, art book, dlc, et cetera.

Personally I'm nuclear. I'm wild. I'm breaking up inside.

That pun was awful, i won't charge you though.

@@TrickZ_Retz it's always a question of value. There's not much point preordering a standard copy (and none for digital only) but some times I want the toys that come in the collectors edition. And I would have been tempted with getting the collectors edition. Who didn't want a power armor helmet and genuine Canvas Bag ... Still at least I've enjoyed the fallout from this terrible game.

I'm scared for the new elder scrolls

Path of Exiles does it right

Should Fallout have ever been a game where you have to grind to unlock meta currency?

I know, right? I mean, who would do such a thing? Terrible!

@Rule sarcasm, the video felt like a deposition more then just a video essay.

I'm going to laugh when it's use step by step to create one.

I heartily agree

in any multiplayer game cosmetics have a measurable impact on the game play; self expression is very important, especially in a social and competitive environment where you will want to set yourself apart. if everyone in an mmo looks roughly the same, or the variation between characters is really small then no one will play that mmo, most people will spend a lot of time and effort to look distinct and remain viable. then there is the benefits of blending in an area in a competitive game, or being recognizable in games you could earn a reputation in (like eve).

as a Old wow Roleplayer (late vanila to early cata) cosmetic only is in my eye as bad as selling stats boost. Devs cosmetic only (PVE and PVP sounds good I dont care about it really. RP that sucks. Devs Gear state boosters only (PVE and PVP that sucks, RP well not great but okey I can deal whit it I dont care about that part really). and let me remind you in Wrath the moment the latest raid that took 3 month to make is cleared by the PVP and PVE player in about 2-3 week is done they log out, ice the subscriptions untill devs put something out again. RP after the latest patch is released. after latest content is cleared in 2-4 weeks. they start to RP in full swing gear and highspeed for up to years after wards. Roleplayer are the only type of players that create there own content, PVP and PVE dont really do that.

Not sure you're with the times but Fallout hasn't been a decent RPG since NV, and before that, Fallout 1 and 2. Fallout 3 and 4 are First Person shooters, nothing more, nothing less. Their entire storylines are predictable and streamlined.

Exactly what I was thinking. Most of the clothing items in the base game are the same ones from Fallout 4. What then, distinguishes this game from the previous one in this category?

And yet two years later... Still 40 on steam plus a bunch of other things to pay for with it

I mean i don't pay shit, i have everything i want from the Atom shop, largely because the atom shop is shit 9/10 times.

Aww that Burns reference xD

Oh, if only we'd listened to that youtuber, instead of walling him up in the abandoned server room.

An exclusive item doesn't need to be sold for a limited time to remain exclusive. It just needs to be sold for a lot more than it can ever be worth. Then it's already available only to those who will pay.

Or the people who STILL come out of the woodwork to defend Bethesda despite having the benefit of seeing how things turned out so far. Some people just enjoy being lied to repeatedly, I guess.

$60 used to get you an entire game, with all the cosmetics and other unlockables it contained. Now it gets you 75% of halloween limited time items. What a sad state gaming is in right now

0 subscribers with 0 videos? The fact people have fallen for shit as dumb as “season passes” was the beginning of the end.

Those were the days. Sadly, I don't think they'll ever return

@@Jayfive276 Season passes themselves aren't too insidious, I don't think. If it's a game you know for a fact will have post-launch DLC, and it's a game you know you like and will be buying the DLCs for, it's more of a convenience thing.

Rhas 'Churol lol, “convenience” - convenience and gamers falling for it is exactly what will killed gaming. Well we’ll have f2p mobile games but aside from that, this whole hobby has an expiration date.