FAMILY MATTERS: A TALE OF TWO HARRIETTES 

Real quick. Read this before commenting. 1 - I'm aware Harriette started on Perfect Strangers.... that's why I included that info in the video... I feel like a lot of ya'll are watching 3 mins and then commenting trying to beat me to the punch. 2 - I'll have a video out next month explaining why I wasn't as into Martin as a lot of other people. It's probably not for the reasons you think. 3 - I used a clip from Martin in the video to add a visual for the show Martin.... I know that woman in the clip isn't Judyann Elder.... because I have eyes. It was just supposed to represent the show Martin. (I used Martin playing his mother... because that is one of my least favorite parts of the show) 4 - Some of ya'll are trying to tell me Judyann Elder wasn't on Martin. Yes, she was. She played Gina's Mom. Someone wrote that "Nadine Waters" was the actress who played Gina's mother.... "Nadine Waters" was the NAME of Gina's mother. 5 - I can't believe I really have to go out of my way to say this. But me not liking 1 TV show... doesn't make me racist. Wtf? 6 - "Black Full House" was a term coined by Black Friend Alan (another personality on this channel) I really think a lot of ya'll are really going out of your way to be offended.

The show definitely wasn't the same without Jo Marie Payton.

harriet was the initial star of family matters as it was her character which was spun off from perfect strangers.

“Black Full House” has me rollin. That’s sorta like calling “Friends” the white “Living Single” 🤣😂😅🤔

He's wrong, she played Gina's mother on martin, the lady he showed played Cole's mom

I used to love this show, way better than Full House. I literally don’t remember the second Harriet at all

Why did black family sitcoms like Family Matters and Fresh Prince replace the dark skinned mom characters with more light skinned ones? Or is it just me?

Harriet Winslow was my favorite character tbh. She came off as classy, hardworking, and very funny at times. 💕😊 made me feel like I knew her.

Did you really refer to Family Matters as the “black full house”? It was so much better than Full house

I can't believe what I just heard he don't like Martin omg

I remember turning on the final season of Family Matters to see that JudyAnn Elder was Harriet instead of Jo Marie Peyton and immediately turned it off.

The show should have always been primarily about the original Harriet. The whole show Family Matters came about as a spin-off to Perfect Strangers and it was Harriet who worked at the Chicago Chronicle with Larry and Balki.

Obviously Sister Bernadette became obsessed with Carl, killed the real Hariette, and used the same Urkel invention to alter everyone's memories that Urkel himself used to make everyone forget about Judy after he accidentally killed her with one of his experiments. It all makes sense.

Judy Anne seemed like she was just kinda doing a bland impression of JoMarie's character. She didn't add anything to Harret

The Harriet replacement was just as wack as the Aunt Viv replacement. Neither ever got the role of the strong black women who preceded them. And why did they replace a dark woman with a light woman both times???

Totally understandable why she was over that character. When you add in the fact that she had been playing Harriet two years prior to Family Matters in Perfect Strangers it makes 11 years total. She was gonna end up being typecast as the feisty 9 to 5 working Black mother if she didn't stop soon. I vividly remember expecting her to be that character when she appeared on other shows when I was younger.

Personally, my biggest issue with this show was how they wrote off Jamie Foxworths character and made it seem like she never existed in the later seasons.

After orginal Harriet left and mother Winslow Family matters sucked.

"Why, there is no Jaleel. Only Steve. It's ALWAYS been... STEVE..."

I stopped listening after he said the "Martin" show sucked!!!🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️

Dude that new Harriet Winslow was the actress who played Gina‘s mother on Martin not the actress you showed.

Next do Roseanne: A Tale of Two Beckys.

JoMarie Patton should never have left the show. She had her reasons as being that she personally got sort of "bored" with doing the same thing over and over, but at this point I feel she should have stuck it out for 1 more season. While the replacement did her job well enough, she was LEAGUES away from having the same chemistry and magic JoMarie had.

When you said you hated Martin I sighed heavily and whispered "I don't respect his opinion anymore." 😄 HOW DARE YOU SIR!?!?!? At least the first three seasons!!!

Yea people don’t bring this up like they do with the two Aunt Vivs on the fresh prince

This show became such an insane acid trip after the first few seasons, I'm kinda shocked most of the cast didn't jump ship mid-way through. It's unfortunate, but there's really only one character people think about when this show is mentioned.

Another example of colorism. Shout out to all the chocolate women. Please believe it.

Yeah Jo Marie Payton really was the anchor of family matters and its little surprise that the show fell apart once she left.

Steve urkel and Cody from step by step did the same thing to their respective shows they changed the focus of the show from the family to their character

Next video: “Drake and Josh: A Tale of Two Helens”. Video is one minute because the other Helen only filled in for one episode. Still threw off a lot of kids to the point you see Tumblr memes about it every once in a while

She was the reason the show existed..her performances on Perfect Strangers made the spin off possible

My wife loves Harriet so much so in season 9 she calls her fake Harriet. 😂

Steve urkel save the show the rumor was the show was planning being cancel after season 1

Awww.....I liked Martin. People can have different opinions on things. I'm not going to uphold the classic internet tradition of attempting to crucify you for having an opinion that differs from my own. I'll be interested to learn why you feel that way.

I hate when they switch people on a show. They did the same thing to Aunt Viv on The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. I stopped watching after that.🤷🏾‍♀️

JOMARIE PAYTON - FRANCE IS THE ORIGINAL HARRIETTE WINSLOW

I was gonna leave a comment about how Family Matters was a spin off of Perfect Strangers and the character in common was Harriet, glad I watched the whole video first, I woulda looked stupid lol

Lol they did Aunt Viv so wrong. The first aunt viv will always be my favorite. 😂 it’s the same things that happened with Harriet Winslow.

She was harriet for more than 9 years. She had the same role on perfect strangers beforehand

As a kid, I was entertained by those goofy plotlines...didn't think anything of it. But as an adult, watching a rerun, I was like wtf is this goofy mess? Lol

Yeah, Harriette wasn't a star before Urkel, she was THE star. Family Matters was a spin-off from Perfect Strangers, which Harriette was the elevator operator

Do a tale of 2 Morgans from boy meets world both morgans made a cameo together at the end of girl meets world

I DO NOT remember the other Harriet 😂😂😂

As a kid I didn't even realise that it was supposed to be the same person. I thought Herriette had left the family in some episode I missed and that Carl got a new girlfriend ...

How the hell you don’t like Martin!?? That was a classic.

Did they know it was the end of the show when they did this? Because I’d find it hard to believe that Jo Marie would have bailed out 9 episodes early if she knew it was the final season, especially if it was just an “I’m done with this role for now,” rather than a conflict or hate. Shout out to all the actors sounding totally nice and professional about it even though the chemistry was lost

Without Steve Urkel “family Matters” is a 3-5 season show!!!

I had completely wiped the second Harriet Winslow from my memory 😀😅 I loved this show growing up and didn't realize at the time that I was viewing a sit- com cliche. When a show becomes popular on it's own merit the try-hard'y,ness of the network starts to ruin it for higher ratings that the program would gain on it's own if they would let it be.

Harriet: (on the phone)Oh. Ok. Thanks anyways. Yeah. Good luck to you too. (Hangs up phone somberly) I GOT THE PROMOTION!!!!!!

even when I've never watched the tv show, I still watch your videos lol

Love this channel! Keep up the good work Vee

Great info im glad i found your channel

You may disagree with me Vee and that's fine, but Steve Urkel helped set the show apart from other family sitcoms at the time. At the time most family sitcoms had all these preachy messages and sitcoms like Married with Children and Family Matters(once Urkel took the show over) was a breath of fresh air and separated Family matters from dreadfully boring shows like Full House. I know I'll get hate, but I hate Full House

THANKS , this n Fresh Prince were my shows!!!💯

Instead of embarrassing that woman, wasting her time, making her uncomfortable, why not just have Harriet visiting Rachel instead of recasting?

One of the best series in T.V. love it ,love it, and still watch it.

I remember watching the last season of this show as a kid and being so confused. I think my inner dialogue at the time was something like "Hey when did the Winslows get a maid, btw where's Harriet?"

Family Matters producers were in a spot here. They didn't want to kill the Harriet character off , but were losing Payton. Also the show couldn't really afford to alienate its decaying audience that final season. Those final couple seasons they lost Laura's friend , Waldo Faldo , Rachel etc. So they likely thought , we can't lose yet another character.

I like Vee, very creative and smart to show how diverse you are with your content

Now that was a helluva joker impression there lol...

The last episode in which JoMarie played Hariett was also the final episode in which Mama Winslow, Rachel and Richie appeared.

I wondered if you were going to bring up her time on Perfect Strangers, and you did. Very good on your Family Matters trivia, Vee.

Vee, thanks so much for showing my comment about Fresh Prince, in this video! 😄

Loved this!

Oh yeah...we gotta holla about that Martin comment Vee...🤨

I always like the Darkskin mothers

Jo Marie Payton absolutely was the real Harriet Winslow. Judyann Elder came across as if there was suddenly another woman posing as Harriet, and nobody in her family noticed. One of a few strange things that happened throughout the course of the show.

The reason Jaleel White's character caught on is because television was overdue for a black nerdy kid. No one had ever done that before. But people rooted for Steve Urkel because EVERYONE.....(or, at least, a LOT of us)....was not one of the cool kids, or blessed with cute, adorable looks and we got picked on for it. Seeing Steve Urkel overcome these obstacles is what a lot of people liked.

that wasn't Gina's mother in that clip from Martin, that was Cole's mother lol

*ima hear vee out on why he hated Martin. I LOVEEEE Martin (it's even my avatar) but if his opinion lines with mines about that show, I'll understand 100% cuz I have certain gripes about that show too sometimes*

Good shit my dude. Like the content, very lol

Who here remembers when nerdy Steve Urkel became to suave , cool Stephan? 😂

The Winslows weren't fine on their own, Steve basically saved the show from being cancelled at the time

If it wasn’t for Steve urkel this show would’ve been cancels after the first season so urkel saves the show

I remember this Harriet. That's when I stopped watching the series LOL. I was a kid and was like "that's not your wife !" lol

Not even a minute in, and I died laughing at Steve!

That was honestly my first time ever hearing anybody say they hated Martin

I never saw show , but nice video bro

They should have written the character out. Like saying she was visiting Rachel, because Rachel was ill, or maybe her passing away, or written scripts that didn't include her

If I remember right the original Harriet character is the reason why the show got created in the first place. Her character was a character on Perfect Strangers which spent off Family Matters.

Shows how women are treated on tv. Women characters get replaced...male characters get killed...lol 🤷🏾‍♂️ #jusasmallobservation

Jo-Marie WAS in the series finale! she was working mission control in plain sight!

You know how they say you block out terrible things from your childhood? I honestly don't remember Jo Marie leaving.

Years later, JoMarie actually made it publically known that she wanted to leave the show alot earlier, around the time when Rachel and Waldo left after Season 7. But, she couldn't as she was under contract and producers didn't want to let her go.

Harriet was so beautiful. She was classy, intelligent, level headed, feminine. They don't make women like Claire, Aunt Viv or Harriet anymore

Never knew family matters was actually was a spin-off.

Love your content I just recently subscribed a couple days ago. Glad I found this channel.

JoMarie Payton actually played Harriet Winslow for 11 seasons, not 9. Harriet Winslow started out as a sassy elevator operator beginning on the 3rd season of "Perfect Strangers". A lot of "Family Matters" fans forget that fact.

It was supposed to be Harriet's show. It was a spinoff of Perfect Strangers. I'd feel let down too if I'd gotten my own show and they suddenly made it about Steve Urkel and I barely had any screen time.

I didn't even know there was another "Harriett" 😨😨😨

I loved perfect strangers. Glad you brought the connection up.

Me and my friend always called it the Steve Urkel Show, without sarcasm . We really believed that was the name of the show

I feel real dumb. I didn't even notice two actresses played that part!

I loved family matters it's my favorite sitcom and Steve Urkel gave really great advice just like Harriette Winslow

Love your videos

She was also on Perfect strangers

And this is how you know you tv show is iconic: if there are Actual Myths and Misconceptions ,cause a lot of the great Sitcoms have either fan theories ( i.e. The Castaways of Gilligan's Island being The Seven Deadly Sins from Holy Bible) or the show was one or two Misconceptions about it

Honestly by this time Family Matters was Way past it’s prime. Towards the end it was just like the Key & Peel sketch, where every episode was just Urkel doing ridiculous stuff.

just watched 2 vids and iam already big fan of this channel, epic content👍💝

Harriett was actually the Star of the show when it first started. Because it was a spinoff of Perfect Strangers. And she was the elevator operator.