@margovallen friend, im not sure which youtube video you got your information from, but you are wrong. the sda church embraces people of other churches and as an adventist, i can say with great confidence that there will be people in heaven that never heard of the Sabbath.there will be people in heaven that never stepped foot in an adventist church.so before you go casting stones,please at least try to get some accurate information based on truth and not what you see on the internet.God bless .
Ben Carson, Gifted Hands is an Adventist. They helped him turn from the streets to lean more on getting a good education. He doesn't mention this, but I learned this in the Adventist Church literature.
Praise God, I'm about to do my evening study so I have no time in the world to sit here and argue with you, just hold the faith man, God is great. the same peace he gave before he leave is still available him you don't have it yet.
Wow, I wasn't aware that those people were Adventist. I'm leaning toward them a lot. But my husband belongs to a Baptist church that we both attend. I wonder would it be okay for me to attend on Saturdays and eventually make a choice?
+Ginger Ashford-Tansil Yes Ginger, visit an Adventist Church. The Bible says to "test all things and hold on to what is good" 1 Thessalonians 5:21. Try it out and see if it's biblical for yourself. Don't let any of us tell you what to believe or not to believe. Use your own bible and test things. There are other "famous adventists" like Dr Ben Carson, Angus Jones, and Barry Black (Senate Chaplain). Also, the little bushman who starred in "The Gods Must Be Crazy" was one of the first Kalahari Bushman converts to the Seventh-day Adventist church in that area. Once you visit, let me know how it went!
Thank you. I want to visit so badly! And become a member. The religion does seem to be like "different". A little more than nerdy. But I will definitely try it! Thank you. I'll let you know how things come out. Thanks for posting!
Yes. Yes. Yes. That's what Jesus is all about; Freedom of choice! Come to an SDA church and check it out. Ask for bible studies if you want. No pressure at all. The Bible says, "Test all things, prove all things, and hold fast to that which is good" 1Thess 5:17
Little Richard was indeed an SDA and still may be. he converted to SDA during a brief hiatus from rock in roll and even preached for a time. Prince was supposedly one as a child. salt from Salt and Pepa is an SDA
I am in the AZ conference and know the pastor of the Camelback church well. He was there in 2000 and is still there. Paul Harvey was never baptized as an Adventist. His wife was. They would attend Camelback when they were in town. Paul was a supporter and after his wife died, he made a gracious contribution to the church at camelback to upgrade their sound system. But he was not an Adventist even though I would like to say he was.
Oh and also another famous person whos an adventist was the guy in the natorious photo of the raising of the flag on iwo jima holding up the bottom of the flag, the guy to the far right in the picture
@margovallen why is the 4th commandment mosaic law and nailed to the cross,but the 1st,2nd,3rd,5th,6th,7th,8th,9th,and 10th are not?could the law which was AGAINST us and nailed to the cross and MOSAIC in nature(col 2:14),be the same law that was a witness AGAINST us and written by MOSES' own hand(duet 31:26).wouldnt that be more consistant with God's neverchanging nature,that the law moses wrote would change,but the law God wrote would continue to be relevent?just wondering.
Continuation : many people knows about for it is introduced on preparation for baptism, but no one practices. Myself I did took it serious and it worked for me for the reason many envy me and many also discover it and made knowledgeable to them, of course become conscientious about and agree with it but is hard because of the change of diet, I know how to explain to them in order to accept.
I saw Prince being interviewed on a television show and I thought I remembered him saying he was Jehova Witness. Did he convert to that from Adventism at one point?
Correction: I just found out from Paul Harvey's Pastor that Paul and Angel weren't baptized. I read and heard that he was, but I recently met the Harvey's Pastor who said that Paul and Angel considered the Adventist Church, their church, and the Adventist Pastor, their pastor, even though they weren't officially baptized.
The Pagan custom was to keep Sunday the first day of the week because they were Sun-god worshipers, Constantine in 321 A.D. and the council of Laodicea held in 364 A.D. In changing the Sabbath day of worship to Sunday. In the 4th cent. Sunday was declared to be the day of rest and worship. "On the venerable Day of the Sun” -
The special part was the phrase, "joined with Christ by decree", meaning it was ordained since creation for Mary to play a part in Christ's role to mankind. The same could be said of John the Baptist etc, but only one could have been chosen to be Christ's mother. De Ligori is a bit over the top for me, that's the beauty of Catholicism; our faith has already been established by the Apostles and Christ's church. We don't need modern day prophets or Doctors of Law to instruct us.
Ok, so it's ppl who are SDA by name... whomever doesnt follow what they preach can be anything by name... this vid is just an FYI, and not necessarily about being proud of any of these SDAs... also, some WERE and some still are SDA...
Gibson, I did. I thoroughly searched for the 4th Commandment in the New Testament in covenant between God and Gentiles. Now you thoroughly search and show me why my ideas are preconceived.
@Fitzlight62 as an adventist,i can asure you that the majority of us do not place egw above the Bible,and any that do are in grave error and dont do it in public.however,there are many denominations,that have special writings fromspecial memebers of their church.smith wigglesworth for the pentecostals,kenneth hagin for certain non-denoms,billy graham for baptists and other mainstream protestants.just because a church has its own Bible commentary doesnt mean they put it above God's Word.
For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. Isa 66:22-23
How do you explain the Sabbath in Eden? Adam and Eve did not go to work first after God fnished His works and give them a rest(Gensis2:1-3). The gospel will befullfilled when you read the whole bible. God annonced His Gospel in Eden(Gensis3:15). Do not pray for the SDA pray for yorself dear Dani.
@margovallen there are 3 examples of "sabbaths" mentioned in the Bible.the Sabbath of YVHV, the feastday and holiday sabbaths,and the sabbath of the land.if God said remember why choose to forget?in col2:16,paul is refering to the feastday and holiday sabbaths,not the Sabbath of YVHV,the seventh day.even if that is what paul is refering to,since God made that day Holy,can paul un-make it?if paul preached against the 7th day,then why did he keep it,even though he broke other traditions?
6. as far as "mary worship", YES RCC/pope Benny16 on vatican website plainly admits mary has been worshiped by RCC all along: "Archaeological research has shown that from TIME IMMEMORIAL the site (Shrine of Mary's House - Hill of the Nightingale) has been a place of MARIAN WORSHIP..." which is "also dear to Muslims..." it would be dear to muslims as well since RCC created islam in the first place. friend, if you will but open your eyes to truth, you will see what the RCC really is.
They're not in "full" communion due to the filioque and the role of the Pope. The Pope lifted the ex-communication from the Orthodox in the 1980's. Since they recognize each other's Sacraments (Mysteries), they at least have partial unity with the exception of the Eucharist. Remember, Paul argued with Peter, James and Barnabas, Mark too. Jesus prayed that "all might be as one". We should want the same.
@margovallen sorry,the question was,of the churches you mentioned that teach accurate Biblical truth,how many contentions and disagreements do they have with each others interpretations?
5. Liguori is a highly prized author on the subject of mary & is quoted very often even by pope benny on the vatican website. there are only a handful of RCC "doctors" of the church, so it is a very high honor to be made a doctor of RCC. Pope Pius VII even had Liguori's 3 fingers cut off b/c he "wrote so well": “Let those three fingers that have written so well for the honor of God, of the Blessed Virgin and of religion, be carefully preserved and sent to Rome” very strange.
@margovallen can you give examples of how the sda have added to or taken away from God's Word. also i am not adamant about keeping the Sabbath,Christ in me is.i have been convicted that the Sabbath of the old testiment is the same Sabbath of the new, and that the 10 commandments are still valid,only written in a more intimate place,my heart.if you study God's Word through the eyes of john calvin or ellen white,you do yourself a diservice.what does james 2:14-26 mean to you?
St. John Chrysostom taught that Mary had venial sin, simply meaning that her will was not 100% perfectly united with God's. The whole idea about elevating Mary was and is to defend Christ's deity, when heretics like Jehovah's Witnesses or Arians attack him. Angel Gabriel anounced to Mary she was "Full of Grace", that doesn't sound like she had sin at the conception. SDA's are silent on this matter, because it'll create an unsolvable dilemma for them.
DeVon Franklin is SDA i found out... search for his interviews with Oprah for example... he sounds very intelligent and faithful to God and to his beliefs...
Liguori is a Doctor of the church and highly respected for his teachings about mary. you to be trying to downplay this fact but that will not change anything my friend. I am glad you dont accept his heretical teachings...there is hope for you yet :D anyway, thanks for being a civil & respectful catholic, I dont run into many like you at all. and my apologies if I came across too strongly. I am blunt only because I like to hear the truth myself even when it may cut across my own grain :)
@oneworldkingdom Actually, that is not correct....Prince had left the church long before he became a professional Artist. =) As far as "becoming clean", some of that is more AGE and when he was married. Do the research. Blessings!
the fact that any or "many" SDA's are apostatizing & going for "ecumenical" or "politically correct" teachings should not suprise you if you are familiar with the writings of EGW & the teachings of the SDA church. Many SDA's wlll bail into apostasy when things get to hot.
@margovallen the opinions you have put forth are very common among people who lack indepth study,however i have talked with people who share your point of view ,that do a much better job presenting their position,while remaining civil and even likable.you shall know them by their love.as for the doctrine of eternally burning hell,research sheol and gehenna,tartarus and hades.then check where the word hell came from.how much paganism do you think has infiltrated the Body of Christ?God bless you.
@margovallen you say that my belief that God destroys the wicked cant be backed up in scripture(although it can be easily), and that defines me as a member of a cult.i ask you this, if God is love( and He is),why then would He torment someone for eternity,instead of giving them the opposite of eternal life,which is eternal death?is torture sin?would God use sin to punish sin?why is it hard to grasp that the wicked cease to exist,especially if you have studied the greek and hebrew?
@TheWorldCitizen1 Catholic Church and Orthodox Church are one church, the split was political not spiritual. Orthodox have always recognized the Pope as highest ranking Bishop-first among equals. That is why the Orthodox have not replaced the Pope with their own bishop in Rome. You cannot divide God's church. Jesus said the gates of Hades will not prevail against his church. St. Paul said to "mark those who cause divisions among you". Your battle is political not spiritual.
I'm not no former S.D.A, do you ever read hebs 1:2, love to see the true S.D.A members, whats in the dark must come out in the light, who appoint prophet? anyway it is well with my soul, may the lord cont. to lead you.
I assure you, I would leave any church that does this. I'm more worried about the church having a female clergy or homosexual marriage, then I am about mandatory 1st day worship. "All" have not sinned: a one month old baby hasn't sinned, so we need to take that in context. The teaching is that Mary did not commit mortal sin, meaning a sin leading to death, only sins of vanity. The Idea being that Jesus as a perfect sinless man could not be tabernacled into a sinful womb.
to somebody on that day. the sabbath is Christ when through Christ we will have spiritual rest. and for us to cease from works of the LAW to receive salvation.it is your choice to esteem saturday over all the other days but i choose to esteem everyday alike by worhsiping, serving and doing good in Gods Glory everyday. and their is no wehre in the NT that says to not do nothing on saturday. Even Christ did things you would probably consider work.
@classiq876. You should research what the Catholic authority said about the Adventist church in a document called "Rome's challenge". It surprised me. Man, it puts the Adventist denomination in it's right place.
28 “Therefore I want you to know that God’s salvation has been sent to the Gentiles, and they will listen!” [29] [b] 30 For two whole years Paul stayed there in his own rented house and welcomed all who came to see him. 31 He proclaimed the kingdom of God and taught about the Lord Jesus Christ-with all boldness and without hindrance!
@margovallen also, the churches that are plenty,that teach God's Word accurately,how many points of contention do they have with each other?if even one exists then someone is not completely accurate,therefore they are all suspect.God bless you.
Grace is indeed a gift, howevever Mt 7:22 provides a stern warning that not all of Christ believers will be saved. Jesus clearly rebuffs some christian believers saying that "He never KNEW them". Why did Jesus turn christians away if just believing provides you grace? Grace clearly did not save these people. The bible clearly states in 1 Jn 2:4 that "He that saith, I KNOW him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." Grace is a gift who love Him and KNOW Him.
@classiq876 we do not praise God with our works unless you think giving tith is a form of that which is not wrong because the bible says that we are to give 10% of our ernings to God lol im pretty sure you have not attended an SDA church ever
They're not in full communion for the reasons I stated previously. (a) The Filioque and (b) claims of the Papacy. Theologically they are essentially the same. They are in parts in full communion. In some villages Orthodox and Catholic parishioners worship together. Also, Byzantine Catholics believe as the Orthodox, but are in communion with Rome. The differences are truly political. Christ's prayer is that we are as one. All Christians faiths need to unite against this adulterous generation.
You got it wrong again, food is 1st. important than immediately is the LAW, here is an illustrative insight : if you want to put white solder on cooper wire, it won't catch unless you clean it, you agree with it? Than you solved you problem and join the parts which brings to the result you need, so is food dependent to the LAW, -for no body can do for yourself of what you can do for yourself-, you got to do it on this sequences other wise it won't work, are many people in the church which knows
@margovallen i understand your stance,but i again have to point out,that the beliefs that are controversial in the sda church,can all be backed with scripture.some beliefs that are shared by the majority of mainstream Christianity ,honestly come from a shallow understanding of the hebrew and greek,and a willingness to ignor context.you see my church as heretical for embracing the Sabbath,but catholics can worship mary,pentecostals can babble nonsence, and anglicans can embrace gay preachers?
i worship God everyday not just saturday and sunday. God says not to judge upon a person dealing with food,drink and sabbath rests and here you are condemning people because out of tradition choose to come together on sunday. just as it was tradition and not a command for jews to come together on saturday to worship and receive teaching.I know the Jewish sabbath is saturday and not sunday but Christ said i can be active and do good deeds on saturday. which means i can evangelize and bring food
@margovallen no ,a watered down gospel is of no effect,but niether is aggression. a wise person once said, truth given at the wrong moment or in the wrong way ,can be just as damaging as a lie.so, if you feel as though you have the truth,then it would benefit you to present it in a different fashion,and to have all of your ducks in a row.for example,when Christ spoke of hell,He was referring to the Grave.just look up the words i suggested.it benefits you to know the hebrew and greek meanings.
Zechariah and Elizabeth The Parents of John the Baptist Luk 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances (law) of the Lord blameless. I already showed you.
@margovallen friend,first, im no church elder,just a simple deacon.second,could you please give an example of a church that hasnt changed its position on anything.apparently, from your own words ,thats a sign of a church that is well-grounded in the Word of God.so please,give an example.thanks.God bless. also,once again regarding proper interpretation,it benefits tremendously, if you have a grasp of the original languages,not just what king james' scribes say the word means.
@PreparetomeetthyGod If the Catholic Church brings about a blue law to persecute another Christian faith for observing Sabbath or any day-by persecution you mean imprisonment, loss of job, physical punishment etc, then that act would be indefensible in this day and age or the future. Especially since Paul says in Colossians not to judge someone because of a holyday.
@PreparetomeetthyGod If the Catholic Church joined with other churches and began to persecute spiritual or even physical Jews for keeping Shabbat. No, I would not defend that action.
to daniel why u focus on other people (celebraties) the ten comandments is a law created in heaven and is still the foundation of god love.faniel do you know what love means
1. no friend, the teaching is plainly taught on the vatican website, that mary never committed any sin, that she is "sinless", that is official teaching of RCC. you may want to consider that. yes I know what the idea is & this RCC teaching is a denial that Jesus has come in the flesh...meaning OUR flesh. none of us had the benefit of being born of "sinless" mothers therefore our flesh according to RCC cannot be the same as His, thus a denial of Jesus in our flesh.
This is why I pray for SDA(s) hoping they see the 10C as the Death Ministry it is( 2 Cor 3:6-7). They glorify a day as if it gives rest. I am trying to find out how I ended up on Mt Sinai as a Christian?
Tell me, did Mary sin from the time she conceived Jesus until she gave birth? The Holy Spirit had to dwell within her, so how could she make the Holy Spirit an instrument of Sin? Isn't that sort of blasphemous. To come in the flesh means to deny the incarnation, that the Word "became" flesh. John mentions this heresy because the gnostic heretics claimed Jesus incarnation was not real, that the material world was all sinful. Catholics show Jesus on the cross, so they would never deny this.
The RCC never teaches worship of Mary, never. Mary with God at creation? I've never heard that statement, even from a chick publication. The bible says "at the beginning was the Word", no one else. Show me where you can find this teaching of RCC.
Never heard of the RCC Doctor of the Faith, since I'm Byzantine C. not RC. I did glance at the text, and found your statement incomplete. It further reads..joined in a hidden way the.same "decree" of predestination. The same could be said about your existence and purpose in life known by God from the beginning of time. This" DOES NOT" say as you claimed, that Mary "existed" with the Son at the beginning of creation. Sorry, but your remark was grossly deceptive.
@margovallen if my actions are contrary to what the Word of God specifically says,then my relationship isnt where it should be.being tainted by sin means that no church is able to gather all the truth.the only way we can even come close is indepth study of God's Word by the leading of the Holy Spirit.again,you say that you have studied the sda online,you do good,but if you seek truth,then do it in an unbiased way with the Holy Spirit guiding you,not your own understanding.God bless you.
@TheWorldCitizen1 There were only 6,000 people killed during the inquisition, far less than World War 2. It has been protestant propaganda to talk about hundreds of thousands or millions. Serbs have the same basic religion as croats, they are simply Eastern Catholic (Orthodox) and Croats are Western Catholic. The Mayan and Incan people were sacrificing babies and children on an altar to their gods. The Catholic church stopped that through the intercession of Our Lady of Fatima.
Ellen G. White never EVER said to accept her over Jesus or her writings over the bible. All she did was try to explain the bible and God more in laymen's terms and shed spiritual light on the context of some biblical events.She never goes against what is in the bible. As a prophet she spread the health message and was waaaaaaaaaay a head of her time, as a prophet she talks about christian lifestyle and explains final events from a biblical perspective. She was not a fortune teller or psychic.
if you cant divide Gods church then why did they split? it's obvious that a church that calls itself orthodox rather than catholic, is not in agreement with the catholic church.
I can assure you , no one has the law written on their hearts yet , because if they did , they would gladly obey them with no questions asked , "love" IS OBEYING GOD TOTALLY 100% with NO QUESTIONS OR DOUBTS , which equals absolute FAITH ..... THAT will not happen until "all things are made new" .... If you think people have the law written in their hearts nowdays , you're nuts ... Besides , WHAT is "written on the hearts ??? GOD'S LAW !!!!!!!!!! GOD'S LAW .... Ponder that deeply
Yes they were written by God's finger but not before Moses wrote them.God first spoke the 10C (Exodus 20:1-17) but the Children of Israel did not want to hear God's voice (Exodus 20:19) then in (Exodus 24:4) Moses wrote all the words of God including the 10C FIRST, But if we read (Exodus 24:12) we will findd God writing more than just the 10C in Stone. Moses broke those but the Book He still retained. Point is: (Leviticus 19:18) was wriiten by Moses (Love thy Neighbor) it's not one of the 10
The Gospel was not Preached in the Garden. Only a Prophecy of Christ is given showing Christ again concealed in the OT. The sabbath of Exodus given to the Children of Israel was given because of (Deut 5:15). If A&E had the same law in the Garden the they knew of Good and Evil when they were made. Your doctrine claime the 10C to be eternal. The 10C did not apply to A&E. No sweat fell from Adam's face until Sin. Genesis 2:2-3 is God's Rest and it is the same Rest offered in (Matt 11:28-30)
I think you need to check with the Catholic Cathecism to see what it says about Mary, and worship. Worship for Catholics is reserved for God alone. Mary is a finite being, created, not a creator.
it was not to defend Christs deity, but to elevate mary to "deity". SDA's arent silent on the matter at all. we plainly teach that ALL have sinned just like the bible says. there is no dilemma. Christ is God, mary is not. full of grace does not mean sinless. RCC reads too much into a verse that is not there just to try and justify making up unbiblical doctrines. your pope says she was sinless. who's right, Johnny C. or your pope?
1. your pope/church "sainted" & made a "doctor" of catholicism a man named St. Alphonsus De Liguori who wrote a book called "Glories of Mary". in it mary is said to have been with God and ASSISTED God with creation & that the worlds existence "continues to exist at thy (mary's) will". the book is full of CRAZY claims about mary. the problem for u & RCC is that Liguori & his writings about mary are HIGHLY praised & quoted MANY times on the Vatican website. (cont)
@margovallen well friend ,no church teaches all the truth,because unfortunetly,we are all tainted by sin.take the easter bunny for example.seems harmless fun for children,until you actually research the history and see that it has to do with orgies and fertility rites for the pagan goddess ishtar.and yet every easter the local baptist church has its annual egg hunt,to honor its "traditions." and while correct doctrine is very important,relationship with God is the most important.thats truth.
@margovallen you know as well as i ,that the Sabbath was santified before jews even existed,and that the Sabbath was made for man.and that there is no difference betwwen jew and gentile,and that the Sabbath is 1 of the big 10.therefore why would it not be important?maybe your interpretation of col 2:16 needs to be re-evaluated.also,the most important commandment is love your God with all your heart.that encompasses the first 4. the 2nd is love your neighbor as yourself,thats the last 6.
In other words, the part of the Law Yeshua/Jesus fulfilled is done away with. The rest like the Food laws, feasts of the LORD, and Moral laws are still to be kept. I have a video about this actually.
Don't confuse GOD's Commandments (Moral Laws) with Law of Moses. Entirely different things. GOD's Law is still binding to Christians. Only Moses law was done away. GOD's Law is now written in our hearts and minds. Don't be deceived by "Grace Only" deception!!!
