Still reeling that Twitter stans actually fought Amir Talai when he made a post about Alastor being aroace because Alastor makes "gay little poses". My sibling in Christ, a pose can't be gay. It can only fall under a gay caricature. Amir said it perfectly; "You don't have to fck to be fab."
6:34 also at some point he told Sir Pentious "this [piece of his jacket] is the most anyone managed to get off [him]", which is both "I'm untouchable in a fight" and "sex was never in the cards for me"
@camocamouflageSome coworkers _can_ get nosey and ask you if you have a bf/gf or kids, try to set you up with someone, etc. Maybe OP just said it in an attempt to shut that kind of thing down. You could just tell the coworker it's none of their business or generally say "I'm not interested in those things" but that can get awkward, too
@camocamouflage So you think that straight people shouldn't be talking about their partners too then. That's effectively straight people casually coming out all the time when they mention stuff like, "My wife/husband and I went out to such and such a place over the weekend" or the usual casual conversations about their kids etc. So you agree that they probably shouldn't be sharing that information in the first place as well? It is repeatedly coming out all the time to everyone else by discussing stuff like that. If it works in a way that ace people can't talk about themselves being ace, then it'll have to work the same way for everyone else. You shouldn't be casually bringing up your partner or giving anyone any kind of coding as to who you are in that regard either, right?
@camocamouflage Yeah, well the same applies to those coworkers. We don't need to know all their business but they share all their business, like their partners and other straight stuff, with no question or second thought and no one gets whiny about it. You're treating ace people doing it as a problem and that we shouldn't be sharing we're ace but why are you making it out to be a problem when ace people do it but aren't holding straight coworkers doing the same thing and sharing they're straight all the time to the exact same standard? Those coworkers mostly love sharing how straight they are all the time and if we suggest that maybe they want a doctor to look at fixing that, there'd be some complaining. It's on the ignorant coworkers to educate themselves, it's not our job to make them less ignorant.
I actually did take HRT for transgender reasons and it didn’t change my sexual or romantic orientation, it just gave me a stronger libido. I’m still very aroace, the biggest change in my orientation was going from no libido to All The Libido in a way that forced me to become a sex positive asexual and find an outlet for that before I went insane. Basically I just read and write erotica now but still with zero desire for it to come true. All this to say your coworker is an ignorant dumb@ss that doesn't know the first thing about how sexual/romantic orientations work OR how hormone therapy works. The stories of people saying that HRT changed their orientation are likely due to them not having strong or frequent enough feelings to be able to accurately judge what genders they like if any before they got on HRT, perhaps even deliberately or unintentionally ignoring those feelings until having their libido dialed up to an 11 made it impossible to ignore anymore.
Considering how hyper sexual and sex obsessed our society is right now, I can see why most people do not get asexuality or aromanticism. They may likely confuse it with sexual aversion or sexual revulsion.
It's like people forgot that platonic relationships exist. Asexuality isn't a real thing, it's 100% made up on social media for people to feel special about being incels.
Right now? The world has always been sex obsessed. Haven't you ever read any Greek mythologies? lol Jokes aside, sex sells, unfortunately. That's something that will never change, and companies/producers know that. So, it's hard to spread representation, even if someone wants to, when the vast majority is louder then the minority.
As a demiromantic (or kind of demiromantic, I'm still not sure. So far I know that I'm deffinitally not romantic) I'm kind of annoyed that everybody should have a partner, and when they don't then they must be weird or sad. I get why fans are shipping him, I used to do that as a child. But I also hate when people don't understand aro-ace people and how they can be happy with just friends and family. We don't have to like the same things, chill out.
because people dont know it exists. A is for ally, you are just shy, you haven't found the right one, there could be something wrong in your head. We are a tiny, TINY minority that is lagging behind in representation compared to the rest of the alphabet mafia. Others need to know we exist before they can represent us sadly.
I wouldn’t say that a lot of shows have asexual side characters, or at least side characters that are never shown being interested in romance. Occasionally we get a main character like Luffy from One Piece (who is canon asexual). But asexual aromantic characters are blissfully free of relationship angst and if you’re a writer or a viewer that’s boring.
As a romantic asexual I'm so sad that we almost never get any representation. There could be so much potential in writing a character that is still romantically interested in people but not sexually in a very sexualized world. 😔 Idk on one hand im glad asexuality is becoming more well known, but at the same time it feels like a lot of people are starting to assume that asexual is really just aroace and nothing else. 😢 I used to want to be a writer, but I just don't have the patience for it. I wish I could bring that vision to light myself sometimes...
fr, i’m an aroace and this video is just covers all basis as an aroace person, i’m fine with the topic of sex or romance, and even find it interesting …unless it involves me. then i just get very uncomfortable, because hell no
I kinda like the idea of him accidentally coming off as seductive to someone, realizing it, and rolling with it to ultimately laugh in their face. also I love his pin-up on the official merch site because it's just his tie askew and he's not shirtless or something that would seem weird for his character.
As someone who only ships for fun but loves the fact he’s ace in canon I’m glad someone has said this because I was getting tired of some levels of toxicity not being acknowledged
Same. I think the Radiodust ship bothers me so much because Angel is a very sexual character (ironically I’m Ace and he’s my favorite. XD) and has issues with abuse…and you ship him with a manipulative asexual. Like something about that bothers me. But I’m also not gonna scream about it too much.
The only reason I can think people ship radiodust is because the pilot VAs did some funny stuff of them together and because their character designs are ballin' (I mean all the character designs are, but they stand out in the pilot as being particularly good esp before Charlie and Vaggie's glow-up), which is all good and fun but I can't imagine anyone would ship them in a 'I hope this becomes canon' way
The title alone is so true. As someone who has read Sherlock Holmes since I was 10, I don't think I have seen anyone outside of me screaming it from the rooftops EVER acknowledge that Holmes is CLEARLY asexual. The most asexual character I have ever read about. Why do people have such a massive issue with asexuals? What's wrong with us that they think we are inferior to write about?
I screeched when she called Alastor their ace-in-the-hole. It had already been implied in the pilot, so it was great to see it fully acknowledged. And yes, Sherlock is SO ace! I don't know if you read graphic novels, but in the Tintin graphic novels, imo, Tintin is totally ace.
Oh, might need to put that on the list! Read a few of the comics when I was a kid and saw the movie (The movie was so fun no cap) but graphic novels? Not yet!@@nicoleofnowhere8842
i agree about sherlock, and that ace's need more representation in writing, i'm ace and aiming to be a professional author, just finished the first draft of my first book, so if i'm able to get that published i'm aiming to have ace protagonists for most of my planned future books!
Todd's character arc was instrumental in my becoming comfortable with being ace. Like, here's a wildly popular, fantastic show portraying a pretty realistic journey of self discovery. And, he's one of the few genuinely good characters at that! It's straight forward, no hints or metaphors, and treated as something that's okay. He finds companionship and happiness and support. And it made me feel like I could too.
I really appreciate this take on it! There‘s something I‘d like to add: I think because there isn‘t much ace, aro or aroace representation, when there is any everyone on the spectrum tends to jump on it, which doesn’t the conflict created by people ignoring the sexuality alltogether. You kind of touched on it in the video with people using Alastor to explore their own sexualities, or use Fanworks to create their own representation, but because it‘s such a big spectrum those works clash a lot. And as you said, that would be fine if everyone was aware of the nuances of asexuality and aromanticism, we could all just go about our day and avoid the content we don‘t like. But 1)the majority of people not on the spectrum or close to people on the spectrum see the multitude of works and then get confused, building assumptions about what asexuality and aromanticism is based of fanworks and then, often in an attempt to „stop erasure“ start fighting about it. 2), When there is so little representation, sometimes any interpretation that doesn’t fit your own experience can feel like somebody trying to erase you. I‘ve seen people who are on the spectrums fighting each other over Alastor representations because it doesn‘t fit with their own experience. I think it‘s just hard when the spectrum is so wide that experiences can completely contradict each other and representing one might feel like it somewhat erases the other. In an ideal world, we would all just co-exit, but I‘ll be the first to admit that I felt erased when people started being so insistent Alastor couldn‘t be in any form of relationship because of his sexuality, and then started my spectrum counter argument which might have accidentally talked over the people who did feel represented by that take (I‘m trying to be more mindful about it but we‘re all human and just trying to have fun with our fiction, we‘ll make mistakes). When that argument gets tangled with the people just ignoring the representation alltogether, it turns into the mess we now have…
Honestly the part that makes the fact that he is asexual/aeromantic so much funnier is that he has no idea what those things are. He's from the 1930s those words didn't exist, he doesn't even understand "ace in the hole". He just seemingly doesn't feel romantic or sexual attraction, and that's just how he is. A sociopath that doesn't feel any kind of emotion for other people including lust. That's all he is in his own head. Hazbin handles sexuality in a very grounded way, no one is out unrealistically flaunting it, no one has it as their entire personality. The only time it is brought up is to either make a joke about some part of it i.e. Alastor not knowing what it even is and Lucifer not knowing Charlie is gay and talking about how much they have in common for liking girls. Or to make a joke towards someone else and their perspective i.e. Killjoy saying "she doesn't touch the gays" or Adam fetishizing Vaggie and Charlie's relationship.
I do think it is wrong to say that he doesn't feel any emotion. He shows plenty of emotions. And he shows he likes some people. He hums in pleasure when he hugs Mimzy, there's the little cute monologue of "One could get accustomed". He can be sadistic and not feel empathy, but still feel emotions, it's two different things. Psychopaths/sociopaths (a dated term, but okay let's use it) can still feel affection towards some people. He doesn't feel sexual attraction or romantic feelings, but he seems plenty able of platonic affection. Tbh the idea aroace people don't feel emotions is an acephobic stereotype that thankfully Alastor is not an example of.
@@hopelesslyhopeful4396 There's clearly nuance in my statement of "no emotion", in context of my comment it isn't so black and white. Obviously I'm talking about sexual and romantic, however, it is entirely possible he doesn't feel emotions period and he pretends to do so to keep his mask on. You seem to be forgetting he isn't just asexual/aromantic he is also a sociopath and doesn't think or feel the same as a normal person You cannot possibly know what Alastor is thinking at all times and whether it is an act to keep his position or not. The only one who knows truly is the show writers. Also good attempt at trying to say I'm "acephobic". But frankly I don't care what a random person has to say about what they think of my character from a two paragraph RU-vid comment. You don't know me so you can't even begin to attempt to critique me, and I wouldn't try to do it to you.
@@thewolfgirlexpert *sighs* I knew that saying it is acephobic was going to make you get all defensive and mad, how did i know that even if i am a stranger on the interner? Dude, first, calm down. You said something that i read in a certain way. Maybe i am wrong, maybe i am right, but if you really don't care, it awfully sounds like you do. Anyway, what you said hints at a certain stereotype. I don't know you, i don't know anything about you other than what you say - that is how life works. Also, it's pretty blatant you don't know much about sociopathy. Sociopathy does not mean not feeling emotions, or not feeling or thinking like a "normal" person. It's a spectrum, i can assure you they are still from the same planet as you and me. And lol, yeah, i don't know what Alastor is thinking... Usually when one watches a show, they interpret what they see. For me, it says something that while it is not shown that *any* other character has a long time friend, while Alastor has *two*, and twice shows affection and chemistry with them - the hug and humming in pleasure with Mimzy, how he talks about Rosie and their dance. For me, it is a wonderful depiction of how a sociopath/psychopath can still have friends, feel affection, etcetera. A good way to break a false stereotype. But if you want to lecture the internet with all your immense knowledge about sociopaths, suit yourself, someone will surely listen, it's the internet.
@@hopelesslyhopeful4396 First off, if you insult someone they're going to go on the defense that's how it works. It would be the same if you called me racist, homophobic, etc etc. And I am calm, this is how I type, this is also how I talk, you'll be okay. Although it clearly went over your head what I meant when I said that you can't critique my character after reading two paragraphs is maybe you shouldn't attempt to attack someone's character with only two paragraphs to work with. I.E. calling someone acephobic when they mention someone who is asexual (but also a sociopath) may lack emotion. You're acting like I yelled "All sociopaths feel no emotion!", once again it is more grey than the point you think you're responding to. And it shows your immaturity that you can't grasp the spectrum in the conversation and instead decide to try and tell me what my own points are.
I feel like Alaster is not a sociopath, or rather, not ASPD, nor any related things. In fact, it is my professional but extremely unscientific opinion that he has no mental disorders of any variety. Within the context of the setting being fantasy, Alaster's relationship to murder and cannibalism, seems entirely connected to the magical acquisition of power. Obviously eating people to gain raw magical power doesn't have an analog to the real world; but all of human history is filled with otherwise mentally well-adjusted people who would kill others to secure political or financial power. And the pursuit of power alone does not make a person a sociopath. Generally speaking, as long as a socially undesirable behavior has a materially tangible, real-world beneficial outcome, it is psychologically considered to be opportunistic, as opposed to a mental health disorder. Look at me over here overanalyzing.
edit: the replies under my original comment are freaking me out a bit 😭 please dont act like every1 with the same attraction has the same stance on how someone should be represented- or like there’s one right way to feel about this. if you disagree with someone you can disagree with them without immediately going ‘youre representing our community wrong!!!!’ we’re all different. drink some water take a walk.
I disagree. This video feels very invalidating as someone who’s aroace. Being aroace isn’t equivalent to not dating anyone. Queer platonic relationships are a thing, and something I’ve been in myself. Just because we feel little to no sexual attraction to people, that doesn’t mean we don’t want someone close in our lives. 🙄
I am a Hazbin Hotel fan. I am also a fan of ASMR videos. So I get recommended more videos than I'd have expected (or asked for) of people doing an Alastor impression being sinisterly romantic with the listener, which is apparently a concept that helps some people relax and sleep. No judgment here; just not my thing because I don't understand why someone would enjoy the fantasy of an Alastor who doesn't act like Alastor.
@@linachan4912I am not aroace but what you’re describing that you want is either a romantic relationship (which is different from a sexual one) or a queer platonic relationship idk which exactly you were going for but yes, people do experience being aroace in different ways, but shipping the only canon ace representation in a show feels like ace erasure.
ah yes the pain of people being shippers and not knowing/caring what aroace means and the terms for the other versions *cough cough* *saiki k and Lilith* *cough cough* People don’t realise grey aroace exists and it’s a nightmare for people who are trying to be specific for the type of aroace where they don’t feel any sexual or romantic love
@@grAnita- Why are /you/ getting so butthurt over a silly joke about sharing the same opinion as the video we both presumably watched? Unless you're just here to be a troll, in which case, please kindly leave.
@a- I don't know for others but at least some people don't like this because it wastes the aro-ace representation. Aro-ace have very few good representations in media compared to gay, bi, pan or lesbians (not mentionning straight for obvious reasons) so when one character turns out to be a good representation of who they are and finally they can enjoy some acknowledgment from media, they don't want that representation to be overrun because of someone's personal fantasy or couple idea. Even if it's not taken seriously, it still means some people will deny their representation and reshape it to their liking. Like "We're finally getting SOMETHING to acknowledge we exist, WHY do you take it away?". At least that's I think some see it. For the record, I'm not aro-ace so that's just a potentially ill-informed opinion.
dude but todd from bojack horseman is seriously amazing ace representation and they talk about it a lot. there are multiple episodes about the topic and they go really in depth about the characters self discovery and the ace experience after he comes out. its also just a very good show all around, definitely has better writing than hazbin lmao
15:11 THAT'S WHAT I HC AND DRAW!! Drew them for Aromantic Week I see Rosie as Asexual and Greyro, and that's one of the many reasons she gets along with Alastor so well (and that's why she even bothered to learn what ace is) I see them as this close friendship (and Alastors only friend other than Nifty) who just, know each other. They're probably even a QPR. You can see how Alastor lets out his true intentions around Rosie only, lets her hold and push him around. They have a close bond, and they're both Asexual. As an AroAce myself, I would love to have a friend like Rosie
Hey it’s me an aroace. I understand that people can ship who they want, but this is getting out of hand. People are literally FIGHTING over Alastor’s ships/not-ships. Personally, I think Alastor should not have a sexual OR romantic relationships with anyone. It’d be nice to see an aroace character who is all the way on the “absolutely not” side of the spectrum. Aromantic and asexual people get SO LITTLE representation that I was ecstatic when Vivzie confirmed Alastor’s asexuality, especially when Rosie had that “ace in the hole” line. Yes, aro/ace/aroace people can still have relationships (it’s a spectrum). However, I think most people upset that Alastor’s being shipped with other characters really want an aroace who definitely does not want relationships with anyone. I agree with them. It’s refreshing. TLDR: Don’t get too upset over this; it’s a TV show. People can have their own opinions and their own ships. Though it’d be nice for Alastor to be on the “full aroace” side of the spectrum, he’ll still be one of the best (if not the best) characters. Thank you for reading this whole thing lol :)
6:24 This isn't the best showcase of Allastor being *uncomfortable* with sex, really. He doesn't have a visual response at all, he just tells Angel "No", very simply A better example, though it's the pilot rather than Season 1 proper, is also with Angel Dust, when he comes on to Allastor there's a bit of a visual gag of Allastor's face in front of broken glass before he tells Angel "No", and I think that goes *much* farther to illustrate that Allastor might be outright repulsed by the idea
"Aces/aros can still have occasional attraction, split attraction or want relationships for other reasons" Fandoms: OH THAT MEANS IT'S LIKE THAT EVERY TIME "No-"
14:26 that's a wonderful idea, but it would require the show to have "filler" episodes, which I desperately wish for, but won't happen with how shows are done nowadays.
In my experience (I've been shipping since my teen years and I'm 41 now), shipping is perfectly fine. Like you said, it's mainly used as a fun outlet. This is especially true when people don't like canon couples. For most shippers, it's completely innocent. We don't want to change canon, nor do we want to disrespect the creators. We're just making up our own little AUs. In doing so, sexualities and romantic preferences tend to be altered to fit the new narrative. As you pointed out, shipping has been around for decades. At least since the 60s. Most people have kinks and fantasies, which are usually normal and harm no one, unless that's part of the kink. I'm on the ace and aro spectrum (aegosexual and demiromantic). I may lean a bit more towards greysexual, but I'm honestly too tired to give a damn these days, lol. The biggest issue i have in any fandom is gatekeeping. So many fans of Al, especially teens, tend to harass and badger ship art of him. It's an issue that's been going on since the invention of fanfiction sites and DA. Far too many people gatekeep the living hell out of their favorite character(s) to the point where they refuse to accept that other people like the character differently. Leave shippers alone, is all I'm saying. If you don't like a ship, ignore it. Search for things you do like. Both sides can, in fact, get along fine as long as both show respect. I'm all for Al being aroace or just ace. As stated before, canon is canon. I take no issue with whatever identities characters have in the canon lore. However, as you pointed out, deviating from canon is perfectly fine. Nothing can change canon except the official staff. Fan work is just for fun. At this point, it's like beating a dead horse with this message that I've been trying to spread for over 20 years. Let shippers ship. Everyone can have fun with fictional characters in their own unique way. Being on the aroace spectrum, i get wanting to respect someone's identity. I gotta admit, though, that i value the identities of real people way more than fictional ones. Representation is fantastic and we need more of it. I'm just saying that a cartoon deer demon doesn't have the capacity to give a crap if your fic depicts him making out with Vox. 😅
Love to see this brought up as a fellow ace/aro (somewhere on there lol). Also Todd is not just some guy /joking & goofy But in all seriousness, Todd is actually a great rep imo because he is both explicitly on the spectrum and also gets to explore his relationships/sexuality which I have never seen happen on TV for folks like us, seriously why isn't there more? Seeing Todd date made the idea that ace/aro folks can date become more of a realized thought. Both the clarity on the identity and the concept that hey, maybe you can find people with the same sexualities as you lol. Sounds like Bojack is already on your watchlist but i would 100% recommend. Todd is just one of the many great things about that show. (Though fair warning for heavier scenes and topics)
1:27 You've made multiple DHMIS videos, how did you forget to put Tony on the list??? 2:59 "Drawing a naked picture of the handsome deer man is a victimless crime-" 7:30 "And Shatner and Nemoy are both hot AS HELL, so I'm told-" 7:54 "People ship Alastor and Vox because they're tense rivals-" Oh, they're going to talk about the red and blue rival ship thing, like TomTord- "-and it's fun to imagine them having a heated battle, and then there's this brief silence and they start making out, then they just- (Demonized) right there on the hotel floor!" ....why is it animated? 16:08 "Or headcanoning Jessica Rabbit as Asexual because THAT would be FUNNY!"
Asexual = A lack or no *sexual* attraction towards people (These people have little to no sex in relationships) Aromatic = A lack or no *romantic* attraction towards people (These people have little to no romantic connection in relationships) And combining the two makes AroAce people who have no interest in dating people in general
Idk, I’m aro/ace but I ship Al. I just do it better than the allos. Alastor doesn’t experience romantic attraction but in my mind you can still play with his interactions to get something that’s technically shipping but doesn’t fuck up his character. When I ship him w/ Lucifer, Luci is the one “in love” and Alastor pretty much just tolerates it and throws the occasional bone- think of it like a mutual benefit, Lucifer gets to flirt with the deer and Alastor can enjoy the benefits of having the king of hell as putty in his hands. Alastor isn’t in love, but he’s gotten comfortable with how the arrangement benefits him. It’s clear in my fic for example that Alastor doesn’t love Lucifer in that way, he sees him more like an obnoxious dog that he’s begrudgingly enjoyed having around to play with
As an AroAce person who loves fanfiction, but doesn’t like reading about sex or romance (usually), I have quite a few good recommendations of Alastor fanfics that actually respect his character! They’re all on ao3, but if anyone wants them just let me know! To start, One Date (Could Change Everything) by Primarina (PastelBrachypelma) is a really good exploration of Alastor and Angel Dust developing a platonic relationship!
@@sylviaisafoot6570 Of course! The series ‘Alastor and Lucifer Bonding (and more)’ by Fallen_Crow333 is mostly Alastor and Lucifer so far, but the most recent addition is Alastor and Nifty having tea! They are mostly tagged Alastor/Lucifer but the author clarified it’s not meant in a romantic/sexual way. ‘Ace in the Hole’ by TaeFansick is a slow-burn qpr between Alastor and Lucifer that explores Alastor learning about what it means to be aromantic and asexual and how that applies to him, as well as exploring Lucifer coming to terms with his own asexuality. It’s currently at thirty-three chapters and is updated fairly frequently! For a parental Alastor (Of which there are a couple really good ones!), I highly recommend ‘Josie-Jane, The Radio’s Star’ by Bring_me_home_please! It’s a fantastic series about Alastor being accidentally summoned by a little girl and it’s honestly one of my favourites (I’ll leave the description at that so I don’t spoil it!) There are three parts so far and they are all a pretty decent length. ‘Will you Hear me?’ By IHeartMulch is a Niffty-focused one-shot about Niffty having a breakdown and Alastor is there to help her, I think their friendship is so sweet! In a similar vein to that, the series ‘Niffty Distribution System’ by Emiras04 is a good showing of Alastor and Niffty being friends and eventually Alastor realizing that he views Niffty as a bit of a daughter! For something darker that really leans into the body horror/cannibalism side of Alastor, ‘The Last Man Standing (Finally Bowing in Defeat)’ by eat_a_brick is really good! I just warn that it does have some detailed descriptions of Alastor transforming to/being in his full demon form and consuming other demons/sinners, as well as discussion of W*ndigos, so if that’s not your cup of tea beware. Apart from that, it’s a good look at a much darker Alastor that is comfortable and confident in the things he has done and has no desire to be redeemed! I have a few more, as well as a couple really good crossover Alastor fics, if you would like them, but hope you enjoy these!
I don't mind shipping when it's, as you so rightly said, like playing with dolls. But the one that makes me tick is the Charlie/Alastor one. First of all, she's depicted as a very young woman (in a relationship !), and him as a full-grown adult man. Their dynamic was (at least to me) pretty explicitly shown more as a father/daughter relationship, especially in the song "Hell's greatest dad". And I know he probably didn't mean most of the things he said in that song, but it's still that dynamic that was chosen to express their relationship with one another. (Also the pride with which he looks at her in Cannibal Town makes my heart tickle)
The title and thumbnail made me think this video was gonna be a Twitter level take, but I was pleasantly surprised when I found myself going “EXACTLY” pretty much every other minute. Ppl who try and loophole ace characters so their ships can canonically work are coping so hard it’s delusional. Loved the video!
My final aroace repesentation! 😭 Its also so frustrating bc hes also Aromantic which everyone forgets even more than the asexual part. (Actually confirmed by the creator) But also just said in the show (tho not completely) Im really feelin that loser baby song 😭.
Now I'm confused bc ppl are saying that's not the case anymore. But the comment Rosie made was in the context of him being with Charlie and she says that isn't possible bc he's an "Ace in the whole", she obviously wouldn't be talking about them having sex she was talking about them dating, so wouldn't that imply that he's Aromantic?? I'm just gonna wait to see if he is when season 2 comes out lmao I ain't listening to nothing else till then I got trust issues. 😭😂
Alastor is confirmed as asexual but not aromantic, Amir said it in a Q&A and later apologised on twitter recently saying that the only thing confirmed is that he is ace
I agree with pretty much all of this. It's very disheartening to barely ever see aces in media and then doubly so when they show up and are discounted by either the fandom or even the media itself. - A correction to your hypothetical scenarios: Rosie I'm pretty certain is definitely not ace or aro, as her introduction scene has her telling a woman that she too would have eaten her husband if he didn't taste so bad. Which 1. Meant she has/had a husband and 2. Means she's likely giving out romantic advice which is not /usually/ the course of action for an ace xD (someone will ask me for some advice then get disappointed when my solutions are logical and don't acknowledge the emotions involved like uhhh)
I'm not ace and am, in fact, a very shipping heavy pansexual but the minute i found out he was aro/ace from fan interaction during the pilot era, I was like "cool" ans just moved on. Like, it's not that hard. I hate Chalastor with a burning passion because it actively erases Chaggie and Alastor's asexuality but I'm always told "Vivzie said we can ship anything" when that was likely because Hazbin is known to have an incredibly toxic fanbase and more shipping wars was not something she wanted to deal with. But at the end of the day, it comes down to respect of identities and seeing myself in a sapphic character and relationship and then seeing so many straight people override it makes me feel invalidated because they're ignoring their identities. This is especially prominent with sapphic ships especially, and I can only imagine that same sense of betrayal and disrespect for ace people in the same boat. It shows me the fandom doesn't actually care about queer identities and representation which the show is often praised for. Which is depressing to say thw least.
@@pinkkrystalz7610 I was referring specifically to how straight people override Chaggie but yeah, straight allos is a term which describes both means of erasure.
@@strikingsarcophagus So it's not erasure when it's a canonical Ace character, but not when it's canonical straight characters? Please tell me your Acephobic without saying your Acephobic.🤨🙄
As an ace person i’ve had to explain why shipping Alastor is offensive multiple multiple times, Instead I’m just gonna start sending people this video.
I was talking to someone the other day and the conversation went someting like > So what do you think of Alastor "He's neat, he's also aroace" > Yeah obvious. "Yeah I hate how fandom sometimes strips him of his character and babies him" > Yeah, as a fellow Aroace I get that. So what do you think of his character? "I don't mind the cannibalism, I think he's really neat" > Oh so can you rec me some fics? "Yeah here you go:" And then they sent me a Wattpad link. A link to an Yandere!Alastor fic. A Yandere!Alastor/Fem!Reader fic. I had told them I was AroAce. I'm a *guy*. I asked them, 'no judgement', why they sent me an Alastor/Reader fic when they themselves had mentioned Alastor was AroAce, why, most than anything, they had sent it to me when I'd just said his identity was important to me and that I was AroAce myself. They said they hadn't realized their reading was contradicting their words??? Do people even understand what AroAce means?
Not to play Devil’s advocate, but they also said Alastor hates being touched. Despite him, you know, being one of the touchiest characters in the show, if you look closely. They backtracked by saying that he doesn’t mind touch initiated by him, but even that doesn’t hold up close examination. Rosie was flat out dancing with him, and he was fine with that. Can anyone point to a single onscreen example where Alastor reacted negatively to touch? There really is a difference between telling and showing.
I saw a comment on another video pointing out that any touch initiated by him was a response to other people attempting to touch him, and he would get a little aggressive about it.
4:35 Fun fact! Alastor WAS confirmed Asexual! The line you reference in the video isn't the only evidence :P Edit: Also, about the "characters identifies should be explored more", I agree, but then again the show was VERY busy in S1 and didn't have too much time for all that, haha :PP
you said it all very well, I feel like you put to words all the thoughts in my head I was afraid to say clearly! Also, ngl, if I only ever got one ace character, Id be dang happy it was Alastor
I don't comment on videos much but as a demiromatic asexual, it's disappointing to see people not on the aroace spectrum blatantly ignore the fact that Alastor is asexual and potentially on the aromantic spectrum as well. Alastor is a fun and interesting character and even I enjoy playing around with character relationships with him (big fan of one sided Vox × Alastor on Vox's end) but people just trying to find every way to justify he isn't sucks. I rarely see aromantic and asexual representation in media and even though Alastor is... Alastor, I wish us aro and or ace people can just have him represent us without the majority of people arguing against it. The whole community preaches about how representation matters but when it comes to aromantic and or asexual representation, that all goes out the window apparently.
I wish there were aplatonic and afamilial characters that have to struggle with understanding their lack of emotional bonding with people they know "should" be their loved ones, but the emotional disconnect perplexies them that people actually experience being loved by their friends and family.
Im aroace and I’m excited to finally get representation where the character isn’t dead inside 😭 shipping him is kind of annoying Crackships are funny though, especially radioaople. That’s really silly
I just meant dead inside as them not showing emotions and just being overall numb to everything lmao. you can tell that he has more than negative emotions, so he’s at least a little silly
@@wweennooww eh, from a psychological standpoint. He has no authentic emotions whatsoever, but from a fictional standpoint, yup! Alastor slays the house down. Periodt.
omg the convention thing is so relatable. I went to the BIGGEST LGBTQIA+ bookstore in london and when I asked for an ace pin the person at the counter was like 'which one is that again?'
I love the idea that Alastor and Rosie would marry for the tax benefits while just being besties while everyone thinks that they're head over heels for eachother
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I tried to imagine this for the sake of the humor in it and my brain conjured the horrible string of words spoken in a moan “you can steamboat my Willy.” I don’t know what that means, I don’t want to know what that means, I’m disturbed and horrified and I feel that this is your fault and have chosen to curse you with it as well as retribution, thank you and have a horrible day.
Greyace here. I see Alastor as the type who would be entirely repulsed by sexual advances and romance, but would be the one to listen to everyone else's romance problems and give advice like a podcast lol
I imagine that Alastor could be open to a relationship. However he'd need to respect them; which makes his dating pool EXTREMELY limited. However he is absolutely best left as ace/aro.
Someone mentioned the idea of Rosie and Alastor being in an asexual version of a lavender marriage back in in their time and I LOVED it. Platonic auntie and uncle is where it’s at
It’s actually pretty common for ace people to miss sexual jokes because it’s just not on our minds. Even if Alastor was aware what ace was it’s pretty on point for him to be blissfully unaware until someone shoves his nose in it like he’s a bad dog.
can confirm as a fellow ace, I have no clue what's going on half the time because of this, but it is really funny when I'll randomly decide to say some sort of joke abt sex (in the form of extreme sarcasm ofc) and everyone just looks at me like ":0 i didn't know she could do that"
I can't pick up on cues for romantic relationships either, like my friends were dating for TWO MONTHS before I knew. The worst part is that they thought it was pretty obvious.
FUCK THAT MAKES MORE SENSE....I constantly get weird jokes whenever I excessively cuss like when I'm dieing in a game.... something about "not typically getting people to say that outside of bed" or whatnot in a very...romatic like tone...i never understood it still dont actually...but i think...i think i keep missing sexual jokes...
i’m an extreme victim of this as even in the show stuff flies over my head (might be me just to focused on stuff other than dialogue but wtv) until it’s recognized especially during the adam and lucifer fight 😅😅
I think its been confirmed that he's Aro-Ace by Viv. It is also confirmed that he doesn't enjoy the company of men because of his issues with father when he was alive. He only enojy the company of women but platonically, that's why he hugs Mimzy and Rosie and is ok with interacting with Charlie. He never touched another dude on screen (only when killing them lol), and is easilly anoyyed with men.
I think it was stated that his father was abusive, and that Alastor was a big mama's boy. But he was also a serial killer that enjoyed eating his victims, so yeah... @@galuxius1861
A lot of people find disinterest in romance/sex attractive in itself. It definitely reads into the whole "but my OC is different" and "special" somehow. No shade, I thrive on that shit, but it's definitely in the category of wish fulfillment.
Tumblr sexyman is a vibe, a vibe this often is a mischievous vibe, which mischievous characters arent usually out for romance. But also, Sans litteraly "befriended" Toriel and Bill is evil why would he be into romance
On the topic of Sans (And please forgive me for bringing this up, I swear I'm not one of *them*...), does he even have a dingaling to bone with?! (Again, I'm so sorry. I will turn myself in to horny jail...)
@tinnasell4161 To be fair, that's not true in all of the material. The prequel comic about Alastor shows him going on a rant mere minutes after seeing Vox on a TV screen (once he's out of sight) about how much he despises him. In that case it's clearly mutual enmity, and I'd still say he has more hatred for Vox than nearly anyone in Hell because of how much they rub up against each other and the fact that Vox is capable of challenging Alastor's authority without him being able to be put down like anyone else of significance he's fought. It's similar to why he hates Lucifer, although in that case it's also a matter of his OTHER berserk button (lack of acknowledgement) being pushed.
@@TheAngryXenite thing is that comic contradicts his behaviour in the show. Unless he moved on from that rivalry with Vox, the comics cannonicity is kinda put into question
I love that post but it was even funnier than this. They said something like "Alastor doesn't have the excuse of homosexuality to excuse tauntingly staring into surveillance cameras". He has something much funnier going on.
Ok I’ve never watched this show but the fucking “the what now” in that old showtuney-esque old timey voice and then it immediately cutting off is sending me
"Asexuality is a spectrum, some people experience sexual attraction!", they say about the character that is standing so close to the end of the spectrum that if they took another step, they'd fall to their death.
I'm not even close to being aro/ace, but I'd also put world domination above any romantic relationship. Maybe we should hit the white board and discuss some business plans together?
@@spruce-ui2eh OK, so, I only have a rough draft so far, but I think we definitely need to start by studying the old Indiana Jones movies and learning what NOT TO DO when aiming for world domination. Maybe throw in some episodes of Pinky and the Brain for good measure, but I'd save them for later as consulting material, when we start going into the specifics of the plan. Any thoughts on the next step?
The sheer power of "No one can commit me to a relationship of any kind. I am unrelationshippable. You can never have me." is something I will now strive to match somewhere in my life.
alastor is so petty and antagonistic it almost makes you wonder if he's aroace purely to deprive everyone of his hotness, yet another means of psychologically torturing people for the fun of it.
I’ve seen some people completely dismiss the idea of Al being Aro/Ace as well as taking signs of his manipulation as his “love” for Charlie and use it as an excuse to ship them
I hate everything about Charlie x Alastor. The weird age gap, power dynamics, and the fact that he takes more of a fatherly role in her life. I'll respect someone who likes it but it grosses me out
My ace friends are getting married soon and yet I still STILL have to explain to people all the time that just because I’m ace doesn’t mean I’m going to die alone and unhappy smh. Maybe I’ll be happy with just friends, maybe I’ll be in a queer platonic couple, maybe I’ll be in a romantic nonsexual relationship and that doesn’t mean that I’m going to be in an unfulfilling relationship!
This is why I think people struggle to understand this situation. If you are platonic you are just friends and it’s not a relationship. Platonic means friends. Romantic is understandable but to describe it as a platonic couple is factually a friendship.
@@TheMichiQuinn I agree! Language can make understanding aro/ace relationships hard for people who have never had queer platonic relationships! I wish that language evolved faster so that I had the words to describe how the love an ace person feels for their partner can be different from your cut and dry friendships among allo’s… I don’t mind ignorance, it’s not someone’s fault if they have never come across an idea before! But I get so tired of the willful ignorance! Just because you don’t understand something or don’t share a perspective doesn’t mean you can’t learn! And what’s more, you shouldn’t patronize people who experience the world differently from you no matter who you are!
@@Redheadedhypocrite then make a new word, if it's not the same as platonic don't use platonic. Making up new words is literally how language evolves, you don't just wait for it to happen
Im aro/ace and I agree. I don't care if someone ships him with anyone but it bothers me when people try to justify it by trying to make him not aro/ace. Just admit that hes aro/ace but you want to ship him for fun anyway. Its ok to do that.
I agree. Aro, Ace, and Aroace are a spectrum. You can be Aroace and have relationships or not have relationships, both are perfectly valid. Ace and Aro people aren't monoliths, they're individuals and have their own experiences. I think its perfectly fine to ship him with others so long as they aren't erasing his asexuality and aromanticism, because it is completely possible. It frustrates me when people say he can't possibly ever have a relationship because he is aroace, that is so invalidating to those people who are Aroace who do date or engage in intimacy.
I would be curious to see Alastor seduce somebody to gain power over them, to use their affection, and see where the dynamic goes. Kind of a social-whim-with-benefits.
I'd love if Rosie was ace aro and was just marrying people to eat them, though she's probably not and probably straight, it's still a funny little headcanon
in all fairness, as an ace person, id feel kind of infantilized if the ace character in hazbin wasnt completely fucked up in some way. like, every other character is a horrible person, theyre in hell for a reason, and if Alastor didnt fit in with that it could play into the “innocent naive child” stereotype of asexuals.
Apparently he's a canabalistic serial killer, which would also play into an ace stereotype (lacking humanity, ect) - but I don't think it's ever mentioned and the guy is dubious at best and ultimately a good guy so, it never mattered anyways. The show is dumb but that allows us to not think about anything at all - never mind reading too deep into a character being ace. Shots fired...but also...it's chill. As a fellow ace person.
@@202cardlineI disagree in thinking him being evil is part of the "evil ace" stereotype. Part of that stereotype is the ace character being emotionless, which isn't what Alastor is at all.
Cut to the saiki k fandom where the main character repeatedly says he does not care for romance and never wants to date anyone and romantic/sexual attraction alludes him and half the fandom is still like “it’s just a headcanon” or “well he could just be in denial” It’s really sad how so many people will come up with every excuse under the sun as to why a character isn’t aro/ace like please we barely get any rep as is at least admit you’re breaking canon 😭 (Go watch saiki k btw it’s got the most aro/ace rep I’ve ever seen in my life it’s lovely)
Ironically I ship saiki/aiura (not sexually) and your right, just scroll through any fic with saiki you get stuff like "tsundere saiki". Like no he doesn't feel that way.
yeah it really does feel like the options are 'ships' or 'no close relationships, it's just fun adventures with no genuine emotional moments' which suuuuucks. I love fun adventures! I also love heart wrenching scenes that aren't just between family or romantic partners.
I kinda hate it because I can tell the creator wasn't trying to write an asexual character but rather a robotic character. While technically he is asexual, i don't think the creator at all realized what they were doing. I think they wrote him that way because he's supposed to be weird, overly logical, and somewhat apathetic. I want to see more ace characters who are ace because they just are, not because the creator wants them to feel less human.
As an aroace, I think you put it perfectly. I have absolutely no issue with people shipping Alastor, whether sexually or romantically, when they know that he's canonically ace and their ships are fanon for their own enjoyment. What grinds my gears a little is people insisting it could really happen in the show, and that he's not TOTALLY ace, etc etc. I've seen someone say they ship him because asexuality isn't real, that one hurt.
aro, possibly ace here, I agree completely. I partake in the fanfiction just as much as the next guy, but insisting they're actually gay/ace/aro/none of the above, etc is going into delusion territory. My one rule break is for historical shows back in the days where a character being gay would get it cancelled. For example, I 100% believe William Riker is a bisexual/pansexual man in Star Trek The Next Generation. Hell even the actor considers Riker to be not straight, but the time period was terrified or actively showing disgust at characters being not straight. Maybe I'm just going against my original point with this lol
Questioning aro bisexual here. I’m attracted to both men and women but I don’t do relationships. Even though I’m not ace, the « asexuality isn’t real » part hurt as well. The amount of times I’ve been told bisexuality is just being desperate and a phase. Then aromatic is just trying to be edgy/lying/cold. I wish people would just leave us ALONE.
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Someone on a call called me an "ace in the hole" when I told them I was aro ace. I told them there was no hole and they thought that was a sex joke. I just meant I didn't play golf 💀
“Ace in the hole” is basically the same as saying “ace up my sleeve” it has nothing to do with sex and more to do with someone having so much power they can either have or get people to do whatever they want. For the love of god look up the slang that old school characters say
@@littlelotus4572BRO ACTUALLY THANKS FOR SAYING THAT i had a few friends who watched hazbin hotel told me i was like alastor (cuz im aroace and apparently “damn evil”) and keep saying that line as a refrence i just dont understand
As an aroace person (I'm speaking for MYSELF, not everyone else), I don't mind shipping. It happens to every character and that's that, they're not real people. However if it comes at the cost of said shippers obscuring and invalidating aroace folks, then it's an issue for me. To me the shipping is only okay if the person doing so has a conscience that aroace people are very real and not playing up an act, weird or "defective".
same, I've basically ignored shipping fandom for everything because it's just people projecting their fetishes, nothing more, it's never about the story or how characters could work with eachother, just people that want to see two characters fuck
Yes like 🤷♀️ the fictional characters are fictional, get creative in fiction and all that, just don't be weird and/or offensive to real people... It's not that hard hehe
Yeah, I imagine it’s kind of like how characters that are effectively portrayed as being straight are shipped when they’re the same gender. I figure that similar boundaries would apply there, where it’s okay to ship but weird to get mad if anyone doesn’t ship it too. If you can’t acknowledge your personal stances on characters aren’t all canon then that’s just a bit off in general! That’s an issue I’ve seen in a lot of fandoms….
Yes!!! Even I kinda had the silly thought of "lmao crackship between Lucifer and Alastor so they just have joint custody of Charlie", but the people who go "AcTuAlLy ArOaCe PeOpLe cAn StIlL dAtE!" make my blood boil. Like yeah, but clearly that's not canon in the show. Make your crackships, I really don't care, I'll probably just avoid it, but don't try to justify it by saying it "could be canon" and just say "yeah it's not gonna happen, it's just a fun dynamic". People make up crackships all the time and the only time they try to say it could be canon is when one of the characters is canonically aro and/or ace :/
Holy FUCK, thank god someone said it. I'm aroace, and I think shipping characters on the ace/aro spectrum is completely fine, so long as you don't start to expect it in cannon, or tell people that they can't ship the character with anyone else. You've voiced that perfectly, and I thank you for it.
THIS! 👏 I was trying to write a comment like this, but you put it much better. As an aroace (aego) that ships a variety of characters with no regard for the Canon™ identities, the way a lot of people behave when it comes to shipping is wild to me.
Oh thank god I found the comment I was gonna leave, lmao. I'm demi/aego and grew up with "canon-non-compliant" fanfics haunting my waking hours between the fluff on Quizilla. I've never cared about what happens in AUs because by design they're not canon, they're what ifs that range from one small change in the canon story to entire new genres and worlds. The idea that a "what if" of this aroace character being nudged one way or the other across the spectrum for the sake of a good story is interesting if it's done well. It's just never going to BE CANON and the fact people are upset about that... Confuses me.
Yeah fr, fan content shouldn't ever be expected to keep canon compliant in any sort of way. That doesn't mean that we should expect canon to change to meet our ships, I thought this was obvious
Yay! You're back! About Rosie's line: With her early 1900s aesthetic, she isn't exactly someone who is up to date, and most likely learns more modern terms through interactions with more modern Sinners. In general, she seems fairly social, certainly enough to attend Overlord meetings, and give advice to her cannibals. And if romance really is her specialty, then it makes sense she would eventually find out what an asexual person is. BUT being old-timey, it also makes sense she would assume that asexual and aromantic mean the same thing when they don't. One of the artists mentioned Vox actually IS into Alastor, but that was on a stream before the Pilot was even out. Whether it's still canon remains to be seen. It appears that the two used to be friends, and Vox wanting Alastor and knowing he can't have him might've contributed to their feud. Also, yes, watch Bojack. It's awesome.
Viv has actually stated in old live streams that he is aroace, but that doesn’t really translate into the joke. She has also gone on to state he doesn’t realize that he is, and just thinks he hasn’t met the right person (which makes sense given the time period he was alive in). Also if you like Owl House, Lilith is confirmed to be AroAce
As much as it doesn’t translate into the joke, I think i’m better off in the world where Rosie doesn’t go “Oh I’m just kidding, I know you’re Asexual Aromantic.”
MYSTREET PFP SPOTTED IN THE WILD?!??!?!?! anyways: i appreciate the enthusiasm, but i think this is exactly what misty meant about death of the author. lilith's sexuality isn't in the show at all, so her aroace identity -- although lovely to be confirmed -- isn't really the perfect rep we need, y'know? dont get me wrong, i love toh and lilith, but i certainly wouldnt recommend toh on the basis of aroace representation same with alastor. even though it was confirmed by viv, it's more about what's actually IN the show that counts
As an aroace-spec hooman myself, im genuinly fine with peopl shipping aroace character for fun dynamics.. but the fandom almost always use excuses to just forget about or erase the fact the characters is aroace, which genuinely makes me SO uncomfortable.. 😅
If its as a joke Otherwise its morally gross To me its like shipping a lesbian with a man, a gay with a woman, just no The fandom is insane, platonic relationships just aren't allowed to exist
As someone who is romantically attracted to people, but ace, when it comes to canonical ace characters, if I do ship them with a character because I think the character dynamics are fun, then it's just a platonic ship. That's just how I go about it anyway.
It had been confirmed prior to the start of the series that Alastor was both Ace and Aro. So it's not a case of the writers being confused by the wording, they are deliberately writing him to be both on purpose.
If what we have so far is considered deliberate, they need to up their game. Alastor's aceness is weak shit, currently. I don't care what Medrano said five years ago or whenever or wherever, if he's ace and it's not just lip service, it *has* to get better on screen, in the show, than "ace in the hole." The bar cannot _possibly_ be that low.
fr. i didn't get "ace in the hole" until i remembered the confirmation. If someone who DOES know this shit can miss it, it was NOT strong enough@@Cobalt360Degrees
@@Cobalt360Degrees To be fair he is very similar to me in how he acts. Always watching and waiting, being helpful in ways that take little effort until it builds up, seemingly understanding how others feel while also not caring in the slightest, and his complete missing of how his actions could be construed as romantic/sexual interest. He never actually shows any interest in any character other than Charlie, Rosie, Mimzy, Husk, and Nifty. Mimzy because they knew each other in life and she likes causing trouble, Rosie because she is powerful and they are both representatives of Cannibal Town, Husk and Nifty due to their contracts, and Charlie because she could fulfil his desire of freedom. Which, by the way, is the only desire, other than watching people fail, that he mentions all season.
I love the fact Rosie is more aware of relationships and sexualities and stuff. She's also really good at helping, Alastor trusts her somewhat and they're friends so he could totally learn from her whether he does that by watching her help Charlie or her helping him with his sexuality from the sidelines it's just a really cute dynamic
Rosie's power seemingly comes from being a charming person. She gets people to tell her everything, and is very proficient at social interactions. Someone like her is extremely valuable for a schemer like Alastor.
It's already rare for people to write friendships, for people to make fan art of that, and for fewer people to write fanfiction (gen fics) of just a really great dynamic. For example, why are people not exploring how much Charlie and AngelDust care about each other? Alastor and Niffty? And I would really like the show to explore this too. I've been waiting for more scenes with the main cast bonding and more dynamics explored. Of course, we didn't get much of this because of the heavy focus on the plot and short episode duration in an even shorter season, but it would've been nice.
I'm not even in this fandom (yet, for reasons of hyperfixation juggling and me only having one slot to fit all my fandoms in turn-by-turn), but I would like to see more content in the AngelDust & Charlie and Alastor & Niffty relationship tags plz, I need me more platonic tags for when I run headfirst into this and canonball myself in the icy, icy fandom lake
Something often missed by the “spectrum” crowds is that intelligence and consciousness also are a spectrum. Some people are perfectly capable of understanding nuance and some people simply can’t no matter how much you yell at them.
Well it is a really old trope of people hating eachother later getting feeling for eachother, it's just as old as childhood friends ending up falling in love
@@skyesthelimitro I know, I’m not hating on it lol. I actually ship it I’m just making a joke on how lots of fandoms like shipping characters that hate each other 😅
