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@MichaelPennMath
@MichaelPennMath Год назад
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@allanjmcpherson
@allanjmcpherson Год назад
I love the way that moving from the real numbers to the complex numbers can take something that works beautifully and break it while also taking things that are an absolute pain in the reals and make it incredibly easy.
@MattMcIrvin
@MattMcIrvin Год назад
The existence of a function like this, that is infinitely differentiable but actually goes to a flat constant zero, is very useful in differential geometry and differential topology; it ensures that we can describe a manifold in terms of coordinate patches that can be pasted together where they overlap in such a way that none of the derivatives of any function are disturbed. You just use "bump functions" that tail off in this way to feather things together.
@mickschilder3633
@mickschilder3633 11 месяцев назад
Yeah i love my bump functions. It makes sure I seldom needed to worry about things being smooth or well defined
@goodplacetostop2973
@goodplacetostop2973 Год назад
17:47 Sigmoid gang 💪
@davidbizzozero3458
@davidbizzozero3458 Год назад
It would be nice to show a plot of this function in the complex plane with colors. It gets wild since this is a classic example of an essential singularity (can be expanded as Laurent series with infinitely many negative powers). Another one of my favorites is e^(-x^2) for similar reasons. Also these kinds of functions are useful in constructing smooth functions with compact support.
@megaing1322
@megaing1322 Год назад
The example we used in university was e^(-1/x^2). That function has the benefit of not being piecewise, making it easier to plug in complex numbers. Otherwise the calculations and results are exactly the same.
@MasterHigure
@MasterHigure Год назад
5:55 "The obvious value for f'(0)" is the value that results from calculating the derivative at x=0 by using the definition of the derivative, not the result of taking the limit of f'(x) as x goes to 0. It is nowhere near obvious that limits of derivatives work nicely. The same thing goes for all the higher order derivatives. There is either a missing theorem like "if a function f is continuous at x=0 and differentiable on a punctured neighborhood around x=0 and lim f'(x) as x goes to 0 exists, then f'(0) = lim f'(x)", or a missing plain, direct calculation of each derivative at x=0 using the definition.
@vasily_maths
@vasily_maths Год назад
Yeah, there exists a theorem like this. I agree that this is not obvious at all.
@Notthatkindofdr
@Notthatkindofdr Год назад
This is disappointing. I was going to recommend this video to my calculus class, but not with that gaping logical hole. You can prove his method is justified with the Mean Value Theorem (see for example Theorem 2.15.2 on p.207 of personal.math.ubc.ca/~CLP/CLP1/clp_1_dc_text.pdf) but this presentation is just misleading.
@jonasdaverio9369
@jonasdaverio9369 Год назад
The "theorem" you are talking about is just the continuity of the derivative, right? That f'(0) = lim x->0 f'(x), I mean. It obviously depends on the function considered. Here the derivatives are continuious, but this is shown by computing the limit at 0 first, not the other way around, so you're right to point that problem.
@theflaggeddragon9472
@theflaggeddragon9472 Год назад
@@Notthatkindofdr This is fine, the derivative is continuous. Just check the limits from the left and right. There is no "gaping hole"
@Notthatkindofdr
@Notthatkindofdr Год назад
@@theflaggeddragon9472 How do you know the derivative is continuous? Or that it exists at all? Without mentioning a theorem to justify what he did, it is a gaping logical hole to just assume the derivative exists.
@gamerscience9389
@gamerscience9389 Год назад
i love the blackboard vpn ad XD
@Ny0s
@Ny0s Год назад
Really nice function indeed. Thank you very much for your work!
@udic01
@udic01 Год назад
12:18 P3(t)=t^2(t^4-6t^3+6t^2)
@nonameAccountable
@nonameAccountable Год назад
I saw that too, a correction should be added to the video.
@burkeboyer7749
@burkeboyer7749 Год назад
I remember this function from Roger Penrose’s Road to Reality
@gabrielsegovia7686
@gabrielsegovia7686 Год назад
Your videos are like the smoothest classes, did not even realize it was that long
@JordanBiserkov
@JordanBiserkov Год назад
But are they analytic?
@Darkstar2342
@Darkstar2342 Год назад
Stephanie had plenty of fun again during editing I see ;-)
@thechemtrailkid
@thechemtrailkid Год назад
the cadence of a mathematician mid argument (but then, but that means, but if that's true etc etc) matches my 5 year old nephew perfectly and it's very endearing
@JO-fs1on
@JO-fs1on Год назад
I would like to point out that it is not complicated to justify perfectly rigorously that f^(n) does have derivative at 0. You just have to remember that by definition, a function g has a derivative at 0 if and only if the ratio (g(x)-g(0))/x defined for x=/=0 has a limit on both side. Then you can mimick the argument showing that f^(n) has limit 0 at 0 since the ratio when plugging g=f^(n) is simply 1/x p_n(1/x)e^(-1/x) for positive x and 0 for negative x so it converges to 0 with exactly the same argument (you would need to do some induction to be perfect I guess). However if there is a theorem (which I don't know) which says "if g is continuous at 0, has derivatives for x>0 and x
@Notthatkindofdr
@Notthatkindofdr Год назад
This is Theorem 2.15.2 on p.207 of personal.math.ubc.ca/~CLP/CLP1/clp_1_dc_text.pdf, for example. It is a short proof using the Mean Value Theorem.
@JO-fs1on
@JO-fs1on Год назад
@@Notthatkindofdr Well It certainly looked like it would be true but I had never seen a proof until now. Thanks!
@alexey_burkov
@alexey_burkov Год назад
It is actually not true. The Taylor expansion of the function at x = 0 is not 0. Taylor expansion always has remainder, that is dependent on value t in interval between x = 0 and desired value
@a52productions
@a52productions Год назад
This function is so messed up! If all the derivatives are zero, then where does the increase come from??? Friends shouldn't let friends work in ℝ!
@superbn1755
@superbn1755 Год назад
its hard to read the orange titles at transitions with the moving red/orange background
@tap9095
@tap9095 Год назад
Another continuous function with all zero derivatives at x=0 is the Fabius function. It also has the interesting property of being smooth everywhere but non-analytic for all nonnegative numbers.
@cmilkau
@cmilkau Год назад
why would the limit of the derivative yield us the derivative? That's only true for continuously differentiable functions and we don't know about that
@buddychumpalfriendhomiebud9242
@buddychumpalfriendhomiebud9242 6 месяцев назад
It follows from the definition of the derivative as the limit of a slopes gradient
@General12th
@General12th Год назад
Hi Dr. Penn!
@wafiklotfallah9951
@wafiklotfallah9951 Год назад
Even though this lecture is nice and attractive, please note that you calculated the nth derivative at zero by taking the limit of the nth derivative (from both sides). This is not correct. The right way is to use the definition of the derivative. Note that there are examples of functions that are differentiable at 0 but the limit of the derivative as x approaches 0 does not exist, e.g. f(x) = x^2 sin(1/x).
@Calcprof
@Calcprof Год назад
You can use these flat functions to construct a 4th order ode that approximate almost anything. See R. J. Duffin "Rubbel's Universal Differential Equation" IIRC (late 70 or early 80s Proc Nat Acad.)
@timanderson5717
@timanderson5717 Год назад
How is the function even defined in the complex numbers? Is it e^(1/x) for x where Re(x) > 0 and 0 if Re(x)
@lewsouth1539
@lewsouth1539 Год назад
It isn't defined for non-real x. He's talking nonsense.
@ranshen1486
@ranshen1486 Год назад
This is the CDF of inverted Gamma(1,1) distribution.
@PawelS_77
@PawelS_77 Год назад
I don't think it's even well defined for complex numbers. What does it mean that a complex number is less than zero?
@JCCyC
@JCCyC Год назад
Alliterations are actually always amusing and aggravating.
@manucitomx
@manucitomx Год назад
Thank you, professor. I’m sure to introduce this slightly gnarly thing to my students.
@tcmxiyw
@tcmxiyw Год назад
It seems to me that you have proven f’(0)=0 assuming f’ is continuous (and hence defined) at 0. You need to show lim_{x->0}(f(x)-f(0))/(x-0) exists and is 0. Applying L’H rule doesn’t work (easily). I would argue that the radius of convergence of 0 + 0x + 0x^2+0x^3+… is infinite: for all values of x it converges to 0. It converges to f(0) only at x=0. The radius of convergence is calculate from the series itself, not from what it (allegedly) converges to.
@Notthatkindofdr
@Notthatkindofdr Год назад
I agree that his description of the radius of convergence of the series is wrong. As you say, the Taylor series does converge for all x, but it just doesn't converge to f(x) for x>0.
@jamesfortune243
@jamesfortune243 Год назад
You just can't keep a good function down. 🙂
@cmilkau
@cmilkau Год назад
Whenever a mathematician says "obvious", "clearly", "easy to see" or anything similar I get VERY cautious and sceptical.
@mitchwyatt9230
@mitchwyatt9230 Год назад
my favorite flat function is given by sech(x/(1-x^2)) when |x|
@MooImABunny
@MooImABunny Год назад
you could almost say it's appallingly flat
@shadow-ht5gk
@shadow-ht5gk Год назад
Wow, super interesting
@tomholroyd7519
@tomholroyd7519 Год назад
I was just plotting this function this morning! It is pretty flat. Reading about resurgence theory and instantons, non-perturbative effects. It is not obvious at first glance that all the derivatives go to zero, so it's invisible to a Taylor's series expansion at 0
@tolberthobson2610
@tolberthobson2610 Год назад
Interesting function.....
@Stelios.Posantzis
@Stelios.Posantzis Год назад
Hmmm... great stuff. I think it would be useful to add some keywords to the description that will facilitate searching for particular videos (i.e. until youtube adds the capability of searching for spoken words in the video itself), as the number of videos grows exponentially! I remember there was a video where mention of the absolute function was made but now I doubt I can find it (without watching every video again...).
@stmmniko7836
@stmmniko7836 Год назад
thank you for good content
@jimallysonnevado3973
@jimallysonnevado3973 Год назад
For the derivative = 0 part, I think it is a bit sketchy as derivatives need not be continuous thus if limit of left and right of the derivative = 0 does not necessary mean derivative = 0. Luckily this can be fixed by using def'n of derivatives with setting x = 0. We take derivative using limit def'n and only worry about h approaching 0 from above since if h approach 0 from below, f(0+h) = 0 automatically.
@namesurname1040
@namesurname1040 Год назад
In 5:50 hiw do we know thath derivstive is continuous or even defined at 0?I mean we wouldnt take the limit definition of derivative for the starting function at 0 which gives 0 also
@diribigal
@diribigal Год назад
Thought this was a Dogen video for a sec, NGL
@mspeir
@mspeir Год назад
So, a variation of the smoothstep function used in computer graphics?
@kalles8789
@kalles8789 Год назад
This exp (- 1/x) function is the cousin of the sin (1/x). You just have to rotate the complex plane by multiplying by i...
@paulg444
@paulg444 Год назад
Can I avoid LHopital's rule via a Taylor expansion of e ^-t .. I cant see it.
@whatitmeans
@whatitmeans Год назад
Does the function y(x) = (|x|+x)/(2*x)*e^(-1/x) hold the same properties? It is a solution to the differential equation y'-y/(x*|x|)=0 ????? will y(z) be defined in the complex numbers?
@buddychumpalfriendhomiebud9242
@buddychumpalfriendhomiebud9242 6 месяцев назад
f'(0) = lim (f(h)-f(0))/h = lim f(h)/h which exists as 0 is approached on both sides. I dont see where the problem is
@annaclarafenyo8185
@annaclarafenyo8185 Год назад
An even flatter function is exp(-exp(exp(exp(1/x)))).
@colbyforfun8028
@colbyforfun8028 Год назад
How would this function look over complex numbers, where concepts like x>0 or x
@lewsouth1539
@lewsouth1539 Год назад
It isn't defined on non-real x. He's talking nonsense.
@brahimsebbata9036
@brahimsebbata9036 Год назад
thank for the unlimited devices THAT' s true
@retired5548
@retired5548 Год назад
I wonder if this behavior can be related to the essential singularity at x = 0 (or rather z = 0 for complex z). In fact, is there a way to distinguish between two essential singularities in terms of, say, severity? ("In complex analysis, an essential singularity of a function is a "severe" singularity near which the function exhibits odd behavior." as per Wikipedia)
@nathanbraswell2484
@nathanbraswell2484 Год назад
You're exactly on it. Roughly speaking, a singularity is a divide by zero error. Translated to high school calc terms, a removable singularity is a hole on a function, a pole is something that makes a vertical asymptote, and an essential singularity is something where the idea of limits and indefinite integrals stop making sense entirely.
@retired5548
@retired5548 Год назад
@@nathanbraswell2484 having done some rudimentary complex analysis a few years ago, I can also understand that another way to distinguish between poles and essential singularities is by looking at the associated Laurent series. However, it never was enough for me to hear "poles happen when there are finitely many nonzero negative power terms in the Laurent series, while poles have infinitely many such terms". Picard's great theorem helped shed some light on understanding the behavior near essential singularities, but it still remains a subject that keeps fascinating me. I also find interesting how poles can be dealt with by multiplication with some appropriate polynomial, but essential singularities seem to require more. Yes, multiplication with a polynomial does result in a new function, but what I want to stress is the removal of the pole. In a particular case, exp(1/z) has an essential singularity at z = 0. No matter what polynomial we would multiply by, z = 0 remains an essential singularity. However, multiplying by exp(-1/z) solves the issue. There are definitely many details I am not considering here or sweeping under the rug, but it's almost as if essential singularities don't require a polynomial to be fixed, they require an entire series (sort of). Then again, this is just an example, I'm confident there might be examples where this approach doesn't work. I personally think of essential singularities not as places where everything goes haywire, but as places where a function becomes "spicy", so to say. A kind of "I'll take on almost every possible value infinitely many times around this place" spicy function.
@deinauge7894
@deinauge7894 Год назад
​​@@retired5548 not every possible value, there can be an exception. 0 in this case. 😅 ok i just found the word "almost". nevermind.
@cykablyat5272
@cykablyat5272 Год назад
13:08 okay that's funny :)))
@kkanden
@kkanden Год назад
i’m loving the little treats the editors put in the vid :p
@MichaelPennMath
@MichaelPennMath Год назад
I'm curious now to know to what you refer in particular. -Stephanie MP Producer, Editor
@kkanden
@kkanden Год назад
@@MichaelPennMath the cookie monster effect on the hands at one point
@MichaelPennMath
@MichaelPennMath Год назад
OH YEAH!!! Haha. I edit videos pretty quickly and get through a lot at a time. I forget what I did in particular videos sometimes. Thanks :) I like to have fun. -Stephanie MP Producer, Editor
@TymexComputing
@TymexComputing Год назад
And the "upload!" Tshirt.
@ДімаБогданов-ъ8ш
I am confused. Can anyone explain why f^(n) = P_n(1/x)exp(-1/x) and not f^(n) = P_{2n}(1/x)exp(-1/x)? When n=1 f' = 1/x^2 exp(-1/x).
@letinain2645
@letinain2645 Год назад
A very capital function to me... Without it no density of regular functions, which are easier to work with
@maxmasterton3724
@maxmasterton3724 Год назад
Where did you get your blackboard? (Or did you make it yourself)
@minwithoutintroduction
@minwithoutintroduction Год назад
رائع كالعادة.
@lynnjones5587
@lynnjones5587 Год назад
Hey, Stephanie, chalk was in the hot tub, then "realized he dissolved." What? So, is this a hint? Does this flat function have something to do with Schrodinger's cat, or you been working too hard? :)
@psychSage
@psychSage Год назад
спасибо, сегодня была олимпиада с задачей на тему аналогичного разложения в ряд Тейлора, спасибо что объяснили (задачу я не решил)
@szymonraczkowski9690
@szymonraczkowski9690 Год назад
cool
@dn0hr9879
@dn0hr9879 Год назад
💌
@max.caimits
@max.caimits Год назад
5:53 You use lim f′(x) = 0 to show that f′(0) = 0. How justified is this?
@worseize
@worseize Год назад
Когда узнал что 2+2 = 4 впервые
@Noam_.Menashe
@Noam_.Menashe Год назад
The function isn't even defined in the complex numbers.
@vladimir10
@vladimir10 Год назад
Why not? You can define it piecewisly (as an example) just as it is defined in the video. It is just that none of the definitions will be differentiable at zero.
@danielwarkentin6819
@danielwarkentin6819 Год назад
​@@vladimir10 because "
@vladimir10
@vladimir10 Год назад
​@@danielwarkentin6819 You can still define functions using < or > f(z)={ e^[-1/z] for Real(z) > 0 { 0 for Real(z)
@ianmathwiz7
@ianmathwiz7 Год назад
​@@vladimir10 Because exp(-1/x) has an essential singularity at 0, because it oscillates wildly and infinitely often in the neighborhood of 0.
@vladimir10
@vladimir10 Год назад
@@ianmathwiz7 none of that is enough to be a reason for not being defined as a function on complex plane including zero. Set f(z)=exp(-1/z) for all complex z except for 0 and any value you want for f(z=0). This function is defined for all complex numbers and infinitely differentiable for all z except 0.
@charleyhoward4594
@charleyhoward4594 Год назад
but the func. HAS a value >0 (NOT = 0) when x
@bilalabbad7954
@bilalabbad7954 Год назад
Prof Smooth function is a function satisfy the following condition f(ax+by)< af(x) + bf(y) such that : a+b =1
@vladimir10
@vladimir10 Год назад
Isn't that a definition of convex function?
@georgekh541
@georgekh541 Год назад
in fact this function is not evrn defined for complex numbers because of the
@normanstevens4924
@normanstevens4924 Год назад
You can get the same behaviour from exp(-1/x^2)
@vladimir10
@vladimir10 Год назад
Why not? It may not be differentiable, but still definable :)
@iabervon
@iabervon Год назад
@@vladimir10 The relation ">" is not defined for complex numbers. You can define the function that we'd probably all think of as corresponding to this function, but you need to tweak the definition to make sense. Using Re(z) > 0 gives a function that's continuous but not differentiable/smooth/analytic like Michael said.
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