Fate: A Winx Saga Doesn't Really Care About the Fans 

Netflix/Rainbow: ‘we’re gonna make the show feminist because it wasn’t before’ The OG cartoon with race diversity, distinguishable character traits, girls saving the day whilst still being allowed to be feminine and supportive female friendships: 👁👄👁 Netflix/Rainbow: ‘I think the focus of the show is the girls friendship’ Also Netflix/Rainbow: doesn’t make the girls friends until the very last moment.

It shouldn't even be like this if they wanted to make it dark, they just needed to linger a bit on the darker themes the original. It would have been so easy to dig into Bloom's genocide survivor or Aisha's everything in the 2nd season or how half the cast dies getting Enchantix.

the fact that the girls just hate each other just makes me SO uncomfortable.... like they don't really know each other but they are so rude to the others like all. the. time. like WHY

The original: we are girly, fashionable, but we still have our own personalities. The remake: we are all edgy teens, and we hate fashion obviously because we’re not like other girls.

No wonder everyone’s depressed in this generation, the only shows we have to watch are sad, depressing, angsty Netflix adaptations🙃

Out of all the edgy teen reboots out there , i never expected Winx Club to be one of them.

If they wanted a dark series why didn't they do W.I.T.C.H then?

They literally took diversity and said “Oh if we have a black actress we’ll be fine.”

It's actually kind of hilarious how obsessed this reboot is with looking woke, when they literally stripped the entire cast of its diversity, and instead opted to whitewash the hell out of it.

It’s like “black” is the only diverse thing they know. They want diversity? Toss in a black girl. Never have I ever seen brown Asian or many Asians in movie/series. Always black and white. Mostly white. And the thing is this cartoon HAD PROPER diversity. They had Asian, black,white and Latina. That’s what made it interesting.

did he just say “stella’s the same”? STELLA IS NOT THE SAME 😔 she’s like a mix of diaspro and the og stella

I'm still sad Aisha isn't a princess in Fate...she's legit just a side character in the live action

I hate this because as an Asian girl growing up I was roleplaying my friend as Musa, my redhead friend played Bloom, and my black friend played Aisha. So my disappointment was immeasurable.

Nobody is talking about how they did Riven dirty. He looks like a generic tiktok stoner boy

Now i know what i can expect from the "The last Airbender" Netflix Show which is coming.

Why did they make Aishas charecter only an overachiever athlete, she is also the only character that lost her crown 😔

Shout out to OG Winx for making a show about female empowerment without making the male characters completely useless

They really don’t have the audience they want. My 43 year old mom watched this thing, me, technically part of the intended audience *didn’t* So yeah no it’s not winx

The show lost me 5 minutes in when the obvious love interest offered to help the main character and she just drops the "mansplaining" claims off the bat.

Italian here, grew up with Winx, saw every episode of the original series. THIS is insulting to literally all parts involved. The old fans feel betrayed and disappointed, the new ones are getting a trite, subpar cashgrab of a show and the actresses are playing characters that have been stripped of their original personalities. And don't get me started on the representation and wokeness bit. ARGH- Don't TELL us you're "wOkE", SHOW US! Give us strong, well written female characters, racially diverse, with different body types! WHO IS TERRA???? Why couldn't they get us a plus size latina to play Flora? What was wrong with having an asian actress for Musa? WHERE THE HECK is Tecna?! And why is everything so effing drab?! It's a magical world, coming from an animated show for kids. Give me pops of color, give me quirky and whimsical stuff, not that failed dark academia crap! GEE my soul is leaving my frigging body.... I'm SO pissed

Them adding gore and sex for the M rating just makes it more immature.

I love that “parents suck” joke and your mom’s reactions was hilarious and I love that

The thing that people love about winx is because it's goodstory and amazing woman empowerment and the most important diversity

How!!! is Stella the same?? She's so cold like literally the only thing they did the same is that she cares about fashion.. that's it

Fans: "We don't want that!" Netflix: "We don't care!"

Its so clear that FATE is just trying to capitalise on Winx's preexisting fanbase to make up a completely different story. The world building is so LAZY compared to the source material. There is no escapism to a "magical realm" that resembles this world in every single way. The pop culture references are not only annoying but make no sense. They reference shit like Enya and some memes but then make it a point to point out how Bloom is an outsider who is from the "First world" and that there are only a few fairies who reside there. IF THAT IS THE CASE HOW DO THEY UNDERSTAND OUR MEMES AND REFERENCES? why doesn't the magical realm have their own pop culture and own versions of things? Its so frustrating that they're not even trying.. The irony of it all is them referencing Harry Potter in the first episode. HOW DO THEY KNOW HARRY POTTER? Why would Harry Potter even be a thing in a world that is made of magic?? it would be such a boring story for these fairies because it would literally just be daily life. Besides that Harry Potter has infinitely better world building than Fate and the magical world has an entirely distinct culture from that of the muggle world.

Can’t say I’m even a little surprised. The trailer on Netflix basically played like a literal checklist of reasons NOT to watch it. Can’t wait for the dark gritty reboot of Strawberry Shortcake.

they could've kept it edgy, changed the plot, change their personalities, do WHATEVER the hell they wanted BUT KEEP THE FRICKING CHARACTERS THE SAME. there was ZERO reason for Flora to be replaced, there was ZERO reason for Musa not being asian, and there was ZERO reason for Tecna to be completely GONE out of existence. I binged all episodes and I did enjoy myself a bit, the plot is fun, but the characters are just not it!

Can we talk about fairies having instagram. So what they make insta stories about magic anf they can be leaked to the human world? Why wouldnt they create their own equivalent of instagram but from the magic world. They put so little though into it.

Why was Stella so mean tho- Stella was so sweet and sassy but not in a harming way necessarily, what happened...

All I wanted was 2000's bright fashion and hot Riven. Was that too much to ask ?

"probably going to polarise the fan base." That's what they call a marketing strategy, nowadays.

In the show, Bloom said she was born December 2004 so she's basically 16 yrs old and then cut to the shot of them playing beer pong and getting drunk.

"Because no one believes in Animation." Netflix thinking that would be baffling given they went all in with their original anime. And licensing Anime. And greenlighting Dragon Princes remaining 4 seasons allowing the show getting it's full run. ......... So this show is baffling.

Everybody about Totally Spies :"NetflixSTAY AWAY KCCGG KCCGG!!!"

So basically it’s if riverdale had fairy’s and magic

It was created by the same dude that made The Vampire Diaries. After knowing that, I lost all hope for this show not being a dramatic disaster. EDIT: Brian Young wasn't the creator for The Vampire Diaries but he is the producer. He also created Winx Saga and is pushing it to follow the same flow that TVD did, which is why I really dislike the show, as the drama and the "girls vs. girls except for when the main character wins" is just not a formula I find interesting at all.

I really want the western animation industry to actually understand why anime is so popular; it's because it's stories for that age group, but animated! It doesn't have to be grim and dark and intense for teens/young adults to enjoy it, it just has to be interesting, visually or storywise (ideally both but I'm giving them a low bar). Animation isn't a lesser medium for "lowbar" content, it's a legit art form that deserves respect and should be utilised more. The new Riverdale reboot would work 1000% better if it was animated ! The weird tonal whiplash, musical scenes for no reason etc would all flow together better if they were animated! Ditto the Sabrina remake ! Hell, I think (J.K Rowling's fuckery aside) they should do an animated Harry Potter series! They could do a prequel mini series for the james/lily era with an older style of animation (2d, anime style, etc) and then flash us forward a few years to the books timeline, and do a year/book a season! They could really go all out in stylization of the magical creatures, main characters etc, without having to worry about aging actors, schedules etc as much. And it would be way more immersive to get to spend that much time in Hogwarts, and you could include so many things missed out of the movies, and have flying or fight scenes be presented in so many different ways, whereas a live action series would just be disappointing due to budget restraints etc. (edit: i want to add that theres nothing wrong with making gritty dark reboots of shows. i dont care which direction the reboots goes insofar as tone, i just wish they would actually consider the source material and the fan's interests over the for some reason Default of "Adult Show = Horny and Guns, No Fun Allowed" trend rn. if a beloved kids/teens TV show is beloved because of the marrying of bright aesthetics to a dark plot or the inverse, or the fans loved the fashion and diversity (like the winx club), dont erase those things in the reboot and get angry at fans when they were clear about what parts of the show drew them in to begin with! As an example; fans (like myself) loved the Artemis Fowl bookseries as it was a Zuko-style redemption Arc told from the perspective of Zuko himself (intensely simplified but you get the gist lol) where the main character was NOT the hero for the first 2-3 books at least, before becoming a better person without fundamentally changing him into an unrecognisable person, while the movie scrapped all of that in favour of flashy visuals and a Feel-good tone, which is completely AGAINST the OG source material. i would have much preferred a "dark teen" reboot of Artemis Fowl than the KidsBop version we got, because it would actually fit the story.)

Netflix literally said "F*ck diversity" and said yes to Tokenism. Netflix: "But we added a fat girl- no, nevermind that she's white-- It's diverse! And for added depth, let's make her fatness the center of almost every joke. It'll totally explain her insecurities, because who needs confident, well-dressed plus-sized girls of color." Netflix ruined the first-ever Winx live-action. Avatar the Last Airbender fans, they're coming for yall next!

When it comes to these 'dark gritty reboots' the creators always seem to lean too heavily into the angst and edge and too soon. Beloved series that were known for their dark themes and depth of character e.g. The Last Airbender, Teen Titans, BTA, etc. (action cartoons basically) were not known for being constantly dark and depressing. They were balanced shows with a lot of humour and character moments that made you give a crap before things got super dark. Another issue of course is the way these reboots seem to ignore the basic core themes of the original or fail to meaningfully subvert them which makes it come across like it's just wearing the skin of the old property due to lack of creativity, a potential boost of viewership from controversy or simple brand recognition. None of which is indicative of good writing ability. I understand it's probably harder to market but I'd really appreciate more well rounded shows because I feel like the dark moments hit harder and even the fun moments are more meaningful that way. The best modern example that comes to mind is 'Doom Patrol'. It was pretty heavily angst focused yet it had funny and irreverent moments too that only improved it.

I only watched three episodes so correct me if I’m wrong. The thing I’m most mad about is that they got rid of flora and techna. Flora is my favorite character in winx and I really wanted to see her in the show. I could see that the show wanted to include more body types but no one would care if they made flora not skinny.

its just the same names, same powers, a bit of the same backstories but i feel like they screwed the WHOLE "WE ARE THE WINX" VIBE UP smh I'm so mad

The switched at birth thing was where I quit. The 4Kids dub of the show came out about a year after I was adopted myself, so Bloom's adoption was a big part of what drew me in to the show. In those days, it was hard to find good representations of adoption. Especially in children's media. The fact that they changed that just really upset me, because it was something that had meant so much to me as a child.

Everyone in the comments: Aisha Me who watched Winx on 4kids growing up: Layla

Can we talk about the toxic relationship between Sky and Stella! Like why? If they wanted a toxic relationship they just had to use Musa and Riven lmao

I literally had to restart the whole video because i was distracted by how much i love your earrings.

It's weird how many Winx Club fans that I know wanted actual sex scenes in Fate lol, like, they're 16 you know??? I told them that and many replied with “But the actors are +20, that's not bad”, they needed to age up the characters, it felt weird when Bloom said that she was born on 2004

No transformation,no fashion, show lost me right there and then no flora the best one, the best waifu, and it rlly felt like a witch show tbh like the show magician but not better

They fr white washed the characters and then was like “oh shit we forgot the diversity” then added the most random or first black girl they could find then called it a day

I still can't believe that they dropped my girl Tecna. She better come back or else we're gonna have some issues. Overall, I tried to watch it as completely separate to the cartoon with just similar aspects and I enjoyed it.

I like the idea of giving more dimensions for the characters or re-signify, but jusr by the trailer I was getting "Yikes" vibes, and I don't even remember the original cartoon as much. Actually, this is making me feel like rewatching the cartoons out of spit 😂

Stella wasn't cocky in the cartoon... especially since she got left back a year for poor grades/attendance.

What makes me sad is that I know Umbrella Academy wouldn't be as popular if the show used the same style as the comics Also Inuyasha, spectacular spideman and Buffy are the best teen dramas dont at me

It didn't feel like Winx at all. If you've never watched the cartoon series, you may like it. As for me, I'm leaving the Winx fandom. I can't deal with all that disturbingly sexual scenes, angst, depression, etc.

Its just a bit sad. It feels like that they created the show after someone gave them a written summary of the show of an old lady with dementia. And based on that they created whatever that is meant to be. I think its a shame that noone in the film industry seems to take cartoons/comics/"kids content" serious. And they believe they can butcher any beloved franchise in their chase for money and appealing to "young adults". And if I would be still 16 or whatsoever I might would have even liked it. There where honestly so many moments where I thought with a little bit more thought and appreciation of the original content they could have keept telling their story and still making the og fans happy. Just as an example. I believe any "real" winx fan remembers or at least knowledge the moment when all winx are together in the first season after an exiting adventure and bloom comes up with the name for the club. Thats when we know its official and they have bonded a great a true friendship with many more adventures to come. Spoiler: LITERALLY in the last episode after bloom defeats the burned ones they sit all together in bed an laugh. Like why not use this. I really felt upset when the season ended and they actually did not form the fri*ing winx club!!! Yeah I am sure 16 year olds girls don't form secret little clubs anymore. But bruhhh

I haven’t seen someone mess up a reboot this badly since Monster High

Negative legend: "Parents are lame" Mom, casually pacing by in the background: "HEY!!" Pure gold

Why am I just now noticing how pretty NegativeLegend is?

Why does every series about teens want so bad to be the next Riverdale? As if Riverdale were a good, enjoyable thing

I feel like some of these "remake" shows should just stop pretending they have anything to do with the originals besides their names. Just name it something else and admit it's a completely different story line. Slapping a well know name on some random whatever won't make it more successful by association it will only bring it under more scrutiny.

im ready for the fandom to go at war with each other Live-action fans vs. Original Winx Fans I got my popcorn ready

Dane: I'm on Beatrix side because she did a lot for me. Um, she's a murderer and only gave you a pot. If we follow that line, Terra made you pot brownies and didn't murder anyone (and she probably wouldn't have used you to trigger a trap) Terra > Beatrix

Haven't tuned in here for awhile but when i saw the Winx poster tease thingy with "netflix" on it ... Needless to say i was dissapointed and been waiting for this video but daaaamn what is this 2021 glow up you made boy ?? Looking good ~

3:58 Stella was NOT the same! They basically made her into Diaspro!!😭😭

Netflix: Hmm... Latina and Asian? NAH lEtS MaKe ThEM wHiTe! Us: Wtf

Negative Legend: Kinda what tyey did with Voltron. Bad example, nevermind. It's just so depressing, Voltron had everything to ne great, but crashed in the last seasons 😩

the rare instance of a good animated children's show turned live action is Sailor Moon cuz it kept the child marketed appeal of Sailor Moon while just fleshing out the one arc of the story and focusing on the characters more.

Fate: A Winx Saga needs more Dinx

honestly my takeaway after watching fate was that it could've been released as its own thing, like, if theyd been like "heres a completely new show about dramatic teens at a magic school" it would've been a lot less jarring

Modern entertainment *in general* doesn't care about its fans

I feel like this is like disney and the live action movies and one thing I never understand is why everything is live action nowadays

Riverdale will never be as good as Archie's Weird Mysteries.

Too be fair. Winx wasnt originally aimed at kids. It was meant for tweens/teens but kids were more marketable

It makes me so mad that they whitewashed musa and flora, everytime I think about it my blood boils. I was gonna say "at least aisha's black" but they shouldn't be congratulated for casting a black woman to play a play woman like that is just normal, that is the bare minimum.

Honestly I don't mind that they wanna make them live action I just hate the dark twists that they say older audiences would like because clearly we do not

I just binged the whole series yesterday, and it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. But still, I would rather have sparkles and magic compared to mediocre acting, cringy dialogue, and dark academia vibes.

you know the way you said mature in this video has got me thinking lets all start describing these types of shows as "rated MATURE". not rated R, or nc-17 or whatever but as mature, as in we are now the "mature" version of this show, we're "mature" because now we have violence, cursing, sex, and are edgy but in reality are using all those things so half-hazardly to seem adult that we in turn become more childish then the show "made for kids"

This feels like an attempt at doing something like the magicians series on syfy o-o power comes from pain/emotions, lots of sex/drugs/parties, in a college setting. Next thing you know they are going to use finger tutting as a way to work the magic :/ I know ive only seen the trailer for it, and this, buuut..if you are going to do something originally in a high school setting, make it a high school setting and dont ostracize the target audience. Now if you are going to go for older crowd fine, but if you wanna know what college is like, its a lot of classes, homework, projects, lectures, with not enough time for socializing and parties UNLESS you have a schedule with a lot of free time.

_Wow, I didn't know that Tinker Bell went to the ATLA world to learn airbending. Thank you, Mrs Farago- I mean, Dowling._

This isn't even Winx anymore. It feels like the reboot of *W.I.T.C.H* instead (if you dk what i'm talking about, search it up.)

They didnt respect the og work.....😑.

I like it as it's own thing I think. I don't love it, but I don't think i'd feel nearly as frustrated if it wasn't supposed to be winx. As it's own show it's fine, as a winx club adaption it's so bad. You should try and watch the last episode or look up the big spoiler from the last episode so you can see what might be the funniest part as far as special effects go. It's a big moment, but they used up all their budget before that i think so it was hilariously fake looking

Old fan who can vibe with the show for what it is, honestly shouldn’t have been winx to start with make it it’s one thing and we would have something pretty decent on our hands

It’s really sad that depression, abusive/unhealthy relationships and bad parenting sells better than strength, wonder and optimism nowadays. And yes, you CAN have an optimistic and likeable character in a serious show without them looking naive. It just takes skill to write such a scenario.

Tecna is gone, my favorite fairy isn’t there. Musa’spowers were changed?!? And don’t even get me started on Flora! Terra is so annoying and no one will convince me her and flora are related.

The ship storm started when the winx og fans saw the trailer.

I was going to check out Netflix's Winx Club series, but I'm going to save myself the time and agony

Spoilers BLOOM GOT WINGS IN THE LAST EPISODE, FARAGONDA DIED, and I don't know what to feel about it.

THE MAKEUP IS FVCKIN GORGEOUS UR HANDSOME AF

What I liked: the scenes where they showed powers What I disliked: everything else

I saw my dad watching this show earlier 😳

Best part of this live action, it convinced me to finally watch the original.

There should be in in-depth analysis video on why there are so many live action adaptations of cartoons

Original: Bloom: A shy introvert who grows and becomes a powerful leader for an amazing team Stella: Pop princess who has a heart of gold, cherished her friends and was into fashion and always looked good also personal cheerleader for bloom and the girls (The ultimate bff for Bloom). Aisha: A kickass jock who enjoyed sports the outdoors and would sacrifice herself for the greater good also have royal blood flowing through her veins. Flora: Voice of reason (down to earth) through emotional intelligence and has the mental strength of a warrior sweet as can be but will tear you a new one if necessary Tecna: An intelligent computer wiz that provides amazing support the obvious brains/ Tactician of the group. Musa: An emotionally vulnerable girl that slowly changes over time, gaining strength for the better (also great taste in music and talented af) Netflix: Bloom: Selfish, edgy insufferable Stella: same level or worse than bloom plus hater/nemesis of our...MC??? Aisha: Underpaid nanny Flora: DUFF (Designated ugly fat friend) Tecna: Who?? Musa: Who??? And i find it hilarious how they tried SO SO hard to make it dark and mature when the og had it down already with bloom discovering she's the sole survivor of a mass genocide that happened to her kingdom Aisha trying to prevent the same thing happening to her OWN kingdom (Which leads to her having near death experiences down the road) Stella parents divorcing ACTUAL DEATH (yes there was in fact character death in the show no it wasn't anime styled or gruesome but there was a clear indicator) i could go on but i might just leave it at that.

I was so mad when they called Tinker Bell an "air fairy" 😤 I had to pause and yell at the TV.

Negative Legend, You are channeling my aunts in the 90s

If you change the names of the main characters it ain’t even Winx 😭

Makes me wonder what powerpuff girls would be like if it got live action 😂

Okay but can we take a second to appreciate his makeup and looks right now? Like damn you looks so pretty 😍

They: NO we are NOT making a winx live action adaptation with them wearing the things they dressed in the animated show bc they had and UNREALISTIC BODY TYPE and it's like KIND OF *SEXUAL* Let's make them wear dark-schemed sweaters and make one of them be fat to be more realistic ! Also them: *makes the characters, who are supposed to be highschoolers, to have (a lot of) sex*