Why there is overclocking stuff? Because that's what Intel thinks is required to sink Threadripper Pro. Xeon W 4G is basically really scaled up AlderLake Core i9, with wide DDR5 Reg/ECC memory support, all the custom silicon accelerators (like AVX512, TD, QuickAssist and others), overgrown PCIe Gen5 complex, 2 socket interlink, and TDP amped through the roof. People already squeeze more than 700 W of power into these CPUs under sustained loads, because if you can cool it, it will run it. The PSU 5-pin header is meant for SMBus link, many server and server grade PSUs use quite standardized connector, you can even upgrade firmware on the PSU through it. Yep, we've come that far. The SlimSAS is relatively new connector, called officially SFF-8654, and this one is SlimSAS-4i to be precise, as in 4-lane. There exists SlimSAS-8i (8-lane wide, as you can guess), and these are super compact way to connect rapidly inflating number of devices to the host boards, you just need two of them (one can be angled 90 degrees, so you can put them one over another, like sometimes NGFF M.2 devices are stacked), to throw 16 lanes of PCIe somewhere out, up to 1 meter away. Older boards used the good old SFF-8643, called miniSAS HD or sometimes U.2 connector, and while it's mechanically more robust, it takes way more space, has some minor trouble with Gen4 signaling, and practically can't do Gen5 speeds reliably, unless you use finger-thick shielding and additional clock signalling, making it incompatible with Gen3 and lower anyway. You already can't use many Gen4 cables for SAS/SATA. Also this board runs perfectly well on CHEAP standard server ECC-Reg memory. Upside? 32 GB module of single rank (you don't want dual rank in performance-oriented desktop PC, if that's possible) ECC-Reg will set you back ~$90, so ~700 bucks for 256 GB. 16 GB modules run around ~$60. Downside? Server memory is limited to 4800 MT/s. Pumping Registered memory to insane 6+ GT/s is what drives the cost up. The little computer is the ASPEED chip, it contains the BMC. The VGA on board is contained within this chip and is essentially Matrox G550 card - one of the first PCIe graphics cards, it is completely software controlled, and has no 3D or media capabilities at all. Just enough to install an OS or troubleshoot it. Most servers only see graphical GUI during installation, and usually it's deployed automatically anyway over network. The VPP-I2C header is for NVME/SAS/SATA backplanes that use I2C connectivity - standard for servers - backplanes can report their state and faults over it, be reconfigured (if backplane ports use multiple connections, like NVMe/SAS to two different controllers, or NVMe dual port or NVMe/NVMe-oF), or you can upgrade CPLD firmware on the backplane through it. You can chain backplanes, so you need only one connector. The connector you missed is most likely for VROC hardware key, for enabling on-CPU hardware RAID (you can do RAID 0/1/5/10 on any NVMe connected to the board and same for PCH-based SATA). I love this board, but I will be going with the W790-ACE (younger uncle, you can say), as I want Xeon 2400, as I can't use more than 20 cores anyway (license thing), and with lower number of PCIe lanes the layout isn't good for me. It makes one pretty insane workstation, with all the connectivity it can support. I could technically drop 13900K or KS and get overall cheaper platform, most likely quire a bit faster even, but I'd have to choose - either GPU or 100G NIC, and one or two NVMe drives. Modern desktop platforms really struggle with memory too - 128 GB DDR5 on AM5 is virtually impossible, and while 13th gen can get it to work, but is insanely fussy about memory timings, not to mention all 4 slots populated cut speed a lot. I strongly suspect, that all the DDR6 desktop platforms will only support two modules per CPU.
I just bought a workstation with the little brother to this board. It will be here this month. I got the Intel W7-2495X 24-Core, ASUS W790 ACE, 512GB DDR5 RDIMM (8×64GB), RTX-3090, WD Black SN770 NVMe, Corsair HX1200 PSU, Lian Li Lancool, and the Noctua NH-U14S cooler for this platform. I develop high end 3D software for use with with terrains and video game engines. I have defense departments and scientific analysts using my software. My software supports up to 18 Exabytes of memory, but typically only 4TB in most cases. I am looking forward to this build. I hope my building electrical can handle it! I wish that larger RDIMMs were available, 64GB was all that I could find. I am in Canada.
My current workstations include two X99 systems, and my current high end system is an AMD R9-5950X 16-Core, ASUS ROG X570 Crosshair, 128GB DDR4-3200, RTX-3090. I need a lot more than 128GB of memory though for software testing and development.
Thanks for that video. Looking forward to seeing a system built with this motherboard and see how it performs. One point of note, this is a workstation board, not a server board. While workstations have a lot in common with servers, there are some differences. I imagine there are some people who need a workstation who will want to overclock it. I personally want a workstation, but not interested at all in overclocking. I just upgraded my old system a few months ago, but will need to do a cost analysis on this to see if the increased productivity is worth the high price or not.
The LN2 mode enables you to put 'unsafe' voltage settings in the bios for when you are cooling with LN2 (so basically a kind of unlock for bios settings)
On forced all core turbo it does burn 580-620 W already without flipping this jumper, and it's possible to cool it with room temperature water thanks to massive heatspreader. In this particular case pumping 'unsafe' voltages to this CPU kind of really mean LN2 cooling. With 1.1 kW loads some overclockers report it eats that nitrogen rather fast.
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Asus Zenith Extreme also had this switch I assume they are related.
Baseboard Management Controller That's the name of the little computer that controls the bigger computer. The slimSAS ports support PCIe gen 4 4x lane NVMe devices, U.2 2.5" drives at 64gbps But thanks for reminding me to kick myself in the rear. Built a I7 6950x in 2016, went with the ASUS ROG 10th anniversary edition board, but was considering the workstation board that was only about $200 more. Basically the same exact board as the ROG, exceptions being the WS had 10gbps lan ports and without the led's onboard.. Don't get me wrong, still rocking that setup and it handles everything I throw at it to this day, just kicking my self in the rear because the 10gbps LAN would be nice. And I disabled the onboard light show of the ROG day I built the system. Not into the LED thing, so something I'd have done even if it's home wasn't in a 4u rackmount case. Wouldn't be able to see that light show in that case anyways.. Moral of the story, save a couple hundred bucks at build time, kick yourself in the rear later! 😅
Been waiting for this! Gonna wait for 7000 series Threadripper to come out but the W790 WS (comes with u.2) + W5-2455X might be my next upgrade after RAM prices come down a bit. Shame there's no quicksync on these though. And yeah it's DDR5 R-Dimm. And the PSU setup is for multiple RTX type cards considering you can get 3 of them in there
@Muhammad Ehtasam The reason it has no quicksync is because it has no IGPU. Has nothing to do with what GPU may be used with it, it's one of those things intel has segmented in the Xeon lineup for years.
For this type of budget a custom case is the best Sir. One of PC builder at my place set up their own mini facility and make a rendering-specialized case which will fit 7 GPUs using risers, custom liquid cooling loop is available too. Seen one built for Blender myself. A little bigger than 4U, CNC brushed aluminum, soft-tube loop, 6x 3090 and 1 RAID card, plus 16 HDDs, damn fine made and well organized.
I want this!!! I haven't upgraded my PC (X99) since 2016/2017 (except my M.2 NVMe), and I was disappointed there hasn't been an HEDT PC since X299. I was excited to see last month the quiet release of the ASUS PRO WS W790E-SAGE SE. I had no idea this beast even existed, and was even more blown away that there wasn't any coverage regarding this motherboard online reviewing it and performing benchmarks or something (I think you're one of the first ones to cover it). Once my finances allows me, and unless something better is released that catches my attention, I will be purchasing this ASUS PRO WS W790E-SAGE SE motherboard along with a Intel Xeon w5-3435X CPU (I might also simply YOLO it and get the Intel Xeon w9-3495X CPU 😏). Before, I would never imagine myself purchasing workstation-grade equipment, but due to the lack of HEDT in the consumer sector (as mentioned above), I think I will be purchasing workstation-grade equipment from now. I'm simply an enthusiast that loves overkill, high-end components with lots of features that aren't simply available on consumer-grade motherboards and CPUs. I demand at least ~50-60+ PCIe-5.0 lanes with multiple M.2 NVMe sockets and 8 DIMM slots. It's ridiculous and unfortunate that manufacturers think 28 PCIe lanes is acceptable. Now, I'm regretting not electing for the HPTX sliding motherboard tray when purchasing my CaseLabs Magnum THW10 computer case back in 2017. I never imagined myself getting anything bigger than a E-ATX motherboard, hence I elected for the XL-ATX sliding motherboard tray. Hopefully the guy who is bringing them back to life starts selling CaseLabs parts soon or I will have to find someone with a 3D printer or something to make me a custom 384 mm x 384 mm aluminum sliding motherboard tray along with a center divider to receive it. Interestingly enough, though, I couldn't find any 2 TB (8 x 256 GB) DDR5 ECC kits online to purchase when casually browsing for them earlier this month.
I would like to see The Motherboard, Cpu, and Ram's full performance. Even though it would be very costly, It wouldn't be worthless. So, If you make a build with pro-Gpus and 2 PSUs it would be a very sick build also last time I checked coolers, There is a very limited cooling solution. Also, I wanna see all the benchmarks in professional use cases with which software to use.
These type of computers are usually used for science and research. Calculating the 100th digit of Pi for example. Okay, bad example, but in that vein. And well, derivatives, such as AutoCad, which is highly based on math - which is science.
The 5pin power supply monitoring header is the same connector as Asrock's Thunderbolt4 header, they just serve a different function. Asus's TB4 header is different altogether as well.
That's the DDR5 ram pros have been waiting for. I'm gonna wait till it gets to consumer platforms and pricing and skip on the lga 1700 upgrade. I need more than 64 gigs of ram for my insane AE comps.
I'm assuming and I'm hoping that you're going to upload a video with this fully built out. I'm interested in seeing a video from you with video and 3D rendering benchmarks. I already know that it's going to be a dog for gaming and it certainly would be nice to have an enthusiast level CPU from Intel again .. Arrow Lake-S.
Take thermal image videos and temp readings of the motherboards you recommend. Some motherboards run very HOT, Also SSD and components. Put those in your reviews of motherboards.
nice Board. But i don't know where you purchase your Memory. RDIMM from Hynix or Samsung are about 80-100USD/16GB Module. So if you have 8 Modules, it equals less than 1000USD not 3000USD like you mentioned.
Some new info sprinkled in for me, but then Blunder 1: A Kingston Server Premier RDIMM 64GB, DDR5-4800, CL40-39-39, reg ECC, on-die ECC is under 300.- Euros, so 8 make 2400.- for 512 GB of RAM! (in words: FIVE HUNDRED AND TWELVE) Half is half the price. Double is rather a 1000.- x 8 or so. 1300.- mobo, 2000.- for a 3435X, 2400.- for 512 GB, 1700.- for an RTX 4090 sounds a good fit. Blunder 2: 7 4090
0:09 sorry, but you are confused, these are boards of different generations of WRX80 processors for 3xxx and 5xxx Threadripper where there is no support for DDR5 and PCI-Exp 5, and Intel on 4677 offers all this. It makes more sense to compare all this with the 3rd Gen IceLake LGA3647 platform
(10:50) I think that the 2 PSU arrays are for redundancy, not for power limitations right? And thanks for pointing the R-DIMM stuff, I was about to buy this motherboard and then I realized that r-dimm are unavailable for the GB/modules and frequency that I am looking. (15:30) My understanding is that this is NOT a server board, but rather a user board with some server stuff. For example, the form factor with that many PCI-E connectors is not appropriate for racks. This motherboard comes with a sTRX5 socket for ThreadRipper Pro 7xxx processors, not the EPIC serie for servers.
OMG! $1299.00 ... with no WIFI. By the way in the future we are going to have to start with the 1600W PS and work our way backwards. Phanteks makes a case that supports 2 Power supplies, Enthoo Pro 2.
The Enthoo Pro 2 doesnt support this motherboard though. And you need a specific PSU for that case to work with two motherboards. I have the Enthoot Pro 2.
Hey I need your help. I'm building with this motherboard using a 3475X. For whatever reason the M.2 SSD slots on this board just does not detect my drives, one of them does (bottom slot) but it will crash within 60 seconds and Q-code error AA. Have you successfully built with it and got windows running stable? I've RMA'd this board once already and with two fresh new units had the same exact problem. I've already troubleshot the other components, RAM sticks are all fine, CPU is fine, SSDs are also fine as I tested them on another motherboard. Asus customer servicer also couldn't solve it, been with them multiple times on the phone. Appreciate any ideas you can give, thanks!
Here's a question I think you have never heard. Which motherboard manufacturer has mastering grade audio converters on board? I don't think there are any, but I was hoping that you could find out what converters the various manufacturers use for each motherboard. Many builders have been marketing their PC builds as best for music production, so I thought it was only fair that we be told what converters are built into onboard audio. Perhaps manufacturers will begin creating offerings for music creators. We need lots of pci slots, we need crazy amounts of CPU power, we need , quiet cooling excellent long term low cpu temperatures with little or no thermal throttling, we need multi core performance that is as good if not better than single core performance, we need the options of m2, m.3 or ssd on every board. We need strong multi screen and video rendering capabilities as well. We need it all in one cpu and on one board with gigabytes lan and Ethernet and we need a s ton of those ports on out mobos. You know what we need some really different stuff.
Lot of people ( Including Mom's and Father's) Don't need THIS THING.. But I Blame RU-vid and Other Social Video Websites for Chip Shortage and Normal prices Goes up without Tech upgrade...Thankyou for Your DPU review
I wish more high end board would support 2 PSUs by default, for one you can enable redundant power supplies easily this way instead of some sketchy workaround to enable you to have the same level of redundancy you have on rackmount servers. So, not because of additional power although in this case that is also a reason.
Bleeding Edge?! It's bleeding expensive! 😮 Unless this platform can do the tasks you need before you even think about what you want then you'd better have enough work coming in to pay for this beast 😉
From the limited benchmarks out there the 56 core W3495X is kind of unimpressive vs the 64core 5995WX and the 7000's are supposed to be out later this year so...
This is the motherboard I'm gonna buy. Please make a build with dual RTX 4090s, 128GB ecc. I want to replace my Mac Pro 7.1, the latest one with M2 Ultra is trash because has too few pci lanes and no modular gpu.
Why don’t you review a SuperMicro server board for Xeon Platinum scalable 4th gen With 4 CPU socket with up to 16 TB of memory in 64 DIMM slots. Or even better take a look at the IBM Power Mainboards(used for mainframes) or the 8 Xeon Platinum 4th gen Scalable motherboards build into the new Lenovo servers. It puts this motherboard really to shame(also cost wise)
m.2 pcie cards stacked in every slot and all my ram needs and 2 4090s and 12 SATAS 14900 ks OR KILT is a red Robin. I wonder under 15 layers of pcb we can fiber optic some channels.
I will bet that a LOT of people using a fully loaded motherboard like this will pop their breakers due to overloading the circuit, just put the workstation together using around 4x4090's, at least a few 4Tb SSDs (4) and obviously 8 SAS 20Tb HDDs in RAID Z2 with 3 redundancy reserved HDDs (so 60Tb lost for the sake of safety, still leaves you with a ZFS pool that will have 100Tb of usable storage). Of the SSDs 2 will be in RAID 1 mirror (main Operating system and software disk) the other two will be used for ZFS caching.
Did you notice any connectivity issues with the onboard NICs?... After being fully powered off (i.e: no wall power) for a few hours, mine show no link / connection / "cable unplugged". A brief power cycle (~10s) resolves the issue.
For building a decent content creation PC, is there any difference between building it with an Asus ROG Strix Z790-A or Asus ProArt Z790-CREATOR? Same question for GPUs.
I remember thinking about buying a Xeon cpu about the time that my i7 920 was about to die!the cheapest xeon was about 350 dollars, got the ryzen5 2600 and a 1650 super gpu to game on!
Registered ECC.... Typical for servers and some high end workstations. Like my second hand server running DDR3 Registered ECC and no other type of memory will work regardless of fitting on the slots. On DDR5 they also made the server ram physically different (the referred voltages differences made it needed to prevent burnt dimms by those who don't know better)
These nvme cables should come to desktops! Like come on...best you can get is 2 m2 slots and then you need to use sata or some pie x16 adapters for all the extra storage.... Do people really manage to fit all their games nad files on just 2 drives?.... I have 4 SSDs and 2 HDDs in my current desktop
You specifically said quote "This motherboard sample...". I missed where you said this review is sponsored. Please hook us viewers up and clearly state if the reviews are sponsored. If we miss that part, it truly does make a difference. Thank you sir.
What would you recommend for a WS/NAS/Virtualization station built with this motherboard? Looking at the Intel Xeon w9-3475X Processor... Any case recommendations for dual PSU? Not sure if I'm going rackmount, but will if necessary
Having some issues with this. Seems it fails post but i have no clue why. I don't have a speaker and the error code is 00. Nothing evert displays on monitor and after a while the CPU fans turn off. I have this setup in dual PSU mode. Any ideas? -Update seems it was due to a faulty 8pin ATX connector preventing the CPU from getting power. got a full refund lol
I went trough 3 motherboards since January 2022, bios chip problems plagued all motherboards. Asus is having a quality control crisis avoid Asus they have poor customer service at this time.
This is a prosumer board, not an Enterprise board. I was hoping U.2/.3 will be available on consumer, even mainstream, but it's being kept at Enterprise/Server space. I'm still using 2.5/3.5 inch storage.
You can even add U.2 drives with PCIe slot adapters. You can also run U.2 drives anywhere on your case, even hotswap bays, by using HBA and/or adapter cards with Mini-SAS HD / SFF cables connectors. There's a TON of options. My old X79 board, Ivy Bridge era Xeon, even uses an U.2 Optane drive.
@@CheapSushi SATA Express exist on Skylake and Kaby Lake, but never took off, because M.2 stayed. I'm still using spinning HDD, and was hoping that 3.5inch SSD exist, using the U.2. Imagine we get an 8TB+ SSD at 16Gb/s (12Gb/s, due to 2 SATA lanes, and x4 PCIE 3.0) on 3.5inch form factor. Instead, SSD are limited to M.2 2280 (they aren't even using the 22110, and it's PCIE x4 revision. I guess the industry is holding the SSD back, because they don't wanna repeat the SD card mistake.
I bought an ASUS Pro WS W790E-SAGE SE with the Intel Xeon w7-2475X processor and V-Color DDR5 memories 256GB (64GBx4) 5600MHz CL36 Overclocking R-DIMM SK hynix Original IC 2Rx4 1.25V ECC Memory DIMM registered for W790 work station It only works with 1 memory placed in slot B1, if I place 2 or more memories code 29 appears Does anyone have any idea what's going on?
Hey, Ive troubles to get any network connection. I installed the drivers from the motherboards site successfully, but still no ethernet. Im running it on WIN11 Pro. Does have anyone a solution?
