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Federation Starfleet's Strategic Combat Doctrine Analysis! 

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This is a tactical analysis of the Federation Starfleet from the 23rd century to the 24th century. What drives the strength's and weaknesses of the Federation's philosophy on war?
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@Hathawayp5
@Hathawayp5 5 лет назад
Lovely surprise to see my artwork used in your thumbnail. Created it 12 years ago but glad to see it popping up here and there still :)
@resurrectedstarships
@resurrectedstarships 5 лет назад
Oh it's the dominion war shot? I'll be happy to credit you!
@Hathawayp5
@Hathawayp5 5 лет назад
@@resurrectedstarships That'd be awesome thanks. Glad you liked it :)
@resurrectedstarships
@resurrectedstarships 5 лет назад
Oh good i found this comment again - so many. I am curious what you used to create the image, some CG program?
@Hathawayp5
@Hathawayp5 5 лет назад
@@resurrectedstarships Yes I used 3ds Max to render the ships in 3D and Photoshop for the all the effects. You can see the original copy on deviantart if you search for Hathawayp5. My name is credited at the bottom along with the ship modellers :)
@daleyseaton9859
@daleyseaton9859 5 лет назад
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@GaiaDblade
@GaiaDblade 5 лет назад
There was a big point someone told me about the Federation in a discord server I follow: Although the Federation has the smallest number of dedicated warships compared to the other factions of the Star Trek universe, the Federation is also the only faction known to over-arm non-military vessels. Who else but humans would put proton torpedo tubes on a diplomatic/humanitarian vessel?
@rembrandtshadows
@rembrandtshadows 5 лет назад
Shhhh! You'll give it away!
@Groza_Dallocort
@Groza_Dallocort 4 года назад
Well we used to arm sea going merchantships/cargoships once in time. Now we would need it again to stop pirates against those ships but the law says no
@bermanmo6237
@bermanmo6237 2 месяца назад
Well, you can do put weapons on a US Navy unarmed transport with modular weapons launcher or add these same noddles to existing warships to give it more firepower without having to bring these same ships in for a long refit. You can do the same thing to drink ships as well. US Navy submarines are also use in mapping the oceans. Not to mentioned, the US Naval Academy is more like a regular 4 year university where you get training in other fields in addition to military training. It grants a Bscheolor's Degree like any 4 year university. Therefore, Starfleet resembles the US Navy in real life..
@spiritofthewolf15x
@spiritofthewolf15x 5 лет назад
"Don't push the Pink-skins to the thin ice" - An Andorian saying.
@dojokonojo
@dojokonojo 5 лет назад
"Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don't believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes."
@aibohphobe
@aibohphobe 5 лет назад
Shan called humans pink-skins a lot. I wish Mayweather had called him out on it at least once. "Pink-skins? Really?"
@AdamStephenTaylor
@AdamStephenTaylor 5 лет назад
dojokonojo that there, is the single best peice of writing on any star trek show or film, ever. Powerful.
@dojokonojo
@dojokonojo 5 лет назад
@@AdamStephenTaylor Personally, I think the root beer conversation between Quark and Garak wins out ;)
@rembrandtshadows
@rembrandtshadows 5 лет назад
@@dojokonojo was that quark?
@artembentsionov
@artembentsionov 5 лет назад
“Always remember that expansion is achieved by diplomacy, not by the military. Starfleet’s mission is to preserve the peace. Our ships aren’t meant to start wars, but to end them. We attack only as a last resort.” Note how “end them” can be interpreted several ways: ships can ferry diplomats, and they can pound the enemy until the threat is eliminated.
@trevynlane8094
@trevynlane8094 5 лет назад
Similar to modern US military doctrine. Also keep in mind that in most instances, the Federation is pulling it's punches. A Constitution class ship could devastate a world in its heyday, and later ships are only going to be more powerful.
@artembentsionov
@artembentsionov 5 лет назад
The quote is from the Birth of the Federation game, a Master of Orion-like turn-based strategy. Vastly underrated. Notably, the Federation is probably the hardest to play, since most events tend to lower morale (war starting is a big one). By contrast, the Romulans are the easiest (their morale goes up when wars start AND end, plus all their ships are cloaked). But if you get to the end of the tech tree with the Federation, you get the Defiant, which is the ultimate playable ship in the game. No other faction has a ship like that. It can cloak and has more firepower than a small fleet. FYI, the other factions are Klingons, Cardassians, and Ferengi. There are also lots of minor races (all from the shows), which you can either conquer or bribe until they join you. Also “monster” ships (if a Borg cube spawns near you early on, just start over, it’s not worth playing if you just end up wiped out by them; it takes a sizable late-game fleet to beat it).
@rembrandtshadows
@rembrandtshadows 5 лет назад
want me to bring my Collosus? Oh, wait, that is Stellaris . . . .
@VME-Brad
@VME-Brad 5 лет назад
@Captain Raptorman Yeah the Enterprise D nearly destroys a world by accident in one episode. And never forget that Sisko poisoned an entire world in order to capture one criminal.
@dinhnguyen2110
@dinhnguyen2110 4 года назад
Peace grows strength. Militaries don't come out of battles bigger than they started. Generally.
@korben600
@korben600 4 года назад
It's nice to see a video where Starfleet's various positive aspects are actually acknowledged. Usually those kinds of videos overemphasize Starfleet's lackluster military prowess, complaining about how underpowered the federation's weapons are. But this video does an excellent job outlining why Starfleet's other assets well more than overcome that shortfall, leading it to be a powerhouse in its own right!
@vp21ct
@vp21ct 5 лет назад
We are the Federation. De-power your weapons and send us your ambassadors. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will be incorporated among ours. Diplomacy is inevitable.
@francescopremsolidoro3858
@francescopremsolidoro3858 5 лет назад
You will comply
@goakiller900
@goakiller900 5 лет назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xy5jAixHhSA.html this summerized it quite good your comment on this video
@dojokonojo
@dojokonojo 5 лет назад
The scary thing is you can read this both as Locutus speaking, or an angry Picard speech to some offending alien of the week
@t4rv0r60
@t4rv0r60 5 лет назад
thats a good one
@Marinealver
@Marinealver 5 лет назад
Have you played Star Trek: Ascendancy? The Federation has a restriction that they cannot invade planets but they can hegemonize them. So they enter a system and blow up or drive away all enemy ships before the diplomatic fleet arrives to discuss the "peaceful" annexation of the planet.
@Rand0m27
@Rand0m27 5 лет назад
I love that you got footage from a early nineties video game. I believe it’s either Star Trek Klingon, or Starfleet academy.
@hamanu666
@hamanu666 5 лет назад
Rand0m27 Yeah Star Trek Klingon Academy with the amazing Christopher Plumber reprising his role as General Chiang from Star Trek 6. Great storyline.
@yeldarbarrow3172
@yeldarbarrow3172 4 года назад
I hit the comments section to confirm my suspicion this was from a video game. Good use of that!
@leaaronsanchez
@leaaronsanchez 5 лет назад
The Excelsior class has also been serving for over a hundred years, after a battle with the Dominion you often see Federation ships tugging away the damaged Excelsior classes to repair them
@dragonknightleader1
@dragonknightleader1 4 года назад
Yes, but Excelsior ships took to retrofits exceedingly well. The Lakota was able to fight the Defiant, had quantum torpedoes installed, and hit above its weight limit. It's not like the Miranda-class, which was the poor, bloody infantry of Starfleet ships.
@leaaronsanchez
@leaaronsanchez 4 года назад
@@dragonknightleader1 the Lakota was heavily modified before that fight with the defiant. The modifications was not sanctioned by Starfleet, and they were not recorded in Starfleet records. Basically it was secretly modified, but those modifications did have drawbacks that the defiant actually exploited
@dragonknightleader1
@dragonknightleader1 4 года назад
@@leaaronsanchez Considering Benteen betrayed Leyton, she'd be more than willing to exchange the Lakota's specs in return for a lighter sentence. Besides, retrofits are legal anyways and is common naval practice in real life, such as the New Threat Upgrade program or the real Enterprise during the Cold War. Also, remember that Leyton was planning to go to war with the Dominion, so engineering specs had to be written down and disseminated after the successful coup. Just because it was top secret doesn't mean Leyton wasn't planning on declassifying it to necessary personnel.
@leaaronsanchez
@leaaronsanchez 4 года назад
@@dragonknightleader1 I know very well the retrofit the Navy. The USS Constellation was retrofitted in 1869 from a 42 gun frigate to a 46 gun sloop of war, its fourth modification and retrofit since it was built in 1777. But the thing is those modifications were not sanctioned by Starfleet. He was doing it illegally that's one of the reasons he was arrested at the end of the episode. Compared to the Klingons and the romulans who had newer ships, Starfleet was in no way ready to fight the Dominion. The Romulan warbirds was less than 20 years old, the Klingon bird-of-prey raise looks like the older version from Search for Spock but was actually a newer, bigger version, as evidence from the bridge design in Crew number. Search for Spock Klingon bird-of-prey had a maximum crew of 7, and the Klingon bird-of-prey is used in DS9 had a crew of 40. They were also faster and did not have the captain's Gunner position. Just the Excelsior in the Miranda Class for well over 120 years old. They retired the original Enterprise after 20 years, why did they still have those rust buckets fighting when they had had the galaxy-class, Andromeda class, New Orleans class, nebula class, sovereign-class, Cherokee class, Intrepid class, Yeager class, steamrunner class, akira-class, Luna class, as well as the defiant class all were much younger and performed much better then those older ships. BTW I just finished watching season 6 of DS9, now watching season 7.
@raw6668
@raw6668 4 года назад
@@dragonknightleader1 It also hurt the Miranda was an even older class before technology to retrofit was widely design for their ships.
@JeanLucCaptain
@JeanLucCaptain 5 лет назад
I quote (Mostly) from Prelude to Axanar: Karn the Unforgettable: The first rule of Warfare is to know your enemy. But with the federation you never knew who you are fighting. each ship was crewed by different species and captains, each with thier own favourite tactics. Fighting the federation was... frustrating. I think Thrawn would find this true as well. Especially with the unified designs of Starfleet ships making it impossible to tell at a glance who is in that ship.
@resurrectedstarships
@resurrectedstarships 5 лет назад
I beleive Thrawn would be used to this in fighitng the Rebellion and later the New Republic, which had many different species and cultures. It was often within Thrawns capacity to know the commander or the species before a battle and analyze form there. He had more problems with random improvisers like Solo, and creative force users like Luke (in the original Thrawn trilogy I mean, but in disney canon Ezra, a force sensitive, was able to trick him as well).
@JeanLucCaptain
@JeanLucCaptain 5 лет назад
@@resurrectedstarships Ok what about the insane technology gap and the fact Starfleet encourages inventive thinking like what solo does?
@chrisbell7133
@chrisbell7133 5 лет назад
Picard - "Mr Worf, take the conn. Remember the plan - broadcast the Klingon opera, of your choice. Mr Nogg, when it seems that this Thrawn fellow starts puzzling out Mr Worf's patterns, I want to swap you in. We'll give him a taste of Federation arts!"
@JeanLucCaptain
@JeanLucCaptain 5 лет назад
@@chrisbell7133 In thrawns voice: The federation claims to be peaceful yet they listen to shakespear as avidly as the Klingons do... this could indicate an element of arrogance and superiority among the federation. also they both seem to love something called caffeine and imbibe this stimulant in large quantities.they always send their chief officers in with every away mission which is foolhardy in the extreme.
@alexanerose4820
@alexanerose4820 5 лет назад
@Jean-Luc Martel In terms of civilian technology yeah there is quite a gap (Replicators being one of them. Not sure how well bacta and sentient AI fare though since I've never seen something akin to the CIS for ST except for the Borg. Hyperdrive I'm sure is better then warp at least.... when you don't run into a planet). But in terms of industry and military tech, SW has that beat by miles. Entire sectors the size of all of Starfleet owned by crime-lords? Traversing the galaxy in a matter of weeks compared to years? A galaxy spanning empire with an indusrtry that can create monstrosities like the Death star and the SSD's? Trillions of combat droids at one point? Magic plasma blade wielding super monks? Yeah unless you bring in the Klingons, Borg, or Species 8427 i wouldn't really get into a fight with SW.
@achimsinn7782
@achimsinn7782 4 года назад
One thing you didn't mention is that Starfleet tends to try to avoid collatoral damage. They will do what they have to do, if there is no other way, but if there is a more difficult way that allows to avoid collatoral damage they will rather take that route. This could be a huge downside as it opens them up for failure, but it could also lead to them finding new friends or allies which could also be an upside.
@SantomPh
@SantomPh 5 лет назад
4:43 Defiant Class ships actually have one phaser array that can shoot in 3D on top of the hull in addition to the phase cannons. You can see it when it is attacking the Negh'var or the Lakota. In a heated battle though the Defiant uses its agility to attack with the phase cannons and quantum torpedos rather than array. A ship is willing to trade a phase emitter (a part of a phaser array) for a gravity stabilizer for the Defiant in "Faith, Treachery and the River."
@Cailus3542
@Cailus3542 5 лет назад
SantomPh Correct. The phaser array is mounted on the dorsal hull and provides much-needed versatility beyond the bow-mounted cannons and torpedo launchers.
@3Rayfire
@3Rayfire 4 года назад
Two. There's one directly opposite on the ventral hull to cover the underside firing arc.
@BlueBoxRevan
@BlueBoxRevan 5 лет назад
Ferengi 1: Rule of acquisition number 34, war is good for business! Ferengi 2: But I thought peace was good for business! Ferengi 1: No, that is rule of acquisition number 35!
@SchneeflockeMonsoon
@SchneeflockeMonsoon 5 лет назад
The Silent Protagonist “It is the Ferengi I fear Most. They do not evolve their art, rather, they appropriate it. They are the unpredictable, the... wild card... I must watch them...”
@kadindarklord
@kadindarklord 4 года назад
The two rules basically mean, that war or peace. Profit is to be made.
@balrighty3523
@balrighty3523 3 года назад
Rule 34, addendum: War is good for business, but preferably from a safe distance.
@dodecahedron1
@dodecahedron1 2 года назад
neutrality during war is good for business, sell weapons but don't get involved
@singletona082
@singletona082 5 лет назад
The most terrifying thing about StarFleet is their Science, because even when the laws of physics give the probability of next to nothing? Starfleet engineers will figure out how to reliably tap that phenomina to do Scary Shit.
@Nostripe361
@Nostripe361 3 года назад
They created a simple device that overrides one of the most basic rules of quantum physics
@HuntingTarg
@HuntingTarg 2 года назад
@@Nostripe361 The way you say it, it sounds like something that belongs in _Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy._ Which is, in a sense, apropos.
@HuntingTarg
@HuntingTarg 2 года назад
You're describing the sort of 'physically practically impossible but highly convenient for plot' event I've seen several times on pre-Time War Dr. Who episodes. I think I'll coin a new trope: The 'infinite improbability plot hat trick.'
@Idazmi7
@Idazmi7 5 лет назад
4:51 - "not heavily armored", he says. Meanwhile, the ship is clearly tanking multiple antimatter weapons to the bare hull, staying in one piece. 6:21 - The _Constitution Class_ from 100 years before the Galaxy Class could extend it's shields. We see this in "Mudd's Women".
@leexgx
@leexgx 5 лет назад
They do have Hull plating, but nothing like the klingon ships
@commanderknight9314
@commanderknight9314 5 лет назад
Then they cwn begin putting ablative armor on their ships.
@BGRANT777X
@BGRANT777X 5 лет назад
Its almost like ships withstand whatever the plot needs them to.
@Idazmi7
@Idazmi7 5 лет назад
@@BGRANT777X _"Its almost like ships withstand whatever the plot needs them to."_ When the Constellation was destroyed in _The Doomsday Machine_ and the Enterprise was destroyed in _The Search For Spock,_ and the Odyssey was destroyed in _The Jem'Hadar,_ and the Defiant was destroyed in _The Changing Face of Evil,_ they didn't just explode when slightly poked, and that's how it should be. Even the Galaxy Class is a fighting ship, what with it's 275 torpedoes and 14 phaser arrays.
@noppornwongrassamee8941
@noppornwongrassamee8941 4 года назад
@@Idazmi7 I've always thought that most warlike configuration for phaser arrays for a ship is to just have ONE phaser array... that wraps completely around the ship's hull in a spider web pattern so that all approaches are covered. A ship designed with this doesn't have to route power between different phaser arrays to get max firepower since there's only one array; it can fire a max power phaser beam in any direction without having to delay to play power management games.
@deinekes9
@deinekes9 5 лет назад
Impressive. You dodged the big problems of analyzing Starfleet by looking bigger. Starfleet is tactically versitile, operationally fluid almost to the point of formlessness, and strategically reserved to the point of hesitation (which grants costs and benefits). Starfleet is like Sun Tzu's description of water as the element of war: Formless yet it seeks the natural path downhill, giving way to force and fire yet always reforming as a flood or a storm to swallow its opponents.
@dragonknightleader1
@dragonknightleader1 5 лет назад
To a point. They also constantly violate another Sun Tzu rule. He who defends everywhere defends nowhere or "If there is no position left undefended, then there will not be any place with more than a few." Very rarely do we see ships acting as members of a flotilla because Starfleet insists on keeping ships so far away from each other "that they're the only ship in range." Since most ships of any given fleet are scout ships and frigates like the Miranda-class, shield phalanxes is not a common strategy and those ships get BTFO'd as a result. Even flagships were consistently put in isolated situations when they really shouldn't be, like the Enterprise patrolling (and sometimes crossing) the Neutral Zone on its own. When you really think about it, the Federation does see the crews on Oberth and Miranda classes as disposable convict forces. They're there to draw the enemy out of position by being flimsy bullet sponges.
@Cailus3542
@Cailus3542 5 лет назад
Alex In peacetime the fleet is spread out, yes, but that changes rapidly during wartime. That is also true of real life navies. Squadrons and large fleets in one location are very expensive and typically unnecessary in peacetime, especially for militaries with a lot of territory (the British Empire, for instance). When the Federation does go to war, they are able to amass substantial fleets and utilise smart strategic thinking. The first few months of the Dominion War are an obvious example. Starfleet deliberately traded territory for time, akin to the Soviet Union in WW2, while the Federation finished its mobilisation. They even deliberately sacrificed a vital strategic asset in DS9, knowing that they couldn’t hold it for long, and instead used the opportunity to inflict severe casualties on the Dominion. For the Mirandas and Oberths, they are used like destroyers in the early to mid 20th century. In that, Starfleet did get caught out. The Mirandas should have been replaced in the 2360s, but for whatever reason, that process was slow. The next generation of Nova, Saber, Norway and Steamrunner-class frigates weren’t ready by 2373. Lacking that, Starfleet simply had to use what they had. The Mirandas were exceptional starships for a peacetime Federation, but in war, they were painfully obselete. Their primary benefit was that they provided Starfleet with sheer numbers, which would prove crucial to defeating the Dominion in the long run.
@deinekes9
@deinekes9 5 лет назад
@@Cailus3542 ya beat me to it all. Good job, mate. The problem for me is not the ships but rather the people who crew them. Everytime there's a major conflict, everyone has to go soul searching about the nature of Starfleet instead of getting the job done. Ultimately, the question here is whether Starfleet's naval doctrine is workable to the federation's nature and whether it is sustainable. Its inherently curious and not completely pacifist nature requires a fleet that dual use. The problems of territorial size and pluralistic democracy at war remains. The latter is problem that can only be managed, not solved, as it is the Federation after all. The former requires an upsizing of Starfleet. I always suspected that the post Dominion war Federation would cut back on exploration in favor of consolidation for at least a couple of decades. I was kind of hoping for one of the new trek series was to be about Starfleet rediscovering their exploration side of themselves.
@tbeller80
@tbeller80 5 лет назад
@@deinekes9 I'm 100,000 words into writing a fanfic about the first year post-Dominion War. It's been slow going, but I've had a lot of fun with it.
@deinekes9
@deinekes9 5 лет назад
@@tbeller80 That's great, mate. But you happen to have a title or a link for this purported writing?
@captmoroni
@captmoroni 5 лет назад
Liked and Subbed once that Klingon Academy clip started playing. Chang’s writing in that game is amazing. The Founders tried the same in DS9. If Admiral Layton succeeded in declaring a Starfleet coup of the Federation, it would’ve been civil war, with the “brittle unity” shattered.
@Greywolf905
@Greywolf905 4 года назад
Game? what game?
@captmoroni
@captmoroni 4 года назад
Greywolf905 “Star Trek: Klingon Academy” for the PC. It’s a prequel for the Star Trek 6 movie. It starts off with you taking ship command classes with General Chang, then goes into the Klingon Civil War that ruined their resource supply and made them start overmining Praxis. Incredible game.
@iago318
@iago318 2 года назад
@@captmoroni So there was more than one Civil War in the Klingon Empire? Didn't know that.
@twitchew
@twitchew 5 лет назад
one side note: apparently the klingons could also link their shields into a array (star trek novel: Kobayashi Maru see also Montgomery Scott's Edinburgh solution). It just allowed ships flying in a tight formation (the classic line of 3) to essentially make one big shield and spread the load of an attack. but this limited the maneuverability of the individual ships.
@resurrectedstarships
@resurrectedstarships 5 лет назад
OH thats old school, and I REMEMBER THAT!!! Although not the fine details, it was during scotty's test.
@samsonguy10k
@samsonguy10k 3 года назад
I missed that detail. I just remember his tactic of basically throwing antimatter bottles at them.
@UGNAvalon
@UGNAvalon 5 лет назад
Though not canon, I would’ve loved to see a reference to Axanar, especially that part where they say “In the early days, most crews were made up of a single species; you didn’t know if you were going to fight Tellurite, Andorian, Human or Vulcan!”
@trikstari7687
@trikstari7687 5 лет назад
Fuck CBS for killing that movie.
@leexgx
@leexgx 4 года назад
They have been allowed to make it (just they have strung it out a bit over titi bits, but there be a completed version of it eventually)
@yeldarbarrow3172
@yeldarbarrow3172 4 года назад
Two fifteen minute snippets, fore and aft time gobbling credits, do not a full length movie make.... guideline restrictions neutered the Axanar film. It's gonna be a short bittersweet synopsis of the full story we'd hoped to see. 😞
@hyperdistortion2
@hyperdistortion2 5 лет назад
I know the point at the end about innovation and adaptation was intended as ‘Starfleet inevitably outthinks their threats’, but I couldn’t help feel like there was a comparison to the Borg there... adapt and overcome. Add to that the Federation as a whole being an assembly of dozens of different races bringing their unique qualities to bear, and... yeah. It’s an interesting parallel!
@KellyStarks
@KellyStarks 5 лет назад
hyperdistortion2 Good point. One interesting contrast is that the federation nurtures innovation by everyone. As the vid said a admiral will take advice from whoever has it. But the Borg, by unifying everyone into a vole time mind can recall everything everyone they assimilated knew, but suppress and contradicting innovative new thinking. Hence the situation with species 8472 where since now of the assimilated races had ever delt with anything like them, the collective had no records to use adapt to the new situation. The Voyagers Doctor program on the other hand could develop a completely new concept of how to adapt Borg nanites. If not dismissed as sloppy writing, it I decades the vain collective consciousness is progressing not toward perfection, but senility. A collections of stolen echoes of lost greater races.
@Rasgonras
@Rasgonras 4 года назад
Not only that, but, at least normally, no one was forced into the Federation.
@3Rayfire
@3Rayfire 4 года назад
That's actually an intentional thematic point. The Borg are a dark mirror of all the Federation's ideals. Our evil counterpart. The darkest possible perversion of what The Federation stands for.
@DorkKnight99
@DorkKnight99 5 лет назад
Holy shit, I've never seen that Chang scene before. Fantastic.
@weldonwin
@weldonwin 5 лет назад
Its from the game Klingon Academy
@DorkKnight99
@DorkKnight99 5 лет назад
Super solid for an early-to-mid-90s game. Most impressive.
@zorkmid1083
@zorkmid1083 5 лет назад
I know! Great job by Christopher Plummer! The Klingon clip alone makes this video interesting, and then throw in the cogent analysis!
@SCSuperheavy114
@SCSuperheavy114 5 лет назад
I’d follow Chang to the to the farthest reaches! One of the best Klingon characters ever created and portrayed brilliantly by Mr Plummer!
@samsonguy10k
@samsonguy10k 3 года назад
That's what made Klingon Academy so awesome. Going on Star Trek VI alone you see only Chang who is desperate to see his war with the Federation. But with Klingon Academy you see him when he was more sound, more confident, and someone you can respect. And then you see how events in the civil war go against his doctrine and he slowly breaks. That last speech he gave at the end of the game left my jaw on the floor. I love how much Christopher Plummer didn't merely show up for the role. After Klingon Academy, nobody else can be General Chang.
@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681
A mishmash of races and cultures, come together through diplomacy and cooperation with the common goal of peace to avoid the highly destructive wars of the past... With goals of freedom and humane living conditions for all, and advancement of technology and culture, believing we can be more, not just as a nation, but greater as individuals through learning and dedication. EU, I love you.
@evanray8413
@evanray8413 4 года назад
deluded twat
@koningbolo4700
@koningbolo4700 4 года назад
Starfleet has this "I love you to give me an excuse to kick your treacherous ass." approach to violence while having phasers locked at a warp core.
@Quadrolithium
@Quadrolithium Год назад
Nah they do it better. Instead of phasers to warp core, they introduce the empire to teleporting torpedoes directly to the warp core, block this you filthy Sith. Or my favorite tactic in STO, hacking enemy ships to cause their cores to malfunction, or summoning a black hole in the middle of their ships, thanks Romulans for the idea.
@grand-dadmiral
@grand-dadmiral 5 лет назад
The Federation has multiple species within it, which means many, many, many great works of art. I'm going to need a bigger boat--- ---I mean ship. Yes... a bigger ship.
@barrybend7189
@barrybend7189 5 лет назад
Hey Thrawn ever heard of Bretai? He's a pretty good commander. Can you defeat his small fleet of 1200 warships.
@singletona082
@singletona082 5 лет назад
You've got an entire fleet. musn't be afraid to dream a bit Bigger.
@barrybend7189
@barrybend7189 5 лет назад
@@singletona082 that's just a small tactical fleet. The entire fleet all together is 4.8 million ships.
@grand-dadmiral
@grand-dadmiral 5 лет назад
@@barrybend7189 Sure, give me a minute, some chance cubes, a painting and a roll of duct tape, and I'll come up with something.
@barrybend7189
@barrybend7189 5 лет назад
@@grand-dadmiral they have no civilian culture.
@kakashiloshotmail
@kakashiloshotmail 5 лет назад
In the Board game Star Fleet Battles (that is Beta Cannon), Starfleet used a tactic call alpha strike, almost every weapon a Starfleet ship had faced foreword and their torpedoes could be over loaded to do a massive amount of damage so with their weapons fully charged Starfleet ships would direct power to their foreword shields, ECM/ECCM (electronic countermeasures/ electronic counter-countermeasures)Systems and Engines move in quickly hit their target with with everything they have as their reinforced front shields take brunt of the blow, then they would direct as much power as they could to their engines and move away and recharge and reload their weapons then move in on what should be crippled enemy ship. In a mass fleet battle alpha strikes were used by the heavier ships like the Constitution class or other types of heavy cruisers to take out the lead ships and their support ships would then protect the flank and rear
@JAGraptor
@JAGraptor 4 года назад
What you said about the inventiveness and adaptability of Starfleet would make a difficult adversary for the Imperial Navy. I really should do a video on what I call the Three Tiers of Energy Production for Starships in SciFi and explain how the differences between each tier is not incremental but substantial across all aspects or principals of the Three Tier Model.
@HuntingTarg
@HuntingTarg 2 года назад
I really like your thinking about categorizing energy production. I've always thought of it in those terms: *Primary:* FTL propulsion, main weapons, navigational & combat shielding, *Secondary:* Sublight propulsion, main computer, sensors, navigational shielding, supplementary weapon & hazard shielding, small craft operations, secondary ship systems *Tertiary:* Backup power & Life support systems, maneuvering/attitude thrust systems, communication & distributed data systems, internal security & repair systems, medical/sickbay functions. *Emergency:* Critical life support, dedicated emergency comm systems, escape/abandon ship systems, hull breach/isolation doors. I may have missed or miscategorized certain things, but essentially; each tier can power the systems in lower tiers, but not run most or any of the systems in a higher tier. Most of my understanding comes from the ST:TNG technical manual.
@JAGraptor
@JAGraptor 2 года назад
@@HuntingTarg Not quite what I was going for, I will set up a list soon of what I mean. I like the list, though.
@resurrectedstarships
@resurrectedstarships 5 лет назад
Just an update folks! This video did well and I would like to do one about the Dominion, Cardassians, and ofcourse the star wars Imperial Navy and Rebel Fleet, I'll be doing some Eve Online stuff (I hope those will do as well as this one) - my hope there is that even if you don't play Eve those videos will be interesting. Thank you all for the views, likes, and comments!
@SchneeflockeMonsoon
@SchneeflockeMonsoon 5 лет назад
Resurrected Starships “I would offer my services as the ‘Thrawn analysis’ if you would desire it.”
@parkersenecal5547
@parkersenecal5547 5 лет назад
This sounds like a "Defence in Depth" doctrine Defence in Depth is where you give up space to buy time, grind the enemy to a halt, then counter attack with overwhelming numbers or let their logistical system collapse in on itself A great example of Defence in Depth was the Soviet Union during WW2
@enterprise-h312
@enterprise-h312 5 лет назад
5:08 I would have to disagree here. Given everything that we know, I would say that there simply is no material powerful enough to shield fully against the effects of 24th century weaponry.* Even the Defiant relies on “ablative” abilities rather than “resistive” ones. If Enterprise is canon, then every shot by the NCC-1701 and onward can shatter mountains. Suddenly, the Enterprise surviving a shot by the Reliant is a lot more impressive, isn’t it? (A bit of a side-note, but since the NCC-1701-D supposedly has the means to blow up an iron-based moon ... how do you think that it can achieve this?) *Which the Federation can produce. (See neutronium.)
@lastcartridge
@lastcartridge 5 лет назад
I have to stop and say how much I enjoy your videos, your analysis and thoughtfulness about the whole thing. I know this is a youtube comment so I should be pissed about some minutiae, but whenever my partner says something to tease me about watching star trek lore stuff, I go "hey, which one of us is a space friend, and which isn't?" so u know, thanks for that.
@IAmTheAce5
@IAmTheAce5 5 лет назад
Wasn’t their a joke about Ferengi battle tactics being something like ‘when in doubt, RUN AWAY!’
@weldonwin
@weldonwin 5 лет назад
I wouldn't underestimate the Ferengi, since they are a technically competent and potentially ruthless opponent. If properly motivated and assured that the potential gains outweigh the risks, they could be formidable, not least because everyone just thinks they are cowards who will break and run at the first hint of trouble
@SantomPh
@SantomPh 5 лет назад
The Ferengi have gone out of their way to kill J'em Hadar without outside help, not even using professional soldiers. They are greedy and squabbling creatures but can fight-plus they have excellent hearing and their 4 lobe brain is impossible to attack telepathically.
@weldonwin
@weldonwin 5 лет назад
@@SantomPh Also, while Ferengi generally don't make for good soldiers, they DO make deadly assassins and can produce some formidable technology (Metaphasic shielding is a Ferengi invention for example)
@firestorm165
@firestorm165 5 лет назад
weldonwin all true, plus no one can do logistics better than the Ferengi
@weldonwin
@weldonwin 5 лет назад
@@firestorm165 They're also devious as hell. What other race create self-propelled seeker bombs, that home in on specific targets by tracking their unique pheromone signature? They're also great at intelligence work, since they can have contacts and agents everywhere
@henrycobb
@henrycobb 4 года назад
One important point is that the four main homeworlds of the Freds are all there in the center and surrounded by a vast bubble of minor colony worlds. The Klinks or Roms would attack these low-value border regions then get stomped by the basically intact but rather annoyed Freds. The Borg invasion was a shock because they had that turncoat Picard to lead them directly to Earth in a cosmic blitzkrieg.
@ilejovcevski79
@ilejovcevski79 5 лет назад
Back in the days of Master Of Orion I and II, i used to play games with a similar mindset as Star Fleet. It wasn't the easiest or the most efficient way to design and build your ships, but it sure was fun and challenging having most of your capital ships being self sufficient all rounders. Refraining from weapons of mass destruction and extremely large platforms (like titans and doom starts) as well.
@deno2649
@deno2649 5 лет назад
MOO1 and especially 2 was and are still fantastic 4x games. Still play MOO2 sometimes and I also semi nerf myself by using themes. The hardest I have tried is mostly missile/torp/fighter/bomber tech.
@ilejovcevski79
@ilejovcevski79 5 лет назад
@@deno2649 i still play both, but MOO1 especially. It has a very high replayability rate IMO, i am yet (after more then 20 years) to have 2 exactly the same games. MOO2 i find much more predictable and easier to both play and win, but this is also what allows me play with themed runs :D
@ZzCanonBull
@ZzCanonBull 5 лет назад
The crazy part is...for its entirety the Federation has basically pulled its punches....they were able to hold off the Klingons, Romulans, and the Kardashians...then the Borg and the Dominion come along and they take off the gloves and put on brass knuckles...a perfect example is when the Doctor from Voyager get transmitted to the Prometheus and Starfleet basically send a Wolfpack consisting of an Akira and 2 Defiant class ships to either bring it back or take it out
@sharpe227
@sharpe227 5 лет назад
I never noticed stuff the first time around ,I watch a clip of that and someone was explaining thats how badass the akira was it would fight the two romulan ship and the two defiants would take on the prometheus.The uss vengence is what section 31 could build in secret,imagine after the dominion war Starfleet would build .
@rembrandtshadows
@rembrandtshadows 5 лет назад
@@sharpe227 Well, no campfires and smores for them!
@francescopremsolidoro3858
@francescopremsolidoro3858 5 лет назад
5:00 ablative armour dealt with that problem from 2374 going on
@jonathonloughridge9191
@jonathonloughridge9191 2 года назад
I feel it important to point out that the Federation’s main strategy is to avoid fighting the war in the first place. They do this through a multi-faceted diplomatic approach that utilizes Starfleet in an exploration role; that exploration may be the single largest thing that helps the Federation avoid conflicts. To give an example: let’s say you’re the leader of a unified planetary government somewhere in the Alpha Quadrant in the 24th century. Your planet just achieved the creation of a warp engine, and are prepared to begin exploration of your local cluster. Suddenly, out of seemingly nowhere, a ship appears in your system going speeds you didn’t think possible, almost as if the ship was operating on a different warp scale as your own fastest vessel; your scanners can barely register what they’re reading, but you’re fairly sure this ship has highly advanced defenses and weapons that could destroy continents. The captain of the ship contacts you, introducing themselves as representatives of the United Federation of Planets, and insisting that they come in peace. This is a jarring realization for most species that make first contact with the Federation in the 24th century. At this point, the Federation is a hyperpower, with technology so far surpassing anything a non-aligned planet could muster. The Federation’s exploration mission for Starfleet is designed to give off this kind of impression; it’s a show-the-flag operation meant to convince non-aligned powers of the benefits of joining the Federation (defense, technology sharing, trade); it also is a latent reminder to near-peer powers of the Federation’s reach, and ultimately of its untapped potential for war making. These non-aligned planets are then indirectly presented with a series of choices. The Federation is a frightening power, but there are other powers in the quadrant these planets will eventually have to deal with as well. Is it better for the planet to align with the Federation now or later? If a planet waits too long, they may find themselves under the sway of less benevolent powers: the Klingons, a warrior culture that conquers those they deem as lessers; the Romulans, a similar warrior culture that imperializes every planet that falls under their sway, stripping it of resources; or maybe the Cardassians, a highly xenophobic dictatorship that has prosecuted brutal campaigns of enslavement and genocide on multiple species. If everything a government does is diplomacy in one way or another, then the Federation’s use of Starfleet is a massively important source of soft power that influences dozens of systems to join the Federation, in turn making the Federation that much stronger in the long run.
@HuntingTarg
@HuntingTarg 2 года назад
Great episode. Good to see someone treating the Federation as a military power in a thoughtful, balanced way and not just saying 'They don't make heavy warships, heavy weapons, invasion armies, or planetkilling/bioterror weapons, they're toast.' Wondering why you didn't use the quip that the Vorta (Weyun?) gives to the presiding founder when the Dominion fleet assaults DS9; "I warned you not to underestimate the Federation's technical skill." Fear of Copyright strike, maybe? (It's an absurd yet real possibility, even for a 5-second excerpt, simply because it aired on primetime and is now available as streaming content).
@VanguardDetonados
@VanguardDetonados 4 года назад
Klingon Academy was the best ST game ever made because of this guy.
@chrisbell7133
@chrisbell7133 5 лет назад
Starfleet briefing- "The Galactic Empire is a police state whose vessels are designed to intimidate civilian populations, not wage a true war. Unlike their Venator class cruisers from their Republic era, note how very few Starfighters are carried, compared to a mobile base that can be deployed for police actions on an Imperial Star Destroyer and relatively few fighters, that have no shields and can be easily dealt with by standard phaser spreads and torpedo bursts. These vessels are designed to cow and punish civilian populations, not hold ground - these Imperials are not soldiers, but *police*. By showing that the Galactic Empire can not be in all places at once, and by using superior moral values, training, innovation and initiative, the Galactic Empire will be shown for what it is - a brittle, hollow shell constructed from this galaxy's Galactic Republic. By working wih our Rebel friends, treating them with respect, and understanding that the typical Imperial captain is a political appointee who is terrified of his superiors, we will make this sham of a government buckle, snap, crack and break. Unlike the Klingon Empire or our prior adversaries, these Imperials are craven cowards who are attempting to govern a restless population. Simply put, gentlemen, they are cowards. They only have one Grand Admiral Thrawn. We have a legion of heroes - you. Our tradition of courage, bravery and compassion will break this Empire's back, like it did the Dominion's. Deep down, fascists and racists are cowards. For the sake of the dead of Alderaan and several other worlds, let's show them what truly brave people can do. However, don't take our opponents for granted. They are as much a threat as the Dominion and the Borg were." Jean Luc Picard's briefing to the assembled Starfleet Admirals on the Galactic Empire.
@MrJay_White
@MrJay_White 4 года назад
fascism is a form of/derivative of marxism. its in the etymology, the italian word "fascio" to mean a collection. and much like that origin, you can see it played out in the federation. the subordination and assimilation of native cultures pruned into compliance, manipulated into becoming a new "fascio" of the federation. i suspect tng picard might have been smart enough to avoid the obvious comparison. you can see this played out in contemporary marxism. in the obsession with identity and vast excuses for how race, gender, sexuality or nationality defines social position and the worth of an individual. in complete opposition to liberal values about "individuals" and their "character".
@3Rayfire
@3Rayfire 4 года назад
@@MrJay_White So what would you call the Empire if not fascist?
@MrJay_White
@MrJay_White 4 года назад
@@3Rayfire im not interested in calling the empire something other than fascist. whatever other twisted crap its got going on isnt likely to remove that label from as least part of how it segregates its population. im just sick of seeing star treks federation (at least mid tng onward) escaping accurate description as fascist, just because some bleary eyed idealist wants it to be something else.
@MrJay_White
@MrJay_White 4 года назад
@@3Rayfire im also sick to death of the treky idiocy of pretending there could be such a thing as an "unarmed starship" when the only difference between an impulse drive and a massive fusion driven plasma beam, is some focusing array apparatus, to direct all the exhaust at a target.
@JAGraptor
@JAGraptor 4 года назад
That is another good point. Despite the Imperial Class I & II being bigger, they are designed to be peacekeepers.
@cipherzero1115
@cipherzero1115 5 лет назад
Don't forget the Ablative armor! :D Starfleet FINALLY starting development of good ole fashioned armor plating during the Dominion War. I hope the Defiant wasn't the only ship with it. Lol
@CaneMcKeyton
@CaneMcKeyton 5 лет назад
Star Fleet favors agility and adaptability over raw firepower. They rarely ever win through a straight up slugfest, rather preferring to outmaneuver and out think their enemies. This reflects in their warships that Star Fleet is actually willing to call warships. They rarely build big, bulky battleships, and even the Sovereign, the closest thing Star Fleet has to a battleship is very lean in comparison to other cruisers and has a degree of agility that makes it more fly and fight like an oversized destroyer.
@WaveForceful
@WaveForceful 5 лет назад
This is because Star Fleet adamantly refers to itself as a humanitarian, peace keeping armada and first and foremost it is an exploratory force. The Federation has no dedicated military when it really should have. Compare it too Halo's UNSC. The UNSC is a military, exploratory and scientific agency but first and foremost, above all else it is a military apparatus, with thousands of dedicated combat vessels. Going back to the Federation, it was shown that if they really wanted to, they certainly could create top trier warships. The upgrades to DS9, The Defiant class and the Prometheus class proved that the Federation can create formidable vessels. The Federation really got a wake up call after the Borg attacked Wolf 359 and the Dominion nearly kicked their doors in. Admiral Marcus of the alternate reality really had the right idea with the Vengeance, they need warships, to defend what they are and who they are.
@smudge4331
@smudge4331 5 лет назад
Very passive in both ideology and mechanically, creating; powerful and regenerative shields, and large ships with unusually high manoeuvrable for their weight/size
@charlesfollette2655
@charlesfollette2655 5 лет назад
A tv series on the general war from starfleet battles timeline would be a welcome change
@samsonguy10k
@samsonguy10k 3 года назад
Not with CBS holding the wand. To Kurtzman's credit, he did pay heed to the war with the Klingons that FASA had written up. So he isn't ignorant of fanmade creations. Frankly, a lot of what I am seeing with current productions is stupid studio interference. It is sad to say the best thing Star Trek has going for it right now is Lower Decks. Picard can easily screw up and stain Patrick Stewart's work big time. (I did enjoy Season One, to an extent. A lot of things could have been done better.)
@bsmnt23
@bsmnt23 5 лет назад
A technique to defeat the standard Shield Phalanx is another of the oldest tactics in the book, first recorded used by Alexander of Macedonia. It's called Defeat in Detail and it's when, in this instance, 2 or 3 Dominion fighters engage the point ship in the Federation formation which have the focused shields of the other ships. The Dominion formation then falls back, drawing in the Federation vessels and possibly breaking their formation. The Attacking Dominion fighters maintain contact with the Nebula. This is not to destroy the point Nebula, but to simply keep it engaged and weaken the shields of its flanking vessels. The remaining Dominion ships converge on one of the remaining vessels to disable or destroy the rest of the fleet one by one.
@rembrandtshadows
@rembrandtshadows 5 лет назад
I'm not sure that would work, as the Federation always kept a strategic reserve, to meet any flanking manuevers. That only works if you have supported heavy cavalry, as it were.
@artificialgravitas8954
@artificialgravitas8954 5 лет назад
That point about Cruisers being heavily armed for exploration vessels reminds me of a comment from the _Culture series,_ questioning the Culture's pacifism, since their GCUs [explorers] are actually more heavily armed than most alien _Dedicated Warships_ they might encounter, the first time we read of one it is tearing apart a militaristic society's Cruiser [Warship] like a breakfast snack
@inventor121
@inventor121 5 лет назад
Exploration ships need to be heavily armed for when you encounter an unexpected asteriod
@artificialgravitas8954
@artificialgravitas8954 5 лет назад
@@inventor121 IRL I can imagine that being so, but in star trek or much more so the culture asteroids are usually a laughable threat
@inventor121
@inventor121 5 лет назад
@@artificialgravitas8954 That's only because they have tractor beams, phasers, and shields
@artificialgravitas8954
@artificialgravitas8954 5 лет назад
@@inventor121 I imagine exploration ships will have weapons, the point of the comment being: do they really need enough to destroy alien (equiv-tech) warships on a regular basis?
@inventor121
@inventor121 5 лет назад
Yes, particularly if said exploration ship is attacked. I mean look at the Oberth Class, that is what you get when you don't arm an exploration ship
@adumbedgyname7158
@adumbedgyname7158 5 лет назад
"....Grand Admiral Thrawn would have a field day with this." Thrawn: *Tries To Fight Federation Starships With Star Destroyers And Other Hopelessly Outmatched Vessels*
@ovni2295
@ovni2295 4 года назад
I'm not sure Star Destroyers would be outmatched. The most common thing people say about Star Destroyers is they don't have shields, but the movies actually reference shields multiple times.
@Juan444tv
@Juan444tv 4 года назад
@@ovni2295 Star Destroyers aren't maneuverable, they're slow and heavy, and their rear is an enormous weak spot. Even a Galaxy class could get to its rear and destroy an ISD very easily. And fighters, though numerous, would be easy picking for a Starfleet vessel.
@ovni2295
@ovni2295 4 года назад
@@Juan444tv True! That is a valid tactic! But I don't like the "no shields" argument most people use.
@trisar2146
@trisar2146 4 года назад
@@ovni2295 My argument is a pretty simple one. Imperial capital-grade weaponry has a fairly limited range in terms of space battles. It varies widely (anywhere from 75 kilometers to, I've read, ten thousand kilometers) for accuracy and effect. In Star Trek: The Next Generation, we're told about a tactical maneuver from Picard's heyday aboard Stargazer, wherein he engaged a Ferengi vessel and exchanged fire. In order to fool the Ferengi ship, which was limited to light-speed sensors at the time, Picard ordered an incredibly brief warp jump, moving an infinitesimally (in terms of SPACE) small distance faster than light, creating a brief mirage effect of appearing in two places at once. This enabled Picard to then safely fire his weapons and disable the Ferengi vessel, and became known as "the Picard Maneuver." Now, the thing is, even the maximum range I've read for Star Wars's weapons of ten thousand kilometers is practically knife range in terms of space battles. It's 384,000 kilometers (roughly) from Earth to Luna. But the Picard Maneuver relies on an intervening distance of several light-seconds between the ship initiating it and their target. Anything less than, say, four seconds and your target's sensors have reset before your computer has reacquired them from your micro-warp jump. Four light-seconds is, incidentally, 1,199,000 kilometers, nearly three times the distance from Earth to Luna and a hundred times greater than even the highest number I've seen for a star destroyer's maximum effective range. And, being honest, if you're engaging a target at maximum range, it's generous to say you'd be missing half your shots anyway. Meanwhile, Starfleet vesses of at least the mid-24th century can engage at over a million kilometers away. Frankly, Starfleet could pound an Imperial fleet with weapons and the Empire wouldn't even be able to see them, never mind shoot back. As to the shielding, I want to point out that Star Trek has just generic "deflector shields," which will block anything and everything until overwhelmed. Meanwhile, in Star Wars, shields come in one of two flavors--"ray" shielding and "particle" shielding respectively, and if you take one of those out, the ship becomes suddenly very vulnerable to that type of weapon.
@spartan078ben
@spartan078ben 4 года назад
Two words...transphasic torpedoes...
@eternallynerds6052
@eternallynerds6052 4 года назад
I love your videos, you always do your research when making your videos it is much appreciated
@Vimanas.8209
@Vimanas.8209 4 года назад
Two words are very important to remember. Ingenuity and Initiative
@MackeyDeez
@MackeyDeez 5 лет назад
The way I see it the Federation war doctrine keep Starfleet contained to only fight within their territory. Basically Starfleet would be only limited to fighting and repelling invading enemy fleets; they'll never be sent on military campaigns outside of Federation territory. This is because the Federation does not conqueror plus fighting only a defensive war leaves the door open to peace talks once an enemy exhausts their fleet of ships trying to conquer them. It wasn't until the arrival of the Dominion into the alpha quadrant that the Federation had to start going on offensives outside of their territory.
@oliverfranke7650
@oliverfranke7650 5 лет назад
Actually they were. During the Dominion War Starfleet operated on Cardassian territory, conquering the Chin'Toka system and defending it. Later on they went out to end the war by fighting the Dominion within their own space, leading to the almost siege of Cardassia Prime.
@arthurfisher1857
@arthurfisher1857 5 лет назад
@@oliverfranke7650 didn't read the OP's entire post, huh?
@oliverfranke7650
@oliverfranke7650 5 лет назад
@@arthurfisher1857 I did. ;)
@Cailus3542
@Cailus3542 5 лет назад
Chad Mackendeez In Star Trek VI, Starfleet proposed sending a fleet of starships to invade Klingon space to rescue Kirk and McCoy. This wasn’t perceived as being shocking or outrageous, so I rather doubt that Starfleet is limited in that regard. Practically speaking, a purely defensive stance is incredibly stupid and not feasible at all. The Federation would have fallen already.
@MackeyDeez
@MackeyDeez 5 лет назад
@@Cailus3542I respectfully disagree because Starfleet vessels although, they do have offensive capabilities were never intended to be birds of prey or battle cruisers. A defensive war doctrine is feasible for non militaristic coalition of worlds; who are only dedicated to exploration and scientific knowledge. Being an Imperial power would only invite challenge from other hostile races. As for the events in Star Trek VI let's not forget that it was a conspiracy between Starfleet admirals and Klingon generals to start a war between the Federation and the Klingon empire. Captain Kirk foiled that false flag by surrendering instead of engaging the Klingons in a fire fight. The proposal to send Starfleet into Klingon space was another attempt to start a with the empire.
@SirAroace
@SirAroace 5 лет назад
I find it funny be criticize Federation Doctrine when it basically a modernized version if the early US Militia Doctrine mixed with one of the best R&D systems ever seen.
@firebird6522
@firebird6522 4 года назад
Thanks for explaining how photon torpedoes are for destruction only whereas phasers can be fine-tuned to be utilized as weapons or tools.
@joseSanchez-ej2oh
@joseSanchez-ej2oh 5 лет назад
As soon as he mentioned the shield projectors i thought of Eve online That tactic in eve can be incredibly annoying and if you dont deal with it correctly, you may not even destroy a single enemy ship
@Groza_Dallocort
@Groza_Dallocort 4 года назад
If the ship thats being targered broadcast for reps fast enough otherwise it will explode
@freezetasticvoyage19
@freezetasticvoyage19 5 лет назад
Chang and Thrawn would really hit it off over the Federation.
@artembentsionov
@artembentsionov 5 лет назад
Well Chang does have appreciation for human art, Shakespeare in particular
@weldonwin
@weldonwin 5 лет назад
@@artembentsionov Albeit, Chang claims that Shakespear was a Klingon, that said, I tend to take this as Chang just trying to trash-talk Kirk. Afterall, while it is possible that an ancient Klingon could have come to Earth in the Tudor period, why then wouldn't they take the opportunity to conquer the planet?
@francescopremsolidoro3858
@francescopremsolidoro3858 5 лет назад
Thrawn wouldn' t, not eoth SW tech... give him some Trek ships, tho, and he will cick ass
@artembentsionov
@artembentsionov 5 лет назад
weldonwin nope, Klingons only got warp drive in the 1940s, according to Quark
@mbogucki1
@mbogucki1 5 лет назад
Federation/Starfleet = Jack of All Trades. That pretty much sums them up.
@princecharon
@princecharon 5 лет назад
'Jack of All Trades, master of none, but oftentimes better, than a master of one.'
@rembrandtshadows
@rembrandtshadows 5 лет назад
@@princecharon hey! I was going to say that! A day late and a pound short . . .
@noppornwongrassamee8941
@noppornwongrassamee8941 4 года назад
@@princecharon Yeah, because there's so much crap in the Trek verse is that the "master of one" will inevitably get caught up in a scenario outside their specialization (god like aliens, negative space wedgie, etc etc). A dedicated warship that's good at killing other ships and nothing else is pretty useless in disaster relief after all... and is also pretty useless against that giant space flea that can laugh off its firepower except for the one weak spot that the warship can't find due to its crappy science training and sensors.
@Doublebarreledsimian
@Doublebarreledsimian 4 года назад
The shield enhancement tactic mentioned @6:49 is a standard tactic by a race encountered by Voyager. They're called the Hazari, a race who specializes in "bounty hunting" were hired and seen in an episode named after their employers called Think Tank.
@timothyhiggins8934
@timothyhiggins8934 5 лет назад
You know, it almost sounds like you're talking about the Borg! Great video
@singletona082
@singletona082 5 лет назад
Given the borg is almost a warped mirror of Starfleet? You're not wrong.
@rembrandtshadows
@rembrandtshadows 5 лет назад
Great borb v federation comments above yours.
@bernieeod57
@bernieeod57 4 года назад
I was so taken by the video "Prelude to Axanar" That I took it upon myself to write a spin off novel "Axanar: The Destroyers". When the Starfleet technical manual came out in the 70's, it featured a smaller single nacelle Starship as a Destroyer. Even after serving in the US Navy, I prefer smaller ships with small, tightly knit crews over large capital ships. It was great to see a Single Nacelle Destroyer featured but was disappointed to see that all it could do was "Die well". And so, I took it upon myself to write a novel about how this class of ship needed to find a place in this war. Some concepts addressed in my novel: 1) The main character opens the history books and re learns how to use Destroyers. 2) With the D-6 Battle Cruiser making short work of even the Heaviest capital ships, the hero "Up guns" Some of the ships in his squadron with Andorian . He was able to pull this off by "Testing" Andorian phasers for the then secret Ares warship program. This is how the Andorians convinces Starfleet that their phasers are every bit as good as the ones the Vulcans refuse to provide. 3) He adopts the "Triad formation" Of the Klingons. In order to compensate for the Destroyers low shield power, he opens the history books and dusts off another 20th century fighting tactic, The Thatch Weave where the ships maneuver in scissor pattern. As the lead ships takes a hit, it falls to the rear of the formation to re charge its shields. Another advantage is that while weaving and crossing paths, the Klingons cannot get a weapons lock on any single ship. 4) With the Ares Class entering full scale production, the supply of Andorian phasers slows to a trickle. While the 20th century US Navy's cancelled MCLWG project (A lightweight 8" gun for Destroyers) Inspired his up gunning program, the WW2 M-4 "EZ-8" , an up gunned Sherman Tank inspired him how to use his up gunned ships. One up gunned ship per triad. 5) As the Ares Class assumes the duty of engaging enemy ships, the Destroyers find themselves transitioning from holding the line against the D-6 to assuming traditional Destroyer duties. Once again the lessons of history repeat themselves. In WW2, the up gunned EZ-8 Sherman's were needed to counter the enemy's heavy tanks but were lacking in traditional infantry support where the conventional Sherman's were superior. Likewise, the up gunned Destroyers were useful for keeping the D4,5, and 6's at bay but the regular Destroyers proved better at supporting Marines on the surface and guarding against the smaller Bird of Prey and Raptors.
@Big_Black_Dick
@Big_Black_Dick 5 лет назад
the azari in voyager the think tank episode, the azari use shield projection tactics to reinforce the attacking lead ship’s shields, but i thought i heard a nod to that episode cause u said “star fleet is a think tank of innovative solutions” lol
@jhmcd2
@jhmcd2 5 лет назад
This is why I don't think the Galactic Empire could ever really take on the Federation. While they have hyperdrive, which is highly limited because areas need to be mapped in advanced, Starfleet is just too highly versatile. And while they are very diverse, they tend to prefer to stay together almost to the point of an extreme addiction to one another. While each individual planet tends to have its own objectives, as a whole, they are highly unified to a T. Ships aren't necessarily built for combat, but they were designed to explore and deal with some powerful natural events, which means they can put up with a lot in combat with little to often no modification. When you don't know what your ships are going to put up with, you tend to make them to put up with everything. Their tactics tend to be the same, and they can change tactics on the fly, often multiple times if necessary. They also keep thinking, even when the battles get bad, they are always thinking. The Empire doesn't do this. They form their strategies in advanced, but do not modify them when situation changes. This is evident in both A New Hope and Jedi. Crews are afraid to voice concern, they stick with strategies till they are dead, and apparently they are willing to stab one another in the back at the turn of a hat. Their ships are also designed specifically for combat, which means they are designed to deal with weapons they know about, not what they don't know about. They aren't adaptable in combat and this has shown repeatedly (the battle of Sharif for example). It should be noted that Starfleet's tactics and though process tends to be very similar to that of the Rebellion. They tend to have smaller vessels, but they are fast, maneuverable but the crews know how to handle them and aren't afraid to take risk. They are willing to take greater risk and can change tactics on the fly when necessary. That's why I don't believe that the Empire could ever take on the Federation. Its actually well funded. The Federation has even shown the ability to take Hyperdrive like technologies and use them on the fly, without needing detailed maps of space (even though they can produce those on the fly too). Its my assumption that by the time of the Picard series, trans warp and or Quantum Slip stream should be in use by the Federation.
@rembrandtshadows
@rembrandtshadows 5 лет назад
Interesting surmise and critique! Thank you!
@BGRANT777X
@BGRANT777X 5 лет назад
The Empire vs anything is thrown off by their size but then that fact is also messed up by the fact that despite their size of 25,000 ISDs alone they were defeated by a handful of rebels.
@Aleksandrgrc
@Aleksandrgrc 5 лет назад
Every good federation captain has learned to mask their signature by anything in space. In big engagements against equals their strength is pure guile.
@Aleksandrgrc
@Aleksandrgrc 5 лет назад
It comes down to speed. Without transwarp empire wins because of speed. Space magic aside.
@sharpe227
@sharpe227 5 лет назад
Federation wins by you know transporting torpedos into the engines of its enemies
@bezerker66691
@bezerker66691 5 лет назад
Amazing video my friend, your channel is quickly becoming a favorite of mine.
@supsup335
@supsup335 5 лет назад
Babylon 5 Doctrines please
@danielpucher3367
@danielpucher3367 5 лет назад
^THIS
@theuniversedoesntcare
@theuniversedoesntcare 4 года назад
Yas!
@tbeller80
@tbeller80 4 года назад
Early Starfleet weakness that took them a long time to overcome - limited fleet experience. Most ships acted as individuals and came together only in emergencies. The other major powers appeared to operate in pairs or trios quite often. Starfleet got away with this for as long as they did because qualitatively they're better than the Klingons or Cardassians. Since they're never looking to conquer, they don't fight in groups and pile on. Cardassia was in economic ruin after what the Federation called a "border war." It's almost insulting to think of the advantages Starfleet had and chose not to use.
@ikeknight-r7001
@ikeknight-r7001 4 года назад
Excellent, very good tactical summary and analysis!
@brooklyn560
@brooklyn560 5 лет назад
IDC what anyone says Undiscovered country was my favorite trek movie
@s.31.l50
@s.31.l50 5 лет назад
My joint second favorite along with First contact
@kyrozudesoya1829
@kyrozudesoya1829 5 лет назад
Hell yeah!
@TheOneZytel
@TheOneZytel 5 лет назад
Mine too.
@stevefelten1197
@stevefelten1197 5 лет назад
First Contact rocked, but Wrath of Kahn is my favorite classic ST movie..
@Cailus3542
@Cailus3542 5 лет назад
brooklyn560 Well, most people agree with you.
@MrRavenBlackwing
@MrRavenBlackwing 5 лет назад
The Defiant? You mean Benjamin Sisko's Pimp Hand? (WE also need a video about a Borg invasion of New Eden...)
@danielpucher3367
@danielpucher3367 5 лет назад
*mutha fukin' Sisko's
@thewinner7382
@thewinner7382 5 лет назад
Racist
@rembrandtshadows
@rembrandtshadows 5 лет назад
@@danielpucher3367 AWWWWDUH! ORDUH! The Right Honorable Gentleman will retract the words beginning with m and ending in n. He may, at the Chair's, discretion, accept flying flamingos . . . . OK, its a Bercow thing. :P
@rembrandtshadows
@rembrandtshadows 5 лет назад
@@thewinner7382 Peeps just need to relax more. And maybe a moderator for comments.
@ruvenjunge4403
@ruvenjunge4403 4 года назад
Starfleet's adaption to Star Destroyes: Attack them from below or behind.
3 года назад
Or just run circles around them. At sublight speeds, a Starfleet capital ship is faster than a Star Wars fighter. I don't think an SD's turbolasers could track the ship effectively. The best they could do is bracket it but that's inefficient. The Empire rarely uses guided missiles whereas Starfleet loves their torpedoes, so once the Starfleet ship picks a point on the SD where the shield is weak, they can focus their fire with impunity (including their torpedoes when that spot is not covered by the firing arcs of the phasers). And that is, if the Starfleet ship is something larger like a Galaxy or a Sovereign. If it's a Defiant, they can likely punch through the shields in a single attack run and let a pair of quantum torpedoes finish the job. (Then there's the Picard maneuver. Hyperspace is faster but warp is more flexible. From the Imperials' perspective the Starfleet ship would be basically teleporting around the battlefield, even if the TIEs were a threat (they probably aren't), the Starfleet ship could just do a millisecond warp jump and the fighters would have to catch up again.)
@Quadrolithium
@Quadrolithium Год назад
@ how about the good old: teleport torpedo to core. Parry this you filthy Sith. Who cares where that SD is going to, it's going down, that's for sure. Not to mention the bullshit Fed are able to pull off in STO after making a truce with almost everyone, which also everyone benefited. Tie Fighter, meet Black Hole.
@ryank5424
@ryank5424 3 года назад
Something ol' general Chang does not seem to realize: few things unify better than a common enemy.
@jinsetayinsei4146
@jinsetayinsei4146 5 лет назад
Awesome stuff. Spot on. The Federation's flaws actually turn out to be a trap. While it's dispersed wealth and massive size make it a tempting target, it is these very weaknesses that give the Federation time to employ their strengths. The Russian theater in WW2 is a prime example. Scorched Earth policy, long distance, harsh weather, and mud played just as important a role as the armies that did the fighting. And just like the Federation, information warfare often turned the tide in conflict. The Federation's biggest flaw is it's political system. This is compensated for by strong leadership in Starfleet. Admirals and more importantly captains can tell authorities what they can do with themselves if they find a decision unacceptable and are willing to risk their own careers for the sake of the greater good. Without this somewhat questionable relationship, poor decision making could be passed down from the upper levels and quickly doom the Federation. I really wish I could discuss the Dominion, because they really were a prime contender to take the Federation out, arguably more so than the Borg, but there's no Dominion fleet doctrine vid yet :( Being familiar with Thrawn's tactics, I would say his resourcefulness would be his greatest strength against the Federation. If he was up against 24th century Federation, he could probably find a way to divide their union. Against the 22nd, he probably focus on cultures and tactics of the founding worlds and pick them apart.
@rembrandtshadows
@rembrandtshadows 5 лет назад
I think, in the end, the Empire would lose, although they could inflict enormous harm on the Federation. They would need to team up with at least the Romulans. I am not so sure the Klingons would sign up with the Empire.
@jinsetayinsei4146
@jinsetayinsei4146 5 лет назад
@@rembrandtshadows It would depend on what cards are in Thrawn's hands. If his forces could match the entire Federation pound for pound, I'd put my money on him, though it might be a close call.
@mb2000
@mb2000 5 лет назад
The new Norway-class was at the Battle of Sector 001 too. Shame it got its mesh destroyed during the fight so it couldn’t join in during the Dominion War though...
@Palpatine001
@Palpatine001 5 лет назад
1:10 Didnt Eddington basically say that to Sisko of the Federation: you know what the difference is between the Borg and the Federation? None both try and assimilate you it is just that the Borg tell you first.
@Groza_Dallocort
@Groza_Dallocort 4 года назад
Well the federation still allow you to keep your free will among other things
@spartan078ben
@spartan078ben Год назад
I think Thrawn might just be stumped with the Federation. He can study the different species all he wants but they all use each other's tactics. So he thinks he's facing an Andorian but is really a Vulcan.
@barrybend7189
@barrybend7189 5 лет назад
Zentradi fleet tactics from SDF Macross. Lets see how Thrawn deals with Bretai.
@barrybend7189
@barrybend7189 5 лет назад
@R Mcdud well Bretai is Thrawn levels of tactical insight.
@grand-dadmiral
@grand-dadmiral 5 лет назад
@R Mcdud Size matters not. Just him by his size do you? Hmm?
@barrybend7189
@barrybend7189 5 лет назад
@R Mcdud 4.8 million for the combined Bodol Zer fleet. Plus one 1400 kilometer tall mobile fortress.
@barrybend7189
@barrybend7189 5 лет назад
@R Mcdud I just added a few key details.
@barrybend7189
@barrybend7189 5 лет назад
@R Mcdud well even later UN Spacey fleets are in hundreds per world.
@cafearga
@cafearga 5 лет назад
innovate and adapt to win the day. No wonder we like StarFleet Vs The Borg.
@GamerX-lc9ht
@GamerX-lc9ht 5 лет назад
I bet whats next Dominion combat doctrine I can't wait
@MrChupacabra555
@MrChupacabra555 5 лет назад
1:04 : Isn't this bit from some game, with "Full Motion Video" (what they used back in the days before CGI ^_^)? I'm surprised that Christopher Plummer did something like this, that seems so 'beneath' him, for his level of stardom (in my opinion).
@aibohphobe
@aibohphobe 5 лет назад
Ya, it's from Klingon Academy. I remember seeing his interviews around the making of ST6 and I think he just had a great time hamming it up playing Chang and reciting Shakespeare as an alien. He got paid and had a bit of fun.
@AvoozlPlays
@AvoozlPlays 5 лет назад
I liked the voice actor they had for Thrawn in Empire at War: Forces of Corruption.
@NoBudjetFilms
@NoBudjetFilms 5 лет назад
Would love to see videos on Dominion and Cardassian strategies. Your videos are very interesting and informative. Unsure if Delta Quadrant factions would make for a good strategy video. Borg seem pretty simplistic, "send in one giant ship to trash an entire fleet".
@lokitus
@lokitus 5 лет назад
Good to see Klingon Academy included.
@pepperVenge
@pepperVenge 5 лет назад
@Resurrected Starships: I love this video, and all your other video's I've seen, and I hope to see many more, but I have to argue against your claim that Starfleet created several new ships in response to the Borg threat. In canon, only 2 ship designs were ever said to have been made for this purpose; the Defiant, and the Sovereign. No one and nothing I have ever encountered has ever said that the Akira, Steamrunner, Norway, or Saber class ships were developed as a result of the Borg threat. Further, I can prove that the ships listed above were not developed in response to the Borg threat, but were in fact older designs. I will cite the Production team on Star Trek First Contact; they believed that Starfleet would send everything they had after the Borg Cube in that battle, so we would likely see Starfleet ships we've never seen before, hence why we see these newer ships, but in canon, they were not new, and were not developed in response to the Borg threat. Also, If you look at the registry numbers of these ships, they are in the 50,000's and 60,000's. Not in the 70,000's that the newer ships of the TNG era display (e.i. Voyager 74656, Defiant 74205, Sovereign 73811). This observation suggests that the Akira (Thunderchild 63549), Steamrunner (Appalachia 52136), Norway (Budapest 64923), and Saber (Yeager 61947) class have been around for a while.
@tbeller80
@tbeller80 4 года назад
I don't play the games or read Star Trek EU materials, but I always assumed those new classes were put into production once the Dominion threat became serious.
@pepperVenge
@pepperVenge 4 года назад
@mandellorian Those are good points. But I would say that the Melbourne was not an Excelsior class. It was a Nebula Class, and was Built as such for the TNG Episode Best of Both Worlds Part II. You can see it in the wreakage at Wolf 359. It was a Kitbash model. It had a Galaxy Class Saucer with two Small Nacelles sitting on top. You can even See its model sitting on Rikers Desk in the Enterprise D Ready Room in Season 7 when in an alternate timeline he is captain. memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Melbourne_(Nebula_class) Galaxy being 70637 in 2357 with Phoenix being 65420 in 2363 is only 6 years apart, so it can't be argued that there was a lot of time between them. Additionally, the Hull Numbers could have just been planned differently. This happens in the US Navy a lot; CV-50 to CV-57 were Cancelled, but they never reassigned the numbers. For that reason CV-58 was launched not too long after CV-49. Understanding that, One can logically conclude that Starfleet planned the Nebula Class first, assigned the Registry Numbers, then Planned the Galaxy Class after, but went ahead and Developed the Galaxy Class first.
@Taneth
@Taneth 5 лет назад
I don't think I've ever seen anyone going really in-depth with phaser strips, it seems to be a uniquely Federation design.
@yanickmonet5200
@yanickmonet5200 5 лет назад
I maintain that the Odyssey is the proof to the contrary .... With useless shields, the ship held up pretty well against 3 Dominion attack ships AND was even pulling away from the battlefield until the useless ramming attack by the Jem'Hadar ! No doubt the ship would have made it home ... Damaged, but home nonetheless !
@Idazmi7
@Idazmi7 5 лет назад
4:51 - "not heavily armored", he says. Meanwhile, the ship is clearly tanking multiple antimatter weapons to the bare hull, staying in one piece. 6:21 - The Constitution Class from 100 years before the Galaxy Class could extend it's shields. We see this in "Mudd's Women"
@resurrectedstarships
@resurrectedstarships 5 лет назад
I thought it was one of the most badly portrayed battles, the beginning of an era of starfleet hull tanking that contradicts most of what we'd seen up to that point, hit after hit, after hit, after hit, after hit lol, more to drum up emotional drama than to inspire tactical intrigue. DS9 had some Okay battles (not like before), but we see this dumbing down of space battles throughout Voyager, Enterprise, and Discovery unfortunately. But hey, visually its cool I suppose.
@Idazmi7
@Idazmi7 5 лет назад
@@resurrectedstarships Going by what we saw in TNG, the Odyssey would have atomized the Dominion attack ships: a combined phaser and torpedo barrage like the Enterprise-D used against the Borg would have destroyed those ships immediately. That, and the Enterprise-D is actually singularly squishy without it's shields compared to even the Constitution class throughout TNG. I'd say DS9 and the movies rectified an error.
@nmarcel
@nmarcel 4 года назад
I think that any sufficiently advanced AI could master the tactics and win 3D (or 4D if considering time travel) battles, as long as it has more computational resources than the adversary. Militarized civilizations could been developing their own "Alpha Go" for war since eons. No life beign (like the "Ender" wonder boy) could win a game of complexity against AIs, despite what writers want us to believe.
@jamesevans886
@jamesevans886 4 года назад
What surprises me it that the franchise did not make more use of the somewhat modular designs of their starships. Many designs are very similar and make use of similar engines. Many of these designs should have docking clamps for the primary and secondary hulls. If this were the case you could have a secondary hulls that is specialised is exploration, another for medical or research, and of course a secondary hulls that is specialised for war. The war secondary hulls would be perhaps the largest of the secondary hulls. This would allow Star Fleet to quickly reconfigure to what is needed and replacement hulls are quickly manufactured. It would be more economical for the Federation to maintain their fleet. I believe that the battleship class would be more unique as they carry the pride of the fleet and must be ships of their time answering the call of duty.
@ryanarment5393
@ryanarment5393 3 года назад
The federation though was stagnant in a lot of ways. They were complacent, and built their fleets using ship designs that were obsolete. They were slow to deploy more advanced designs, and rejected the notion that they could be peacekeepers as well as scientists and explorers.
@StarWarrior91
@StarWarrior91 5 лет назад
“What would Thrawn think of the Federation?” You have my attention 🤓
@Iluvantir
@Iluvantir 9 месяцев назад
Starfleet's and the Federation's philosophy can be boiled down to a very old saying: "Walk softly, but carry a large stick."
@pimpinaintdeadho
@pimpinaintdeadho 5 лет назад
First time I've seen your content. 👍 I'll check out your channel.
@rembrandtshadows
@rembrandtshadows 5 лет назад
me too . . . .community is nice too!
@explosivemodesonicmauricet1597
@explosivemodesonicmauricet1597 3 года назад
Unexpected surprise for Thrawn's appearance in this video,but welcomed nonetheless.
@krwiles
@krwiles 4 года назад
The borg are such an excellent mirror for the federation
@Groza_Dallocort
@Groza_Dallocort 4 года назад
Except the federation ask you and you get to keep your free will
@karlinachen6325
@karlinachen6325 4 года назад
There is a bit incorrect statement on 5:45, as fed ship could be easily refitted for combat. Those are applied for nebula, but not for galaxy. In galaxy's case they'r said for being too complicated to be refitted even for type xii phasers. But in the future? yes. The galaxy itself didn't required refit for combat as the ship itself were already designed as front line combatant from scratch. Rather than refitted, she instead having her civilian module compartment deliberately absent on later commissioned galaxy class during dominion war, since they'r not needed. During war, she, along with nebula took the role of battleship/tank, which its role is to take most of the punishment of the advancing enemy units. By the way thanks for great video analysis.
@ruvenjunge4403
@ruvenjunge4403 4 года назад
Ain't it standard that every ship dies quickly in Star Trek once the shields are down? To me this is no unique weakness of Fed's ships.
@Vanessaira-Retro
@Vanessaira-Retro 4 года назад
Giving you a thumbs up for showing Klingon Academy.
@shagwellington
@shagwellington 5 лет назад
Great video. Thanks
@tfcabral
@tfcabral 2 года назад
Nice analysis!
@johnn9977
@johnn9977 5 лет назад
Wow that was really good.
@danmorgan3685
@danmorgan3685 5 лет назад
One serious flaw I've noticed with Starfleet is they have one real approach to a problems. Everything is a technical problem to be solved by various, highly skilled, experts. A problem is identified, analyzized by appropriate specialists and a novel technological solution is found. This often does work but in a fast, dynamic combat environment they'll get their heads kicked in. Kirk was a very good tactician but that talent seemed to be atypical for Starfleet officers. By the time of Next Generation war was another technical problem. Hell, Riker considered military exercises to be of such little importance he didn't even want to participate in a war game. When they were ambushed suddenly by the Ferengi they used a novel technical solution to get out of trouble. It worked but seriously Starfleet's flag ship was almost destroyed by the Ferengi. Who the hell loses a fight to fucking Ferengi?
@Idazmi7
@Idazmi7 5 лет назад
_"Kirk was a very good tactician but that talent seemed to be atypical for Starfleet officers."_ On the contrast: Admiral Nechayev, Admiral Nogura, Vice Admiral Leyton, Captain Jellico, Captain Maxwell, Captain Sisko, Captain Janeway, and even Captain Archer demonstrate tactical and strategic savvy. Picard and his crew are the outliers, and that's demonstrated *_every single time_* anyone not from their crew evaluates them. Picard actually uncovered the operation to build a Federation Phase Cloak and - against his standing orders - used it to diplomatically embarrass his own people instead of defending them, because he's the worst captain in Star Trek. Nechayev even told Picard: _"Your duty is to protect Federation citizens - not grapple with your conscience."_ Realistically, he'd have been discharged.
@vp21ct
@vp21ct 5 лет назад
"When all you have is a hammer." Starfleet engineers are the best in the galaxy. It's small wonder every problem looks like a technical problem, when they have engineers that can "turn rocks into replicators."
@tbeller80
@tbeller80 4 года назад
@@Idazmi7 Agree with all except Picard's reaction to the phase cloak. That device was built in violation of a Federation treaty. Pressman was giving him illegal orders. Exposing the experiment was embarrassing to Starfleet, but Picard knew the Admiralty would throw Pressman under the bus for getting caught.
@Idazmi7
@Idazmi7 4 года назад
@@tbeller80 That treaty was already broken long before by the Romulans. In addition, the Romulans _also_ broke the Neutral Zone Treaty in an attempt to commit genocide on the Vulcan people, as well as to send spies into Federation space. The Phase Cloak would have given the Federation the edge they would need in a war, and the Romulans were gunning for war. It would have also helped in defeating the Borg and the Dominion. Imagine the Defiant with a Phase Cloak.
@tbeller80
@tbeller80 4 года назад
@@Idazmi7 I'm not saying the Romulans are trustworthy or innocent, but breaking a treaty is the Federation President's call, not a handful of Starfleet officers working under the table.
@jeffhallam2004
@jeffhallam2004 4 года назад
Great video!
@VVeremoose
@VVeremoose Год назад
You have a timeline issue here. The TOS ships were warships. You're right about TNG until late DS9, but Chang gave his speech before that golden age
@timhinchcliffe2806
@timhinchcliffe2806 4 года назад
Thank you for applying Eve Online to Star Trek. I am an Eve player as well.
@theoriginalonion7545
@theoriginalonion7545 4 года назад
I love the nebula class
@steelgreyed
@steelgreyed 5 лет назад
So in other words, the Federation is a friendlier Borg collective that allows other species to go on their way if they decline being assimilated, but otherwise do the same thing.
@aiosquadron
@aiosquadron 2 года назад
And allow freedom of choice and speech. That's the important part.
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