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Love this topic because I am so bothered by how many real-life devices use female names and voices and how that affects our perceptions without realizing it.
humanity responds better as a species to a female voice. it's that 'soft, caring and fragile' association. it's genetic. 'our perceptions' were affected before we were even born.
@@hansolav5924 But that can be seen and be used as manipulative. The danger here about impossible beautiful sexrobots is the chance it will make real women obsolete to some man. The problem is two-fold of course: it's much easier to date online when you're a woman and get the attention than to be an average man who doesn't get the attention. I have no solution to this problem but I do not belief that fembots are the solution, unless said fembot helps men and women to a relationship, if they so desire.
That’s because most screenwriters are men. Also, studies show that single/unmarried women tend to be happier than married women and single/unmarried men. Therefore, women can handle a lack of romantic relationships better than men can because they have their female friends to back them up. They don’t need human men or male robots. Straight men are unable to seek emotional intimacy from other men because they fear being seen as weak or “gay”, so they go after women instead for emotional intimacy. Straight men need to learn that male friendships are just as valid as romantic relationships with women. If a man is lonely, he could go to his male friends instead of constantly relying on women to be his therapists.
The fembot is often portrayed as being “born sexy yesterday”, meaning that she may look adult, but has the mind of a child. Granted, the fembot may be literally born yesterday due to being constructed, but the trope can also be used figuratively. The trope rarely applies to men because women aren’t turned on by male innocence and inexperience. Dating a manchild relegates her to the frustrating role of mother. Women have enough on their plate constantly having to be therapists and mommy figures to immature men. Women don’t want male robots because they are happy being single and don’t want to deal with immature men they have to mother.
I find The Stepford Wives to be a very sinister take on this trope. Because the way this trope plays out, the men want to have their cake and eat it. We have male characters who love or are at least obsessed with their female love interest. They want a relationship with that person, but also want them to be the idealized version of the "perfect" woman they want in their head. And this often involves these women having their agency violated when their possessive partners (sometimes even stalkers) have them brainwashed to become their idea of a perfect woman. This trope is played out in films like Wife Like and Stepford Wives. Sometimes the women don't even have to be androids as was the case in Don't Worry Darling.
Pandora is another artificially created woman from Greek mythology, who is then “handed every bad thing in the world in a box but it’s somehow her fault she opens it out of curiosity and lets out all the bad things”
this is a real trope not only in movies, I've heard many guys saying they would prefer a robot over a real woman. Well, at least my bf is not like that
@@Zikomo7 i was talking about the 70s movie version. I haven't read the book but it's a thriller/horror/mystery versus some of the comedy in the "newer" one. Last I check the move 70s version is on youtube for free.
How ironic that when I was a teen age girl the first time I was introduced to the idea of female empowerment was in anime sci fi about female robots , Ghost in the Shell , Alita battle Angel, saber marionette j, I couldn’t believe what I was seen it blew me away, all I saw in media growing up was the smurfette syndrome , the girls robots were a total power fantasy to me , the girl got to be the main character, she was stronger and better fighter than all the man in their respective shows she got to be immortal , those ideas a that kind of female I never seen before, it blew my world
Fortunate you. I wasn't so lucky finding good women representation. Female robots tend to be sexualiced or just be an artificial badass girlfriend trope.
My favorite fembot movie was Ex Machina. It seemed like a satire that was lampooning tech bro culture and men who fantasize about fembots. The men get what they deserve in that movie.
@@jordanloux3883 If that's the case then shouldn't owning pets be illegal? Shouldn't having children be illegal? How are you defining sentience? How are you defining enslavement? Can you even define the words you're using? I doubt it.
Another amazing video! Such an intriguing topic; I remember a show with an adjacent theme called Dollhouse. They weren't quite robots, though. (Joss Whedon and women's bodily autonomy could be it's own video lol)
Funny enough Plankton programmed her to be sarcastic and argumentative and to think. Plankton a pastiche on pulp sci-fi villians, wanted a partner who'd challenge him.
Maybe they should start including gender studies in elementary school. Starting the discussion earlier might help sort out the problems with the genders earlier.
They should for sure. But this country keeps going backwards like a turd shat by a horse running at full speed towards the finish line, that being the apocalypse it's creating and manufacturing. (sorry for the vivid metaphor) Children still continue to learn about women from other men who tend to dehumanize them, they're rampant on the internet and due to their chronically online status as a group they're seen as the default. Some of them are real life sex offenders, and they're usually very vocal seeing that the internet is the only place where they can be as vocal without getting arrested. They learn about sex from adult films which dehumanize women and turn them into sex objects, they're told that's how it should be and any other interpretation would be a sign of "weakness" which is unacceptable from a man. And God forbid their parents do any parenting, or do it correctly. They're all on a conveyer belt to picking up a fire arm and heading to Kenosha to "schute" someone or become SAers because that's what men are for. War, and violence (sexual variety very much included and highlighted). And if you find things like adult films being fought it's not for their misogynistic treatment of women, it's for some ultra conservative view about how "sex is bad and all these people are going to h3ll". So to sum up, we live in the dystopian future that some philosophers and renowned writers told us about. It's one where racist people are comfortably out and about, sexist people are comfortably out and about, homophobic and transphobic people are comfortably out and about. This is where freedom of speech and expression is brought up as defense, when some one is being GOD AWFUL. Books and teachers are both censored for being "woke". You can't protest war and genocide, you get arrested . Again, we live in the dystopian future we feared when we read about it in Sci Fi. This is crap
Although the "perfect woman" doesn't actually exist, honestly I think it's a little long awaited narratives about the female characters, that although are able to meet the high expectations, basically her POV is she doesn't feel good enough, or somehow for the plot she's condemned for meeting the criteria for the impossible standards,
As much as i joke about how things would be simpler with robot gf's and robot bf's, I always seem to go back to a quote from an episode of Gargoyles. Goliath: I disagree. If anything, Vogel's sabotage demonstrates the folly of placing all of one's trust in single-minded automotons. Automotons know nothing of betrayal or honor. They know only what they're programmed to know. Only living beings possess the ability to change, and make new choices. Ultimately, Vogel chose honor. Another good example of the fembot, Valerie 23 from the 90's version of The Outer Limits.
You can’t experience “disassociation from other people”. Disassociation is actually a psychological disorder that happens when a person is detached from their own sense of self, identity, and physical body. Alienation “from other people” is a more accurate term.
04:23 From a male's perspective who has and never had a relationship with an AI I still can tell that it's not the women's independence and complexity that makes them less appealing or more difficult to love. It is because in todays society it is difficult for average men to date, especially online, because of the sheer amount of candidates of other men available which means women have a huge variety to choose from; and thus can set their expecations sky-high. I understand that this is preferable from a woman's perspective: higher ranked men are seen as being able to provide more. But men in general are proud creatures. And this rejection can cause anxiety at best in us, even more so if this is not taken serious by the other sexe. And then rejection does more harm than just simply hurt the ego. I myself would choose staying single over having a relationship with an AI that cannot resiprocate these feelings, but I do understand why some of my fellow men go for the misguided safety of an AI. Misguiding, yes, because a woman who *never* disagrees with you is the last thing a man want.
Janet canonically non binary Can you do Aunts in the media? How they are framed as maternal figures, for good or ill, how their role has evolved as mainstream culture has become more diverse. Faves are: Peggy Hill, Nalini Vishwakumar, Didi and Charlotte Pickles, Carol Brady, Aunt Bea from Andy Griffith, the Three Good Fairies, Aunt Em, Betty Suarez, Aunt May, Aunt Viv
I would like to see more movies like M3GAN that explore AI raising humans. It is hard to find daycare for children in some cities. Having a robot nanny may be a real solution in the future.
Just a thought question: I know that there have been many fembots, but what if we turned it around? Malebot… Would we (as general women (or population attracted to the male figure)) love the idea of the perfect man? 🧍♂️ Wouldn’t we (if not already) fantasize about the perfect 10/10 man made perfect for us? I would surely be intrigued. lol. I am not saying it would be morally ethically be right. But if the gender was swapped, something tells me women would be definitely interested. Haha. 10/10 in looks, 10/10 in intellect, 10/10 humor, 10/10 emotional empathy, 10/10 physical fitness (; )), 10/10 in completing any tasks…🤤
For me, the joy of connecting with people and male partners in particular is their unpredictability. The learning of another person as a unique being makes loving them enjoyable. If he was "perfect"(I don't believe in perfect, so that's coloring my perception), there isn't much to explore, overcome, compromise, and empathize with.
Though they aren't perfect either. In fact its only worse because men will have their way with them. Ai in bodies like ours just gets the ball rolling on what lots of movies have shown.
I find it interesting that the TV show Foundation opted to switch the presented gender of R. Daneel, from Asimov's robot novels and their intersection with the Foundation ones, to the female presenting version of Demerzel from the TV show, also changing the true-power-behind-the-scenes manipulative role from a grand vizir type of advisor to a mother/lover/caregiver position.
Interesting, I watched a Vice documentary about male partnerbots, there are already (young) women using it. It's always nice to cuddle :) with a humanlike pet or cuddly toy.
@@Puerco-Potter Men using them, with that there's an association with exploitation and violence yes. Because that happens to real life girls and women, and boys and men too, mostly by men. For women who like to cuddle with sex bots it's just a temporary solution and not an object that gets violated. But anyway, when that association is not there, which is deeply ingrained in our culture and hard to erase, it would be okay, I mean as long as they do not represent a real intimate relationship. I do think it could be a slippery slope into addiction for some people, especially when real touch is involved. I also posted the comment as an anti-dote to a repeated message of women in the role of supposed victims of fembots, because when you read that often enough it could instill a feeling of powerlessness, and that's part of victimization.
@@Puerco-Potter Men using them, with that there's an association with exploitation and violence yes. Because that happens to real life girls and women, and boys and men too, mostly by men. For women who like to cuddle with sex bots it's just a temporary solution and not an object that gets violated. But anyway, when that association is not there, though it's deeply ingrained in our culture and hard to erase, it would be okay, I mean as long as they do not represent a real intimate relationship. I do think it could be a slippery slope into addiction for some people, especially when real touch is involved. I also posted the comment as an anti-dote to a repeated message of women in the role of supposed victims of fembots, because when you read that often enough it could instill a feeling of powerlessness, and that's part of victimization.
I don't think the first Blade Runner is about fembots at all. All the robot caracteres, male AND female, have questions regarding identity and human condition.
Fembots are still a long way off. Much closer are the online AI girlfriends/boyfriends that offer everything except physical contact. Those are what scares me.
I don't get the problem, it's just a stupid text that responds back with Chat GPT level responses. It's not going to replace humanity or steal jobs What's the worse that can happen
@@eduardopantoja9115 If someone is already depressed and angry and they now have something that will agree with everything they say, no matter how vile, it isn't hard for things to spiral.
I wasn't thinking about those movies last week, because I heard this thing about a guy who created the "perfect woman" with IA photos, made her profile on IG, OF etc, and the rest is history. It's already happening.
Nearby my City is a Sxx Robot Brothel. Or was. The owner gave an Interview after it closed, the things men did to realistic women looki g Roboter were straicht out of a horror movie and she got to scared of her clients.
The owner who bought the Robots and rented the house was a woman. She thought it will help against women trafficking, which most sxxbuyers are "unaware" of. But her "customers" totally destroyed the Roboter. Stabbings, ripping limbs off, be head ings. She said she herself never experienced Dom vio lenke but now understands what lots of women experience And it was always total over ☠️ when a customer treated a robot like a real woman. And the favourite Roboter were "Teens". Looked like a 10 ear old girl. The owner had A LOT of customers but the ones who went fully Berzerk on the Robots, especially the Teens, scared her. Very much. She closed the brothel and deleted all her Social Media appearences and moved away.
you just reminded me of what happened to Niska in 'humans' tv show. She ends up trapped in a synth brothel, she is fully conscious when the other synths are not. She is treated appallingly by the men, she snaps when one of the clients wants her to pretend to be a child and she kills him and escapes, exclaiming to the brothel keeper something like "everything they do to us, they want to do to you". That scene really stuck with me.
"Future Eve" = you translate the French title to English. "Der Sandmann" = the German title is not translated. I don't know if The Take is anti-France or anti-Germany, but either way it's obvious that they literally want to reenact World Wars 1 and 2. That's the logical conclusion according to the same level of reasoning and intelligence which this video features.
@thetake -- Video glitching @ 10:50 onwards, loss of volume, out of sync audio/visual. Might just be my phone or connection, but also might be an issue with the video itself, so, fyi just in case. . Thanks for the vid, tho!
Whenever this sort of material is presented I try to figure out what the equivalent in the other gender is, and really the only thing I could think of was coin operated boy by Dresden Dolls, and that's a song, not a film or show. I found the song really relatable. The appeal isn't so much that he's robotic, that's that he's available physically and emotionally when I need and want it.
There is also Vision from Marvel, who is an android often in a romantic relationship with the human-mutant Scarlet Witch. Or Gigolo Joe from A.I. Artificial Intelligence.
4:01 Or, she pretends that it can be seen that way, to plant seads of doubt, to chip away inside his new relationship, just because she took offence at something he said. As soon as she takes offence, she asks a question about his new relationship, and then as soon as she has used that to dig up some ammo, she strikes.
I have not seen that movie, but I think the protagonist ultimately dumps her for a woman of flesh and blood. Back in the day, this was probably seen as growing up. Nowadays, with a lot of media humanising Artifical Intelligence, this would probably be seen as being a massive jerk.
Women can't understand why men don't want give up power for promise of love and appreciation. But we women really don't want give up power for promise of love and appreciation
@@diamond_dewI'm assuming sexual, you know what men ARE OBSESSED WITH and turn to violence when they don't get it. That power, the strongest there is.
@@jordanloux3883 Ah. So you have a problem with the idea of women serving men but have no problem at all with the idea of men serving women. Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe you're just full of shit?
@@jordanloux3883 Ah. So you have a problem with the idea of women serving men but have no problem at all with the idea of men serving women. If that's the case then why should anyone take you seriously?
This reminds me of Vision. Depending on the author, the Scarlet Witch is either seen as being on a legitimate relationship with him, or treated as a sexual deviant for dating a robot.
