Ferrari believes F1 may need to change its rules after Max Verstappen’s recent test in a 2022 Red Bull. #f1 #formula1 #formulaone #f12024 #grandprix #f1news #redbull #maxverstappen #ferrari
1. They are also allowed it, why are they complaining 2. Ferrari has their own fucking test track right next to their factory 3. When Pirelli tests their prototype compounds for next season it always seems to be Ferrari that tests them 4. They even tested the spray guards idea just 2 months ago
1. Yes, they are saying that rules should be changed, not that RedBull did something illegal or something similar. 2. Their track is nowadays basically useless for F1, but even if it was this is not what they are saying. 3. Ferrari is not the only team to test new tires. Basically everyone do tests on new tires, RB did it, Mercedes did it etc. And again it has nothing to do with the issue raised by Ferrari. 4. The spray guard test is obviously useless for in season improvements. The issue here is that tests with the purpose of improving the performance of the actual car should be illegal. So, testing for young drivers should be ok, but tests with actual pilots should be policed differently, since they are breaking the spirit of the rule. Everyone is ok with the limited testing done with the filming days, but testing an older car to obviously improve the actual one should not be allowed.
@@AravindBalaji-u4x as a red bull fan: they don't get hold to another Standard. when horner complained about the new rule changes others basicly said the same. sone people don't realize that f1 is all about politics
@@AravindBalaji-u4xthat’s laughable. We’re literally having a conversation about Ferrari, which is why people are talking about them 🤦♂️🤦♂️ when the other team principals do something, THEN you talk about them. Do you see how it works…?
Theres no problem here. Testing is already controlled tightly enough. In fact with the cost cap now you could argue that they could remove all restrictions and let the teams do whatever they want.
No because it would negate windtunnel time which is regulated to balance teams far ahead i do think red bull should be able to do this but i dont think fully removing restrictions would help it would just lead to more dominance
@@upperjohn117aka but if it's all included in the cost cap then it's still restricted. It just gives teams the flexibility to choose what they want to fund and what would give them the best benefit. The rules were put in before the cost cap to prevent the big teams from running their car for thousands of hours.
@@TMJ32 different teams have different development capabilities so teams that have better existing infrastructure wouldnt be punished while teams who were behind precost cap would still be punished i.e sauber, williams, haas etc they dont have the same facilities as red bull, merc or the other teams
No, he is saying that the tests they're running are fully compliant with the regulations for testing. He just would like to see those regulations slightly tweaked.
apparently it's unfair for everyone bcs not everyone can take advantage of this, loll, he's just upset bcs Ferrari's 2022 car is bad, so they can't make use of the rule
Notice how it’s ALWAYS Ferrari who complains about technical innovations, rule interpretations etc. Case and point the team that has their own test track, exploited multiple loopholes in the rules and still manage to underdeliver smh
Yes ofc it's always Ferrari... I think you need to get your F1 news from more diverse perspectives. Easiest example is 2021 when RB and Mercedes were both constantly complaining about innovations from each other.
@@luukjansen4221 I get what you mean. My statement was rather generalized and all the F1 teams don’t like it when technical innovations make their rivals faster, but Ferrari are the most common perpetrators of complaining. Take 2005 US for example, a lot of proposals that the other 9 teams suggested were all shut down by Ferrari because they wanted a free win.
😂😂😂😂 they had their Schwarzman do their testing in old cars. Well it’s exactly the same test, it’s just Max in the car not Robert. And it’s only the 2yr old car, 2022 car, that is allowed, without any 2023 or 2024 parts on it. It was also, just all teams do, announced to FIA. Remember Doohan testing the OLD ALPINE few weeks back at Zandvoort? Antonelli testing the old Merc? Ferrari with Schwarzman the old Ferrari? All teams do this. THIS IS LEGAL.
Utter BS. Not only is it allowed but with such restricted testing it really should be encouraged .. especially for reserve drivers. Nothing to see here.
I think it’s awesome that, with all the tech these teams have that, the best way to determine improvement(or lack thereof) is a human interaction. A DRIVER. That to me is the best rule in F1. It’s validating human feeling in a simulation/AI-driven world. Weather Max is human or not is another issue entirely.
this is something I hate about F1 where teams complains and try to change the rule to cover the gap between them instead of focusing on themselves and get a championship winning car. Why can't they just do what normal pro teams do and just work hard and innovate
Didn't we even see their car's upgrades for the first time during a test with Pirelli? They literally test upgrades on the CURRENT car when they are meant to be testing tires. But yeah... RBR running a 2 year old car is the problem...
FIA should do a 180° and allow all ICE types and configurations if it meets an emissions standard I'm tired of all this rule restriction BS I just want to see cool new solutions being built so the cars aren't 99% who has the slightly better floor and wing design
Or maybe Ferrari could stick Leclerc in a 22 and give it a spin…. I get it, these guys are there to complain for their own benefit but this one seems like maybe just keep quiet so you can exploit it kinda situation
In moto gp of you don't score a certain amount of points in the previous season you get more tests the next season hopefully allowing the slower bikes to develop and catch up to the faster manufacturers
Does Ferrari really think we don’t know they use their own test track all the time, and not only with old cars. Why did they get to test Pirelli Tyres? Come on Fred?
Na we need a lot more testing from every driver and team. I want to see cars that are dialed in and "raced" rather than manged around a track on Sunday
Ok. I’m saying this as a Ferrari fan. Stop moaning and get on it. You have the 22 car, you have the drivers, the track is right outside? What’s the problem?
There is nothing stopping Ferrari or anyone else using a 2022 car... Oh wait they all built skips back in 2022 so would have nothing to gain... So let's just have a little moan about it instead 🤨
Wether you guys like Fred’s statement or not there is some basis to his thinking, the whole reason for the previous car testing is for young drivers getting some seat time in an F1 car so teams don’t have to minimize Driver 1 & 2s practice on race weekends, and even though Ferrari can also test to enhance performance on todays car they won’t have the same amount of knowledge to gain that RBR does because RBR had the better car by the end of 22’. There is a case to be made on both sides, from a RBR perspective they’ll say Ferrari should’ve spent more time fine tuning the upgrades for that years car so they would have the data to improve now, but from a Ferrari perspective they can say they worked twice as hard in 22’ and couldn’t catch up to RBR and it’s unfair to let them go back and cherry-pick what made the car so good, I’m inclined to side with Fred and I’m a VCARB fan.. for the sake of equality and trying to make the racing as good as possible by bringing teams closer together with their cars performance. I don’t think the far and away dominant team that year should be able to use the sports top driver to find what worked then for extra performance this season, everyone should have to solely focus on upgrading their cars with knowledge and data from this season only, it makes the competition better and closer because they have such small amounts of data to rely on, it’ll also improve the market for aerodynamic engineers and other car specialists because teams will be more willing to hire a fresh set of eyes to improve their car if it’s not performing in a certain area, and it’ll keep teams with top specialists like RBR with Newey from being able to rely on his designs after he’s already gone. Really long comment I’m sorry but I feel pretty strongly about what Fred is saying, So long story short, it’ll keep the top teams from remaining top teams for years and years because they’ll have a limit on what they can implement on their current cars
Independent of Ferrari real reason. I do agree with Vasseur. It is not in the spirit of the sport. And I feel it could open a can if worms nobody wants. A distinction SHOULD be made.
Realistically though, why complain about it when you can do the exact same thing? Given how well Ferrari started 2022 there must be some data they can get from the older car for upgrades or setup changes
I am by no means a Red Bull fan, but really now, why don’t Ferrari do the same? Mercedes? McLaren? If I am any of these teams I would run the hell out of the car the second the FIA allows it
This is a nothing story. Red Bull did a test and was all ship shape and legal. Ferrari have said maybe it'd be better if the testing rules were different for active and reserve/juniors. That's not an attack nor really even concer, that is just someone having an idea.
Ferrari is the only team which is allowed to veto proposals. As long as you have such a special place, you cannot be taken seriously. Furthermore, Ferrari can have Charles and Sainz driver their old cars as well.
'the leading team and driver should not be allowed to breath so often as it makes chasing them harder. Pls police differently the oxygen usage, I've sent you an email'
All this is a problem only when redbull does it. I am a big redbull fan and I hate when everything is fine for others but when it is redbull someone is there crying and complaining like a litter bi***
The test was announced weeks before it happened, Ferrari could've protested then if they think it's not fair but why only now when it was all done? I think they are just trying to make an issue with it.
So Vasseur doesn’t know how to get Ferrari in the up, so he starts bitching and moaning. The rest is allowed, so instead of bitching and moaning, do the same thing.
Ferrari complaining about other teams following the rules or getting some perceived benefit is laughable,, when they have more built in advantages and have had more benefits than any other team…
Lone voice because he’s the only one not doing it. Get bent Fred, everyone has a right to go back to something that worked better, to see what made it work better. Stop taking competition out of competition
Three of those named have driven these cars and although for Ollie it was only one race, it was in the current car. This is a non issue and Ferrari know that.
guys its politics. f1 is all about it. every teamprinciple will complain if its changes would be in thier intrest. fred just does the same as everyone else did in the past and will do in the futur.
😂 Ferrari have let their reservedrivers do that same testing of the old cars….. in this case it’s Max in the car. Ferrari can also put Charles in the 2022 car in test. Antonelli has been testing in Merc, Schumacher has been testing in the Merc, Schwarzman has been testing in Ferrari. They ALL do it. Doohan has been testing the 2022 Alpine car at Zandvoort few weeks af!
