Thank you Peter for the videos you make. I love the way you point out the strengths and weaknesses of the products you use without all of the hyperbole. Keep up the good work.
It's rare these days to not feel of a pure add when a youtuber talk about a product or a company in general. Even with Benchdog products 😉 Thank you Peter 🤩
Even if they can't add a motorised fence into such a small package, I image they could embed the same mechanism digital calipers use, to at least give a readout of current fence position. DRO equivilent for a table saw fence rather than mill / lathe.
Some sort of sensor/detector which can give you 0.1mm read-out accuracy for measurements say 100mm and under would be fantastic. Still, always possible to make a test-cut and then use your digital calipers to get a read-out.
I do a lot of restauration on-site, and repairing woodrot in windowframes and the like. For making small pieces of profile on site this saw is proving wonderful and I am delighted with it. Yes, it is a bit of money, but sure beats the small contractor saws I used to use in many ways. Compact and lighter, well protected in the systainer, quiet, precise, and I do not have to look for an outlet for a couple of cuts. The cuts are very smooth with hardly any saw marks so need little to no planing or sanding. I have ordered the addition for the sled from Benchdog Tools for crosscuts and I agree that the weakest point of the saw is the ripping fence, which is hard to set precisely or move at very small increments. But overall, while I hesitated to invest so much money, I am glad I did and am very pleased with the machine.
Thank you Peter. I'm in retirement and my main past time is woodworking. I've been attracted to this saw since I first read about it. I buy most of my tools from Axminster and they are currently out of stock with this saw which speaks volumes about its demand. I'm on their waiting list to be notifiied when they have their stock replenished and I will certainly be buying one thanks to your reviews.
I'm glad your happy with this saw and it is handy to take out and work on another site . I do agree if it's to a fixture of the workshop ,got to be main's powered ,if you are using it on a regular basis you don't keep on swapping batteries or recharging half way through a project .Thank's for the video and letting us know how your getting on with the saw. Take care
Just watched a video regarding a battery powered DeWalt saw that was used in a workshop using one of their mains adaptors, the issue was it bun’t out 2 motors in quick succession and with that was advised by the dewalt service centre- not to use the mains adaptor as they were causing motor failures.!! Maybe that’s a thing in the electronics world..?? And maybe why festool don’t offer one…..and obviously they’ll sell more of their very reasonably price batteries..😂😂😂
Hi Peter, Purchased this saw after I watched your and Peter Parfitt’s presentations, delighted with it. IT’s precision personified. Keep inspiring us. Regards, Paul
Very interesting saw. I completely agree, Festool would be doing all a favor if they could design a battery lookalike that is a main with a power supply instead of “battery”. They would do well to offer the accessory for other cordless tools that may require long periods of use as well.
I have just purchased the CSC SYS 50 and so far I am very impressed with the saw. It is a replacement for a larger Bosch GTS 10 machine which I found to be too noisy and very cumbersome to set up. I have already made 2 additions to the Festool unit, firstly a cross-cut sled with a repeat cut stop on a rail. The second thing is an addition to the rip fence that allows me to use my Jessem Clear Cut Stock Guides, which are slid in place on a T-slot that I have cut into the wooden face, this ensures that the work piece is held securely against the fence and also prevents kickback. The whole thing sits across the existing rip fence and is held in place using bolts slotted into the top t-slot.
That’s really helpful and reassuring Peter, thanks. It was obvious in your first video that you were a little underwhelmed initially and a bit on the…erm…fence. Great to see what two months’ use has done, obviously some well thought-through views here! Mafell have figured out a micro-adjustment feature on their new Erika fence and yes, it would be nice to have that here, but this is smaller and more affordable (!!), and looks perfect for my very small workplace too.
Thanks for being an early adopter and sharing your honest thoughts on it Peter. looks like a decent saw. I think I can hold out for revision 2 or 3. maybe.
There are some components I want on a table saw. A really frim and very accurate fence with a fine tune scale. 10,4 isn't 10,45 mm. I don't have large building jobs but making very precise cabinets. A small difference can be very annoying. So I know what you mean. I have a very solid old Robland machine but in perfect condition. With a professional build in router which is 40 years old. But it is hard to install any height and in any degrees of cutting and to be precise at the same time. So it is always in the same height and degree state of sawing. Because of that I have bought myself three other saws (no hand saws, because I already using six of them) to get things done properly. Eventually that's not the way but I still can't find another solution. This Festool seemed a in between solution but now I have seen your comments on it, I will never buy one. Hard lesson for Festool. Thanks Peter. 👍
Nice thoughts. Regarding the thin kerf blade and the ts60, my next video will blow your mind when you see what I tested with it. 😊 The 16t ripping blade is LEGIT
Every time I see you use this saw, it makes me want one for my small shop but I haven't got to the point where I can't achieve my goal effectively with my track saw setup. Even if it is some what Unefficient at times. Thank you for the video.
Great review. I fully agree with you on the fence adjustment. It seems like this was an oversight by Festool. It definitely should have a micro adjustment given the fact that the height and angle adjustment are so precise. Other than that though the saw is great!
Wow. The no table saw guy got a “table saw” 😂. Ok, perhaps that’s a cheap shot. Curious how this saw is futuristic in some ways but no micro adjust on the fence. Something I dream of building is a universal micro adjust for a table saw fence. Festool is out of my league but I guess it’s only time before similar features will come up at a lower cost. Thanks for the material as always. Keep smiling.
People getting hung up on the price is a bit ridiculous. It’s a sexy bit of kit and every individual can make whatever choice they want! As you said in one of your early videos ‘you pays ur money, you makes ur choice.’
Glade to hear you like it. Sounds like the wait was worth it. Check with Festool, I remember hearing that they were going to offer a 1.8mm riving knife replacement for the older TS-55 saws. I'm 110v powered and don't need it, yet.
Good to know your linking it. When I set up a shop in the small space of my basement I had an 8" beaver table saw. I ran it on a 7 1/4" circular saw blade and it worked in similar fashion. Lots of things I could do with only a slight limitation on size.
Im thinking of buying one of these but agree it would be a better option to have a power cord as a backup .. I also own a TSC 55K Tracksaw that uses the 5.2 B/ Tooth batterys that you can use with either 18v or 36v . I do agree on the battery draining point that you mentioned for this saw table . I find the main battery to get the tracksaw to operate runs out quicker even if I double up to make it a 36v saw . I did download the Festool App on my phone that allowed me to have updates on my B/ Tooth Batterys and did notice a signifigant difference on the power output .
I'm tempted by one of these especially if I build a mobile work centre for it. The work centre would get me more capacity and I can mount other tool into the top. I'm going to wait and see if enough people complain about a lack of mains cable and that Festool responds. If they do, it's in the shopping cart.
Building sites are going battery only for safety reasons. Tool companies are making tools to reflect this. Sales to this industry are the main driver for product development
Cheers Matthew! Were you on that Gary Banks day trip? i did one of those earlier in the year - after I’d placed my order but before my saw had arrived - and it was a great day, lots to look at. 👍👍
Festool needs to purchase the new start-up/QuickStart - Rip-it automated digital fence system. That with the features here and the SawStop safety will revolutionize table saws…..but I doubt they will put it together.
It's not the kind of site saw that's going to be left out in the rai, that's for sure, but given the intended use - installers in occupied homes - I think it'll be robust enough. 👍
A couple observations. The cost and features aren't the thing holding me back. It's the lack of larger depth of cut you get from a 10" saw. As for the fiddly fence adjustment, Dewalt knob rack/pinion adjust is simply the best. I wouldn't knock the Festool too much for having a fiddly adjustment. Heck the top shelf Biesemeyer fences aren't much different when it comes down to it. Other than the fact there is a handle to move and lock down.
I love the rack-and-pinion on my Dewalt mobile saw - mine is older and has the scale in inches and metric which I find very useful for “fiddly” work (love that term). Would seem simple to have that with a DRO. You wonder why they skimped on that. Perhaps it would make an “expensive” saw *too* expensive? I’m not spending that much for a saw where you have to “nudge” the fence, but would buy it if it cost a few hundred more with a better fence. A Dewalt *saw* with rack-and-pinion is less that $400 and you can get a DRO for $60 from Infinity Tools.
Peter, regarding the batteries not discharging at the same rate: I have recently purchased the US version of this saw. After running into the same problem, I realized the saw firmware had to be updated. This was done through the Festool Work app and since then the problem seems to have gotten much better. If you haven't done that yet you might want to give it a go.
You could always add your own vernier scale to the fence, although it's only really useful for relative changes unless you have a mechanism to calibrate it every time you change the blade.
Table saws no. Sliding table saws yes. Hammer. Felder etc. These Felder products are expensive but there is no contest when it comes to speed. Efficency. Accuracy. Capability for any type of board or solid wood. Safety. And they pay for themselves quickly if you are working every day with them. Ripping work. Cross cut. Bevel. Mitre cuts. Dados. And many other joints.
I honestly don't understand the issue people have with the price of Festool tools. They are made in Germany ,and therefore they're paying their staff a proper living/working wage in a western economy, not some cheap Chinese factory that pays a pittance to its employees. The two festal tools I have, sander and extractor, work flawlessly and have never given ma a days problem. They're backed up with a 3 year warranty and will probably outlast me 😅
I’ve worked in busy workshop environments for most of my career and use o early models of the ts55 and extractors daily. they do last. The only thing that goes on them is the plug it cords as they are weak and designed to break. also use old early extractors that still perform like new. like anything in life if it’s looked after it tends to last. what’s more impressive is the abuse tools get in professional workshops and the longevity of quality tools. I don’t think you can even know festo on quality.
Of all the Festool items I can't afford, I may want this one the most. I WISH it wasn't batteries...that sucks and in all honesty is likely a deal breaker. But other than that, I do love the product for a small at home shop.
Yep, and you’re far from the first person to say that in the comments; I’m sure the ‘battery-only so it works in all countries’ thing has benefits, but it’s absolutely costing them sales. 🤷♂️👍
The TS60 is an incredible tool. I highly recommend. The day they make a corded version of this, I'm ordering one. Until then... I guess I'm going to look at some proxxon tools?
DO NOT LEAVE THE BATTERIES CONNECTED FOR EXTENDED PERIOD. I left them connected to my TSC for 6 weeks and one is now totally dead. Festool quoted £185 for repair. A new battery is £100 😂 Festool is a pleasure to use but by far the least reliable for me 😢
Interesting, thanks. I’ve had batteries attached to eg drills for way longer than that without any issue, but I’ll keep an eye in the ones I use with the saw. 👍
Hey up pete.! Sounds like the perfect little saw for my shed- there’s just the small matter of the price.!!… Now that your commercial fitted furniture day’s are over and you have more time than you know what to do with.!😂.. I think it’s your civic duty to make quiet, accurate table saw’s available to the masses.. - with your acquired experience and innovative approach to design and build problems, I think you could probably take a metabo ste saw :- Metabo TKHS 315 C Table Saw 2000W 240V SKU: MPTTKHS315C Authorised Reseller 103152038 1 £319.08 inc VAT And re-engineer it into a home built- all singing all dancing cabinet saw with a smaller footprint, and then sell the plans for £2:00..??🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Hi Peter, I bought this saw after watching some of your reviews and search around online. It’s a great machine ! Only comes with two batteries which isn’t enough if your cut solid oak parquet all day. However, I’m pretty impressed with the power (compared to to my ts55) Recently, it got stuck in on a calibration mode! And I’ve had to send it back to festool under the warranty! It’s been the first issue I’ve had with any festool product. It’s got me thinking that this tool is too reliant on the electronics! The moment the software glitches you can’t do anything… hoping this is a one off issue with tool! But I don’t have much confidence this will be one of this tools that will have the same longevity with the complex electronics.. Im wondering if I would actually have been better off with the other festool saw for the reliability! Interested to see what the 6 months / 1 year on videos will be on this machine.
DRO's are starting to show up on table saws, and there are retrofit kits offered by other saw makers. I think Festool missed the boat on that one, they should, perhaps offer a retrofit kit for a DRO, even if the adjustment is still manual, the DRO would be worth it.
From about 7 months ago 👍 - Benchdogs CSC SYS Fence [**gifted without obligation**][video 546] ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QmQW4YbCT3I.html
Was at my local wood and tool pusher the other day and he confirmed we'll get the saw over here this fall. But yup....$$$. As good as folks talk up the MFT and all that you can do with that and a track saw (and with parallel guides - all the farkles) I find my skill set with a big tablesaw exceeds what I've been able to do with the tracksaw/MFT combo. There are things that a tablesaw just does exceedingly well. So for my use case it begs the question: Do I dump my inexpensive cabinet tablesaw for this smaller pricier unit (for a LOT of my work the bigger saw just gets in the way). Festool did leave the door open for an after market fence (which seems to be a time honored habit of tablesaw manufactures :^) ).
I don't really understand why they put the Bluetooth gubbins in the battery. Surely it's better in the tool? Admittedly not backwards compatible with their existing range but ... If you swap your saw battery into your drill driver temporarily it's not going to fire up the damn suction every time you drive a fastener
A little scroll wheel for the fence would be perfect. Could be inbuilt to the fence so it doesnt interfere with the systainer box thing but that would probably require some expensive moulding
I totally agree with you. So far i don't regret buying the CSC SYS50 for a second. One of the most accurate saws i know. To be sure i always measure the distance from the fence to the saw blade with a ruler. Knowing Festool they will come up with a good solution.
Will Festool or the aftermarket make a converter/ adaptor for their cordless station tools? Seeing as Festool deems that non-handheld tools don't need BOTH mains' unlimited power as well as battery's unlimited placement. Because THAT would be very welcome. Especially with the small dust extractors. I'm guessing it would be a DC power supply, the shape of a battery so that it snicks right in the battery socket. Bonus points for including the Festool twist cord. This way, all legacy tools and accessories are still useful and adding features to the existing new line isn't needed.
I’m told that the power draw is too great for a mains/battery adapter like we see on the sanders, so if anything comes along it’ll be along the lines of a power brick, I think. 👍
Hi Peter. Glad you are liking the saw. I bought the TKS 80 with saw stop a few years ago. I was never at any point dissatisfied with it, but as time has gone on and I have used it more, the love for this saw has just grown. Things that seemed odd in the beginning are making sense now. I do want to get rid of the "transportable features" and put it on a permanent base, and No! I still haven't triggered the saw stop on it, but I'm also pretty carefull. I'm also running the DeWalt DWE 7485 on the mobile stand for all the really messy stuff outside. I have ripped so much timber on this saw, and it just goes on and on and is surprisingly accurate. Dust collection - Not so much.
One battery draining faster than the other could be an advantage if you only have one charger and 3 batteries as the depleted back battery could be put on charge while you continue with the fresh plus the part used one and might be ready for when the front battery runs out.
@@10MinuteWorkshop could it be that the front battery powers just the main motor while the back one powers the motor and everything else? All that you have to do is take the cover off your shiny new saw and snip the wires one by one to see what stops working. What could go wrong? 😉
If they hybridize it like their cordless sanders , I’m there despite the price. Same for the multitool. Why are you gonna charge me that much & not allow me to plug it in? I own their cordless sander & paid more for it to be cordless but only if I had the option to use an outlet. As a saw for portable use, I’d want the 120V version bc I’m in the US but 240V doesn’t bother me. In my shop I have 24OV tools that are stationary.
Bugger I was hoping for a car crash….. still going to wait for mains version 😁 If you are going for a new track saw surely you need both TS60 and 75 for lager cuts 😉
the slide on my saw on the right hand side is .5mm above the table and has o slope of .5mm which when using to cut accurate cuts leaves a angle on the timber the only way I can correct this is to have a .5mm shim the left edge of the sliding table
Mr. Millard, when you are cutting a half lap at 1:40 it seems like you might be using a flat top tooth blade. I'm considering this saw but eager to find out if this type of blade is available, or if the included blade will make smooth dado-style cuts. Any insight is appreciated!
Great channel! Have you considered a digital caliper holder (3d printed) for a table saw fence to help dial in precision fence movement for fine adjustment? I am pretty sure this would be a great seller if it was mountable on any saw?
@@10MinuteWorkshop With the Festool workapp you get a more precise readout of the battery condition over a bluetooth connection. Chances are differences in battery condition could be a cause. Noticed it on my saw too but it was the front battery in my case. Could also be a matter of upgrading the battery firmware.
Well, it wouldn’t cut any better, but it would be a lot more attractive to a lot more people if they didn’t have to invest in another battery platform to use it! And thanks! 👍
I’m pretty new to woodworking and have my eye on this machine. I want to build tools to aid my plan to renovate my home. The plan is to fit solid wood flooring and cabinetry as well as potentially a new kitchen. If I get this saw, would there be a need for a Kapex? Or is the mitre functionality on this adequate? I’m thinking to get this and a TS60 to have me covered for most of my cutting needs. What do you think?
Yes, for the tasks you mention I don’t think the extra capacity of a kapex is of any benefit. Mitre setup on this saw works very well - provided you can live with the depth of cut. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop I’m expecting mine to come tomorrow. I went with 4x of the new 8Ah batteries, which should make the absence of a power cord a little less of a nuisance. I have to say I’m excited! Took delivery of the TS 60 track saw, so I should be covered for most of my cutting needs for now.
Great video , can this saw cut bevels well ? I’m make boxes and can’t find a lot of footage showing bevel cuts . I assume the sliding table would be great for bevels .
Yes, absolutely. Take a look at my recent ‘loose tenon jig bevel hack’ video - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-50g5L63-Yvg.html - I cut a lot of bevels on the saw in that and they were fantastic. 👌👍
Looks like the Festool honey has seduced you on this one - and you thought it was flawed initially ! It's like all things - you'll find a use for it anyway. A lovely precision bench saw - more of a site application with the battery, but very useful as an addition to a bigger table saw or a mft table. It needs a micro adjustable feed to the fence and maybe a drop on the price - can't see Festool dropping any prices soon - the fanboys can't get enough.
I still think it’s flawed, but most of the flaws I’m coming to terms with. But yeah, micro-adjust on the fence is an omission when everything else in the saw is so precise. 🤷♂️👍
That saw seems incredible. However, one thing worries me. Since the blade is angled toward the fence, do you think it would be dangerous to make thin angled cuts?
Every tool seems to be going battery.. One must make a manufacturer decision or go broke through multiple platforms Would love this with a plug Great video
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