He literally. LITERALLY. Says that in the video. You should watch before attempting your "gotcha" comment. I wonder why a person would who is an HBCU administrator, former HBCU student, and father of two Black sons would want to speak about this???
This is true, but somehow, some Blacks have confused themselves into thinking they are "whyte-adjacent" - The whyte male in this country can get by without college, without a degree. There are dozens of pre-paved "roads" based on many years of UNEARNED ADVANTAGES that will allow the whyte male to succeed with little effort - Black Men in this country have no such "advantage" and will still need some level of secondary education/training to get a decent, good paying job.
@@ZacoosoloSolo the B stands for BLACK. Again I repeat, “I’M STILL AMAZED AT PEOPLE THINKING ONLY BLACK PEOPLE GO TO HBCU’S”. Now what does you comment have to do with anything?
I had the pleasure of working with Mr. Hadley while a law student at Howard. I recently read an article from the Howard newspaper praising the fact that Howard was more than 70% women and less than 30% men (as if that was something to celebrate). I believe we need to make the climate on campus more friendly and welcoming to male students. Create male specific outreach and retention programs and scholarships. Even during my time at the law school, only the men’s restrooms were converted to gender-neutral restrooms, leaving no safe space for men to relieve themselves. The administration and society as a whole needs to realize this is a problem. This leads me to the issue of programs that only work to uplift women in the Black community but leave men to fend for themselves. We ALL (men and women) must speak up and say that’s not right, pointing out the injustice of disregarding the Black male experience. Half of the Black population should not be left out of the conversation when it comes to social uplift. And it starts with our Black boys. We need to be more involved and supportive in their lives so that we don’t continue to see this imbalance. What society wants to see less of is strong, Black families. This is detrimental. Black folks, we must all work to make sure we are equally yoked together. Strength in numbers…
I remember when I went to an HBCU, it felt like every week they brought in a female speaker, who was a survivor of rape, domestic violence, verbal abuse, etc. Without fail, they were always mistreated by a man, most of the times, a black man. If that wasn’t enough, they would bring in some no name, pandering, preacher, who basically would find a way subtlety or outright diss the men in the room, while on the pulpit/podium. Both types of speakers did a great job a painting us like villains. We even had a thread on twitter, accusing different guys, alumni, staff members, and current students, of some type of sexual predatory behavior or acts. Unfortunately, (idk how many but) several people were falsely accused (including my choir’s director and one of the tenors in my section). It didn’t matter, because the damage was already done. So, naturally the women on campus become more tensed around us. How do you think that made us feel? If that wasn’t bad enough, during my last semester, they had a healthy masculinity rally. Unfortunately, they thought it was a good idea to have an almost entirely female panel (and one male pastor (who was a survivor from sexual abuse), bashing us guys, blaming us for the women feeling uncomfortable on campus, encouraging double standards like women should be able to wear what they want without getting looked at like a piece of meat, but it’s our (men’s) fault of a woman looks at us that way. They literally said, if we don’t like it, we can change our clothes. Moreover, they ridiculed us for how we flirt with women, but providing no examples as to the “right way” to do it. They even gaslighted a guy that asked, acting like they didn’t understand his simple question, which was how to approach a woman in a way that she’d feel safe/comfortable and is also effective. The poor guy basically got laughed off for the question. I’m rambling now, but I say all this to black men, asking them, is this the kind of “college experience” you want? For many of us, the answer is a no.
sure it costs, but with the right degree, you'll make more in your lifetime than most of your peers. if you go to college to party and chase skirts, well that's on you.
@@jones2277Cost isn't stopping women, but women are not the the best when it comes to financial decisions. A woman would go into crazy debt just to say she has a degree while a man wouldn't do that. Oh let's not go into the fact how some of these women pay for it Onlyfans/stripping/sugardaddy etc.
I wonder if they're going to Trade schools or starting their own businesses? Higher education is such a luxury now and some educational institutions are more of a business than a blessing. I'm not saying that's the case with HBCUs. But it is possibly the reason behind the reduction in men attending higher education institutions.
trade school. used to work for a cc in florida. they are not even enrolling in cc's. mostly trade/vocational school or entrepreneurship. trucking and blue collar jobs/businesses has been big for black men
In my city, if you enroll 11 black boys in kindergarten, only 1 will graduate high school, which says nothing about the quality of the degree or the student. This is a deeper problem that starts early on. So of course trade schools look good and respectable, but you wonder how many of these students even passed 9th grade algebra - the course that determines futures.
I love this conversation but I don't think you should go to college without an actual plan. I went to PV and definitely understand the value of the HBCU experience but don't just go for the experience. If anything id argue HBCU's should expand their experience by offering trade programs,. Our communities need skills. Yes we need engineers but we also need barbers, auto mechanics, real estate agents, radiologist, EMS, Police etc etc. I cut hair during my time there. If PV offered cosmetology id have a cs degree and a barber license. I know its a college so we don't think about it but we should rethink the landscape of HBCUs since we know the value of the experience. It should be offered to everyone at every level.
Blk MEN GET A TRADE. I did my undergraduate at a HBCU in business then my masters some where else then did another 4 years of trade school to become an electrician. Guess which one pays the best ,more freedoms and has way more opportunities. You guessed it trade. I’m an example of some one that has done it all and can say it would have been better if I just went to trade school. Especially electric , plumbing and hvac . You don’t have debt when your done and you get paid at the same competitive rate as white collar job also can make 6figures if you keep getting your certification and sky is the limit if you start your own company because now days every one is in college and no one knows how to fix any thing any more so trades can charge what they want. Need a new electric panel in your house see how much an electrician charges…a lot.
100% FACTS. I didn't go to an HBCU but I absolutely agree. Got a BA and an MA, but in between i got my aircraft mechanic license at a junior college and it has alway put food on the table. It took me around the world too when I was building communication satellites and taking them to launch bases. Certain sectors like airlines and private jet management pulls in 200k these days which is more than I can make in my white collar job i had on the business side of aviation. In fact I'm going to start my own shop next year and literally sky's the limit. Get the word out brotha!
@@Dariaaaaaaaaaaaa lol no one has ever given BLk men any thing they deserve or not . If we want it we have to go get it ,weather conditions are in our favor or not . That’s just the way it is
Point taken on wages in trade. But you oversimplify the overall value of higher education which plays out in the real world. I see the difference daily in those with well earned college degrees and our approach to the world in this country vs. most who never attended or didn’t finish. It’s night and day. Not everything is a matter of dollars and sense (play on words, intended).
4:50 going to college doesnt mean you're actually successful financially. Black women attend college at a high rate compared to black men and other groups, but they take out more loans and keep that debt significantly longer than other groups. Despite bm attendimg college in such low numbers, they are still making more money than bw on average.
Real talk as a black man going to a HBCU is luxury as a black man who wants to be around educated black people. We all would want to have that sitcom "it's a different world" experience, but the black reality is we can't afford it and it's cost effective to just go to a city/state college.
Unfortunately a lot of people in the black community only support education for black girls. I had a mother tell me that once she found out her twins were boys she immediately said ‘they are going to the military because I cant afford 2 in college at the same time.’ The implication was if they were girls she would’ve made a way. 😢
@@jmjenkins97I think the problem in the black community is single mothers I'm in college and had my dad in my life. I'm going for cyber security I have a year left. Every statistic shows the trauma living with a single mother causes.
@RM-uk4xq The military doesn't prevent you from going to college. In fact, it is encouraged with the incentive of the GI Bill. The issue in the black community is that education is no longer a priority in general. Also, poor education in public schools located in predominantly black neighborhoods is an ongoing issue.
If I’m not mistaken, the numbers of young men (regardless of race) enrolling in college is down nationwide. I imagine the numbers, like most things, are disproportionately even worse among young black men.
@@FluteCheeriosnon straight black men are not perceived as a threat to or to be competing for white women by white men. It's a power thing and this dynamic has always existed here.
@@thespicypimp423 Anyone that goes into a large amount of debt to attend undergrad is simply unaware of the scholarships and grants that are available to them. HBCU or otherwise there is PLENTY of money for anyone that wants a bachelor's degree.
Men in general are dropping out of the workforce and college. What I find interesting is why all of sudden the interest in men’s absent in the workforce and college?
Ok...this is a lot of bs. I sorry...I am a black professional man with multiple degrees in higher education. Men in general are not going to college, regardless of race. Those women are getting more degrees, they are disproportionately in areas where there is already a surplus in graduates. Hence why though women outpace men in higher education for the last 50 years, men still out earn women. Yes, black men out earn black women though black women have more degrees. College should be treated as an economic investment....not an overpriced experience that you can have with being a student. Who cares if you have a PhD if you have to now beg the government to force people who never went to college to pay off your loans. Trades pay better and are at a huge deficit...and a lot of men are going there. This shameless plug to get more people in debt is stupid. Yes I have a degree...but I had a plan, earned scholarships and paid off any loans by being frugal. Don't set these kids up for debt slavery
@bnwo this tread is not a black men trend....women have outpaced men in education for over 50 years. Black women have outpaced black men for 50 years....and men on average still earn more, have less debt and more actual wealth. Yes, that includes black men on average earning more than black women, having less debt and more actual wealth. College is not a necessity, it's about adding value to society. Since 2000, there has been a surplus in college graduates, particularly in worthless degrees. This disproportionately impacts black women because black women are the leading graduates in the top 10 lowest paying degrees according to a Georgetown study. So yes black women get more degrees....that don't amount to much economic progress or benefit. Just massive amounts of debt and economic limitations. Finally, if you do believe there is an issue...the focus should be on why college is less attractive to (black) men. Study after study shows that the cost benefit isn't worth it AND there is limited greater incentive to get a degree for many. Unfortunately, these issues won't be addressed because they will lead to the same problem...women go to college for themselves and their careers and men do it for someone else. If men don't have someone to do it for or believe it will result in someone to do it for, they don't participate. No one will address this because to resolve would require us to go backwards on the last 60-80 years of "progress". Finally, is this a problem. We have been saying for decades we need to push girls to be more educated and career driven. The guy literally said the issue isn't that more black men are interested, but that more black women are getting the spot....that was the actual goal. Society got what it asked for...that should be success right. In all, this is a stupid video
@@ke797 so you mean to tell me the men only invest in themselves if they have a woman that’s quite sad but yet you wanna be the leader of something you can’t even leave yourself without the incentive of women I suggest you decenter women and focus on building up yourself and society
I am reading a lot of people endorsing trade school, and that is fine. But, it depends on what you want to do. If you want to be a doctor, lawyer, engineer, teacher, surgical nurse, pharmacist, etc., you need to go to college. Don't be so quick to eliminate a college degree as an option.
Agree. That's the caveat! It would've been interesting to see Mr. Hadley's statistics on the majors and degrees of those, both black men and women, who attended and graduated from Howard. It would definitely add more color to the conversation.
Black men are not being “left out” of the college equation. We are not victims. Black men are choosing not to go. The question is: what are the HBCU offering to the black man that he sees benefit in it? He’s not making a case for that argument, because at the end of the day, black men are MEN FIRST. What are HBCU’s offering to help black men develop into men? If the answer is nothing, then there you have it. Because an effective, non-STEM education can be affordably attained with a $10 library card and a bus pass.
Interesting. I wonder if Mr. Hadley is trying to sell the HBCU experience. The idea of being around other black people who look like them so to speak. And to have access to mentors in the HBCU community who might have had a similar upbringing. And of course, the enjoyment of the HBCU culture..the football games, the cookouts, step shows, etc. Although I'm not sure how popular that aspect is nowadays with this era we're in.
One of the reasons I transferred from the HBCU that I attended is that I felt like I got much more for my money's worth (for less money) at my local community college. Granted, I attended a private institution, but public ones are still not a lot cheaper either. I live in Florida, where the cheapest universities aren't FAMU, FMU, or BCU, if I'm not mistaken (please let me know if I'm wrong). So, appealing to a young black man, like myself, who doesn't come from wealth, proximity to home, affordability and value for money are pretty important factors. Moreover, everything that Hadley talked about, pertaining to why a black man should attend an HBCU in 2024, I genuinely feel like I received that from my community college, and more. I do feel like many colleges/universities are trying to make an effort at having more diversity and inclusion, and it is definitely felt. For instance, my school celebrates black history month (in it's entirety) amongst other cultural heritages that are recognized. Moreover, the head of my school's math department is a black woman (who is amazing and is highly respected), most of the ppl I've met in administration are women (from different cultural backgrounds) and everyone is down to earth, extremely component, professional, and well-organized (not to say that most HBCU staff aren't). In no way, shape, or form have I ever felt discriminated against or treated differently by any student or staff member, at the school/campus that I attend. Even though the majority of the professors I have had are white, they are/were extremely respectful and willing to help their students reach their highest potential, given that one puts in the work. So, in my opinion, I feel like I get more of a bargain by attending my local community college compared to most universities, including HBCUs.
As a "highly educated" black man with a 2 yr old, at this point, I'll encourage him to avoid college. My fancy degree isn't doing 💩 for me at the moment
Thank you. The fact that they ignore this is unbelievable. How many people have fancy degrees, but they're working a job and only require a high school diploma. men are realizing that it's better to go into the trades.
@Chaoskae It depends on what the degree is in. If you get a degree in Basket weaving or women's studies what kind of job are you gonna get from that. We need to encourage brothers to go into the need to stop telling black children that everybody's gotta go to college.
We need more black men in TRADES. Lol I’m Gen Z our young men weren’t taught these skills by their fathers and uncles. If you don’t want to pursue college it’s a great option!!
I agree, but I'm not sure if this generation embraces manual labor like our parents and grandparents did. Here in Cali, Latinos do most of those jobs - and often they do them better.
The trades while honorable are a trap. When schools desegregated, what type of education did they allow Blacks to have initially? They restricted blacks to trades/vocational education. The trades also known as fix my car, change out my toilet, and prepare my food. They kept the math and sciences for Whites. That tells you all you need to know. 8 out of 10 people I know in the trades struggle, but everybody wants to make the one or two exceptions doing well to be the norm. The trades are mostly a local/relationship business limiting the ability for growth. Not too mention robotics are on their way. They already have prototypes that can lay sheet-rock and bricks. 3D printed homes also will be a thing in the future. Yes, it is all still 30-40 years away, but it is coming. They also already have self-driving 18-wheelers. Pushing our Black people into the trades is sending them to their doom. Our ancestors did not lay bricks on the these plantation mansions and sacrifice their lives, only for us to be doing the same thing 400 years later. As Malcolm X said, "The future belongs to the educated."
When I was a teacher, I noticed a lot of students (mostly black male students) opting out of both college and trade school. They were doing content creation throughout their high school years and just continued doing that after graduation. They are doing well for themselves and have more freedom than any of their peers who went to college or got trades.
@@jmjenkins97☝🏾yes as a African/Black RU-vidr I am dissapointed with the representation and the mockery of our own people by our own people and others 😢😒. Especially the streamers!!
Master Electrician and contractor here. Never felt more free and only racked up $5,000 in debt that I paid off a decade ago from the time I did spend in college. I suffer no fool from this messaging about whoa is me. Get to work and master something.
And Deion Sanders did a lot to show black men about HBCUs. HBCUs have to do more to market to black males. Most high school college counselors don't talk about HBCUs.
As a black man that is straight this sounds awesome like heaven for us men, I know where im going to college next year lol This conversation worked they got my attention. When I graduate from a HBCU I will say I attended because I heard 80% of the college is women.
HBCUs might consider increasing their online offerings and non traditional students. Black men may want to go to school later after they've begun working and starting families. The education the HBCUs offer also needs to educate us to solve Black People's problems, for being competitive with other groups in having our own and doing for self, and ultimately for freedom. It can't be the same education except in black.
As a college graduate, a PWI nor an HBCU is worth having such a horrible income to debt ratio. After 14 years plus removed from graduation, my income finally exceeds my debt. College did not teach me how to count real income. After taxes, expenditures, and debt, those are your real numbers. The real crisis is not college enrollment, as there's no strong correlation between degrees and one being a suitable husband and wife. The real degree is the enterprise of family. A more educated Black woman is appearing to have an inverse effect on family because college does not prepare for family. It prepares to be an employee. Realizations and epiphanies about time regarding family typically occur late and feel like business as usual. No one wants to marry and make babies with a corporate andriod. The best academic institution is still family. A committed husband and wife outweighs college any day.
@@mrdanielleebrown this is it. College alone has destroyed the black American family. Spending our most fertile years drinking and exploring promiscuity, and sitting in libraries unpaid. These hobbies are crushing our strongest young people
That’s because fathers are redirecting their sons to technical school. Unless you’re going to college for STEM, to become a doctor, lawyer, or accountant then college isn’t worth the price tag. Y’all just going to keep playing stupid like paying $120,000 for a sociology degree only to get a JOB making $50,000 is a flex.
So why are black males' numbers not increases in STEM, doctors, lawyers, and accountants then. Trade school is cool, but you change a community by building hospitals, banks, police stations, and employing engineers to build and design it all.
K-12 public education is failing American children. That ripples out across their lives. Poor education in K-12 lowers aspirations and the ability to get though college, especially for children that do not have any family members that can help them into and through the college experience.
Parents are failing their children across America. I’m 2024 when you have a computer in your pocket that provides endless resources. The family has to first set an educational standard, support and expectation. Everything starts at home. There needs to be a cultural shift in the household first.
@@astar3658 Parents play a vital role but again most parents do not have a college degree, so their ability to help in that area is quite limited. Because the school system is populated primarily by ppl with a college education it is the ideal place for kids to get information about college.
@@jasonwhite6463 I don’t know if that’s true that most parents don’t have college degrees most people are middle class so if they have children one of the parents mostly will have a college degree.
@@oladeebiazazi4538 What is wild to me is that ppl will post something like "I don't know if ***insert random thing*** is true...." while literally holding a device that is more than capable of allowing them to confirm the answer.
Please be careful of the headline. This is isnt a black male thing. Its is GLOBAL. Men in general arent going to colleges. Regardless of what country you choose that 30% rate holds up very well. If you look in some south american countries (like i looked at Colombia) it drops to 20%
😂 That's not been history in most of our lifetimes. I refused to go because I didn't want to use affirmative action to take the place of my more pale classmates who worked harder.
@@vashmatrix5769 HBCUs wouldn't exist if the Black students hadn't been historically discriminated against. There are Black ppl still alive that were the first to integrate schools. Affirmative action NEVER has been a means to get around hard work. It is a lie to suggest otherwise.
@@TheIshvalanHero this is soooooo true. The HBCU I attended had that mixed with nepotism. For most things, the school was always slow to get things done. But, if you are a legacy student, the red carpet is practically laid out for you. This is because your parents/grandparents/great-grandparents would be affiliated with someone (related, in-law, friends of, mutual friends of, etc.) that works there. Therefore, they’ll help you out faster, with whatever it is you need help with, faster than a regular student, like myself, who doesn’t have such connections. It was so annoying, even for basic stuff like WiFi or A/C in my dorm room, I had to constantly be on top of grown adults who are supposed to do their job. Whereas, the legacy kids, not saying they had the same issues as me, but I noticed they seemed to have their problems solved faster. So, when I transferred to a PWI and was treated fairly, it was so refreshing. It’s sad I have to rejoice about getting treatment I’m entitled to, considering I’m paying to attend their school.
A few years ago Bethune Cookman University (formerly BCC) started giving men's baseball scholarships to white students. It was eye opening to see, but what do black men think will happen if they don't attend?
its deeper than that. we see the scam with hbcu's where were just being indoctrinated to get a degree to work for white daddy. To think, the amount of hbcu grads and you cant speak of no hospitals, car manufactures, school systems, banks have been funded and ran by hbcu grads. we also now know that hbcu's have always been funded by white men specifically jews. and the cost of these hbcu's are outrageous with bad customer service on top of that. the gig is up.
Hbcu’s have always given scholarships to white and non black students. It’s not only black people that go there. I went to Florida A&M which is an hbcu and most of the women’s basketball and volleyball teams were white girls. Its a HISTORICALLY black college meaning yes it was founded (mainly by whites) for black students but they’re regular schools just like anywhere else
Most blacken rather get a trade or work a blue collar job than go to college. There is nothing wrong with trades but just remember that a lot of these corporate jobs don't hire black men because they are threatening and other various reasons too. Sometimes black men attend college and have a harder time finding jobs than black women because it is set up that way for black women to succeed than black men
It could be because men are choosing trade schools .. cost is a big factor. Men need to know how to fix and work on things (as we are expected to build society) I encourage men to attend a college/trade school that has your best interests in being skilled and in demand
5:40 YALL PLEASE DONT LISTEN TO THIS NON SENSE. As a college graduate with an engineering degree the ONLY reason to attend ANY university is for a useful degree that will make you money. I’ve seen too many of my friends not be able to find a job after. You want to learn something? read a book, watch a youtube video etc. College is not about learning or an education, you can’t understand half the things the professors say and half the class just cheats anyway. Do research on the degree you want before you go and remember there’s other less expensive ways to obtain knowledge and be successful. You have the combined knowledge of all of human history at your finger tips.
@ i know for a fact you don’t have data that shows black CE majors (or any CE majors) can’t find jobs. Civil engineering has sustained the highest level of job growth out of all engineering since the pandemic. I’m a black CE major that graduated last year and had a a job lined up a whole year before that. my whole graduating class had no issues finding jobs. CS on the other hand has gotten over saturated and might be harder
@@bibby3027 it's like saying, all physicians get jobs. But turning a blind eye to the opportunity cost, the actual cost, and the lower ROI black American men get vs the hiring preferences given to white and Asian American men. We studied 1000x more, 1000x harder... but won't get 1000x more money than the kid making your burrito at Chipotle... Either way, congratulations on your employment. Happy for you, sincerely.
If BM are barely graduating from high school the I can understand why rates would be down across the board. If/when they are in college it's probably for sports, and a result of that would also increase the reduced graduation rate. Most BM college athletes do not obtain a college degree.
I wish I could have attended an HBCU. The experience would have been far better than the PWI I attended. However, its hard for a kid from a working class family to see that experience being worth the 4 times higher debt I would have incurred. In the long run, it would have been worth it, but it is extremely hard to see that when your 18.
I went to an HBCU for a semester and got attached by the black female professors in the program and was embraced by the black female students and white staff. It was sad and i would up leaving and going to another university that was not an HBCU and had no problems. Some of the HBCU's have got to not attack those black men that aren't stereotypes in order to lure those group of people into school.
No one wants to pay back a loan for the rest of their life, for a job that's not promised, for a field that's being downsized or automated, or for a country that really doesn't notice us our continued sacrifices and struggles
I heard a lot of stats. What I did not hear was any type of incentive programs that he was going to initiate to address the imbalance of Black male students. Actions speak louder than words.
Trying to imagine dinner conversations between Alice the architect, and Joe the plumber. The current state of affairs threatens the future of the black family in ways we couldn't have predicted 30 years ago.
So if BW are "tearing it up" in school, how are they overachieving more in a patriarchal society than BM? He mentions Trump and George Floyd, but there was also Briana Taylor. Those tragedies are not exclusive to BM.
It’s college in general. Majority men go straight into workforce or trade jobs instead of secondary education. A lot business with well paid job have been looking to hire experience workers at least over the last 10 years. Starting your own business doesn’t take a college degree either.
Uh Maybe, to become a plumber, electrician, truck driver, grass cutter, construction worker, police officer, delivery driver, mail man, barber…….army lol
One the public school system is failing our youth nation wide. Also the devaluing of our sons is effecting their beliefs to achieve more. Women have been in leadership and the families haven’t grown. It’s time to go back to male leadership in the community. Also HBCUs are behind in facilities, diversities of thought, NIL, trade school promotion. These men need resources now. We need school choice in some areas and more accountability, not handouts.
Well most of the blacks who have any desire to attend college attend PWI to play sports and some Of the students which great grades go to PWI and the balance want to be rappers. A growing segment of the males are completely lost. Most of the cats attend college just to pledge and that’s it. Maybe more of the males would would attend college if they had fathers in their lives who could help provide guidance for the young men.
Why is the state of HBCU'S given so much more attention, than the general problem of low educational achievement among Black students overall, in grade schools? How can you call for the defunding of the police, but won't call for the refunding of schools, that no longer teach the traditional courses, that were once taught, in all U.S. schools? How do you not address the indifferent attitude many of us have, toward education - the not seeing the value in it - the fundamental importance of it? How much of that old ridiculous notion, that being studiousness is paramount to Whiteness, still exist among some of us? Why does all this talk of Black-culture and/or "The Culture" not deal with these important issues, which by nature are issues of a culture or sub-culture? Are we considering nearly enough, of what is necessary, to solve the many problems we have, that we contribute to, and thus we can resolve? If we did that, we would surely benefit from it? Can we ever know the true extent of the external forces that oppose us, if we don't first eliminate the internal ones?
But even with the student loan debt, collectively black men aren't making significantly more money than black women nor do they have significant amounts of wealth compared to black women. But a lot of people are speaking as if the masses of black men are in the trade, but they are not. There are a litany of issues as to why these things are the way they are, but we need to be quite frankly very honest about school and readiness. Also literacy rates, because these are all interrelated.
Go to school only if it gives you the skills to get a high-paying job. Ex STEM jobs otherwise you’ll be just saddled with debt that you won’t be able to pay off for decades.
This is an issue few people are talking about the men that actually chose to go to college. Many black men after being raised in predominately black environments want to go to white institutions so they can have more access to women of different races. They want to INTERACCIALLY DATE. Also they no longer want to feel ISOLATED in black areas. LASTLY FINANCIALLY ITS CHEAPER TO GO TO SCHOOLS IN YOUR OWN STATE. Many men in Midwest can go to STATE SCHOOLS AND COMMUNITY COLLEGES FOR FREE.
No discussion on what they are doing to attract or lower the barrier of entry for black men to come to their school? Do they want more black men at the school or was this just an FYI?
Men are looking at the cost and time to get that ROI. If they have to spend 50k-100k for undergrad they see it as losing 4yrs in the red. Meanwhile going the trade route and making that 50K-100K within that 4-6yr span wit very little debt from the trade school is what moves many men. Yall aren't asking the men why aren't they going, you're just talking about the data. As always not looking for the root cause and how to fix it.
Trades are far from a guarantee. A friend who is a welder had steady work on an enormous construction project for over a year. Once the project was over he struggled to find steady work for nearly a year. His wife had to start carrying most of the load. Nobody I know with a college degree is out of work for long periods of time. Don't get me started on the health issues caused by trades like welding and mining. Healthcare is costly with insurance, good luck affording it if you self-employed. Also, one of the root causes of tuition inflation is the 13 billion dollars that has been stolen from HBCUs by state legislatures.
@AldiAldiFPen I hear you, but I'm talking about the big dog trades that make things go. Plumbing, electricity, heavy equipment, etc. Welding has never been a stable field so not sure why folks do it. I have degrees and agree its the best option but school aint for everyone.
But you're talking as if the masses of black men are going to the trades... That's simply not true. As a matter of fact, black men are severely underrepresented in trades.
that's a priviledge. women who choose to attend all women's universities and black males motivated to attend Morehouse or any black student seeking enrollment at an HBCU often do so because the climate is affirming to their identity. Nothing wild about it. Environments are important
As a black person how can you NOT imagine? If that never crossed your mind as a black person that says alot about YOU(that if you even black). The psychological effects and behavior of black people in white spaces is so crazy. Being black going through life being blind to race can't literally get you killed.
@@VisionaireSocial My pale classmates worked hard to get their place & I shouldn't have been able to take their spot because of my skin tone. If it was based on merit, then I would have tried because I wouldn't have been taking the opportunity from someone else. I'd rather pick cotton than be part of such discrimination.
