FFX Was Finally Broken After 20 Years By Speedrunners 

Same

I got to max level once. I loved it, Tidus is just so OP.

Hahah same

"I want to play blitzball irl" *Proceed to drown*

​@@isaniruch same. I used to train to hold my breath, and at one point I could last 2 minutes underwater

I am getting a PhD in Applied math and I love watching speedruns lol

@@geighzollicoffer im allergic to math

They're reverse engineering the rom. In other words, figuring out how it works without having the source in front of them. If they had the source code available, this video would be half the length - or actually probably wouldn't exist at all. That's not to say it isn't an impressive feat, but it looks a lot less intimidating to a programmer. If anything I wonder how and why the devs arrived at such a strange random number generator (in the video one of the hackers posts the formula at some point in the form of C code).

@@Metal_Horror I'm both(s) Engineer, Phd and dev (in 3D graphics) ^^. yet i find the amount of time/energy/passion pretty hight level (and this is awesome).

@@Paulo_Dirac ever look into computer security? Reading "Smashing The Stack For Fun And Profit" - and getting my first shellcode to run - changed my life. It's fascinating stuff.

You are going to do a speedrun explained for this one, right? :P "I would like to remind everyone for the 26th time this run that no feeling is final...."

Well over half is cutscenes. Even in HD you can't skip them for some reason.

@@omnisel bro I'm guessing it's cause they don't want people to realize you can beat the game in under 5 hours of actual gameplay

I am suffering from lack of motivation. how do these guys have the motivation to do this for absolutely nothing.

@@grandparicksfirstassistant3386 Be careful with what you're implying here, unless you're trying to imply a casual player playing SMB1 will only ever get 5 minutes of fun out of it.

Wow, we are all getting old aren't we? FFIX was one of my first games as a kid, took me 6 months to get ViVi to the show, I couldn't read lol. Edit:must of been about 5, as I learned to read I got further

"belee it" naruto uzamaki

Sounds a bit like ff12. Same thing but to manipulate loot to get the added dev cheat weps

@@jprec5174 In FF12 they straight up determined the cheat weapon drop rate by the exact HP values in a Cure spell from Reks at the start of the game.

@@ultimamage3 nutty right?

@@jprec5174 It's wild and takes a lot of work

jUST really hammer in the LINEAR nails in the coffin lol

I barely understand anything being said in this video but awesome work dude.

Awesome work

Dude the fact that you're still discovering things 20 years on is crazy!! so cool

Awesome work 👏

You're a hero

Just set some money for the top 3 runners and see how "friendly competitive community" starts to fall apart. 10k for the winner would be enough?

It’s because it’s an rpg.

@@dramirez2351 that's more likely to just encourage cheaters.

Runners in healthy speedrunning communities tend to organize their priorities as, for example: 1. I want to be the one who breaks the minute barrier. 2. I want that minute barrier broken, period. Personal glory matters, but _community_ glory matters too, and everyone can contribute to that, even if they're not one of the top 1%.

Only took us 20 years lol

Been seeing you everywhere man. Eager to see what you’ve got coming down the pipe. I’m personally not exactly a fan of final fantasy, but loved your PBirdman mod run for X.

@@Irreverent_bob I got into Dangs08 for FFX help, but I often find myself falling asleep to the 24/7 stream he keeps running. Its oddly... Very calming. Its the perfect amount of commentary and he takes time to appreciate some of the finer things.

@@itz_premium he’s got a great voice for commentary so it’s just easy listening. I also really like watching because he knows the game front to back and it’s always fun to watch someone so knowledgeable of something they enjoy, enjoying that something. I could probably do similar videos about bloodborne and to a lesser extent the entire souls series, but I’m unfortunately too broke to afford any decent recording equipment. But yea, dansg08 is one of the greats in my eyes

I knew you'd be here. Where'd you hide Pbirdman? Is he already taking notes? EDIT: Well, I see he already did some of the information digging about the spawn rates of the Ghost in different spots of the caves. Of course.

agreed i have so many 😂😂 not including the time i bought it again with the black label so i could do all the bonus content they took out from the greatest hits version

It is a solid game after all!

Just hearing the amazing music again during this video is sucking me back into Spira...gotta finish my HD run.

I've only bought FFX and FF12 multiple times. Amazing games.

The ending gets me every single time. It just makes me super sad.

It's nice when it is like that, but there is a lot of toxic butthurt that results in gatekeeping which directly impedes the collaboration you're talking about. The "speedrun community" is not just one community, and even communities for individual games can become fragmented. Some people just suck at competing in a productive way.

Because it's always about execution, not knowledge. The fgc is the same way. Everybody is on an even playing field, so the winner is decided by the grind.

@@Hextator RPG speedrunning commuities are *extremely* chill and supportive. I only really see toxicity in some FPS or racing games that draw people with egos.

Well shit! Sucks I found the one exception then I guess?? Of COURSE speedrunning communities are toxic: they ALL draw people with egos. That's not an FPS or racing game thing. When it's speedrunning, EVERY game is a racing game.

How is it crazy? they speedrun literally any games these days

@@xgalarion8659 Not any, but a few. Depends on if they find it interesting.

Yeah the hobbit game on the ps1 is still being ran lol, admittedly I had never played it or knew much about it even but watching a video on the speed runs was cool as the game does have some cool of not odd mechanics

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@@finalblueproductions no longer underrated 👌

FF 16 is your last chance about Final Fantasy franchise.. and what I saw is single-player and moderating.. they are going totally in the wrong direction. the game has some really good PvE elements, music, zones bosses, story.. but its not a complete game lack of social features like chat bubbles, smaller nameplates aka small text font size option (last time I checked there was only normal and big option=) and no vocie chat. you have an outdated combat and subscription model with convoluted login/register/buy game systems. u lack social and PvP updates. u lack innovation. u don't even wanna complete game. u don't combine PvE elements with PvP. like open world raid bosses where players and guilds would fight to contest them. they could drop epic mounts. or exp/gear tokens that could be 1 alternative to story progression. or the ability to tame open world monsters as your mount. but most good mounts are locked behind a paywall or insane grind. u don't have Frontline sound or graphic notification. the lack of PvP mounts/events/quests. u only care about PvE and story players.u focus on shemale model instead of updating your game lol. also no blue mage in PVP (most good MMORPG animations main character is classless class. from Kirito to the main character in the Kings avatar animation. u don't have a single good 4v4 map like Heavens Arena from the King's avatar. FFXIV community could learn a lot from the Kings Avatar animation from Tencent. your combat too. 20 years behind. no skillshots or dodges, not even hybrid action combat like gw2, let alone true action combat like smite or Vindictus...2.5s global cooldown time with tab target combat in 2021... and they thought they are gonna solve the issues of combat by just adding crazy animations...but that cluttered the game and now they cannot even lower global cd time because of that. lack of social interaction. because u only have chat box that gets spammed whole day and emotes. emotes are nice but feel like u also need chat bubbles or voice chat. games 15 years ago successfully implemented chat bubbles. also new players cannot their content on ffxiv reddit, u have blocked comments on your FFXIV promotion videos so people cannot discuss it.... you take people that care for the game and complain as "toxic"... the game lack social and PVP updates? doesn't have chat bubbles (you only look at chat box whole day which sux), smaller nameplates aka text font size option, voice chat, good 4v4 Arena style map like Heavens Arena from the King's Avatar animation, no frontline popout sound notification, outdated combat and subscription model, convoluted login/register system (cant even use afna at launcher reset password confirm email box), no blue mage in PVP, lack of innovations such combining already good PvE elements with PVP such as open-world raid bosses where players and guild fight to contest said bosses? compete for the boss. they could drop epic mounts o exp/gear tokens which could be a great alternative to story leveling. new players cannot share their content on ffxiv reddit... doesn't change the fac the game has 500 ms animation lock + 2.5s global cd tab targeting combat. 20 years behind. they thought they will fix the combat by adding crazy animations, but that also just cluttered the game. mybe they could lower global cd to 2 second but anything lower hard because crazy animations. but the core problem si still there. tab targeting combat. not even hybrid action combat with skillshots and dodges. elt alone true action combat like Smite, Vindictus r the Kings Avatar animation. WoW TBC, for example, ahs bunch of instant casts too but only 1 second global cd. also wow tbc has chat bubbles and voice chat... ffxiv only has emotes and chat box. and it sux watching into chat bo whole day that get spammed. it is not socially interactive. or actually good 4v4 map like heavens Arena from the Kings Avatar or open-world raid bosses where players and guild could fight to contest them....or ability to tame open world monsters as your mount....innovate....more PVP events/rewards/mounts, combine PvE and PVP elements... and ffxiv community often mix competitive spirit and rivallry with toxicity

@@Dualities Upvote just from the fact that you reference "The King's Avatar." Also the ending fight of the novel was so epic!

@@renektonftw The Kings Avatar animation is probablly one of the best MMORPG/OBA animation out there. veryy cool to watch if u like gaming

Why are you titling this video as if FFX on the PS2 was finally broken by speedrunners after 20 years when you're really just talking about the HD remaster which was released later?

Does this not work on the original?

@@andrewut7ya511 No. There are far more seeds in the original.

Great video with solid, concise explanations. Well done.

@@djhenyo well actually, it does work on the original

Throwing a sub your way :)

IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN (as of this writing, it has already happened)

Reminder that subs don't matter. Concentrate on metrics and views. Don't worry about subs. RU-vid sure doesn't. (Except for those buttons they send you, I guess.)

Dang bro, nearly 1M views!

Yeah I double checked before commenting but I tend to get those ghost appearing quite a lot and they drop that item straight off most times maybe I've got a bugged game I mean I've had over like 18 of them apper some 3 times in a row once but I was actually playing the game of properly though i was not speed-running or anything so I took every encounter maybe that has some kind of luck related thing Ahh ok it's seeded nvm Squall will be happy to hear that

Isn't this all just FFX music?

@@Unforgiven11 At 4:45 is some synthwave but rest of it ff10 music lol

@@Hateious is the song at 10:23 from FFX too? I didn’t recognize it, but I’m no expert.

@@thetrueyuiop yeah that ones called pursuit love that theme lol

@@Hateious WOW!!! THANK YOU! This song is amazing! (It sounds like something out of Towerclimb)

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back when programmers took pride in releasing bug free games.

@@Krieghandt Taking pride in releasing bug-free games doesn't prevent, say, Super Mario 64 from being completely _broken_ when doing speedruns or challenges. A casual player probably won't encounter many (or any) bugs. But when you're explicitly looking for bugs in a long, complicated program, you're gonna find some eventually. It just comes down to whether or not they're useful. And, honestly, I'm kind of impressed, too, that they apparently haven't found a way to skip large portions of the game.

@@Krieghandt >SM64 exists

i like to think somewhere in the world one of the programmers for ffx has a ''gameshark'' cheater program full of work they did coding the game. if you know what a gameshark is.

Doesnt need glitches. Can give urself max cash from the menu and invincibility. And jack up the speed. Basically enabling these so called "fastest cheated run" videos you see that are worded differently.

Most of the speed running community haven't even finished high school 😅🤣

@@BoleDaPole well that's just a false statement

@@BoleDaPole Now that's just a smoothbrain argument, got any proof? :V (though honestly, that'd technically only credit highschoolers more, not detract from said speedrunners. Especially the top ones...)

Fire emblem uses very similar rng to prevent save scumming, kind of. Every tile you move changes rng.

That happened to me in SNES or GENESIS RPGs before.

It's called a pseudo random number for a reason........ All games use seeds.... There is no other way to do it.... All lost count of the the games I broke with seeds.....

In Civilization you can manipulate the seeds and make sure you get good things from the villages...... You can also use the seeds and always win battles when you fight...... You will always win.......... Lots of other games like that.......

The Nintendo switch version of Civilization 6 also does this......

Interesting!

So he’s like Tifa with Powersoul and Death Sentence!

I mean if you grind enough to have maxed celestial weapons and >9999 hp before Yunalesca, it's gonna be pretty simple either way

Then you start hunting Dark Aeons and realize you have the standard power level for them. 8 Million HP with a party that doesn't have multihits still gives me PTSD. And then comes Penance with 12 mil HP...

@@Skybreaker1337 Thats mad, I couldnt even beat the Dark Magus sisters when they ambushed me :L

Datamining, Looking at Source code and breaking down data in bits helps :P

And it’s all just to finish a game a little bit faster. It’s a bit goofy if you step back and look at it, but I still got mad respect for these guys. Some of these guys are gonna end up in NASA or something, mark my words.

Is yojimbo hip hop kojima? Probably a FF thing, I'm a casual in the FF community, just played them as a kid and liked them.

@@Guitar-Dog yojimbo is an aeon that does actions based on how much you pay him. It's interesting to say the least.

My mind blow when I found there is a equation for yojimbo attacks

It took about a year of learning assembly language and reverse engineering to get to the point of knowing when a Ghost would appear. Granted now that I know that base knowledge, applying it to another game wouldn't take as long, but it was a grind, that's for sure! Having tools like Cheat Engine is a huge help so you can watch the game memory in real time to see what's happening. And if you know the type of data you're looking for, you can see what part of the game handles that data and how it handles the data. Then you can continue from there and see if there's a way to manipulate the game to have it handle that data in the way you want it to for a preferred outcome.

I suspect they're AI lol

It's a reminder that the most powerful calculation tool we have right now... is human brains. (You know, by working with others, not by some kind of mad science nonsense.)

Personally I started with 8, but X is still my favorite. I didn't know speedrunning a final fantasy game could be so complex, it's pretty cool to see.

I think it's worth saying that the 'frames since boot of system' _would_ need replacement with something when moving to PC... but it wouldn't have been hard to preserve a decent amount of randomness with even a basic RNG call to the OS.

It took a bit, but the big nerds channel and some folks helped out a lot!

Of course. You could use it to manipulate any item bribe or drop you want, as well as specific monster encounters for an area you have to run through. You'd essentially use the logic of forcing a No Encounters armor drop on a Ghost to whatever item you may be looking for. You could potentially go as far as to sitting in a basic fight before Dark Anima to cycle through the part of the RNG table that handles enemy AI decisions so that by the time you fight Dark Anima, you force her to do attacks that are most favorable to your party, which could allow you enough time to defeat her before she can use an attack that would wipe your party. :D

tl;dr: By tracking numbers at the start of the game, runners can predict ghost encounters, item drops, and critical hits much later.

And the guy who cured it would have a pokemon or some anime for their profile pic for some reason.

Irony

@@mimszanadunstedt441 it's not even irony but straight on mental illness. This level of obsession for no viable reason for no pay off it contrary to healthy thinking

@@paveesfox375 theres no reason for hobbies art sports n war either

@@paveesfox375 Ok, explain gaming, woodworking, metalworking, chemistry, writing, music, general arts and crafts, and so on. Even just forum crawling and the sort. Are those also pointless/a mental illness to "obsess" over? What is a valid "pay off"? What's the end goal? What's "healthy thinking"? I'd *really* like to see what your response would be to all those other "pointless" non-productive activities... most of which unless you dedicate entirely, will never make you money. And often are a varying level of drain on your money at best. And at worst can harm or kill you.

Honestly I'd buy a Ps5 upgraded version just to play it again for a reason.

@@bmxscape still took time and effort to create and implement, and I didn't know about it until I watched the video, so it's pretty cool to me

@@bmxscape the game does have a random number generator, thats how it produces random numbers, believe it or not, i dont think you have any idea on how any of this works

@@bmxscape yeah as i said, you have no idea how any of this works, results from previous events are not used to generate random values at all

naw its fucking impossible to win and get attack reels and telaport and return spheres its impossible! you need top score with tidus and wedge !!! impossible! you throw the ball! intercept !! every fucking time!!! fuck ff10