FFXIV Community vs Criticism w/ Serenaya & Llamatodd 

My biggest problem when it comes to criticism and the defense thereof is that each side of that argument loves to invent strawmen and present them as the representative of the majority opinion. There are critics who will make defenders out to be a monolith of sycophantic fanboys who can't tolerate any criticism, from the most problematic to the most trivial. There are defenders who will make critics out to be a bunch of seething neckbeards who are playing this game because they hate themselves. There are constructive, vital criticisms of FFXIV that absolutely need to be voiced. And those criticisms should be heard. By that same token, not every bit of criticism thrown at FFXIV is something I would consider reasonable. Let's take housing, for instance: Is it a fair criticism to say that housing, as it stands, is in a very rough spot with way fewer houses than there are players, and that walls off an entire set of content from a majority of players? Absolutely! Is it a fair criticism that the person or people on the development team who are responsible for housing should get punished somehow? Absolutely not. And there are fringe people on both extremes. A fringe extreme on one side loves the exclusivity of having a house and, if you don't have one, sad day for you. Just try harder. Then another fringe extreme is that the devs in charge of housing should be fired and the whole thing rebuilt from the ground up with a new team. Do those fringe extremes represent a majority opinion on either side? Absolutely not. But the strawmen constructed to conflate an extreme and moderate take are absolutely wild. The whole "criticism vs defense" debate is why I stopped using Twitter and will no longer go on Reddit. You're either operating at 100 or -100. There is no middle ground recognized on this battlefield.

I have to be honest and say you guys have not hung out in WoW's official forums or certain other WoW-centric forums if you think the majority of WoW players are okay with their game being critiqued or insulted. They do not and will use your raiding/collection numbers in the same way some will use streamer view counts. There is always some metric you have not met that doesn't allow you to criticize WoW. Part of the reason people in WoW dislike Asmon is because he constantly criticizes. I think the only critiques I have issues with are when streamers use an aspect of FFXIV as a negative which they had bragged about years earlier (especially when courting players from WoW). I just feel I can't take that person's opinion seriously (streamer or not) if the positives are now the negatives? And the idea of "complaining about something means you love it"? Both WoW and FFXIV players say this, but that logic is used by most abusers towards people they "love". There is a reason why managers in the corporate world are taught to be sure to praise and not just criticize. If all you do is complain? Then you are eventually tuned out by others including those you are critiquing. Also, if only have complaints about something, then you don't love it anymore. Maybe you are telling what would make you love it again. People change and that's fine and we should accept change in ourselves and others without being bitter. Frosty - I think you are viewed as a "journalist" in the FFXIV community which is why people expect this neutral stance from you. Your show is a lot of interviews or where you are acting as a sort of "moderator". Maybe you want it to be more of a blog, but the style really does come off more as "journalistic". At NA Fan Fest? Most players I met were not there to meet content creators and I was surprised at how many long-time players had no clue who most of the streamers I named were. They had no clue why so many people were going up to Arthars and Xenosys. Content creators can get players into the game, but they can't keep them. I think it's okay for creators to get a Fest pass up and to a point - that it doesn't reduce the number of players who get to go and the devs don't think interacting with creators is equal to interacting with the player base. This event is partially why people play the game - Fan Fest makes the average player feel appreciated even if they don't get to go. If I went to Fan Fest and it was just a glorified media tour? And streamers got extra goody bags etc? I'd be very disappointed. I also would not want to feel "forced" to watch Fan Fest through a creator's lens because SE started to invited creators to cover it and then felt they no longer needed to. There is a very good reason Blizz invites streamers to Blizzcon and to do panels for them - they are garbage when it comes to communicating with the players ("don't you guys have phones"). They have realized they aren't good at communicating with their player base and that if they court streamers they will sell the game for them.

Im gonna bite the bullet... I enjoy the 2 minute meta, partially What I don't enjoy about the 2 minute meta is the ramifications from it, and as a disclaimer, I have been playing from late-shadowbringers so I didn't get to experience the non 2-minute era that came before Pros: - I can swap jobs more comfortably and by following similar guidelines of, build resources, burst on 1 and 2 minutes, I can have a decent skill floor across MOST jobs - I can tell when a player is having issues or drifting when I notice their burst is not lined up, and I can help them or offer advice - I can talk with my team about delayed burst windows more comfortably as we all have the same timing for it - SE can design intense mechanics to line up to 2 min windows to spice things up, wich is something I enjoyed a lot on P9 and P10 prog Cons: - I can't get gear for all the jobs I want to play now that is easier to swap (This only matters for the tomestone armor pieces, savage could afford to make accesories cheaper, and relics.... thats another can of worms) - Classes feel same-y, especially tanks - The fun gets optimized out of encounters a lot faster, there is a lot less thinking when everyone bursts at the same time - Deaths feel like a "oh well, I guess this run is dead" as buffs get missaligned and gauges are reset before the 2 min windows - Classes with outliar damage rotations have been unplugged, like Paladin, that had a more "consistent" damage, and had their damage moved to burst windows to comply with the 2 min meta (While I personaly enjoy the 6.3 PLD, I know old players felt shattered and I get that) My 2 cents on how they could improve on it: - Make classes feel less same-y, OUTSIDE OF COMBAT. Take a lesson from racials and the toy box from WoW, give Dragoon a double jump, give Paladin the res out of combat back, give Warrior a reverse-provoke Roar that makes world enemies run away, give scholar a pencil to draw on the boss arenas, give astrologian the ability to read fortune for the day, etc etc... Its the little touches that give life to a job, without the need to throw a wrench in the endgame balance they have pushed for Addling onto this, if you are the crafter of your group of friends, you know that fuzzy feeling when someone asks if you can repair for them, thats what I'm getting at, give players tools to have interations beyond "o/" and "gg tyfp" in dungeons - [Insert 2 pages of text about making Gear more accesible for alt jobs]

So I think the difference in perspective is a big part of the issue between content creators and average players. One of the things I think _some_ people feel is that content creators words are held in higher regard than anyone else because of their percieved fame. So it allows them to get extra bitter when there is a take that they feel potentially could ruin the game for them, or what they personally believe is a bad take. Content Creators aren't an authority, but they are treated like one because of fame/notoriety. I'm not saying it's right, but that what I imagine people feel. I do believe you need to take that into account to a degree. But not to the extent that you allow people to dominate your online presence. You would do it in a similar way to talking with a group of strangers in-person. Everyone basically self censors to a degree. I think the healthy amount of in-person self censoring should also apply to online interactions. I have a few thoughts on this topic myself: 1) The kind of criticism I see is a mixed bag and I know people want to value their negative feedback because you need to highlight what isn't working, you also need to highlight what is. I don't think feedback for something as complex as a game can be compared to giving feedback to a restuarant about their food/dining experience. Games have so many variables that it's even more important to highlight what works when presenting what doesn't. And I say this as a game developer myself, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do this when giving feedback! It's often one extreme or the other. I think the sweet spot is 70/30 in favour of criticism to praise. 2) Response to Llamatodd: When you say we do know that they could fix the the netcode issues, I felt the need to push back. Unless you are on the development team, you don't know. Always when talking about what a dev team could do qualify that as a guess. Because you just don't know. It'd be better for all of us to not assume we know the inner workings of a dev team because we have no idea what they're working on until they mention it. I'm assuming he meant he could hazard a guess, but there are too many people who mouth off about what devs do/are doing that don't know anything and it would be better to tell yourself, "I don't know". Even other devs will be like "I have no idea." (granted, I think you were ultimately saying you think, but to me it didn't quite come across so I though I should pushback a bit). I am on the same page in that I also think it might come in the next MMO though, but we'll see. 3) The forums feel unmoderated in a way that puts me off adding feedback there. I wish it were a better environment that was geared towards discussion but at the moment it feels like there is too much vitriol. It feels too much like forums in the early 2000s where people just wanted to flame each other. 4) People need to understand that you can push back on something someone says while still acknowledging the emotions of their statement. Like, sometimes feedback is given in a way sounds like the person thinks it can be fixed tomorrow. Like they don't understand that stuff takes time. Some people intend to push back and aren't good at doing that. Now, it might be given where they do understand, but it's an emotional reaction so it doesn't come across. It's on the person responding to not escalate things, and assume they do understand and be like "I get it, that might be part of their tech debt, but who knows. Still annoying though", or "Yeah, I wish it were higher priority we need to make sure they know it's irritating". 5) People mad about others getting good opportunities for no other reason than the fact that they got opportunities need to get over themselves. Hope this all makes sense.

Content creators underappreciated by Square? That's an interesting take when media tour exists. And media seats at fanfest. Content creators weaseling their way into meeting YoshiP and Sakaguchi on the fanfest. While regular players have to win a lottery to meet any of them. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I only got two issues with this conversation. - when bringing up ppl who disagree with any FFXIV criticism you guys where giving examples of absolutely insane xitters (twitter users). looks more like you need to chill on your twitter consumption, then the game or it's community suddenly being bad. - issues with netcode existed for years, but suddenly everyone felt like complaining about it. I think that's why it feels like content farming. but on issues themselves: we need to formulate a proper feedback on how current netcode problems affect everyone to the dev team. instead of just flaming each other on twitter.

The part where llama said they 100% could fix the snappy-ness then talked shit about the textures and how hard SE worked/how proud they were of it lmao

Thanks for having me on again, Frosty! This is very much a case of "if the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it." We are not referring to criticism of opinions that are just that - criticism. That is normal, human and healthy. We are discussing the variety of overly-defensive, emotion-fuelled, take-a-bullet style corporate phallus-sucking that occurs from some whenever we or others have something negative to say about the game, and why that's a problem for both the game and the community. It is normal to complain because you care, and want it to be better.

Great show its nice to see people that feel the same way as me, Ive been playing ff14 since arr and wow off and on since wrath, I always play wow during ff14 downtime and there is nothing wrong with that. Both are companies and not your friends. Both have ups and downs and both are toxic at times but I still love and enjoy them

I am somewhat new to the game having started in June of 2021. Maybe it's just how bad the game I came from was (Destiny 2) but I constantly find myself impressed with how good XIV is. I realize that some things aren't perfect and there is always room for improvement though. There are also parts of the game that I don't even touch and don't really have an opinion on. Sometimes though it can feel like some players don't know how good they have it with this game. As a fan of Todd's I don't really agree with some of his opinions here but have zero problem with him saying what he wants addressed or how he feels the game could be better.

I picked up GW2 recently, and they're mostly game defenders on reddit. I think they're very similar to FFXIV in that they are an MMO.

im a shadowbab, i remember watching llama when i first started raiding and his stream had a great atmosphere, i hope DT is as good as we all want and he is back enjoying it alot again.

My biggest complaints . Inventory . We need like 50 glamour plate slots That's it for me

These one game content creators play FFXIV for so long that they think this only happens with the XIV community. They are completely clueless about the gaming world. Go to any game community and start criticizing the game and you will see people get defensive. Go to any wow forum, League, Dota, CS, Valorant. And not only multiplayer games, but single players too. Try criticizing TLOU, Cyberpunk, zelda, FF and see what kind of responses you will get. And don't even try to compare two games of the same type. Go to any wow forum and compare wow to XIV people will lose their minds. Or valorant vs CS, dota vs league..

1:17:45 ...We already can. Nobody gets banned for pointing out something's wrong and trying to help. Folks get banned / punished if they're an asshole in how they say it and the person they're talking to takes it poorly enough to report it. Just be aware of what you say and how you say it, keep it civil and respectful, and no matter how butthurt someone is that you called them out, you'll be fine even if they report you. Get good at communication.

People play this game for all kinds of reasons and are able ti enjoy it in may ways . The FF community seems to rather varied judging by the wide variety of y tube vid,s put up . there is very wide range of interests and yet manage to coexist.

My shot from the hip thought about people's pride being the problem is that people really need to become fans of something that is rated poorly and understand that it's factual bad so they will stop being so adamant defensive. I say this as a Dirge of Cerberus fan and Fisher main.

Overall, I'm glad there are content creators brave enough to bring this stuff up. We need more like this so that we can be more open in our in-game communications. It literally feels like living as the workers in one of those restaurants or hotels where Gordon Ramsey goes in and lights a match under the owner's behind, except Gordon hasn't arrived yet, so everyone is still walking on eggshells.

"If you can't find flaws on something - you don't care about it." This hits like a true fucking truck.

LOL and the thing is i read alot of the responses on llamatodds twitter and yes that one guy did put up metrics on ppl not watching him and yes they put up the metrics. the responses to him were cringe yet funny at the same time. was eating good on popcorn that night xD

I feel as if a lot if not most of the people who say the community cannot take criticism only do so because a lot of their critcism is just hot takes. Xeno defended the game back when Lynx Kameli made that video, yet I remember Xeno yelling and accusing Yoshi-P not playing his own game. Just because someone doesn't accept some criticism doesn't mean they're fanboys or will defend the game no matter what. Not all complaints are created equal, some are just bad hot takes no one agrees with. It's no coincidence that we saw tons of people accusing the community of this during the WoW refugee thing.

Unleashed Todd is definitely the best version of Todd

There's a lot of stuff Endwalker did right, but it also did tremendously wrong in other spheres. This expansion felt like a single player experience if you're not into extreme or higher level content. SB and ShB had content that brought the community together to work on long term objectives. Endwalker is severely lacking on this front and this is why to me it is one of the weaker expansions. I have high hopes for Dawntrail now that they said on stage they wanted to bring the people back together I want to have a reason to log in everyday. It doesn't have to be anything crazy, but please SE throw us at least a bone in 7.X. Relic grind would be a good start. Or at least something that replaces it if tome relic is to be the new norm.

Man I love this. People just talking real talk about things they care about

I do think its funny that they're complaining about creator's having to "soften the blow" whenever they criticize the game, and yet you'll see them respond to replys that they're allowed to have fun. Copy and pasting it over and over to everyone. Somehow that's better? Its better to show empathy/understanding upfront rather then spending way longer on damage control later, (which most people won't have care to come back and see anyways.)

You can tell people also don't do chocobo racing either with how people react to the Fall Guys collab. When you have to predict when to jump or to dodge an aoe seconds before hand during a race cause the game won't register it when you see the aoe or the chest on your screen. XiV is a game that isn't built with jump puzzles in mind yet they keep on putting them into the game. Or with Fall Guys chose to collaborate with a game that is filled with needing to make sometimes precise jumps. That doesn't mean it isn't a fun collaboration. The weird thing is so many also don't realize or heard that the collaboration will come back in the same vein as the moogle times. So a lot of people seem to be up in arms about the title cause they think they only have until the 31st of December.

28:56 I might be tripping here, BUTT I am pretty sure I've heard someone ask Yoshi P this question before. And his answer was something like in order for us to fix the latency issue, it would require us to have to game on pause for a whole year, and have a all hands on deck situation, meaning all updates would stop for a whole year. Basically killing the game for a year. Then again I might be tripping but I am kind of sure I saw a clip like that.

the dudes has done nothing but help people for years, people need chill

I still haven't cleared p12s and I really want that mount. Lmao. It's an adorable axolotl

As someone who doesn't stream I've never encountered any of these problems but that's like saying since I'm not a cop I don't run into a lot of crime in my life. It doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. It just means I'm not experiencing it. Also I imagine this feeling of walking on eggshells for most streamers in FFXIV is sort of a catch-22. Most probably don't have a big enough viewership to feel like they can just be themselves or a big enough viewership to cultivate the type of viewers they want. I mean if you have a 100 viewers or less you probably just can't ban 10 of them a day for being nutjobs. I know every game has its weirdo's but I'm genuinely curious to know if FFXIV streamers feel like if maybe they inadvertently helped to cause some of this in any way? I've only been watching streamers since Shadowbringers and even then not a lot of them but for a while it always felt like they were all way too overly positive all the time. I didn't see really much criticism. Was it always there and I just didn't notice or have I just not watched enough FFXIV streamers to see it?

As a WoL coomer, i agree with everything wrong with us

More responsive controles would be awesome. Think i would hate talents in xiv. While each group fights over limited resources content wise, it's important to have a balance.

I feel like this is a bit of one side calling out the other. There's strong negativity, toxic stances and very emotional arguing. There's a huge point to be made that the reactions they get from the minority is the same as their venting here. Immense amount of strawmanning, and assumptions being made on all parts.

1:32:17 Ah yeah, I remember that commenter from your podcast with Alex and Husky...

Honestly watching this is kind of cathartic. It’s refreshing to see someone not hold back and not surround all their statements with caveats and sugarcoating. The game needs it

Endwalker has been my least favorite in terms of job-feel, for like half the cast.

In the last few years, FF14 has become the worst community among all big MMOs. I tried WoW Classic recently, and the players are the nicest people I've ever played with.

Lamatodd is so much fun

Signor Naya

Hot take, but any person on twitter who has an overly modded XIV character laterally has 0 reason to speak lmao. Their opinions just have no weight anywhere when their timeline is full of XIV porn and unrealistic characters.

Do you guys remember LBR? Aniero talked about those XIV problems back in 2018-ish and ppl gave him crap, guess what? Nothing has changed hahaha. Neither the problems or the ppl on "defense stance"

56:00 Some of us are satisfied enough to not feel the need to complain in-game or on social media about the problems others go to war about, and just want to play in peace doing what we enjoy. That's why I don't generally interact with the super-heated angry part of the playerbase (much less the official forums). I just dunk on their seeming inability to enjoy anything with my friends instead. Sure there are some things I think could be better, but I'm not about to start bugging the shit out of everyone in earshot with my qualms, just as I don't care to hear the bitching about stuff that I have no control over. I wish the loud complainers would just keep it contained to where the devs will see it and stop being so obnoxious and extreme.

Being able to handle criticism is very important. I’m glad these fine gentlemen were here to model a good response to criticism like retreating to your echo chamber of people who all agree with you to whine for two hours about the people criticizing you

This community is just plain weird, the more i play and fall in the love with this game. I look at the loud minority in the community and shake my head. Game needs alot of work. But people need to take a break and chill till Dawntrail. Everyone else whos still playing, go do a ultimate or catch-up on old content and have a great time

Around 11:00 something. Yeah, I think Ys'tolla should've just been dead in Shadow Bringers... It's like they've been afraid to touch character death of big cast since Heavens Ward or Minfillia.

This podcast needed a female perspective, I'm sorry 😭

The two biggest issues with this is that you have people who play this game more than the majority of players - and most likely are also doing every new thing on the cutting edge of content - acting like they have all the answers for what the game is doing wrong and how to fix it. Nobody wants to admit to burnout, nobody wants to admit to an extremely narrow perspective, you have people in social media speaking from some kind of self-appointed pedestal that all the peasants don't understand that the game is shit and things need to change. You guys are the vocal minority that you chastise. Streamers are more minority than any minority you can possibly concoct to shadowbox and insinuate for blind fanaticism. You might have some answers, sometimes, but you don't have all the answers and the answers you have aren't necessarily correct. You might hate it because you brought it up in the first few minutes of the podcast, but it really is "play it if you like it, don't if you don't." It's not up to players who aren't developers and don't have metrics or the big picture to dictate how the game should be. Any game that bends the knee to forums, or streamers, fails.

@19:17 if there is shitty specs, that you cannot play, because nobody wants them in the party. for all intents and purposes, that spec dont exist, so why should the devs waste time doing them?

The whole discussion on having the story kill of characters... yeah. Like, full disclaimer, I say this as someone who has cried (not just teared up) twice in FFXIV's stories. One was during the Weapon story in ShB right at the end and the second was actually in EW during Ultima Thule (when the twins went very temporarily bye bye), yet even as I was crying, I was asking myself "why, they will come back anyway" since Y'shtola already dropped the bomb of using Azem's crystal and lo and behold, my tears were for nothing as they did in fact come back. Genuinely, at this point, FFXIV needs to do one of two things. 1) Accept that you aren't killing off/writing out the Scions and don't even pretend that will happen. The whole "we will sacrifice ourselves so you can make it to the end" bit was essentially just fake out deaths. Hell, it was Y'shtola's 4TH FAKE OUT. Or 2) Actually grow a pair and kill of at least 1 Scion again. And no, that Scion can't be Lyse. If they do either, I'll be fine. But they are currently constantly teasing that it will happen, but never delivering. Thancred goes to battle Ran'jit and beats him while forcing his body to produce aether, despite that being potentially fatal for him? Luckily, the Scions are close enough to save the dying Thancred and he goes entirely unpunished. Y'shtola jumps into the life stream for the second time? Luckily, Emet-Selch is right there and can fish her out of it with a literal snap to his fingers. The Scions are (officially) disbanding, meaning that we might get some new blood to adventure with while also calling upon the Scions every once in a while? Fuck that, Estinien and Y'shtola are right there for your next adventure immediately, while G'raha and Krile are there for the 24 man raids. I want to love the story again, I really do, but I'm currently just enjoying it. Which is fine, but having so many issues (this being only one) with the story, despite actually loving it since minute 1 including the pre-Titan questline in ARR, it makes it hard man.

The older guy is really annoying but i respect his opinions

Having balance be meta swinging in FFXIV specifically would be horrible for the game. Not because of class popularity or fotm but because from a design stand point the archetype pool for each position is extremely shallow. It would basically cut the job sets in half (going my gear set types). An example of some clases being bad and some being good but it works is WoW and SWTOR. Every class has 3 different distinct ways to play in those games. Some designed fot pve, some for pvp, and some for open world but lackluster in both. This works because of the generic talent trees (i know wow recently overhauled theirs in drsgonflight) that change with the spec. This also makes balance s nightmare, forget class balance these devs can hardly balance their encounters without having to send out hundred of nerfs because they cant take in every variable properly. The amount of resources it would take to have them redesign gearing, adding alternative styles to each class, and making constant changes for some to be good and some to be bad is something that they are probably not staffed for. Sure they could hire more people but look at blizzard, thousands of people work on one title and it comes out subpar and in need of so much fixing that by the time something feels good another patch is out with even more problems to be addressed. Personally it be cool as shit if every melee class in ffxiv had both a tanking and dps skill set allowing them to fit different roles, and casters as well, you run into lore issues with some of those just not working. You could hand wave it and say "but for the fun" but then you run into this exact problem with purposely making a job bad and others good. Why when you can have them all good so people can have fun on whatever they like best rather then forcing people to play mechanical styles they hate. I think fundamentally the game isnt designed to have every class be flexible in play style but having every class lets you be flexible. This is also countered by gearing and reduction of class difficuty I honestly think raising the ceiling for all jobs and making people actually learn how to play properly by adding a little more complexity to jobs is the best answer. Maybe not for story content but make the floor of playing not good enough to do extremes or savages. Now when i say floor i mean gray parse people. Those who know what buttons do and hits them time to time but never really pays attention and lets a big cd sit up for 20 seconds and it drifts out of group alignment. Mostly what i am getting at is sometimes what other games have works for them but cant work for everyone. FFXIV isnt built for a class to be highly diversed, look at the problem that was arcanist. Now im no ffxiv dev but this is my personal look on it. Yeah some of the ofher stuff is cool but with it comes problems that would wreck the ecosystem of 14. I think some classes need to get a identity makeover the most before we get any big redefining systems in gameplay.

I'm so tired of the netcode discussion because anytime I bring it up someone just explains to me how it works and why it makes sense. Like I get it, i'ts working as intended and I understand how it works, but is it good tho? You can give me 100 reason why the netcode is the way it is and I will still think it's hot garbage

Love all 3 of these guys and their content but I do feelthis one is perhaps a rare miss. Saying the community can't handle criticism feels like a lazy sterotype.

Honestly, and this is a hot take that no one wants to admit i think, just because you put 27,000 into a game doesnt make your opinion right. Sometimes i feel like streamers live in this echo chambers of validation and reassurance from their communities that they start to believe that they ARE the voice of an entire community, which is so far from the truth. This happened time and time again in the Destiny community. You can look at that game and its "community" and see how divided it is. D2 has gone through so many changes because the "community" (just bigger streamers) wanted changes to the game and they had a platform to yell from. People get defensive against streamers and because, sorry guys (Tood/Frosty/Serenaya) but, YOU dont get to speak for us. Most of the people playing this game are quite happy where it is. Most players never asked any of you to go be our voice. Again, juat because your communities agree with you doesnt mean you should go and voice those opnions as "truth", because it not everyone's truth.

The comment section reinforces so many of the points this podcast episode makes.

damn the people need to chill it's just three of them voicing their opinion there is no need to be hostile about it. the game have ups and down but yeah the community sometimes can be so unhinged and downright cultist over any criticism

This is the main reason I quit is because the fanbase is so stubborn in not taking constructive criticism, not only that but they will ATTACK you for it. I love FF but god damn... I'm playing WoW.

I don't think there is enough irony in the world to have three guys complain about people being emotional and defensive to then turn around 3 minutes later and get emotional and defensive. There are plenty of valid points being brought up here, but presenting yourself as so above it all is just weirdly offputting.

The fanbase has become a bunch of complacent losers man, act like we can’t criticize the game lol

Telling Todd not to read someone's name is part of the larger problem. Those of us that are sick of the insecure gatekeepers aren't allowed to call these people out and deal with the problem. We aren't stopped by the whining degenerates that tie themselves up in a videogame so hard that any perceived negative statement becomes a personal attack against them, we're stopped by the rest of their victims, which is stupid. These people will publicly call you out, insult you, and damage your reputation. Refraining from dragging them out into the sunlight only helps them hurt you.

Counterpoint: FFXIV good

You guys want to be able to call out what you see as stupid but when we can't call out your stupid takes without being labelled as "ffxiv defense foeces" ? Funny how that work.

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Sorry man not watching anything in relation to Llamaweirdo. Dude needs a massive reality check.