i mean... for me 1 series won everything, cuz if he would know to drift it... there s no way he would lose =]] i have a 118D 2.0D 2011, i love it, you can be confortable while drfiting at almost 45 degree angle XD but it s about skills, he does better a racing line then sliding ,witch is normal XD still, i m so impressed , ofc my 2.0D 215Hp wouldn't be able to beat that porche but we re talking about a 1 series beating a porsche XD it s nuts
@Synicade I'm italian. We always had italian cars and lots of problems. Now we have almost only Toyota. The last summer I had the chance to drive a mighty Chevy Suburban for two weeks around California, Arizona, Iowa and Nevada......what a blast! I'm sure I could go to Mars and back with that beauty! Reliable, comfy and absolutely top notch!
+DirtDude117 +pilotagepassion I think you're both saying the same thing. I might be wrong but I think he's talking about the electronics faking a "mechanical" LSD.
Electronics are not LSD. Electronic slip intervention is reactive and a fucking travesty. If you had ever driven a car at the limit EVER in your life you would know this.
"Electronic LSD" is just marketing talk to fool people who don't know much about cars. It has no LSD, the ESP just breaks the inside wheel when it detects spin.
agreed top gear is now utter shit. old cars are all now branded as crap and bits happen to "fall" off. You note how there's always a camera sat at the side of the road to capture an "accident" on a trip. They have a "race" where you have to obey the speed limits-so the car may as well be a cheap family saloon. Again-to film at the side of the road the crew has to go ahead of the car in the "race" to set the camera down to film the car in said "race" speeding past, the crew then put the camera away and catch up again (in their van ! ) to do the same again.
@@knifedance2402 It's nothing to do with them being worse, their doors don't just fall off, accidents don't just happen where a camera is positioned, races where the car that's "racing" against a train etc KEEPS getting overtaken by the film crew to film a driveby shot.... It turned into a shit obviously staged unfunny sitcom, great if you like Allo Allo or you're not really interested in cars.
@@adm924s Oh, that’s completely true. The failures you see sometimes aren’t necessarily due to age, but it is true that older cars are buy-and-large inferior to newer ones.
Fact is, no one will drive their fine German cars like these two maniacs do. I own a Boxster S and I cruise with the top down and enjoy life 90% of time and push it to red line only 10% of the time. It is such a joy to own a fine German car. We live only once and we all should own and drive one, at least once in our life time. Bottoms up(Salute, y fuerze al canute), from Iran
Drifting ? These guys are nuts, these aren't made for drifiting to begin with. It would need more mods to get anywhere Drift ready. how about just track time, becasue that what some owners of these cars will be doing on the weekend. How about just some long trips and let see which car make a better pleasant trips. How about bling factors? Is all related to what most owners would do with their cars.
If it is about power sliding then yes the BMW is better. But if it is about driving in terms of performance the modern Cayman is miles better and is considered one of the greatest cars of all time.
i can assure everyone that there is always at least one comment with the words 'top gear' in every fifth gear video i love both shows, theres nothing wrong with either of them
I'm pretty sure if Tiff was powersliding the BMW, he probably would have got a much higher score than 20. I mean he is a legend behind the wheel of any car.
RKE Photography been pretty solid, here in the US they extended the warranty on the turbo rattle & fuel issues (haven't had either). It's mostly been minor trim stuff which is easy enough to fix (visor mirror plastic, had to caulk the convertible window).
Thanks for the reply! I'm looking for one with 50k miles or less if my budget can stretch. Turbos are the main worry, but taking the buying price into consideration 4-$5000 worth of turbo repair at worst wouldn't be as bad as it sounds...
No vehicle is made to perfection. Our Cayenne GTS has no problems, but our R63 AMG has tons. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't. Doesn't mean every R63 AMG is going to be problematic.
Very true, I'm 25 years old I have driven quite a few high powered cars, I personally rate the S2000 highly in terms of feel, can't imagine how good a non-turbo high revving mid-engine car would feel like.
Finalmente una persona che capisce questa BMW oltre a non avere tenuta di strada ma non ha ne la lancetta della temperatura acqua e ne la ruota di scorta ha plastica che fa schifo e noi Italiani la compriamo e disprezziamo le nostre auto...
No, it's not normal. But the younger audience he's referring to is people around "22 to 30" years I think. Which, in some cases, can already afford one. Have in mind the best selling car car in Europe is the VW Golf from around 20.000€ (27.000 USD).
Yes but European cars are more liked in the US than American cars in Europe ( I think, because I barely see any american cars here in europe, and on the internet I see lots of american bmw fans). But somewhere you are right, american cars are straight line powerhouses while european cars are built more for handing in all situations.
that's absolutely right! I always try to tell people this. On the race track there is no better german car then the M3. M is just made for the Race-Track, AMG is made for fun driving in the city.
I know, its easier to get to know about that on internet. I just say that if somebody wants to buy a car like one of those he should test them and see which one is best for him. Here on YT we (car lovers) are supporting our favorite brand, and talking about specs without many of us even driven any of cars reviewed in this video or any other video like this :D
@Emzieroy, not true. BMW's tag line is "The ultimate Driving Machine", so it had better be able to back it up. In this case, I'd say that it's the Porsche that has the disadvantage, considering the BMW has 60 bhp more, not to mention the extra 100 ft-lbs. And adding mods to the BMW wouldn't necessarily be the answer, especially considering it doesn't need more power.
The thing I hate about 5th gear is they ride together and never swap the cars out to see if they can have a true unbiased opinion and/or driving skills per person.
The prosche is not actually a mid-engined car. It has the engine in the back, situated horizontally. Just as a volkswagen beetle but in a much evolutioned package
Comparing a BMW and a merc doesnt make sense, a Merc is for "fun" driving going mental power slides, brute force. A bmw is more composed, made for handling and control. completely different traits in both cars.
Yeah because even though Porsche makes the fast cars doesn't mean they lead the industry. BMW sells more cars than Porsche ever could. You don't see Porsche driving everywhere. BMW makes cars that last much longer than Porsche too. I have personally seen BMW with way over 500000 miles that still run to this day.
I don't know the porsche cayman, but the 135i actually does not has so racing orientated spring damping. That meaning it should make significant body roll around the column. If replace the shocks and trusts w/ harder damping, and the stock brakes, it should do great on track.
Oh wow... I actually can't choose. I'm sure the Cayman S is a helluva lot better though. I've driven both a 2000 Boxster S and a brand new Cayman, and despite the Cayman being a full generation ahead, the Boxster was much quicker just because it was an S. But... the 135i is twin turbo'd, and I do quite like BMW... it's close.
I get why they are comparing these 2 cars exactly. But the 128 is not a lot cheaper and the porsche Cayman also came with the 3.2 liter for 40k so these cars arent apples to apples on purpose.
@TerminatorTX11 .....Plato won the world touring car championship. Fifth gear had a segment about it. He beat Ben Collins (stig 2.0) by a mile as well.
I can't believe how many people are talking about acceleration... The real thing is time on track, feeling you are getting when driving car, difference of 0.2; 0,3 s more to 60 or things like that are stupid and you hardly feel that. Balance, driving dynamics and many other things are much, much more important!
which is a better buy a 1m coupe or an e92 m3? im most concerned about performance, from what im hearing the 1m coupe can hang with the m3, is this true? i need specifics like any recalls or failures with either models? which layout is better, etc. things like that, i figure since you work for bmw, hopefully as a mechanic, you could really help me out, thanks in advance
@kcirtapnett Maybe the 1M vs the S, but that still adds 10g to the price of the porsche, which kind of breaks the clash between the two in the same price range.
mercs are good for straight lines because their heavy engines are meant for speeding into highways, going to long distances with mountains in a comfort way, handling isnt so great because it isnt meant to tear the streets. i have a 335, but i sure would love a cayman s.
The Cayman is a fabulous car to drive, but the fact that it costs so much more than a Boxster, which is 96% as good to drive as a Cayman, is bollocks - typical Wiedeking era marketeering driven bullshit. I kinda like that the BMW is a bit ugly and understated, and pointless as it is, it's about the only ballgame in town for a smallish, old-school, manual, RWD German coupe that isn't a Porsche.
To be honest if you were in the market for a 2 door sports car you would obviously check out the Cayman and a 135i coupe so they are comparable. You'd also check out the TT, the Brera and some sort of Mercedes... ALL COMPARABLE.
Tell me how the Cayman won that drift contest?!? The last drift by the 135i was the best by far!!! That's what you get when you add subjective tests to any contest. The 135i was 3 for 3 in my book.
LOL "The baby BM". Someone ought to remind these guys that a BM is a bowel movement. I guess they're saying that BMW is shit. Nevertheless, Top Gear rules.
bullshit test, why not the cayman s with 295 bhp instead of the normal cayman with 245 bhp? vs the 135 with 305 bhp??? It should be about performance and not about the price... if you can´t affort the cayman s go buy a bmw 135 i its almost as good as the porsche...almost ;-))
No, it's not the same. It's about similar horsepower. Cayman s 295 bhp is no equal competitor to a nissan gt-r, mismatch. Hope you understood my point.
***** you can have your Nissan, i choose style and sportivity. A porsche still got style, presence, and a fine style. Don't get me wrong, the Nissan is a great car, i owned one myself. But i got me a porsche 911 GT3. I know, the Turbo S is faster, but i found it too expensive for what it is. And with simple chip tuning, i could get a lot more HP. But then the fuel rate goes up A LOT. I have more fun with the porsche than with the GT-R. I'm 37 now, maybe it's my age. lol. No, it's too much money for a Nissan. Hope you can understand that. It loses a lot in value very quickly. A car is a terrible investment, the worst investment there is! Fact!
Dear, Tiff Needell. There may be an opening over at Top Gear (again). If you can end your car monologues with "in The WORLD" I believe the spot is all yours.
I agree to an extent, money affords thing you desire. So if you have all the money in the world, but lets say your not healthy or you have no family then what good is money really? So when people say money can not buy happiness I think that is where they are coming from.
