Fighter Pilots React to F-14 vs SU-57 Dogfight Scene TOP GUN MAVERICK | Mover Ruins Movies Pt 7/8 

Thanks for saying this. Hollywood is about drama, it's about excitement, it's about the 1% of the 1% of 1% of things that are possible. That's why procedural shows are for network television and blockbusters like Top Gun go on the big screen. Some of this stuff might be plausible, and could work under a specific set of circumstances. Is it likely? no. But if Hollywood made movies based on actual physics and laws of probability, movies like Top Gun wouldn't be anywhere near as entertaining. Also, protagonists wouldn't live anywhere near as long in the movies, and the movies would last about 15 minutes - basically 1 minute after all the characters are introduced.

Su35 vs f22 raptor win su35

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I suggest that you check out Macross Plus dogfights. Lots of content there for a pilot to analyze.

For Rooster shooting the flares thing, I think I might have a reasonable explanation. My bet is that it could have been like the one memory he has of his dad talking about his job in the Tomcat.

Same!

#metoo

im changing this comment becuase im getting tired of knowitalls disturbing my peace and quiet.

I came into the movie expecting Ace Combat style air combat, because - as cool as top gun is, it ain’t a documentary. That being said, I love the movie lol

@@moustrout1299 i mean USA alone literally Save the whole world from Aliens quite frequently. Compared to that everything is fairly realistic.

You must be like me: loving on the A10 and its death machine- the GAU-8. so glorious that sound.

I adore the high-pitched VRRRRRRRRRRRRRPPPPP of the M61

Because it doesn't sound like the typical "machine gun" sound. It's too fast.

@@OnYourLeft That's a completely idiotic reason, but probably also correct. It's even dumber considering McTiernan used a (mostly) correct sound for Jesse Ventura's minigun in Predator, way back in the mid-1980's and every action fan loves that scene. Audience aren't as dumb as Hollywood seems to think.

@@madaxe606 - Sometimes directors make some terrible decisions. This is a good example.

yes it is, even in the Tomcat, it is stupidly dangerous though - flipping one side to idle would cause you to depart (and was shown to be contributory to Goose's death in the first movie), why he deliberately cut throttle on one side of his aircraft in this movie knowing what happened last time he applied asymmetric thrust in an F-14, is quite beyond me.

This scene is pure comedy.

Love to see top gun 3 with maverick rebuilding that f14 with upgrades having it dot next to his p51 mustang

@@BlokeOnAMotorbike To be fair, he didn't "apply asymmetric thrust" the last time, it more "happened against his will and without control" due to jet wash.

​@@BlokeOnAMotorbikeja, you do crazy stuff when you're about to get killed I guess.

I know I'm 11 months late to reply, but they're both piolets, it literally says in the video name😂

​@@BloodlessRMZ So the Su-57 guy out-Mavericked Maverick. Which explains perfectly how he missed the chance to spray him dead when the jet was going almost with all its frame against the F-14. Maverick's reckless flight works because no one expects him to do what he does, and everyone else plays by the rules. The moment the fifth gen got him with his own technique, he was shocked

I'd think a pilot in BFM about to gun a supermaneuverable jet would be expecting a cobra and would try to gun it as soon as they pulled that stunt. Unless they were just going way too fast.. and I would assume an F14 would overshoot no matter what, so I dunno.. I just play video games and most of the "skill" in the games is knowing what the bandits capable of, and their tendencies.. I think I would have left myself a comfortable distance in the control zone

True he didn’t have confirm kills in the F18. He did however, eliminate all his students at Top Gun with F18. His streak would be technically be more then 5

@@xlsvtecx Practice runs don't exactly count otherwise I'm pretty sure Jester or Viper would've gotten ace status off of repetedly killimg mavrick at miramar.

@@xlsvtecx technically it wouldn't be more than 5 because they're not confirmed kills.

Thats cause the Tomcat rocks ;)

@@singletona082 ... I'm pretty sure that Viper, having flown jets and been involved in dogfights during the Vietnam War, would also be an actual Ace. As would Maverick's dad who flew with Viper on the mission that he died. Not sure about Jester's military combat bio other than he'd risen to the rank of Lieutenant Commander and was apparently Viper's 2IC at TopGun. Hangman has 2 confirmed kills (apparently) which actually puts him one more than Iceman who only got one in the 1986 dogfight.

They complete each other’s sentences

4:20 the answer we all wanted

@@baghdaddymike6669 and learn to take light humour Mikey. Cheers!!!

I don't really understand any of this, but you are dead on regarding the banter. Gonky and CW are clued in. What fun and educational too.

@@b7knuckles7 Not really..... They had subscribers regardless

Those job titles sounds so awesome if you don't know what they really do. 😂😂😂

@@xCoupDeGracex indeed!

Hell yeah PC!

@@BlackoutWS6 Line Rat. Hahaha

@@xCoupDeGracex yeah buddy, good ol wash days

lmfao

its cool bc i learned the dcs f18 which is literally a video game with the entire f18 systems and physics almost 1:1, and i understand it

The fact that I read that and understood all of it but not really deserves a like lol 😂

@@th1ng1296 I mean… I played Afterburner in the 80s.

Lol same😂

AND NOW A WEEK DELAY!!!😮 Metaphor holds. Time to throw a tantrum and wreck the house. With whom at Paramount do we need to chat?

YAY!! like Christmas, well worth the wait.

How the hell did you post this 8 days before the video was posted- did they actually make a premiere 1 week long…

@@baghdaddymike6669 oh hell nah bruh

Except their planes don't get destroyed, they destroy the others

I thought only rooster sounded excited (given it's his first actual dogfight), Maverick was actually as cool as a cucumber

@@jonnyblayze5149 The US hasn't fought well trained pilots or comparable aircraft since Vietnam.

очень интересно где это американцы воевали в воздушных боях,только в фильмах и играх?

You don't know shit.

Well it's a fictional character with plot armor so..

Wait, there's more? 🤣

Продолжайте думать, что су 57 мало единиц. Вы должны недооценивать Россию.

@@Alex-xb6ku XD

@@Alex-xb6ku Will do cause you guys dont even have air superiority in Ukraine 😂😂😂 Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦.

For real. It only clicked for me I think on my third viewing of the film. What a lovely Easter egg ^_^

then you have awful things like m61 not sounding beefy at 12rps (doesn't need to be a brrrrt since you can use gatling guns in any config below their maximum rate of fire, and the tomcat trying to dogfight with the wings on delta, losing all the speed.

The bad guys helmets also had the same red star from the first movie too on the sides. must be the same country

@@robashley8216 not a star

5:19 also Mav uses a similar move as he did in the first movie, "I'll hit the brakes, he'll fly right by"

Either that or he can read Iranian

Lmfao underrated comment

I think Maverick told Rooster while evading the first missile

Well like I said in another comment before Maverick pulled Roosters papers he was probably in his life alot as he grew up and probably learned alot from Maverick teaching him things.

Rooster just loves flying the F-14 in DCS back on base

Dogfight Tomcat is CGI I thinkk.. one on ship is museum piece

@@billyp9288 the only things they need cgi is the su57 since American dont own this plane

In the aerial scenes it was a CGI F-14 digitally overlayed onto an F-18, like the Darkstar. It's pretty impressive how realistic the CGI F-14 looked. You could have sworn it was a real Tomcat.

@@tsepheletseka5115 Yes, and you can say the same thing about all the other airplanes, because they're all CG at some point.

@@thanhlongnguyen212 they used an F22 I heard.

Com' on , even a 10yo boy know SU57 can blow the F14 within 1 min

@@Yo12327 Yeah no shit.

@@Yo12327 10 year old boys only know video games though.

They were spot on with the sound of the guns though lol. Those weapons fire so quickly that it sounds like fabric ripping apart. But a majority of people have never heard that so it would have seemed fake to them. Except I didn't even notice the guns wrong bc this whole scene was badass.

@@Yo12327and anyone with a brain knows it’s a movie

By the time we the viewers get to this point, we are excited for anything and just happy to see Maverick in an F-14.

i mean top gun never said that its a realistic style movie. Also if they would go for realistic style the movie would be propabbly boring.

nobody including pilots in this video except rus know what su-57 can do, or can not do, see how weak the T-90 is, and su-57 not dare to across the rus border to attack ukraine, plus the infamous flag ship of black sea fleet the Moscow sink by only 2 missiles. actually i dont think su-57 is on par with 5 gen fighter of usa, probably just a brag like T-90 and Moscow. To me it probably just a weaker version of 4gen Su-35 when dogfighting

@@t.gchannel4067 If you are implying that an SU 57 would lose to a Tomcat you are out of your mind.... But yes I agree that the SU-57 is more of a 4.5 gen fighter... they are not up to par to their US counteirparts

I think you meant pilot armor! ta da chiiiiissss I'll let myself out, sorry...

From an aviation nerd perspective, a lot of actions are kinda cringe. *BUT* I’d be lying if this scene wasn’t entertaining as fuck and I wasn’t grinning like a kid during the last 15 minutes.

@@SawdEndymon but I prefer is SU-57 giving more challenge to maverick.

@@boboboy8189 hey 6 minutes of challenge is more than most villains get against main characters ok???

Who are these internet know-it-alls you speak of You think people can't do research ?

@@secretname4190 Well I don't assume I know EVERYTHING, But nice try

@@secretname4190 To you maybe

he wouldn't have needed to split the throttle, if what I've heard is correct, doing something like that would put you in great jeopardy of compressor stall, which for obvious reasons would completely fuck you in a dogfight, but the split throttle thing is far from the most egregious thing in this movie, all the times mav went vertical he should have died, you don't go vertical against an SU-57 that can pull it's nose on you at any time it wants, one strafe would have ended it. And when the SU-57 did that flatspin maneuver, he should have been the easiest target to hit in the world, mav also just watched him go right past him like an idiot, he didn't try to maneuver pre-emptively or anything, he just flew in a straight line....same can be said about mav's cobra maneuver, he was blind for the few seconds his canopy was ontop of the 57, the 57 could have very easily broken off and Mav's radar would not have been able to pick him up and the 57 could have pulled ontop of him and killed him very easily. the director didn't put a whole lot of effort into making the fight remotely believable if fighter nerds can pick it apart so easily, if Mav is supposed to be this godly pilot, he makes a lot of dumb decisions, but the SU-57 is even dumber.

@@secretname4190 evenso, the mainstream audience would have loved the vulcan's gun, that you can't deny, and that is something they missed out on big time, I just can't fathom how they'd overlook that at the very least, the gun sound they used is the most generic machine gun sound in the world.

Bet it ain’t positive coz the movie is the definition of unrealism

@@user-gr9br2js4u Yeah but it’s like they said, I movie should be fun and entertaining. A realistic dog fight in our days it nether fun not entertaining. It’s firing a missle from 50 miles away.

@@user-gr9br2js4u drink your haterade this morning?

I wasn't a fan of the early, realistic shredding debrief / review because the movie was so good relative to what it could've been - especially concepts from 10 yrs ago - UAVs vs jets (💩🔥). Plus the nostalgia was off the charts. But after seeing it 5 times, I very much appreciate the nitpicking. I like hearing from real "stick jockeys" how it would be (or not) in the real world. And yes, the movie could've been even better, but that's not to say it wasn't good enough.

@@user-gr9br2js4u Yeah bro it prolly would be hella fun if they just engaged from 100 miles away without basically seeing anything

odd they included that but gave the f14's 20mm vulcan the worst most generic machine gun sound possible

@@yesyes-om1po I’m really hoping someone releases a sound edit and maybe even small vfx edits

@@mk6315 someone did..and its awesome epic

@@yesyes-om1poThe sound editors probably didn’t have a real sample in their sound bank.

Not equal,more like inexperience with SU-57. 5th gen doesn't even need to chase if he keep spamming missiles. It's not like F-14 has plenty flares either

@@boboboy8189 honestly how could he have experience with SU-57 when Russia can't even build this aircraft 😂 To me SU-57 even existing apart from test/training units is the most unrealistic thing about this movie

Not in the slightest. Even the testbed SU-57's would have immediately eaten the F-14 for lunch. Period. In every category.

@@shade9272 except speed. Also, don’t overestimate a low budget plane

@@terskataneli6457 meanwhile AMERICA build 200 F22 and cant even use it anywhere 🤣🤣🤣 joke

Это тошнотворная чушь. Су-57 и половины мощи не показал. И на секундочку почему у су-57 наведение барахлит в рельефе, а у ф-14 нет?... Ой, забыли! Таких ляпов ещё поискать.

That Tomcat would have been an A model (that’s the only version that was ever sold to a foreign nation) and it is much closer to a 3rd gen with the old analog AWG-9 radar. The F-14D was a true 4th gen with the digital AN/APG-71. Cool scene any way you look at it.

​@@cascadesouthernmodeltrains7547stop acting like you know s#it. You don't know what irans military did in a sense of upgrades. Just shut the phuk up

🇸🇰🤝🇷🇺 ......... Z ✌

welcome to hollywood comedy- club there is nothing strange , mavercick can single handly destroy whole russian air force with the f14

yeah..kinda like in old Top Gun every time they fired they switched to the SP/PH position indepently of what launched in the next shot (sometimes a sidewinder others a Sparrow)

I guess the label tape fell off of it.

He hasn’t flown the Tomcat in 20 years or more though.

@@CWLemoine but he’s Maverick

@@braydenseims905 good point.

​@@CWLemoine maverick ejected at mach 10 with a classified skunk works jet and went straight to a diner cause he was thirsty..he could easily fly a tomcat..he could do anything

That's like saying "in his defense, he's a Roman legionaire who trains daily with his armor and spear. Meanwhile the bad guys are probably lucky to drive their Abrams tank once a month."

No way you saw a super hornet in 97

@@dewizle5026 my man, the Super Hornet started making its first carrier landings Jan 18, 1997. My ship the Carl Vinson on its 97' cruise was its first West Pac test. So, i actually did. Maybe do your research before trying to imply i was lying.

@@dewizle5026 furthermore, the Super Hornet program started in 1992. Just a little more information for ya whizzle

@@dewizle5026 1999 is when the Navy put it into full service. Funny you think thats when the Super hornet was i introduced? Lmao. Nice try though.

"It isn't the umbrella, it's the rain"

@@RecklessFables umbrella, holder, but yeah you get the idea

It's also not really always true. A great driver in a yugo will not beat a mediocre driver in a ferrari. And that F14 vs Felon fight had some - .... hollywood shit added to it.

“It’s not the spreadsheet …. It’s the data analyst.”

“It’s not the toaster, it’s the pop tart”

the problem is the wings were in auto so the wings being back means he is going really fast (600ish) and at that speed the split throttles thing wouldnt work much save for making you roll.. the maneover as seen would need to be done much slower so the wings would be out

Well said. Somebody with Tomcat knowledge.

Yeah, but IIRC, the A didn't have a ground attack mode. I believe that came with the B. I'm not a pilot, but I believe Ward Caroll mentioned it and I'm very sure it was the late, great, "Snort" Snodgrass that spearheaded the effort to convert it

A is for Air to Air and B is for Air to Ground, just like F-35A B and C.

@@taskforce0584 The F35 versions denote which military branch they are used by

And we blame you both for making us watch the film again - on our Saturday morning. What a great film, regardless of the flaws us non-pilots didn't realize. Thanks Mover and Gonky..

It shouldn't matter too much; maybe not as dramatic as it would be in the Tomcat; but it should do something.

@@fightingfalconfan It's for that exact reason flat spin did happen to Tomcats. (apparently). I'm no pilot, just what I heard.

@@fightingfalconfan I mean its physics. The larger lever you have (the more spaced out the engines are), the asymmetric thrust rapidly increases its effectiveness.

I flew the F-15E for 18 of my 32 years in the USAF and when flying CAS you'd better know how to split the throttles because radical maneuvers simply HAVE to be made from time to time. I sure as hell was NOT going to lose the first Eagle EVER in combat. You'd be shocked at how significant the effect is. The -E has two big, powerful engines attached to a relatively large aircraft and even a 15% variance in thrust combined with proper control input can make that bird move directions that you wouldn't think possible. 🙂

@@itsjustme8947 first off; thanks for your service. As for the movie. I honestly didn't think it could happen to that extent. Not like vectored thrust.

Killed ANOTHER Bradshaw

Was thinking the same thing. In TFC, all you heard.., was ZMMMMMM..!! - Splash 2 - Repeat.. Splash TWO......! ;)

@@GaGe56Me I always laugh at how ignorant they are with firearms. They do safety and hammer sounds with a glock all the time and pump shotguns can be pumped every time they point it. lol Unlimited ammo in a magazine or cylinder is a must too.

I believe "Bogey" refers to an unidentified aircraft, and a hostile aircraft is "Bandit". I watch alot of Ward Carroll, so I like to pretend that I know what I'm talking about

I believe you meant E2 Hawkeye. The C2 Greyhound is the cargo version, that has the dish and electronics removed.

@@99bimmer bogey is unidentified, bandit is a confirmed enemy aircraft that's not shooting. take into account the scene where the SU-57 gets into position to shoot maverick but doesn't do it as an example. and a hostile is a bandit that has fired guns, etc at you.

Yes, well it is a movie, and it is awesome - even if not always "accurate" it still kicks - six ways from Sunday!

Bogey is an unidentified right?

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@@user-qn3xu5ee3t Potentially, if, instead of merely splitting your throttles, you tear them completely asunder like Maverick did.

@@user-qn3xu5ee3t Um... nope.

@@jonnyj. Actually, he’s most likely right, for a couple reasons. First, the TF30 was a highly unreliable engine, and was highly sensitive to rapid throttle movements like you see Maverick make. He’d likely have coughed both engines instantly by smacking the throttles around like that. Secondly, the TF30 was highly intolerant of disturbed airflow due to high angles of attack and side slip, so again Mav likely would’ve coughed his engines. The Tomcat’s gigantic straight intakes were supposed to fix that, but they didn’t. However, assuming the engines survived Mav’s ham-fisted throttle movements, the engine in Zone 5 would’ve had a marginally better chance of staying lit than the idling engine, but that leads into point 3, which is that because of the very wide spacing of the engines, the huge thrust asymmetry caused by such a large throttle split would’ve put the Tomcat into an unrecoverable flat spin, possibly aggravated by one or two dead motors. I would think that the worst split you would dare in the Turkey would be Max AB/Mil power, for no more than a second.

They could have at least used a minigun

it sounds less cool than even the original TopGun

I'm guessing the sound effects guys picked that low cyclic rate gunfire because they thought the audience would understand it better. However, in my opinion, that was still a mistake of a decision, because the "BRRRRRRRRRT" of 4000-6000rpm electrically-powered rotary cannons has already long since entered public consciousness due to all the videos of the A-10 firing the GAU-8. Basically, nowadays even the common person would realize what the real sound means: REALLY FAST rate of fire.

@@cykeok3525 I think Final Countdown is the only movie that shows the correct sound of the M61

Are you a Russian spy? I'm onto you!!!!

@@alphakennyone8 I'm Russian and I'm watching you. 8D

my thoughts exactly

I believe mav told rooster where the flares were in an earlier scene.

Huh? The most unrealistic😂 not in this movie!

It's not about that maneuver. It's about the application of that maneuver in that situation. It's also really a Show of Force moment for the 5th-gen fighter pilot, but it may also have revealed this pilot as a inexperienced overconfident and hotheaded young gun in Maverick's view. And Maverick immediately decided to drop the fight and run, which proved to be a working trick.

@kshamwhizzle it's not super technologically advance because they use outdated SAM. Russia has S-400 which can beat all the aircraft even with flares

@@ruiliu4157 that's the plot armour, they make enemy as incompetent but forgot about plot armor is still strong. Why the third SU-57 didn't detect hangman shooting missile at him? Why SU-57 friendly fire can beat another SU-57 but not F-14? What I will do is hangman came to fight SU-57 which is more realistic

@@boboboy8189 There are too many possibilities why the last Su-57 got splashed by Hangman. Most planes got shot down in battle without awareness at all, which is reality, not plot armor. Not sure why near-extinct Su-57 has so many diehard followers. I think the Su-57 has too much propaganda armor instead.

It doesn't matter if the plane could do that. Once you're locked on, you are locked on and there's no way to shake it. In real life, all the SU-57 pilot did was slowed his plane down and made it easier for the missile to get him

​@@Excalibur01wrong

@@jonnyblayze5149but he’s not tho

@@jonnyblayze5149he’s right my g, the missile doesn’t care.

Yeah they can do that, it’s called the Kvochur’s Bell manoeuvre