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#FreeKyosuke

I haven't watched yet but Lk downplaying once again

My favorite Dustloop note is the one on Missing Link Potemkin's 5P: "10f jab. We're off to a great start."

Fun fact: In BBCT, Tager was so thicc that he could command grab himself from round start distance.

Iron Tager's collison box with other characters is misaligned with the corner, there's a tiny gap no matter what enabling the crossup. They literally just didn't notice 💀

The thing crofts is forgetting about marvel 3 sentinel is that he got massively nerfed 3 times. He was a staple anchor for the game all throughout vanilla

Hey LK, these videos are sick. I do think if you bring a Tekken/Soul Calibur person for a terrible/broken moves they'd have picks for days. Tekken in particular has so many horrendous moves

Something they didint mention with Tager as well was his knockdown hitbox was also thicc af so pretty much the entire cast had unique OTG combos that only worked on him.

I love this series. KEEP IT UP

I love Tager. Him being bad doesn't mean he isn't the coolest grappler of all time! I hope for a new BB fighting game just so Tager gets brought into the spotlight sometime!

I love Iron Tager! My favorite grappler. Magnetism is such a neat solution to a big body issue which is getting in.

21:40 i think i know why tager can be crossed up thr... i make fighting games and usually when 2 characters are almost in the same place, the game tries to push them apart based on the x value of the middle of the character (think graphs). i think tager is just so wide, that Litchi's entire character can fit on one side of him ( and her x value is in the middle of her sprite), thus her x value in the corner will always end up behind him, and the game pushes them apart accordingly.

Hey, man. I have a thing for game design, and your list of "reasons why someone play 'x' archetype" was very interesting. Do you plan to continue it, especially for rushdown and puppet archetypes?

Bruh, Tager is SO much worse y’all don’t even know. This Tager doesn’t even have gadget finger yet, so his BnB’s always end with 5D and pushes the character across the screen. Your only hope with Tager is to either electrify your opponent and have this huge gap that is SO easily exploitable by literally most the cast, or to drop the combo and not electrify so you’re somewhat close. He’s DOODOO

18:11 One small benefit Kyosuke did have though, was he had one of the only infinites in CVS2. Good luck ever landing it though.

15:50 aka the reason why day 1 umvc3, jwong was like "i'ma make iron fist work" and by day 6 he was back to storm and gang Mans could not launch unless the opponent was grounded

With Tager, it would seem that his hurtbox is so large that his centre is technically not in the corner than allows him to be crosses up like that. Which is messed up but CT was full of jank.

The point about being able to combo + use meter in old games being rare and so true, I felt that so hard when I started playing 3rd strike and I picked Alex and I learned your longest combo is j. hp into cl. mk into light chop into SA2 and cl. mk into light chop is basically your only combo in general

while LK did mention gatlings not working on most characters standing, CT Tager is so bad that they don't work on CROUCHING COUNTERHIT. You literally can not combo with this character, it's so bad. Hell, when they fixed it in CS, he didn't get it, he still couldn't combo neutral buttons standing until CS:Extend.

I remember people thinking Tager was good when BBCT was fresh. My group had a pair of tier enthusiasts playing grapplers for the first time because of that disinformation 😌

Juggernaut being able to cancel all normals into 2 frame command grab whiff makes him not so bad. That's the reason why he lost chains actually. That command grab was actually broken.

Man, I didn’t actually know about Kyosuke’s launchers and air combos! Shame he’s terrible. Kyosuke is waaaay too cool to be bad.

need more of these videos because they're so entertaining that i get sad when they end lmao

XvSF Juggernaut is easily better MvC2 Juggernaut. The reason is because XvSF Juggernaut has a command grab. As a command grab it is pretty bad (no range, can be teched) However, when whiffed, the command grab has very little recovery. This means he can cancel his normals into his command grab to drastically reduce the recovery animation. With this tech, his double fist (f+hp) becomes a much better poke and it just makes his normals safer overall. While you can’t combo into his launcher from lights in xvsf, the hitbox and active frames are much better. Not having to deal with assists is huge. He does really well against overly aggressive rushdown characters with his tank style of play. Also having access to his mediums for space control is huge. There is no need for ground chain combos. The only combo you need is button into head crush or team super which is hit confirmable. While XvSF is all about infinites, MvC2 is all about mobility and Juggernaut has some of the worst mobility in the game. He also gets eaten up alive by invincible anti air assist. The Storm vs Juggernaut match up is probably his worst match up in XvSF but it is even worse in MvC2 due to the assist system.

I really like these videos when you guys takes turns sharing knowledge with each other!

there's a reason why back in my early 20's when CvS2 was fresh, all my friends and I called Kyosuke, KyoSUCKe... dude got dealt a TERRIBLE hand in CvS2. shame cause we rarely get Rival Schools people outside of their series and the first(?) time they do it this bad. Batsu in Tats and Akira in SFV got a much better go at things.

Juggernaut really isn't so bad. It's really hard to break throws in X-menvSF, and he does so much damage that one combo into throw reset is a dead character.

Honorable mention goes to Gannon for historically being low midish in one game and near or absolute bottom in all the other games he's in

This type of videos are always entertaining

Baby, you haven’t been playing Ultimax 2.0 (pls do though) and it shows. Yukiko (and especially shadow yukiko) is widely considered cracked. At least A+ tier and S for shadow. Not having an anti air is the only thing that’s preventing her from being the most broken character that has ever existed. With 75 meter she has an uncounterable corner unblockable reset that hits for like 7k. I can send you videos of the best Japanese yukiko doing it multiple times

Honorable mention goes to MKX Shinnok, who was literally released with moves missing

Man, knowing how much Capcom makes it’s titles unpurchasable hurts my heart a bit :/

lmaoo i love that every legacy bb player has this particularly exclusively similar take about arakune 💀 @ 23:49

I don't think Juggy in Xmen vs SF is THAT bad. I mained him. You could do standing jab, strong, then super. His command grab was really good too. Canceling forward fierce with the command grab was my go to.

would be cool to see a video about umineko golden fantasia.

I think Missing Link Axl Low deserves a mention. His supers are unsafe ON HIT

Yo your guys collaborations are working for the algorithm I'm seeing your videos for each channel with your colabs

Special shout out to the original Guilty Gear Potemkin, who is probably the worst character in all of Guilty Gear. Which is quite the statement because Potemkin couldn't catch a break for half of the series.

Juggernaut doesn't have ground chains because he can cancel his normals into his whiffed command grab, which is just like, 2 frames. So he can do stuff like, forward + HP into whiffed command grab, and he can just do it again for pressure, since he'll be technically safe on block. He can also combo either his HP throw or command grab into his launcher (corner). And god help you if the player knows how to do the combo that ends in the command grab, so he can relaunch you or just finish you off with a super

this content is awesome btw loving these collabs

I think Juggs is actually ok street fighter vs x-men. You failed to mention hit command grab cancels and he has one of the better supers.

When blackjugger vs jmcrofts?

Think this just proves that most fighting game moves are just mentally good rather than practical.

Woof takes me back to when I was writing all the Achievement guides on BBCT for all the combos. I mained Tager, and one thing that made most matches easy in ranked was to not get stuck on the ground. Unless you were using him to pull the magnet grab. Lol

JUGGERNAUT PUNCH I'M JUGGERNAUT

Didn’t some of the characters have infinite block strings on Tager in CT that he couldn’t get out of if he didn’t burst? It would end in him getting guard broken.

the editing in this is so good

Soulcalibur IV Maxi is up there. On successful *counterhit* you usually had a 30% chance of not taking damage.

i hope this becomes a series, there is a lot to cover

watching this makes me think of how bad Launcher was in Vanilla DNF Duel 😭 - Her fastest non-throw normal was frame 10 - She has literally 0 overheads, all her jumping buttons hit mid (in the current version this is made up for with great corner carry and zoning, plus extremely threatening strike/throw mix in the corner) - 6MS didnt combo into anything midscreen without white life to conversion cancel, so in a game with near-ToDs her best midscreen combo was often just 5AA 5S 236MS or 5AA 4S if you wanted oki - None of her B normals could be canceled, meaning she always had to deal with A starter scaling on close hits - Her j.B projectiles had a tiny hitbox and could just randomly be minus if blocked depending on the timing of the last bullet - Launcher's one saving grace was her strong corner pressure and corner combo damage if she managed to get you there, but her midscreen combos for the most part ended with her opponent at fullscreen in a game with fullscreen neutral skips

dang, that capcom bit was really interesting i never noticed that until now

Tager in CF like all grappler is a total menace If he gets in but in a game with izanami and nine thats really hard for him

Good stuff here!! 👍

I really enjoy this series, this is so cool

man poor tager, not to mention in CT he also just got wrecked by guard libra, too.

LOVE this series!

Yall should do an Video With FGC Tier list!

tager might be trash, but he's the has the greatest disrespects in all of fighting games. juggling you with magnets for half the round and commiting robbery with overdrive command grab for like 60%.

it is a shame to hear about tager, the idea of his mechanic sounds amazing for a grappler =.

I mean vanilla SF4 is in USF4 so you get to play it without the unblockable ultra bug

I saw Tager And Was about To Drop a Whole Essay Over Here Lmao But It's Calamity Trigger I'd Say he is Pretty Decent In Central Fiction

Why would they not give juggernaut magic? His entire gimmick is momentum, once he gets going he can’t be stopped, that‘s basically perfect for those types of Gatling systems

Sick vid fam.

Yukiko not having a proper 2B anti-air was such suffering. You had to just hope your opponent would push buttons in air at the right time to dead drop counter and maragi follow up. Most of the pros dropped her so hard in P4AU because Arc decided she needed a damage nerf and harder combos for no extra reason, sad she's now just shadow version memes at best

Love both of these fellows

wtf is with juggernaut's hurtbox? what's the difference between blue boxes and green ones?

What's your outro song?

Been loving the broken moves series, happy to see it expanded with bad characters too!

Calamity Trigger Iron Tagger turned out to be catastrophic tragedy.

Isn't Kyosuke's normal DP a launcher? Or cant you air combo (magic) off that if they jump in? I could swear there was more to his, I used to like him.

what's the name of the song from 4:00?

There’s something ironic about Kyosuke being one of the worst characters in CVS2. IIRC one of the people who were in charge of making CVS2 either worked on or was a fan of Rivals Schools and that’s why he’s on the cover art of the game.

Rock Howard in garou

We need more gamers on here, man. Even episodes featuring multiple ppl would be tight

What are you playing xmen vs street fighter on???

I’d lord knight a anime fighter expert? Gonna have to tune into this channel

Do any of you guys think jam will ever come to strive?

I reallly like the Ann wallpaper in your PS4. I will most likely main her if P5A becomes a reality.

Just as a guess regarding the tager crossup thing. I think it might be simply that he's too wide. It probably compares the middle point of the hitboxes of the characters to determine which side you're on. But with Tager it's possible to cross his midpoint without any excess space in the corner. Simply because his hitbox is so big.

That Wind Waker noise though

i use iron tager lika a champ! cant wait to show all!

I deadass thought you were watching one of JMcroft's videos so when he responded to you I almost jumped out of my skin LMAO

these collars are great

It seems to me that Knight knows very little about fighting games, I am 5 mins in, everything he tried to say is either factually wrong or/and corrected by crofts

It really does suck how many Capcom fighting games are trapped I at least have some hope for street fighter x Tekken

should look at GG1 Potemkin cuz god damn

Iron Tager was rated high in the beginning? Which beginning!? The first 30 seconds of the games release? Chile!!!!! This brings back some memories! I was a tager main back in the BBCT days, and they were dark. So many Jin mains with their 5B jump cancel mixups, Rachel mains having free reign to do whatever & Nu........Nu was the worst for me. I had people immediately counterpick with her if I hovered over Tager in tournaments. Luckily outside of the true Nu mains I was able to beat them, but the struggle to get in close range against a character that could jump cancel all of her drive buttons wasn't a pleasant experience. I will say that despite the struggle playing him, I have to credit him for making me a better player in a way. There was one day we were all playing guilty geat accent core. My main was Potemkin, so I was more of a threat with him. I started to notice whenever my crew would switch from GG to BB my playstyle would change dramatically. With Pot I was AAing more, setting up more tick throw set ups & just overall being a complete menace since Pot was extremely good in thay game. In BB I was extremely passive, never anti aired & I was nothing more than a combo dummy in close range. One day when we switched over to BBCT, I didn't immediately realize how aggressive my Tager play was until I had a 6 game win streak against my crew. Made me realize that even those 2c was a subpar AA. I might as well use it, so I did & so the rachel main & Jin mains had to respect me more when closing the distance. Suddenly I can to the realization that I could instand block Jin's 5b and punish him with a command throw thanks to either I-frames or the quick start up of my 720. Now the Jin players were really forced to mix up with jump cancels to keep me guessing, but the instant overhead setups weren't working as much. Rachel was still a pain thanks to all of her tools, but I was able to squeeze out some wins on a regular basis. Nu.............yeah.......I f***ing hated her still. Still a frustrating matchup, and my win rate improved marginally at best. Only fought a carl main once & I'm truly grateful it was only once. Never felt so defenseless in a matchup before in my life.

Wait, why can't you buy lost planet 2????

Lk lookin like Chris rock in season 4 of Fargo.

LordKnight has grey hair!? How long have I been asleep?

Great partnership, you guys work well together

As bad as Jug was in XMenVsSF, he was ok in his preceeding game, MSH (the one with the gems).

Hearing about how so many characters in fighting game are just completely terrible makes me so depressed. Like what’s even the point in playing any characters you like if people are just gonna shit on you like crazy for it.

Every time i watch a video like this i see at least one character i have mained xd

W collab

CT Tager is bad enough to be a meme in Tagercord and that entire discord is a meme in itself

Marvel Super Heroes Juggernaut is Amazing

Hey as long as he isn’t shitting on my man Hakumen we cool

damn not lost planet 2...

Bu-But... but... real Soviet damage!