Film Theory: Beauty and the Beast's OVERLOOKED Tragedy 

Or worse, a sorceress...

Or even worse I.R.S

WELL NO DUH!!!! What would any logical person do in this situation? It screams of STRANGER DANGER!!!!!

@@insertusernamehere8324 I guess that's the thing though, Fairy Tails don't run on modern day logic. Though Disney did create that plot hole themselves.

Or even worse... a hungry Hispanic woman

Lol ROASTED!!!

Nor arm hair

And I mean, you can SEE his forehead. Eyes, ears… So hyperbole is CLEARLY a thing. Not like I myself ever casually say I've been friends with someone "for a decade" when it's like seven years. No, people NEVER do that. 🙄

Also, Lumière CLEARLY has NO reason to *exaggerate* for sympathy. None!

Ellie B. But given that the prince still had to find true love before he turned 21 means that if they were in that state for more than 4 years, it should have been met with youthful indiscretion... Also the Character Gaston is known for his boasting, Lumiere is not.

Actually more likely 9 or 10 yr old. Math isn't Matt's strong suit. Probaly on his 10th birthday given fact he turned 21 on roof

Moral of the story: when you find a stranger at your door at night, it's probabbly best to get an adult to answer it.

Miss Amanda's world ‘maths isnt matts strong suit’ lmao im DEAD

To be fair he said at most eleven , but you're right though

Mental problems even

Maybe it is about puperty. You'll get hair all over, be overdramatic and think your life will end if you don't find a mate soon...

Amen to that

What I don’t get that

If he is a beast and he also had to go through puberty since he is technically half beast and half human, more beasty but still, how did he manage to make it through that?! @-@ Beast instincts and puberty..... oh ma gawd does he have a mating season too?!

XD

+Nerdicaful I love this theory, because fairy folk are usually depicted as vengeful and petty in folklore. Or to have another Disney movie example, let's compare her to Maleficent. She cursed a helpless baby to die in her teens, just because her Parent's didn't invite her to her boring-ass christening. The only reason she isn't dead is because the last fairy lightened the sentence to a Century sleep. I'm guessing Maleficent and this Fairy hung out in the same circles.

+Nerdicaful Not to mention that he lives in a castle. Usually if a child lives in a castle his parents have already arranged his marriage before the poor thing has pubes.

+AnsticePalo haha you have made me laugh :p

+Nerdicaful i believe what your saying is true. THE BEAST WAS AN 11 YEAR OLD WHO WAS DOING WHAT AN 11 YEAR OLD SHOULD DO IN HIS SITUATION. the beast was an 11 year old kid who didn't let -an enchantress- a witch who weirdly enough, dressed up as an old lady and asked a kid who was alone at his castle if she can stay at his castle, and was going to reward him with a rose. a child his age would have said no in the first place, and the enchantress cursed him anyway for doing the right thing. he might of not done it just because he thought the enchantress looked like an old hag. he was probably doing the thing a kid of his age should of done, getting cursed anyway. how was he supposed to find a girl who would truly love him if he was in his castle for 10 years and if he was to go into the village and try to find a girl who was like belle, every girl would run away from him, and every man would try to kill him. he never got to socialize, talk to people, or talk to women his age. the enchantress is the evil one to me because she ruined the life of an 11 year old for 10 years of his life (during puberty)

+Nerdicaful This really doesn't make any sense. As he said, Cogsworth should have been the one to answer the door, and in all likely hood was. When the woman asked to come in Cogsworth would have had to call the prince to the door to ask his permission before allowing her to enter because the prince is the master of the house. He would have had an adult in next to him to make him feel comfortable and safe so the decision to cast her out wouldn't have been made because he was afraid of her. Also, back in those times, everything and everyone was disgusting. At wedding in today's times men walk on the right side of the woman holding her right hand with his left hand. This tradition originated because buildings were on the right of the streets and when people used chamber pots (buckets to piss and shit in) they would throw them out the window and onto the street below. It was considered the man's duty to stand between the woman he was with and the human waste that fell. The intro song where Belle avoids the water being poured out of the house by holding her hand up to deflect it is supposed to represent how she could could have life easier if she had a husband. (They also cleaned it up by making it just water) The prince seeing someone who looked ugly shouldn't have put him off enough to be afraid because truthfully, that was the norm. The last thing I would need to say is that most people back then died before they were twenty. He was already middle aged when this happened. People of eleven were treated just about like adults. Even if we today wouldn't think that way, the society of the time would have viewed him as capable of making that decision. He wouldn't have the "I'm a kid so I don't know what's going on." card to play back then.

Marie exactly! I always wanna know why everyone doesnt know there is a big cadtle there

Marie maybe ;)

+Cpn. Beartato I personally believe they thought the royal family was either very laissez-faire or mysteriously disappeared. The thought that a Beast could have slaughtered them would have given them reason to think he was a threat. Note that everyone knew the way to the castle WITHOUT any instructions. Maurice and Belle would not have known because they had only recently moved to that village :).

Jonquil Gemstone true true!! i also thought it was cuz it was part of the curse or something but i like what you think

(Pls add this to the theory too)

Noice

Rlly good

Good point.

Yeah makes sense. She may have come to test the boy and make sure he’s a better ruler then the parents

Dope theory

And getting a girl to love you becomes even more impossible after she turns hin into a beast. I genuinely think the fairy never intended him to break the curse.

On point a, ESPECIALLY when this seems to be set right around the French Revolution. The powers that were, were probably busy hiding for their lives. So intentionally letting a peasant in is just stupid and potentially suicidal.

Ikr

@@amyness3452 yea, I think why we don't see his parents was bc his parents were beheaded before the situation. The old lady most likely hated royals(like basically every peasant in france) and cursed him so they could suffer.

Its even worse since in some versions of this tale he and all the utensils dont just stay like this forever after the rose wilts away, they all die when that happens

He knows how but physically doing it as beast the table ,anners would be difficult. And after sktuation with enchantress he didn't know how to handle Maurice

Miss Amanda's world Crazy old Maurice, huh? Craaazy old Maurice....

FrankLightheart HI don't thin. Prince Adam aka the beast saw Maurice as crazy but do to enchantress he didn't want to turn a guy whom was little older into the cold even when let him go he in his way made sure he had safe way.to get home. he was embarrassed hence the temper at the start he had succeeded in keeping himself hidden for 10yrs.

Whilst I believe in this theory since the evidence is right there in the movie, why when they are telling the story the prince is designed as an adult. You could say that was an incorrect portrayal of what actually happened. But there is a painting of him that he claws which definitely shows that he is older than 11, a teenager at most. How was this plot point overlooked?

+Pizza was here well probably cause it's a disney movie and they can't make it seem too cruel so they design him as an adult to mislead people from the fact that he was a child.

Confuzledish Well teacups dont really age like people so its probably the latter. But I'm hoping that the teapots can make sweet babies by the fire.

Confuzledish I mean, that's not to go into all the other numerous questions about the movie. Where are the Beasts parents? Why has no one noticed that the 'royal family' suddenly is gone? Why does Beast have an artist rendition of himself as an adult when he got cursed at 11? What's with all the faceless plates, utensils, hundreds of other teacups, etc.?

Confuzledish All good questions

Confuzledish I don't know who would knock up an old woman, maybe that day someone abandoned a baby and he started off as a thimble before burning into a teacup? I dunno man...

Confuzledish All kidding about "applying logic to fairy tales" aside, the most likely situation is that all the castle staff became ageless when they were transformed. Ergo, Chip was probably six or seven when he was turned into a teacup, and remained that age until the curse was broken, after which point he started aging normally again, i.e., not magically turned into a 16-year-old boy.

You are absolutely correct. Although, I would argue that although this is not a case of Stockholm Syndrome, and is instead a case of a long-running romance trope: Abduction As Romance. There's a video by the channel Pop Culture Detective that breaks down the trope perfectly, I've put the link below if you want to check it out - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-t8xL7w1POZ0.html

nah it’s stockholm syndrome

I don't know much about Stockholm syndrome and I respect your opinion, but I think if you were kidnapped, no matter what happens or the kidnapper's personality, a reasonable sane person wouldn't naturally fall in love with said kidnapper. Especially since he treated her so badly in the first half of the movie. It might've been a mix of both though. It could've been weak feelings of attraction or sympathy being emphasized by Stockholm syndrome as well.

@brokenandcracked Thank you! If anyone is confused about what Stockholm Syndrome is, or just likes smart commentary on BatB (and other Disney films), Lindsay Ellis has a great video: Is Beauty and the Beast About Stockholm Syndrome?

@@gin5780 But he didn't technically kidnap her did he? I mean Belle went to save her father, and agreed to STAY as his prisoner, I guess that could count but Idk

ikr

Right?! I was so caught off guard when it ended so shortly

i was so confused as to how he got to his point so fast omg

SAMMEEE

Same

Omg I have that book

I have it. It’s so good!! I have 4 of them. As old as time- Beauty and the Beast Let it go- Frozen Part of your world- The little Mermaid And the Aladdin one (I forgot the name)

Galaxy Potato wait Isint the frozen one Conceal don’t feel And the Aladdin one is A Whole New World..

Zara The Unicorn no, the frozen one is Let it Go because I got it for Christmas, but thanks for reminding me of the Aladdin one. 😁👍

I have mother knows best ( Mother Gothels backstory )

Nicki Messer which might have been murder a bunch of servants. We'll never know

InfernosReaper True, it's kind of amazing how much detail movies can give and leave some threads for people to try and tie together.

InfernosReaper Well the castle must have been furnished before the curse, so I imagine those things was never alive.

Yemto Which begs the question, "did the servants get turned into furniture or merged into furniture?"

InfernosReaper I think they were turned into furniture because the beast was a boy before he was turned.

This is underrated.

*cutlery*

I never realised till you pointed it out

Imagine him trying to hug them or play with them just makes the story even more sad

@@feiwnakausvkaxbdkebkswowbq8331 Thats.... god that makes it even worse. He'd be so strong even as a tot just trying to be kind could be deadly for the now enchanted servants.

animagusurreal (Actually, the dog isn't present in the stage version, but if we count that as a possible explanation for the film as well...seriously, what did the dog do to make the prince more spoiled?!)

+animagusurreal He is a Dog. He probably did not even realized he was turned into anything. And Chip was turned because a childreen is suposed to stay with his parents. If he stayed a normal kid he would die in the forest probably killed by the wolfs or starvation.

Actually do to factChip is 7 at most as human child at end of movie he looks 5 to me he had to be conceived after the curse.

+Miss Amanda's world OR they simply didn't age - at least in the human sense - during those ten years.

Winter Phoenix Bbut we never see a male tea pot.

MATHMATICAL GUY wow

wow

WOW

Wow

Wow, what a well articulated response for the RU-vid comments section!

What's FNAF

@@sivaranjani3860You can't be serious.

@@codelerias I really don't know...

@@sivaranjani3860 There are tons of FNAF videos on Game Theory. That should help :)

@@sivaranjani3860 horror game

yea pretty much whether or not you see the straight-to-dvd sequels as canon they pretty much acknowledge their plotholes and continuity errors in those films

@@intergalacdab9191 like witch ones

@@intergalacdab9191 there's also the fact that the live action remake tried to backtrack and fix the "plot hole" by saying everything was frozen in time at the castle and everyone was made to forget them.

I agree with most of your points. But Mulan is not a kid, you know. She is old enough to get married. In fact, her story is one of the best movies Disney has ever made.

Yeah, Mulan was one of my favorites, so I agree to a point, but in early Asian culture (actually most cultures) in the year 400 (around when Mulan took place), they began getting paired off and married by 14 or 15, which is how old she would be when going to see the matchmaker. Granted people usually died around 40, so everything happened younger back then, so in Mulan's case I'll say she gets a pass since it was fairly normal.

+Katniss Prior I would like to point out that back then people would marry off 12 year olds. It wasn't always where you could only marry around 17 or 18. Once you were fertile for sex you were married off to some guy who would benefit the family.

#ButtleFail

+Katniss Prior but Mulan is not and never was a Princess. Not sure why she is called one considering she was never royalty. I wouldn't wanna be noted amongst those prissy simmering useless vapid little...Ok I could go on forever....

@Jade Snavely I don't know - maybe any sane person?

I feel bad for him ... I actually very agree to this theory

Man, if I had a dime for every time that happened…I’d be broke

He was 10/11

@JM Reyes ARMY REVELUV Don't you think that if Snowhites stepmother really could turn snowhite into an ugly biest just like that she would?

aquamarine ancient soul ?

@@cool_kai3298 I mean, it could've been the butler or the maid who opened the door. Why would the PRINCE do that?

@@lucidrii1490 he wanted a cookie from the fridge

Yeah fr pretend u aren’t home or something LOL

She was a sorcress despite disney trying to play her off as enchantress. She just mean and kind of wicked

I agree.

Kyra Davis same

I guess you could say that the sorceress was the real beast the whole time.

Kyra Davis yeah

It's because she wanted to test someone's kindness. :)

But Be Our Guest is a practiced number. Its obvious that for those ten years all they've been doing is practicing for when a guest comes. Also Lumiere exaggerates about everything. He designed those lyrics to be an easily sung number. Plus he is pampered and his parents left him. AND LASTLY THE BIGGEST REASON OF ALL! This is a long time ago! THERE WAS NO POWER RANGERS! In other words how old did a boy have to be to get married? THE AVERAGE DEATH AGE FOR MEN WAS AROUND 25! HAH! I WIN!

Imani Mbibouth alright don't get ahead of yourself! 😂 it's just a movie

Gemma Richardson-Dodd lol tru 😂

you don't win HAH! I WIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The beast was also a child. Did you even SEE the theory?

Suddenly, I want to call the FBI out on the witch or really any fictional police organization that are experts in detaining psychopathic magic weilding witches. May she be called out on her wickedness and be executed for her crimes. It would be fitting karma if she also got cursed by her own magic and became an inanimate object just like she did to the others. Best cruel punishment for an evil crueler witch..

She didn't mind cursing one child. What's a few more?

When I first saw the human, I just didn't understand why she changed him. He wasnt that beautiful either way.

Yeah.. I love facial hair and as a beast he was hawt. But then... meh

In the live action movie especially, they look so weird as ppl...

To me the beast looks like a big puppy so...(I just wanna pet him he looks kinda like my dog)

Thank god i'm not the only one

Wow

That was so hot

yezzz I was planning on doing that too!

+RU-vid comments wow

oh yeah plss do I'll subscribe and give you emoji thumbs up for all your vids👍

YES that' such a good idea! mmmmmmmmmmmmmpls

YEP, WE NEED IT

!!!! I NEE D IT

YES please please please!

I wish it was longer.

Seedge Mercado Yeah, honestly! I've always wondered how old he is. In the musical Chip said that he wanted to be a boy AGAIN, which meant that he knew what it was like before, so I'm guessing he's supposed to be eleven or twelve even though he acts much younger than that.

SkyWingFeather i always thought it must be sad that he must of been beasts playmate as a child, since beast was 11 when it happened and watched as beast grew and he stayed a boy as a cup.

And what's even sadder is that the Beast has no choice but to grow up. Chip can at least resume his childhood from where he left off.

they must have messed up with the script there. chip doesn't look to be any older then 12 when the curse is lifted, so he had to have been somewhere between newborn and 2 when first cursed, possibly 3 if you want to push his end of movie appearance to 13, and none of those ages would be old enough to remember by chip's age. he could possibly remember sensations of being human if he was cursed when he was 3, but any younger would definitely be too young.

The staff and their families must have had their development suspended while the prince kept ageing.

Not immortal but rather ageless

Alfred Roman but when the beast transformed, why does he look so mature?! (he looks pretty mature, as far as I can remember)

Oh, that's easy- it's because they were inanimate objects. Well, normally inanimate objects. If they had all been turned into critters like the prince, they would have aged, too.

Sonya Steadman Wow! Thanks for that! hahaha I never thought of that xD

Alfred Roman because chip could have been born a cup but his mom being a real human causes him to be a human to. and for the dad he could have just been shattered☺🙂

I love that. #hermioneandthebeast

@@evn3585 #hermioneandthebeast XD

Woah 👏👏👏

They actually explain in the live action I think about how the spell stopped them from aging. (Don’t quote me on that)

*when Belle finds out the Beast's true age* _FBI OPEN UP-_

The painting of the prince is not of an 11 year old boy, just saying.

@ThatOneAsianBroChick Yeah, I initially thought that could possibly be the case but we see what he looks like at the end of the movie as a human. I guess he could just be a carbon copy of his father.

lol

wow. what an incredibly well articulated response for the youtube comment section.

Lol

Wow, what an incredibly paraphrased comment period.

He did another vid about something like this that shows how literal song lyrics in this movie is

That sorceress is Third-wave feminism)) Let's curse the 11 year old boy. Let's curse every one who works for him. Let's curse Chip!!!!! LET'S CURSE!!!!!!

@@Brisingam it's time to see who I can curse, let's curse the 11 year boy, let's curse every one who works for hiiimmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!! Let's curse Chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LET IT CURSE!!!!

In folk lore fairies are seen to be as petty and vengefull so, probably

Nobody says Stockholm syndrome seriously. It's close enough where it pretty much is

Actually she wasn't really asking for anything (if she was, she didn't need it), she was passing judgement

Well whatever, this WHOLE incident is nonsense no matter how you look at it: Even if it's a deliberate set-up by the witch, it has a big flaw in its carry-out: Almost always the one answering the door for a castle wouldn't be the prince himself, but any of his pagers.

And I'd still say the prince is punishable: Even though the old witch just offered a rose for boarding fee, the prince should have invited her in even if she hasn't offered anything! (Since this story was set in France, I'd like to think this is an allusion to The French Revolution) The only part I agree with you is about punishing such a young kid ... 11 year-old is supposed to act largely immature ... But in the end I have to say, growing up as a beast is still somewhat better than the kind of lives many 18 century French peasants were forced to bear their whole life!

@tokyomilmil: There is just one problem that I have with your argument: Do YOU want to have your 10 year old kid open the door in the middle of the night for everyone who knocks and let them in? He may have called her ugly, and that's not nice, but she's also a stranger, who he doesn't know. She could be a thief or something. You wouldn't want to wake up in the middle of the night and find some stranger around your kid either, right?

don't you know, there are believes across the globe of gods and sorcerers/wizards testing people?

Mikeman91 lol

In Disney, songs are very important, so I don't think that it is hyperbolic, and when you exaggerate, you usually say "it's been an eternity", or "thousand years" and not "ten years"…😌

Mikeman91 Wow

+RU-vidComments Wow

Wow. That's actually a very well thought-out, eloquent response for the RU-vid comments.

It's different then the Canon though (But it's an amazing book)

But it’s no tho

RocketSapphire T.T it is a different cannon where the stories are twisted it’s still a Disney book

It is extremely intricate.

Thank you for sharing!!!

Oh! And the book confirms this theory too. The Beast was 11 when he was cursed

I really want to read this now!

What's the book called? I'd love to read it!

Oops I just saw you already said what the book is, my apologies

Cait Jacobs Yeah, but those books are technically non-canonical. They also made a book where Jafar got the lamp instead of Aladin, and we know that didn't happen. An interestinv, story, but holds about the same weight as the Descendants in terms of fact.

The prince's name is Adam

AND HIS NAME IS THE BEAST

SonictheSniper actually his name is Adam

+AnimalCraftGaming OK I never watched the movie

me nether but i do not think thats what happend its been out like for ever

E and H Channel. If beauty comes from within that sorceress is super ugly.

+DragonFae16 someone send this guy to the top

+DragonFae16 My theory on that was that the pride of Pride Rock originally belonged to Nala's father. Mufasa and Scar took over Pride Rock driving out Nala's daddy. They then went on to kill all of the cubs to further claim the pride as their own as lions do, but Nala's mom (Don't remember her name) was pregnant with Nala at the time. Rather than kill Nala when she was born, Mufasa decides to allow her to live so that she can be hitched to Simba. It would technically make Nala slightly older than Simba, but if Mufasa got busy right away she would'nt be too much older than him and they would be close enough in age to grow up together.

+TheNovelistWriter Ah huh. Sure she does.

Okay, even if Nala was fathered by another male, her mum is still Simba's aunt, making them cousins.

They are either half siblings or cousins, whilst this is immoral in human terms and has serious problems for children of the couple, it is not the same for lions. Lions can mate with relations and their offspring would be fine. I know this is a movie, but they were fairly accurate with lion facts within it. Also it's muffy because there's a scene that was deleted that shows Scar trying to get nala to be his queen and I'm sure a father lion would not do this, no matter how evil

Why are you dragging me in to this?

+Bruce Wayne This exchange made me laugh so hard.

+Bruce Wayne Best exchange ever XD

Maybe When everyone was cursed they were not able to age

+Dion Sayas then the whole until your 21 thing would not work

I mean Gaston is a villain too. There can be more than one.

I mean… talking or singing about over hunting, controlling the women he loves, keeping her father as a lock up and killing a random prince monster at night. That’s a pretty big assumption of him not being the villain

Here's what might have happened... Knock on castle door at night (at the time the prince should be going to bed...NOT as late as they make you think it was). The prince happened to be closest to the door. Being a kid, his curiosity persuades him to open the door. The old lady tells him that she wants to enter his castle and claims it's due to the weather. The prince judges her by appearance (as kids tend to do) and is scared. The old lady turns into a young lady. The prince thinks that she's angry with him (he's more courteous, because she's not "creepy looking", anymore); so, he tries to apologize. Having been insulted by a vain royalty member (as if royalty was NOT vain back then), she curses him. Any servants that happen to show up around that time (they would probably have gotten there while the lady transformed herself and the prince apologized) would have misunderstood what had occurred and gone after the sorceress. At THAT point, she would have cursed the rest of the castle. And to think...the curse was based on a MISUNDERSTANDING. I've seen things like this (minus the curse casting, of course) in TODAY's world. Talk about deep symbolism!

PokéTriforce The shortened life span thing actually isn't true. If you lived to puberty, i.e. making it past infant mortality, you could often live to 60's-70's. The numbers are brought down due to infant mortality (like 1 out of 2 or 3 kids die in their first 5 years or something). The marrying at 13 is true though, and a good theory to go with

James A Clouder Well people only ever lived that long if they where royalty, most commoners did have a short lifespan due to all the hard/dangerouse work and lack of sanitation

actually even commoners had a longer life span and it really only dropped during industrial revolution.which was thanks to high pollution and the dangerous work.but pretty much 60's and 70's was average.

MayanExpression Actually the poor had better nutrition. the rich didn't want to seem poor by eating plants, so they ONLY ate meat. this has quite a few issues for them as you might imagine.

i read this as it came on

the funny thing is when u made this comment in 2017

And knowing is half da battle G. I. Joessssssssh!

Good question

They been busy rubbing it off. Why you think the maid feather duster is so sought after? 😉😍😘

i think its a way of rotting away or dying or someting

Yes

2015.

Or 2011 for Game Theory.

3 years

2011 is the magic year when he started game theory

+Pixel_Cookie If anything Beauty and the Beast is an example of Lima Syndrome, which is the opposite: the captor falls in love with the captive. The beast admits that he loved her before Belle said that she loved him. She wasn't really listening to him and snapped back at Beast. It wasn't until he saved her from the wolves did she even start liking him at least a little.

He put it in as joke to shut up idiots who claim Belle has Stockholm.

+Pixel_Cookie how can someone have a syndrome of the even that took place at least 200 years after the events? Duhhhh....

+Pixel_Cookie FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT! I've been saying this for years.

Is it really Stockholm Syndrome if Rapunzel believed Gothel was her mother? It feels more like Gothel unofficially 'adopted' Rapunzel. I'm not saying Gothel was in the right, but it's not like Rapunzel saw her as a captor until she found out about her real parents.

try 3 am

**looks at the clock** oh shoot

+TheEpicRedstone lol 😂😂

Nope. 4 am

it's literally 2 am right now, GREAT A WHATEVER YOURE CALLED XD

lel

SansandGTfangirl57

SansandGTfangirl57 si true

XDDD

SansandGTfangirl57 @prince- you done messed up a-a-ron

I would pay to see this.

same

or a theory on how *aerodynamic* Dumbo's* ears are.

Ayy that's pretty good

I agree! This makes sense! Disney recently revealed that at least some of their movies are connected!

Justin Harris it would be a really surprising but interesting reveal if the witch was actually Evil Queen: the early days, as, clearly, beautiful children of nobility are a threat to her vanity.... Plus she was shown in some media as punishing and *scolding* snow white for perceived infractions, like this manufactured kindness moral.

I dont understand. Since when ugly old woman in the middle of the night is something wrong but isnt old beautiful woman is something right and he decided to apoligize. The boy still only saw her looks

+Даня Таргарян the beast or the prince didn't mean to offend the sorceress so he apologized.

*apologised

(Continued) sorry for touching the rose and that she didn't mean any harm. But when the beast gets violent, her first instinct is not to befriend him. In fact, even between "fight or flight," she chooses to flee. "Promise or no promise, I can't stay here another minute." When the Beast saves her from wolves, she goes to get on her horse. She could have ran off and left him there. But instead, we see her make the conscious choice to help him, as she feels indebted to him. Seeing that he really isn't that bad, she makes 'conscious' choices from there on out to befriend him and to get to know him. In a deleted scene, we even see her teaching him how to read! Finally, here's the nail in the coffin, if she did suffer from Stockholm, she wouldn't have made the decision to leave. Seeing her father in the mirror in a life threatening situation, she feels helpless knowing that she has to stay. Yes, the Beast does "free" her, but if she had suffered from Stockholm, Belle would have either stayed

+Morrgan B (continued) or made a promise to come back. She did none of those things. When she does return, it's a conscious decision, and it is out of her friendship with him (plus, she wants to stop Gaston from killing him). The definition for Lima Syndrome is as follows: "the phenomenon in which abductors develop sympathy for their captives." Beast shows this by making her life better. He doesn't throw her in a tower. He gives her a room. He lets her roam the castle. He gives her a freaking library! After the encounter with the wolves, he sympathized with her and wanted to make her life better. No Stockholm here. But hey! That's just a.... Fact! A film fact! And cut!

+TatzRules Yay Aw, thank you! :)

Thanks for typing this up here! It's definitely interesting

+Morrgan B wow! You went really in depth.😐 I'm suprised. Also, do you know anything about Norwegian history? I have ancestry from there and I'd like to know their history.

Agreed

Francesca C he can always come up with the most convincing stories, like if I happen to be on the jury the day he's in court defending a murderer, I have 0 doubt that he can't come up with a story beyond good enough to save that guys sorry ass.

If he says it's just a theory a murder theory and that's all I have 4 the diffident. He wouldn't do good😂😂

+THEPELADOMASTER Because it's disney

+Sackbot 2011 Maybe she was banging on the door as loudly as she could and incessantly. The real question is why the prince answered instead of the butler.

Simon Mael Chaput Castles are big, no kind of banging on the door would wake a young prince fast asleep.

+THEPELADOMASTER Yeah, I mean, keep in mind where his room is. It's WAY up in the West Wing. With the doors shut and all that tapestry and carpet in between, he wouldn't have heard a thing.

+THEPELADOMASTER What young kid ISN'T on the computer looking at porn in the middle of the night? Chance are the prince was awake already doing what you'd expect any young boy would be doing... Trying to find a pair of boobs to stare at.

Lol too true

There's actually a sad reason about that. Firstly, it's usually just dead moms, and this is because Walt Disney's mom died in a house fire due to a faulty furnace in the house he bought for her. He felt responsible for her death, so he keeps killing the parents, or at least the moms, in every movie he made.

are u being sarcastic cuz for every marvel/dc hero and villain that hero or villain had some loss of family

Core Brute Imagine how few parents will remain now that Disney owns Marvel. Also, don't forget about Star Wars.

Kazi Islam yes, but its a tradition that Disney still upholds today! Can we have a Disney film (pixar doesn't count) where the whole family survives please?

True true. But he is still 11 lol

SerenityBane except Disney made a prequel and the prince is 11

But it said the rose would wilt around the end. Ten years is only half way. But, I get where ur coming from.

SerenityBane just gonna add a bit more evidence, the servants said that they've been rusting for 10 years and like you said the flower will bloom until his 21st year. Therefore it can't be until his 21st year as a beast because he's only been one for 10 years and the flower has almost wilted..

Except that the alternate beginning, we see that the prince is ten. Soooooo, yeah.

What's nine plus ten?

Love that reference

You'd be surprised.

7 years old lukas

edd st hm?

rabbit91210 lukas graham 7 years

total·sax·sap ooh...your theory makes sense...at least regarding the whole thing with the servants not aging but the Prince still does. But that must suck for Chip. Now he has to wait another ten years before he's an adult! Yeesh... But yeah it's all but said that the painting is supposed to be the Beast. I'm going to give the animators a little bit of leeway there since artists were notorious at aging up royal portraits in this time period. But the new movie fixes that so we're good.

missrebellious True! I believe the new movie has child portrait of him instead. I kind of like the idea that the prince/Beast (in the '91 version) grew to resent that portrait because it showed what could possibly never be.

total·sax·sap would make Sense then the old woman only punish the beast. and the employees she make them immortal

I love it!

And if he snapped she snapped right back.Belle chose to take her fathers place it hadn't occured to the captor.

Miss Amanda's world Yeah, exactly!

While I see some reason to doubt the theory, it's almost impossible otherwise. We have to look at the entire situation in conext both historically and fictionally. In the story, the situation we are presented with is easy to perceive and is actually entirely possible in the French Historical context. First let's set the scene. In the beginning we meet Belle, the princess of the story. A knowledgeable and rebelious young woman who is frowned upon by the town by her strange ideas much like her father. It has been given that this story takes place in France, but WHEN? We can actually tell when by one single instance in the beginning number. The Baker. In France, bread is actually a huge issue historically speaking. Before the most notable French Revolution, women stormed the Brasile Fort all becuase they had no bread to eat. The fact the Baker has plenty of bread to sell and that people in a very small French Village can afford what was once long ago a luxury food, can set Belle in the Neopleonic era in the Revolution when bread prices became stable. Furthermore, enlightenment ideas were being spread throughout France at this time where Belle's father might have gotten inspiration for his own devices and Belle her ideas of independence, however women were still looked down upon as reflected in the Nepoleonic Code and enlightenment ideas had become a very scary concept in France since it was these very ideas that started decades of bloodshed and terror. The town would be justified in thinking Belle and her father were dangerous and Alienated them from society. Alright we have some historical context, so what does this have to do with Stockholm Syndrome in a fairytale? We can now go into the story again, Belle going after her Father in the Woods. Please note the wolves in the scene which Belle is riding to escape and why she even goes in the castle as those are key motivators later. But let me just pause a moment and talk about the weather. Yep, in Florida we have a sunny sky with a high of 92 and in France in the Nepoleonic era we have a humanity halting snow storm of doom! Perfect for your winter vacation! In fact, the winter season is one of the worst seasons to visit France now and if we factor out Global Warming, France seems so cold, ice looks sexy. So when Belle is beyond the gates she has very limited choices, go back out the gate and face the wolves, stand out in the French winter and catch her death in hypothermia, Or enter the big scary castle. And 2 out of 2 Frenchmen recommend the big scary castle. Okay, so she didn't enter the castle by honest choice. We still have movie left to show she honestly and truly chooses to be with Fido over here. We have a cute number with talking objects (Which should make a person slightly terrified and worried even in oldy french times) and finally the big bad wolf wakes up from his nap and finds Miss Beauty who claims to be looking for her father. Beasty boy takes her to him and we see he is in a cell in a dungeon. Now I might be impartial to uninvited guests but Belle and her Father ended up at the castle for the exact same reasons. To escape the wolves and the French Winter. The beast locks up her father for trespassing but is a little more impartial to Belle seeing as she is a pretty lady. But let's be honest if I saw a weird old dude in my living room out of no where, then saw a dashing, cute young man a day or two later, I'd be impartial too. We know that Beast is about to execute the father but Belle stops him and asks that she takes his place. Now let us look at this. Beast has the custody of Belle's father, an advantage over her, Belle can't simply fight him and in Nepoleonic times, women didn't have as many rights as the men and we're basically second class citizens to men. In Belle's little village there was practically no way for her to get by without some male figure helping with the income and with a name on the land she was living on. Her father was the only male in her family and if she left without him, Belle would be forced by French society to get married fast and the most willing party? Gaston which I also have a theory of him not being a bad character and in fact his desire for Belle comes from being too perfect but I'll move along. We also have to understand how the brain works under intense situations. We do not make the best decisions under pressure and that's just a fact. Our brain has no time to assess the concequences of our actions in a very quick decision and this can explain why Belle decided to try to take her father's place in the stead of going back to the tiny village in defeat and a little more traumatized than the average Frenchman, becoming Gatson's wife and being a small blip in the stage of history. The Beast decided to uphold his end of the deal, (although he could have decided to kill Belle's father without her looking) and sends him on his way back to the village, but remember what he was carried back in. A magical wardrobe-chariot-cab-thing. Never knew what that was as a child...Note it is magical and can slip by the wolves keeping dear old pop pop in one peice as he enters the village. But let's return to out beloved Princess for a moment. We see that Belle, after making the deal with the Beast, is locked up in another Cell. We also see how she is treated in the cell itself. It is the Beast who brings Lumiere, the only source of heat Belle will be prevy to this winter and he also takes him away. Lumiere also, even though loosely does dose so, follows the beasts commands and we never see Lumiere visit Belle without the Beast. When Belle finally gets out of that horrible cell and into a proper bedroom it's maybe early spring at least. The French Winter lasts a total of four months, December, January, February, and March, and even if we are extremely generous a discount December as it is some times more fall like that's still three months of winter Belle is in an uninsulated, damp, and possibly infested cell. Three months we never see in the movie, probably due to how graphic those three months could get and probably cutting out other moments in which the Beast in conditioning Belle with food and heat for her survival. Even if the beast had good intentions on innocently visiting Belle becuase he is just a really lonely dude, the fact that the Beast has all the control in this situation and that in three months Belle is probably desprate, of course there is an overwhelmingly likely case that she tried to play up the Beasts emotions to set herself free. This is very clear during the movie in which she dose try to escape the castle at a time. However, the odds a stacked agaist her escaping the woods from the start. Remember that magical cab thing that saved her father? Did you remember the man eating wolves out there? Apparently for a good minute, Belle didn't but perhaps she did and ran back due to remembering their deadly howels in the winter night. She wouldn’t make it a half hour in those woods without someone else to help keep her covered unless Belle had a shot gun conceled somewhere under that ball gown. So upon returning, she may have felt a little relieved that she could go back to the castle in spite of her horrible situation and this is where it starts to settle in. The act she is putting up to survive turns on her. There are a hand full of cases in which this is the case with kidnap victims. At first they only like the kidnapper to survive but then overtime you humanize them the more time you spend with them. This same concept is further explained in Mat Pat's theory on Dating Sims. But this phenomenon has been shown that victims can accidentally fall in love with their captor while trying to escape. It might not nessary be Stockholm to a Tee but it shares too many common characteristics to be blown off. Ah, but it's just my theory ^^;;;

Even though this is incredibly well written, I doubt Disney even throught of half of this, and the fact that Belle tried to run away just really proves how much she wanted to get away from Beast and how strong she was, when Beast saved her she tried to run away not caring about him, she wanted to get home so badly, but then she realized that he saved her life and she felt bad for leaving him alone there because she is supposed to be a good person who can see the good in people and sacrifised herself yet again, therefore she saved his life as well, they were even, and in the next scene she didn't even shiver when the huge Beast was shouting into her face, she was yelling back at him and standing up for herself and even beating him in an argument, she thanked him for saving her life because it's a decend thing to do, and she only thanked him after he calmed down and let her heal his wound, she was only being a decent human being to him when he was calm and understanding, and she fell in love with him only after he changed for the better and gave her am entire freaking library. Don't forget that the Beast let her go and she gladly left to save her father, she didn't beg to stay and be protected, she left alone again and made it back and never asked for any protection. There hasn't been a moment of her being glad that she was with him until he has changed.

I really want to read your theory, kimmie, but its HUGE! Do you think that you could sum it up a little?

Or his parents are dead.

good point Kazi Islam. I didn't think of that option which would add to the tragedy as well

CrouchingTigress01 its Disney... EVERYONE HAS DEAD PARENTS!!!

Owen Porter And there's actually a sad reason behind it. Walt Disney's mom died in a house fire in the house that Walt bought for her. It was caused by a faulty furnace. He felt responsible for her death, so he kept killing everybody's parents, or at least their moms, in every movie he made. That's why he even showed little kids Bambi's mother's corpse up-close.

Kazi Islam yeah, i heard about that. i was bummed

If he's been a beast for 21 years, and he wasn't a child when he got cursed, I think he'd be waaay too old for Belle, who's like 16.

does it apply to living creatures tho

I don't think that matters to Disney, I mean... It's an old film, and every single Disney princess has the same age, around 15 and 19 years old. Plus Belle seems a little older, like 17 or 18, but hey that's just me. Also, when the beast recovers his original form he's back as how he was, this means that he didn't age physically nor mentally (since he's been trapped, you know) so he basically remains trapped in time. My english is shitty and I'm sorry lol

I'm rather supprised no one has pointed out the gaping hole in your theory. They've been waiting for 10 years acording to the song right? Yeah, the rose will bloom until his 21 year. Now when Belle comes the Rose is starting to die. By the time she relises she loves him it's almost to late as the last bit of the rose is falling off. So unless your theory is also saying Belle was with the beast for 11 Years then i'm sorry but No. Your theory does not hold. She wasn't there for 11 years. She wasn't even there a year if i remember right. Meaning that the Beast must have been 11 or the song is lying to us.

andvas1994, I'm having difficulty following your point. Could you explain it further?

Indeed it was, 11 was the age that boys were expected to participate in manhunts for dangerous criminals.

Doesn't matter, he's a prince. A prince with dead parents, the only reason he wasn't King Beast was there was no Catholic Bishop to preside over his coronation. His parents died days ago, and his servants, soldiers, and guards refuse to answer the door. Because he's being hunted by a freaking Evil Shape-shifting Arch-Witch / Sorceress.

When 6th grade history actually helps😆

+Bob Gibbs That's also true. No matter what age, he'd be made King. He would probably have had a Regent in case he wasn't old enough, but in this case he's fine.

+Bob Gibbs Once apon a time, the perspective king/queen crowned themselves. I have no idea if it was that time period or if the church already had its claws in the Nobility, but that was still a possibility.

Yeah..hehe..your chin 😉

I...never noticed the wink til your comment. That adds something different to the song.