Even if the Beast was older when this went down, it was smart to turn he enchantress away. He's a prince, heir to the throne, you don't just let some random stranger into your castle. They could have been an assassin or something.
@@insertusernamehere8324 I guess that's the thing though, Fairy Tails don't run on modern day logic. Though Disney did create that plot hole themselves.
funny thing, I have a book that is a twisted version of Beauty and the beast (yes it's a disney book, it's called As old as time) that actually acnowleges this. they declare the sorsceres crazy because she did this.
I have it. It’s so good!! I have 4 of them. As old as time- Beauty and the Beast Let it go- Frozen Part of your world- The little Mermaid And the Aladdin one (I forgot the name)
It makes even more sense if you stop to think about when the story takes place. It take place in the French countryside roughly 10 years after the french revolution. It as absolute plusable that his parents were killed in the beheadings, thus leaving the servants to raise him. That would then mean that he wouldn't have EVEN KNOW HIS PARENTS, since he would have been one at the start of the French Revolution. Knowing that this takes place shortly after the start of the revolution would also explain why the enchantress was so cruel to him. The common people of France didn't like the royals AT ALL(hence the beheadings). She was simple looking for a reason to punish a young prince, a young BOY, who was born in the wrong place, in the wrong time. But that's just a theory, a COMMENT THEORY! Hope you enjoyed. Also, let me know what you think, this is my first comment theory.
Me as a child: well that's what happens when you judge someone for their appearance. Adult me: so you cursed an 11 year old child just for turning you away when you are a stranger at night? And to top it off you curse everyone in the castle as well? And you are supposed to be a good fairy? Lady I think you have problems.
Maybe that sorceress is evil. She also seems to have wiped the memory of the Prince from the villages minds as everyone seemed really surprised to find a castle in the woods.
+Cpn. Beartato I personally believe they thought the royal family was either very laissez-faire or mysteriously disappeared. The thought that a Beast could have slaughtered them would have given them reason to think he was a threat. Note that everyone knew the way to the castle WITHOUT any instructions. Maurice and Belle would not have known because they had only recently moved to that village :).
And I mean, you can SEE his forehead. Eyes, ears… So hyperbole is CLEARLY a thing. Not like I myself ever casually say I've been friends with someone "for a decade" when it's like seven years. No, people NEVER do that. 🙄
Ellie B. But given that the prince still had to find true love before he turned 21 means that if they were in that state for more than 4 years, it should have been met with youthful indiscretion... Also the Character Gaston is known for his boasting, Lumiere is not.
You know, it's funny. Even when I was a kid and I saw this movie for the first time, I was struck by the Beast's lack of manners or even basic knowledge of table edicate. Sure, he'd been a beast most of his life, but he should at least know how people eat at the table from the memories he's had as a human. Especially a prince of all people! But if the prince had been ten or eleven years old when he first got cursed, then it all makes sense. The beast doesn't know how to eat like a human because he was too young to remember it before he was transformed. Bell had to teach him everything about human interaction.
He knows how but physically doing it as beast the table ,anners would be difficult. And after sktuation with enchantress he didn't know how to handle Maurice
FrankLightheart HI don't thin. Prince Adam aka the beast saw Maurice as crazy but do to enchantress he didn't want to turn a guy whom was little older into the cold even when let him go he in his way made sure he had safe way.to get home. he was embarrassed hence the temper at the start he had succeeded in keeping himself hidden for 10yrs.
Whilst I believe in this theory since the evidence is right there in the movie, why when they are telling the story the prince is designed as an adult. You could say that was an incorrect portrayal of what actually happened. But there is a painting of him that he claws which definitely shows that he is older than 11, a teenager at most. How was this plot point overlooked?
+Pizza was here well probably cause it's a disney movie and they can't make it seem too cruel so they design him as an adult to mislead people from the fact that he was a child.
Personally i think that the enchantress is evil because a. whos going to let a random stranger into their home? b. she cursed all he servants who had done nothing wrong c. she made it virtually impossible for the beast to break the curse by making everyone forget about the kingdom, setting a time limit, and making it so that the girl has to love him in return. he can't control if someone loves him back for gods sake. and isn't the point for him to learn to love?
And getting a girl to love you becomes even more impossible after she turns hin into a beast. I genuinely think the fairy never intended him to break the curse.
On point a, ESPECIALLY when this seems to be set right around the French Revolution. The powers that were, were probably busy hiding for their lives. So intentionally letting a peasant in is just stupid and potentially suicidal.
@@amyness3452 yea, I think why we don't see his parents was bc his parents were beheaded before the situation. The old lady most likely hated royals(like basically every peasant in france) and cursed him so they could suffer.
Its even worse since in some versions of this tale he and all the utensils dont just stay like this forever after the rose wilts away, they all die when that happens
The prince got turned into a beast because he wouldn't let a creepy stranger into his house who just so happened to knock on his door in the middle of the night while it was raining.
I hold this theory as a fact. The witch that turns him was hateful as hell, punishing this little boy...for being a little boy! He fucked up! And it makes sense given how innocent the Beast is throughout the movie. He's very awkward with everything, because mentally, he's still pretty much a kid. He never got that chance to grow and develop -with- his age, since it pretty much stopped once he was transformed. Which makes Belle considerably older and wiser in a sense. She basically has to take care of him and show him the ropes. She has to show him how to be an adult because he never learned how as a Beast.
+Nerdicaful I love this theory, because fairy folk are usually depicted as vengeful and petty in folklore. Or to have another Disney movie example, let's compare her to Maleficent. She cursed a helpless baby to die in her teens, just because her Parent's didn't invite her to her boring-ass christening. The only reason she isn't dead is because the last fairy lightened the sentence to a Century sleep. I'm guessing Maleficent and this Fairy hung out in the same circles.
+Nerdicaful Not to mention that he lives in a castle. Usually if a child lives in a castle his parents have already arranged his marriage before the poor thing has pubes.
+Nerdicaful i believe what your saying is true. THE BEAST WAS AN 11 YEAR OLD WHO WAS DOING WHAT AN 11 YEAR OLD SHOULD DO IN HIS SITUATION. the beast was an 11 year old kid who didn't let -an enchantress- a witch who weirdly enough, dressed up as an old lady and asked a kid who was alone at his castle if she can stay at his castle, and was going to reward him with a rose. a child his age would have said no in the first place, and the enchantress cursed him anyway for doing the right thing. he might of not done it just because he thought the enchantress looked like an old hag. he was probably doing the thing a kid of his age should of done, getting cursed anyway. how was he supposed to find a girl who would truly love him if he was in his castle for 10 years and if he was to go into the village and try to find a girl who was like belle, every girl would run away from him, and every man would try to kill him. he never got to socialize, talk to people, or talk to women his age. the enchantress is the evil one to me because she ruined the life of an 11 year old for 10 years of his life (during puberty)
+Nerdicaful This really doesn't make any sense. As he said, Cogsworth should have been the one to answer the door, and in all likely hood was. When the woman asked to come in Cogsworth would have had to call the prince to the door to ask his permission before allowing her to enter because the prince is the master of the house. He would have had an adult in next to him to make him feel comfortable and safe so the decision to cast her out wouldn't have been made because he was afraid of her. Also, back in those times, everything and everyone was disgusting. At wedding in today's times men walk on the right side of the woman holding her right hand with his left hand. This tradition originated because buildings were on the right of the streets and when people used chamber pots (buckets to piss and shit in) they would throw them out the window and onto the street below. It was considered the man's duty to stand between the woman he was with and the human waste that fell. The intro song where Belle avoids the water being poured out of the house by holding her hand up to deflect it is supposed to represent how she could could have life easier if she had a husband. (They also cleaned it up by making it just water) The prince seeing someone who looked ugly shouldn't have put him off enough to be afraid because truthfully, that was the norm. The last thing I would need to say is that most people back then died before they were twenty. He was already middle aged when this happened. People of eleven were treated just about like adults. Even if we today wouldn't think that way, the society of the time would have viewed him as capable of making that decision. He wouldn't have the "I'm a kid so I don't know what's going on." card to play back then.
1:38 I don’t know bout you Matt, but personally I tend to eat with a knife and fork rather than a clock and candlestick. You do you matpat, you do you.
If he is a beast and he also had to go through puberty since he is technically half beast and half human, more beasty but still, how did he manage to make it through that?! @-@ Beast instincts and puberty..... oh ma gawd does he have a mating season too?!
My family and I came to this conclusion while watching the film for the first time in years. I feel worse for the beast than ever. He was only a child. What a monster that sorceress was.
Another thing: If the old Lady was a sorceress all along, she should've had the means to get by without bothering people at the dead of night, and instead just, dunno, teleport herself home, summon a pumpkin house or whatever, conjure a warm fire and food etc. So this woman DELIBERATELY came in the dead of night and transformed herself into the most hideous form she could to provoke a rejection of her offer, and then came down on him like freaking "HOW DARE YOU JUDGE ME ON MY LOOKS". Sounds like she planned the whole thing from the get go, fully expecting the prince's behavior, which makes it likely she knew him and/or his parents before and harbored a grudge for some thing or another. The moral part (him apparently misjudging her) was probably her way of adding injury to insult. This way he's not only cursed, but ridden with guilt as well (I'm a monster for having been rude to her, and now I'm at fault for my servants fate as well). Imagine living in a forgotten, big, cold, castle with your only company being people being miserable because of your plunder. Psychological warfare lvl: 9001 Also: Kinda ironic, how she reproaches him about being judgemental, and she's rotten to the core herself, laying those traps and cursing people willynilly. Imagine her going from house to house like that, cursing every child unwilling to give shelter to a bum at midnight in return of a FOR A FLOWER?! Sorceress? Witch is more like it!
Well whatever, this WHOLE incident is nonsense no matter how you look at it: Even if it's a deliberate set-up by the witch, it has a big flaw in its carry-out: Almost always the one answering the door for a castle wouldn't be the prince himself, but any of his pagers.
And I'd still say the prince is punishable: Even though the old witch just offered a rose for boarding fee, the prince should have invited her in even if she hasn't offered anything! (Since this story was set in France, I'd like to think this is an allusion to The French Revolution) The only part I agree with you is about punishing such a young kid ... 11 year-old is supposed to act largely immature ... But in the end I have to say, growing up as a beast is still somewhat better than the kind of lives many 18 century French peasants were forced to bear their whole life!
@tokyomilmil: There is just one problem that I have with your argument: Do YOU want to have your 10 year old kid open the door in the middle of the night for everyone who knocks and let them in? He may have called her ugly, and that's not nice, but she's also a stranger, who he doesn't know. She could be a thief or something. You wouldn't want to wake up in the middle of the night and find some stranger around your kid either, right?
In the stage version, it's mentioned that the servants were cursed because they somehow played a part in making the prince spoiled and selfish. Apparently including Chip, (who was at most a newborn infant when the curse was cast), and the dog. Yeah, what did the dog do to deserve to be turned into a footstool?
animagusurreal (Actually, the dog isn't present in the stage version, but if we count that as a possible explanation for the film as well...seriously, what did the dog do to make the prince more spoiled?!)
+animagusurreal He is a Dog. He probably did not even realized he was turned into anything. And Chip was turned because a childreen is suposed to stay with his parents. If he stayed a normal kid he would die in the forest probably killed by the wolfs or starvation.
Imagine growing up that way, being alone, and feeling more worthless than normal in the crucial years of development. Not only that, but he also had no one to properly raise him since everyone was a teapot or something. That's gotta be some serious PTSD.
@@feiwnakausvkaxbdkebkswowbq8331 Thats.... god that makes it even worse. He'd be so strong even as a tot just trying to be kind could be deadly for the now enchanted servants.
What other witch "sorceress" changed herself into hideous old women offering a harmless red object....hmmmm. Sounds like Disney Villianry 101 to me. Yes the poor prince was cruelly tricked by a evil witch!
Justin Harris it would be a really surprising but interesting reveal if the witch was actually Evil Queen: the early days, as, clearly, beautiful children of nobility are a threat to her vanity.... Plus she was shown in some media as punishing and *scolding* snow white for perceived infractions, like this manufactured kindness moral.
I dont understand. Since when ugly old woman in the middle of the night is something wrong but isnt old beautiful woman is something right and he decided to apoligize. The boy still only saw her looks
yea pretty much whether or not you see the straight-to-dvd sequels as canon they pretty much acknowledge their plotholes and continuity errors in those films
@@intergalacdab9191 there's also the fact that the live action remake tried to backtrack and fix the "plot hole" by saying everything was frozen in time at the castle and everyone was made to forget them.
Amazing theory, I thought the same thing when I found out his real age. Also to the people who say that Belle has Stockholm Syndrome, just because Belle fell in love with the Beast doesn't automatically mean it's Stockholm Syndrome, I kinda get why people think that but at the same time I don't because Stockholm Syndrome is about a certain person being attached to the abuser because they can't live without their "power", while Belle fell in love with the Beast AFTER he changed, when he showed her his kindness, that's when she began to gain feelings for him, people seem to forget that she was terrified of him and even when promising to stay in the castle she ran away anyways when she was at her limit, if she truly had Stockholm Syndrome she would've fell in love with his abusive behavior. People seem to connect the syndrome with any kind of imprisonment but doing just a few seconds of research would prove everything with that theory wrong
While I see some reason to doubt the theory, it's almost impossible otherwise. We have to look at the entire situation in conext both historically and fictionally. In the story, the situation we are presented with is easy to perceive and is actually entirely possible in the French Historical context. First let's set the scene. In the beginning we meet Belle, the princess of the story. A knowledgeable and rebelious young woman who is frowned upon by the town by her strange ideas much like her father. It has been given that this story takes place in France, but WHEN? We can actually tell when by one single instance in the beginning number. The Baker. In France, bread is actually a huge issue historically speaking. Before the most notable French Revolution, women stormed the Brasile Fort all becuase they had no bread to eat. The fact the Baker has plenty of bread to sell and that people in a very small French Village can afford what was once long ago a luxury food, can set Belle in the Neopleonic era in the Revolution when bread prices became stable. Furthermore, enlightenment ideas were being spread throughout France at this time where Belle's father might have gotten inspiration for his own devices and Belle her ideas of independence, however women were still looked down upon as reflected in the Nepoleonic Code and enlightenment ideas had become a very scary concept in France since it was these very ideas that started decades of bloodshed and terror. The town would be justified in thinking Belle and her father were dangerous and Alienated them from society. Alright we have some historical context, so what does this have to do with Stockholm Syndrome in a fairytale? We can now go into the story again, Belle going after her Father in the Woods. Please note the wolves in the scene which Belle is riding to escape and why she even goes in the castle as those are key motivators later. But let me just pause a moment and talk about the weather. Yep, in Florida we have a sunny sky with a high of 92 and in France in the Nepoleonic era we have a humanity halting snow storm of doom! Perfect for your winter vacation! In fact, the winter season is one of the worst seasons to visit France now and if we factor out Global Warming, France seems so cold, ice looks sexy. So when Belle is beyond the gates she has very limited choices, go back out the gate and face the wolves, stand out in the French winter and catch her death in hypothermia, Or enter the big scary castle. And 2 out of 2 Frenchmen recommend the big scary castle. Okay, so she didn't enter the castle by honest choice. We still have movie left to show she honestly and truly chooses to be with Fido over here. We have a cute number with talking objects (Which should make a person slightly terrified and worried even in oldy french times) and finally the big bad wolf wakes up from his nap and finds Miss Beauty who claims to be looking for her father. Beasty boy takes her to him and we see he is in a cell in a dungeon. Now I might be impartial to uninvited guests but Belle and her Father ended up at the castle for the exact same reasons. To escape the wolves and the French Winter. The beast locks up her father for trespassing but is a little more impartial to Belle seeing as she is a pretty lady. But let's be honest if I saw a weird old dude in my living room out of no where, then saw a dashing, cute young man a day or two later, I'd be impartial too. We know that Beast is about to execute the father but Belle stops him and asks that she takes his place. Now let us look at this. Beast has the custody of Belle's father, an advantage over her, Belle can't simply fight him and in Nepoleonic times, women didn't have as many rights as the men and we're basically second class citizens to men. In Belle's little village there was practically no way for her to get by without some male figure helping with the income and with a name on the land she was living on. Her father was the only male in her family and if she left without him, Belle would be forced by French society to get married fast and the most willing party? Gaston which I also have a theory of him not being a bad character and in fact his desire for Belle comes from being too perfect but I'll move along. We also have to understand how the brain works under intense situations. We do not make the best decisions under pressure and that's just a fact. Our brain has no time to assess the concequences of our actions in a very quick decision and this can explain why Belle decided to try to take her father's place in the stead of going back to the tiny village in defeat and a little more traumatized than the average Frenchman, becoming Gatson's wife and being a small blip in the stage of history. The Beast decided to uphold his end of the deal, (although he could have decided to kill Belle's father without her looking) and sends him on his way back to the village, but remember what he was carried back in. A magical wardrobe-chariot-cab-thing. Never knew what that was as a child...Note it is magical and can slip by the wolves keeping dear old pop pop in one peice as he enters the village. But let's return to out beloved Princess for a moment. We see that Belle, after making the deal with the Beast, is locked up in another Cell. We also see how she is treated in the cell itself. It is the Beast who brings Lumiere, the only source of heat Belle will be prevy to this winter and he also takes him away. Lumiere also, even though loosely does dose so, follows the beasts commands and we never see Lumiere visit Belle without the Beast. When Belle finally gets out of that horrible cell and into a proper bedroom it's maybe early spring at least. The French Winter lasts a total of four months, December, January, February, and March, and even if we are extremely generous a discount December as it is some times more fall like that's still three months of winter Belle is in an uninsulated, damp, and possibly infested cell. Three months we never see in the movie, probably due to how graphic those three months could get and probably cutting out other moments in which the Beast in conditioning Belle with food and heat for her survival. Even if the beast had good intentions on innocently visiting Belle becuase he is just a really lonely dude, the fact that the Beast has all the control in this situation and that in three months Belle is probably desprate, of course there is an overwhelmingly likely case that she tried to play up the Beasts emotions to set herself free. This is very clear during the movie in which she dose try to escape the castle at a time. However, the odds a stacked agaist her escaping the woods from the start. Remember that magical cab thing that saved her father? Did you remember the man eating wolves out there? Apparently for a good minute, Belle didn't but perhaps she did and ran back due to remembering their deadly howels in the winter night. She wouldn’t make it a half hour in those woods without someone else to help keep her covered unless Belle had a shot gun conceled somewhere under that ball gown. So upon returning, she may have felt a little relieved that she could go back to the castle in spite of her horrible situation and this is where it starts to settle in. The act she is putting up to survive turns on her. There are a hand full of cases in which this is the case with kidnap victims. At first they only like the kidnapper to survive but then overtime you humanize them the more time you spend with them. This same concept is further explained in Mat Pat's theory on Dating Sims. But this phenomenon has been shown that victims can accidentally fall in love with their captor while trying to escape. It might not nessary be Stockholm to a Tee but it shares too many common characteristics to be blown off. Ah, but it's just my theory ^^;;;
Even though this is incredibly well written, I doubt Disney even throught of half of this, and the fact that Belle tried to run away just really proves how much she wanted to get away from Beast and how strong she was, when Beast saved her she tried to run away not caring about him, she wanted to get home so badly, but then she realized that he saved her life and she felt bad for leaving him alone there because she is supposed to be a good person who can see the good in people and sacrifised herself yet again, therefore she saved his life as well, they were even, and in the next scene she didn't even shiver when the huge Beast was shouting into her face, she was yelling back at him and standing up for herself and even beating him in an argument, she thanked him for saving her life because it's a decend thing to do, and she only thanked him after he calmed down and let her heal his wound, she was only being a decent human being to him when he was calm and understanding, and she fell in love with him only after he changed for the better and gave her am entire freaking library. Don't forget that the Beast let her go and she gladly left to save her father, she didn't beg to stay and be protected, she left alone again and made it back and never asked for any protection. There hasn't been a moment of her being glad that she was with him until he has changed.
You probably said it as a joke, but I am so sick and tired of people saying belle falls for the beast because of Stockholm syndrome. In the movie, belle stands up to the beast. Calling him out for his bad behaviour. So the beast realises that he has been acting like a jerk and works on his temper. He grows as a person and starts to empathise with other people. That is why belle falls for him. She sees his caring personality come out.
You are absolutely correct. Although, I would argue that although this is not a case of Stockholm Syndrome, and is instead a case of a long-running romance trope: Abduction As Romance. There's a video by the channel Pop Culture Detective that breaks down the trope perfectly, I've put the link below if you want to check it out - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-t8xL7w1POZ0.html
I don't know much about Stockholm syndrome and I respect your opinion, but I think if you were kidnapped, no matter what happens or the kidnapper's personality, a reasonable sane person wouldn't naturally fall in love with said kidnapper. Especially since he treated her so badly in the first half of the movie. It might've been a mix of both though. It could've been weak feelings of attraction or sympathy being emphasized by Stockholm syndrome as well.
@brokenandcracked Thank you! If anyone is confused about what Stockholm Syndrome is, or just likes smart commentary on BatB (and other Disney films), Lindsay Ellis has a great video: Is Beauty and the Beast About Stockholm Syndrome?
@@gin5780 But he didn't technically kidnap her did he? I mean Belle went to save her father, and agreed to STAY as his prisoner, I guess that could count but Idk
Literally no one is going to see this comment, but I want to put my two cents in. By your logic, Chip would have been born a teacup. He is less than ten years old, but still reminisces about being a human boy. The minimum age Chip would have to be is 13 to remember being a human boy and not a human baby. Therefore I think that the spell slows down the aging process, or something similar.
@ThatOneAsianBroChick Yeah, I initially thought that could possibly be the case but we see what he looks like at the end of the movie as a human. I guess he could just be a carbon copy of his father.
I think the more poignant question is, "What's the deal with Chip?" Judging by his mannerisms he is probably six or seven years old. So how the hell could he be a teacup if the curse was applied ten years ago? There are two explanations. The first is that tea pots can get pregnant and have babies. Which I find rather disturbing to think about. The second is that Chip was 6/7 when the curse was applied and the curse prevented him from aging. Meaning that Chip we see in the film is actually 16/17, and when he returns to human form he is a young adult in a child's body. Either way it's messed up.
Confuzledish I mean, that's not to go into all the other numerous questions about the movie. Where are the Beasts parents? Why has no one noticed that the 'royal family' suddenly is gone? Why does Beast have an artist rendition of himself as an adult when he got cursed at 11? What's with all the faceless plates, utensils, hundreds of other teacups, etc.?
Confuzledish I don't know who would knock up an old woman, maybe that day someone abandoned a baby and he started off as a thimble before burning into a teacup? I dunno man...
Confuzledish All kidding about "applying logic to fairy tales" aside, the most likely situation is that all the castle staff became ageless when they were transformed. Ergo, Chip was probably six or seven when he was turned into a teacup, and remained that age until the curse was broken, after which point he started aging normally again, i.e., not magically turned into a 16-year-old boy.
I think the real question is why did the enchantress even come to the castle in the 1st place?Sure the story tells you she needed shelter,but if she really needed it so badly why didn't she just poof one up herself seeing that she was all powerful.She had no problem transforming into an old lady,then back,then performing a curse. Also what made her think transforming into an old ugly hag would increase her chances of getting shelter? So u mean to tell me she just got bored and decided to test people to see if they were kind or not. What a waste.
But Be Our Guest is a practiced number. Its obvious that for those ten years all they've been doing is practicing for when a guest comes. Also Lumiere exaggerates about everything. He designed those lyrics to be an easily sung number. Plus he is pampered and his parents left him. AND LASTLY THE BIGGEST REASON OF ALL! This is a long time ago! THERE WAS NO POWER RANGERS! In other words how old did a boy have to be to get married? THE AVERAGE DEATH AGE FOR MEN WAS AROUND 25! HAH! I WIN!
A lot of people are asking about the portrait, but I just recently found out why he looks so old in it. Disney has published a book called As Old As Time, which is Beauty and the Beast but with one twist (the enchantress is Belle's mother), and it states that the Enchantress who cursed him put a spell on a portrait of him to age with him, so that he will be constantly reminded of what he can be. Also, that book answers the questions of why the servants were cursed, why the enchantress even came and tested him like this, where the hell his parents were, and what happened to the enchantress/Belle's mother after she cursed the Beast. It's an interesting read
Cait Jacobs Yeah, but those books are technically non-canonical. They also made a book where Jafar got the lamp instead of Aladin, and we know that didn't happen. An interestinv, story, but holds about the same weight as the Descendants in terms of fact.
This isn't so much a theory as it is what ACTUALLY occurred. In the end, he was right not to let her in because she was a villain! I would LOVE to see this movie remade, Maleficent style, where it puts the twist on the story and makes it not be so black and white and obviously wrong. Also, a good point I saw in another video is Belle never had Stockholm Syndrome. It says that people suffering from S.S. behave much more complacently, would not outright argue or disagree with their captor, like she does often, and would NEVER willingly leave their side, like she did a handful of times. The theory actually states that Belle and Beast's relationship is much MORE healthy than any other Disney movie since it isn't based on infatuation or "love at first sight" (Ariel), They actually took time to get to know one another (Snow White), and no weird sleep-creep fetish (Aurora)... oh, and they are not still children (Ariel, Mulan, Snow White... all of the others, pretty much.)
I agree with most of your points. But Mulan is not a kid, you know. She is old enough to get married. In fact, her story is one of the best movies Disney has ever made.
Yeah, Mulan was one of my favorites, so I agree to a point, but in early Asian culture (actually most cultures) in the year 400 (around when Mulan took place), they began getting paired off and married by 14 or 15, which is how old she would be when going to see the matchmaker. Granted people usually died around 40, so everything happened younger back then, so in Mulan's case I'll say she gets a pass since it was fairly normal.
+Katniss Prior I would like to point out that back then people would marry off 12 year olds. It wasn't always where you could only marry around 17 or 18. Once you were fertile for sex you were married off to some guy who would benefit the family.
+Katniss Prior but Mulan is not and never was a Princess. Not sure why she is called one considering she was never royalty. I wouldn't wanna be noted amongst those prissy simmering useless vapid little...Ok I could go on forever....
I mean… talking or singing about over hunting, controlling the women he loves, keeping her father as a lock up and killing a random prince monster at night. That’s a pretty big assumption of him not being the villain
I'd like Film Theory to do a theory about who Nala's father is. Simba and Nala clearly come from the same pride, and we only ever see the two pride males. So I'll leave it to you to fill in the rest.
+DragonFae16 My theory on that was that the pride of Pride Rock originally belonged to Nala's father. Mufasa and Scar took over Pride Rock driving out Nala's daddy. They then went on to kill all of the cubs to further claim the pride as their own as lions do, but Nala's mom (Don't remember her name) was pregnant with Nala at the time. Rather than kill Nala when she was born, Mufasa decides to allow her to live so that she can be hitched to Simba. It would technically make Nala slightly older than Simba, but if Mufasa got busy right away she would'nt be too much older than him and they would be close enough in age to grow up together.
They are either half siblings or cousins, whilst this is immoral in human terms and has serious problems for children of the couple, it is not the same for lions. Lions can mate with relations and their offspring would be fine. I know this is a movie, but they were fairly accurate with lion facts within it. Also it's muffy because there's a scene that was deleted that shows Scar trying to get nala to be his queen and I'm sure a father lion would not do this, no matter how evil
Who else agrees that the beast was way cuter as a beast not a human, like human beast is like, not as cute as beast him, Edit: I’m not a furry this is just my opinion 😂
And yet, you miss why this theory makes PERFECT SENSE. The constant running gag in the movie is making fun of social issues that we just tend to look over. “We don’t like what we don’t understand in fact it scares us...” and how they refer in later versions to the fact that most people back then couldn’t read. This fits perfectly because children were concerned adults as soon as they could speak, therefore, the sorceress wouldn’t treat the prince like a kid.
When Belle goes to the West Wing, there are broken mirrors and furniture. I think the real tragedy is that now a child basically has super strength, no love or moral support, one way or another, he cracks. That's why the servants fear him so much instead of just avoiding him, and why the Beast won't allow anyone in that area. He was ashamed of what he'd done.
Even though the Beast grows up, the servants do not. Really think about it, why is Chip still five years old? I'll tell you, when the servants transformed, they are immortal.
Oh, that's easy- it's because they were inanimate objects. Well, normally inanimate objects. If they had all been turned into critters like the prince, they would have aged, too.
Alfred Roman because chip could have been born a cup but his mom being a real human causes him to be a human to. and for the dad he could have just been shattered☺🙂
everyone here's talking about the Beast while I'm here wondering about Chip... like he lived his whole childhood as a teacup... an OBJECT!!... never having to have a normal childhood... not even for a human... how would it feel for a person, let alone a child, who lives his life reduced to nothing more than an object? and even with the curse gone, how do you think he'd be able to cope with never having a human childhood? there's no way he'd stay happy and innocent just like that this theory is seriously breaking my heart... 😣
Seedge Mercado Yeah, honestly! I've always wondered how old he is. In the musical Chip said that he wanted to be a boy AGAIN, which meant that he knew what it was like before, so I'm guessing he's supposed to be eleven or twelve even though he acts much younger than that.
SkyWingFeather i always thought it must be sad that he must of been beasts playmate as a child, since beast was 11 when it happened and watched as beast grew and he stayed a boy as a cup.
they must have messed up with the script there. chip doesn't look to be any older then 12 when the curse is lifted, so he had to have been somewhere between newborn and 2 when first cursed, possibly 3 if you want to push his end of movie appearance to 13, and none of those ages would be old enough to remember by chip's age. he could possibly remember sensations of being human if he was cursed when he was 3, but any younger would definitely be too young.
When Beauty and the Beast (animated, as opposed to the live action remake that I call "Hermione and the Beast") was first released, I was all of nine years old, but I did the math, and figured out that the enchantress was the real villain of the story. At that age, I didn't make the connection that the beast was immature because of this, though.
You kind of jumped around the whole staff turning into objects thing, but I think I have a theory on that. Maybe the witch turned them into objects, so they wouldn't be able to help him find a love. They work for the beast and want to help him, so one could theorize that if they were still human, the staff might go out and try to find a woman that would love him for who he is, or if you want to take a darker spin on it, kidnap woman and imprison them until they accepted him. By Turning the staff into objects circumvents this problem, or dark story, they wouldn't be able to talk to people outside the castle, who would listen to a candle stick? So when belle arrives they try all they can to make her feel welcomed in the home and if you watch the last battle, there willing to mam and kill to keep him alive. Atleast two people got burned, threatened to be stabbed, and I don't care if its a cartoon, you would not survive dresser falling on your head. But hey, its just a theory... You know the rest.
+patanu In the Broadway version it's stated that the servants were being punished too because they had something to do with him being a spoiled brat. I catually develop a theory on that because if you read the comics in all of them the young prince is always being watch and kind of raised by the servats and as in old Disney fasion is kind of safe to asume that the parents of the prince are pretty much dead. So what if his parents actually died when he was young and with no family left he had to be taken care of by his servats of course they want to do their best and try to teach him how to be good, but they are his servants after all they still had to obey his every desire and that would explain why he is so spoiled, why the servants had to be punished too and why they didn't left him (or even try to kill him) because they felt responsible too and wanted to help him.
In Disney, songs are very important, so I don't think that it is hyperbolic, and when you exaggerate, you usually say "it's been an eternity", or "thousand years" and not "ten years"…😌
So, I conclusion..... Knock on Door. .... No Answer... .....No Answer... Kid opens door. Old hag looks at kid. " Can I stay the night? here is a Rose." Kid Replies "Sorry My Mommy says I should't talk to strangers or take gifts from them.." Old hag now with Evil look in eye changes into beautiful woman. " SO BE IT MUAHAHAHAHA.... And all the Servants to!!" geez suddenly Bruce Wayne does'nt seem like he had it so rough.
I Could imagine letting the butler not answering the door go because the enchantress probably did something to make it to where the 11 year old child answered the door. Also, Damn the magical enchanchresses society has high expectations for an 11 year old child.
exactly. thats what I dont get. It's like a trap almost there needs to be another theory. a theory where this was all a set up and maybe a plot or attack on his family since they were royalty. it's way too vauge. who the hell points you out, out of all the kindgoms and comes at you in such a crazy manner and curses you for life over something so small? if he was 18 or 21 at the time I'd get her anger. there was no way the kid was the head of the house to even say yeah come in. he could have gotten in trouble. sure he was snobby but he is 11 so his personality would have at least changed by 18-19 tops so this whole thing just bothers me. It's like teaching kids or sending the message that you have to hurry up and build moral character at an early age and any signs of being a bratt will get you punished.
60wwediva Children are very capable of being good people, they only act like spoiled brats or treat people unkindly if they're allowed or encouraged to. The prince called her an ugly old hag and tried to slam the door in her face. Most kids, especially by age 11, would never say something so rude and mean. All he needed to say was, "sorry, I'm not allowed to let in strangers, wait here and I'll ask my parents." He didn't deserve such an extreme punishment, but the underlying message of "bad things will happen if you ignore another person's feelings just because they look different" is a really good one.
That sorceress is Third-wave feminism)) Let's curse the 11 year old boy. Let's curse every one who works for him. Let's curse Chip!!!!! LET'S CURSE!!!!!!
@@Brisingam it's time to see who I can curse, let's curse the 11 year boy, let's curse every one who works for hiiimmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!! Let's curse Chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LET IT CURSE!!!!
I may be wrong, but wasn't 11 considered an adult back in that time period? If not, it is awfully close. I know 12 and 13 year olds were considered adult at that time. In fact, the belief was that children were just small adults anyway.
Doesn't matter, he's a prince. A prince with dead parents, the only reason he wasn't King Beast was there was no Catholic Bishop to preside over his coronation. His parents died days ago, and his servants, soldiers, and guards refuse to answer the door. Because he's being hunted by a freaking Evil Shape-shifting Arch-Witch / Sorceress.
+Bob Gibbs That's also true. No matter what age, he'd be made King. He would probably have had a Regent in case he wasn't old enough, but in this case he's fine.
+Bob Gibbs Once apon a time, the perspective king/queen crowned themselves. I have no idea if it was that time period or if the church already had its claws in the Nobility, but that was still a possibility.
I would also like to point out even if the age thing is wrong the rest if still true. The prince still shouldn't be answering the door for strangers OR letting strange old ladies into his house with roses as payment. She could be an assassin or have a disease. In any case even if he was a bit rude in turning her away and looked down on her appearance that in itself in no crime since she's a strange old woman bothering him in the middle of the night. Lastly the sorceress is still a bitch for turning even the child into a cup. I'm assuming that everyone besides the best didn't age during that 10 years since they lacked living bodies because otherwise the existence of a child teacut makes no sense. In any case she basically cursed an entire house of people because the prince who shouldn't have even been answering the door in the first place told some strange old woman to get lose. Just like any sane person would.
+lru Not when you're the prince, though... Murder isn't just bashing someone's head with a chair; it could easily be poison and pretty much everything else. In any case, if the servants were the one who let her in, then yeah, that could happen. But it was in the middle of the night, and the fact that the witch got to the door already meant that any possible guards don't even bother to guard //the entrance//. For all intents and purposes, at that moment, the prince was alone with a stranger of dubious origins and intents.
Skylynxify Reborn I can see why Disney changed that ending..... WTF was up with these ancient writers and their messed up stories? Seriously pretty much every old story from those times worth mentioning is a tragic and/or horrific tale. Did no one know how to write a happy story back then?
+Metazoxan Dexall Waitin that way, since the child did not age, is it not possible that the beast did not change aswell, I mean, none of us really know how a beast( werewolf like creature(?)) age, who know, like with dog years are to humans, human years to the beast can be the same? that as the beast he aged slower
But Belle doesn't have Stockholm Syndrome, she always stands her ground when it comes to the Beast. If any of the Disney characters have Stockholm Syndrome, it's Rapunzel and Quasimodo. They both love their captors, for lack of a better word, but the captors (Gothel and Frollo) don't love their "children" (I guess?) back. Belle is the one to snap back at the Beast, it takes Rapunzel and Quasimodo most of the movies to stand up to Gothel and Frollo.
+Pixel_Cookie If anything Beauty and the Beast is an example of Lima Syndrome, which is the opposite: the captor falls in love with the captive. The beast admits that he loved her before Belle said that she loved him. She wasn't really listening to him and snapped back at Beast. It wasn't until he saved her from the wolves did she even start liking him at least a little.
Is it really Stockholm Syndrome if Rapunzel believed Gothel was her mother? It feels more like Gothel unofficially 'adopted' Rapunzel. I'm not saying Gothel was in the right, but it's not like Rapunzel saw her as a captor until she found out about her real parents.
Even as a little kid, I had always thought it was incredibly messed up for the old witch to have cursed all of The Beast's staff, along with him! I'm sure they had already endured plenty of torment and misery from working under him pre hairy days. What she did to The Beast's staff is *WAY* worse than The Beast's unacceptable behavior of just being a selfish, cold hearted, apathetic, jerk of a beast. Why would she think its okay to condemn all of his servents, too? And *CHIP!!!* For God's sake man! She cursed a *CHILD!!!* How could that kid have EVER deserves that?!?! That is one bitter and nasty old hag of a sorceress, or witch. I can only imagine what she would do if they for her order wrong in McDonald's drive through! Sheesh.
Suddenly, I want to call the FBI out on the witch or really any fictional police organization that are experts in detaining psychopathic magic weilding witches. May she be called out on her wickedness and be executed for her crimes. It would be fitting karma if she also got cursed by her own magic and became an inanimate object just like she did to the others. Best cruel punishment for an evil crueler witch..
Every time I watch a Flim Theory video, every time at the end of the video, I expect: "But hey, that's just a theory, a GAME theory." But it's a FILM theory.
About the thing about not knowing how to handle Belles father showing up, why wouldn't he act that way? It was quite similar to when the woman shows up and curses him and absolutely everyone.
Annabelle Valpey Then why would he be rude again? It's not like locking Belle's father up would free him from the curse. If Belle's father was some magical entity he might have cursed him even more if he be rude again right?
Maybe he was scared. I mean a random (old) stranger shows up inside your home this time and you haven't even seen another person in the last 10 years. Plus the last person you saw cursed you. He probably acted out as a "scared I need to protect myself now" And he is still a kid, he's not a murder so locking up would be the next thing.
*desteny candelaria22* then he is still a child then. mentally he is a child. if you spend your entire late pre teen to teenage years alone and the entities around you don't raise you at all or can't help you and you havent had ANY kind of social contact with humans at all in an age where nothing exists to keep you educated and sane then you are still mentally a child. it's not even about being cursed you can live all on your own secluded from society for a variety of reasons with no one and no guidance and still be nasty. I do feel it's a mix of the curse, the out of touch staff (now objects) and the fact there was no leading prescene to see him through. think about it the lady cursed everyone in the palace around him too. the guy in the video cant seem to form an explanation as to why but it's obvious. the curse was to keep him angry and ignorant in his childish state until someone like belle could come along. which is very wicked in itself even if it is a curse. he can't connect or learn from inanimate objects even if souls are in them. how can a damn teapot and candle holder help him grow up and mature? the lady was really bitter by turning his help into objects cause she made a negative assumption that everyone who works for him and his family is treated like objects and used to death. Aside from using the objects they dont have much use or need in our life unless we have another human around to place a moral meaning or memory to it. Cursing them and turning them into objects meant he would no dobut be stuck as a wolf forever because whether they are human or objects they are still his servants and servants can never talk back to their authority even if the royalty is a child. now that they became pots and pans they really couldnt do shit so even if they had some widsom to offer there was no way to get through to the beast. so yes he is a child. he is somewhat an adult but a child none the less.
If you think of it this way, he broke into the beast home, he doesn't know if her father is theater or not he could have killed him easily but instead decide to lock him up
I’m not sure if anyone else commented this, but I’d assume the evil sorceress changed everyone else into household objects so they couldn’t leave the castle to help him find someone to love, so they’d all be cursed forever.
i have a theory on his age, so basically when the sorceress cursed him, his body stayed the same until it was transformed back into its original form at the end, so his mentality is 10 years older but his body is the same.
This theory establishes some interesting parallels to the phantom of the opera. The phantom, like the beast, suffered something traumatic as a child that caused him to be isolated from others, and like the beast never developed basic social and emotional maturity. In both cases, the beast/the phantom were both watched over by someone who pitied them (the staff in the beast’s case, and the madame in charge of the ballerinas in the phantom’s). Both figures kidnap their love interest. In the Beast’s case, the romantic connection he developed with Belle caused him to flourish and look outside of himself, winning her heart and curing him of the curse. But in the phantom’s story, his lust for Christine was entirely self-serving, though ultimately he too learned to let go of his own misfortune by letting Christine move on with her life.
Matt! If anything, Belle had Lima syndrome, not Stockholm! Geez! Okay, my turn. Yes, it's easy to believe that she has it, as Stockholm syndrome is defined as "when the victim over a time starts to sympathize with their captor." Yes, she is technically a prisoner, but Belle has the ability to leave at anytime. She even walks out the front door! Let's break it down. Stockholm syndrome is more of a defense/survival mechanism. The subject has to feel threatened in order for it to work, and in the case of Stockholm, befriending the captor is not a conscious decision. This is the exact opposite of Belle. While his appearance does frighten her at first, she is rarely threatened by him or finds him threatening. She directly defies him, refusing to eat dinner with him. Her environment isn't threatening either, seeing as she has a friendly wardrobe for a companion. The only time she would have felt threatened is when she was caught in the West Wing. But she admits to the Beast that she was....
(Continued) sorry for touching the rose and that she didn't mean any harm. But when the beast gets violent, her first instinct is not to befriend him. In fact, even between "fight or flight," she chooses to flee. "Promise or no promise, I can't stay here another minute." When the Beast saves her from wolves, she goes to get on her horse. She could have ran off and left him there. But instead, we see her make the conscious choice to help him, as she feels indebted to him. Seeing that he really isn't that bad, she makes 'conscious' choices from there on out to befriend him and to get to know him. In a deleted scene, we even see her teaching him how to read! Finally, here's the nail in the coffin, if she did suffer from Stockholm, she wouldn't have made the decision to leave. Seeing her father in the mirror in a life threatening situation, she feels helpless knowing that she has to stay. Yes, the Beast does "free" her, but if she had suffered from Stockholm, Belle would have either stayed
+Morrgan B (continued) or made a promise to come back. She did none of those things. When she does return, it's a conscious decision, and it is out of her friendship with him (plus, she wants to stop Gaston from killing him). The definition for Lima Syndrome is as follows: "the phenomenon in which abductors develop sympathy for their captives." Beast shows this by making her life better. He doesn't throw her in a tower. He gives her a room. He lets her roam the castle. He gives her a freaking library! After the encounter with the wolves, he sympathized with her and wanted to make her life better. No Stockholm here. But hey! That's just a.... Fact! A film fact! And cut!
+Morrgan B wow! You went really in depth.😐 I'm suprised. Also, do you know anything about Norwegian history? I have ancestry from there and I'd like to know their history.
The reason Beast aged over the 10 years is because he was still a mamal, and thus he could still age. His servants were turned into inorganic objects, thus THEY (and this especially refers to Chip) couldn't age. The destroyed painting could be of a family member. The Enchantress created the stain glass paintings, and she portrayed him as an adult *Edit* I've mostly dropped that last theory but I'm still fond of those two first theoried
total·sax·sap ooh...your theory makes sense...at least regarding the whole thing with the servants not aging but the Prince still does. But that must suck for Chip. Now he has to wait another ten years before he's an adult! Yeesh... But yeah it's all but said that the painting is supposed to be the Beast. I'm going to give the animators a little bit of leeway there since artists were notorious at aging up royal portraits in this time period. But the new movie fixes that so we're good.
missrebellious True! I believe the new movie has child portrait of him instead. I kind of like the idea that the prince/Beast (in the '91 version) grew to resent that portrait because it showed what could possibly never be.
szonja urbanites The beast wasn't allowed to choose. I really doubt you want to be forced into that life without the ability to escape it when you choose. The level of complete isolation that he suffered is known to cause serious mental health issues. It also explains why he completely forgot how to be around other humans and had to be retaught basic social behavior.
Nice theory Matpat, but I'm surprised you didn't bring up the fact he was clearly abandoned by the king and queen. Think about it, they get home from their trip and find their son like *THAT*... surely that would add to the tragedy and inability to find/ comprehend true love because those who should have embraced him no matter what, didn't... but hey, that's my theory
Owen Porter And there's actually a sad reason behind it. Walt Disney's mom died in a house fire in the house that Walt bought for her. It was caused by a faulty furnace. He felt responsible for her death, so he kept killing everybody's parents, or at least their moms, in every movie he made. That's why he even showed little kids Bambi's mother's corpse up-close.
It has been noted that the servants appear to have not aged. The most common example being Chip, who is obviously younger than 10. According to "Be Our Guest" the servants have been "rusting" for 10 years. This offers a second interpretation of the opening scene. In this scene the narrator states that the rose would "bloom until his twenty-first year." While this phrasing typically means until he is 21, it does not explicitly state that. The beast is seen is this opening sequence just as he is portrayed throughout the movie. The beast too shows no signs of aging. The line in the opening scene could mean "until his twenty-first year" as a beast.
I don't think that matters to Disney, I mean... It's an old film, and every single Disney princess has the same age, around 15 and 19 years old. Plus Belle seems a little older, like 17 or 18, but hey that's just me. Also, when the beast recovers his original form he's back as how he was, this means that he didn't age physically nor mentally (since he's been trapped, you know) so he basically remains trapped in time. My english is shitty and I'm sorry lol
I'm rather supprised no one has pointed out the gaping hole in your theory. They've been waiting for 10 years acording to the song right? Yeah, the rose will bloom until his 21 year. Now when Belle comes the Rose is starting to die. By the time she relises she loves him it's almost to late as the last bit of the rose is falling off. So unless your theory is also saying Belle was with the beast for 11 Years then i'm sorry but No. Your theory does not hold. She wasn't there for 11 years. She wasn't even there a year if i remember right. Meaning that the Beast must have been 11 or the song is lying to us.
Francesca C he can always come up with the most convincing stories, like if I happen to be on the jury the day he's in court defending a murderer, I have 0 doubt that he can't come up with a story beyond good enough to save that guys sorry ass.
My response to this though, is that this film is supposed to be set sometime in the 1700s, probably mid to late and during that time, the expectation of hospitality towards strangers was much different that it is today. We don't let any person that knocks on our front door in now because we've been trained not to. We expect to be hurt in some way during the exchange, robbery, death, etc., because we hear about this happening more often. We don't live our entire lives in one village where everyone knows each other. Our lives are more than just one town now and either because news travels faster or because the actually frequency has increase. But that isn't the same as how it was, people were expected to help those who knocked on their door and treat them as their guests. So that is why the sorceress curses not only the Prince but all of his servants since his parents are not seen in either the beginning backstory telling or the rest of the movie is because they were expected to take care of the Prince's education and his knowledge of social expectations. Lol, that's just my guess.
Beauty and the Beast is definitely my personal favorite Disney movie, and I'm so glad this is being talked about! Also it's not Stockholm Syndrome, although there are multiple disney movies that depict it( Hunchback of Notre Dame and Tangled). Belle didn't shoe any interest until she saw the Beast make an effort to change for the better. And she only really fell for him after she was free.
I'm sure you are all familiar with a Disney movie named "Finding Nemo", right? Well, as I'm typing this I have found out that "Nemo" actually means "Nobody/None" in latin. I know you know where this is going, am I right? "Finding Nobody". Could it be? That none of Marley's eggs survived? (Marley = Nemo's dad) Could it be that Marley was trying to find a child that never survived? Did he lose it after seeing his wife and children die?? Or maybe he knew all along... He told Dory he was looking for his son as an excuse. He was really looking for his lost self all this time... All of you that saw the movie know that he didn't actually have a strong character at all. He seemed lost and a bit confused most of the time. Was this "finding my son" thing maybe to find his self? To find a meaning to his life after he lost everything? I really do hope you see this Matt, or anyone. I really do wish you make a theor out of this. Thanks in advance for reading!
Nemo is named after the Captain from the book 20000 leagues Under the Sea. Though they did mention how interesting it was that the captain's name meant Nobody in the book.
Makes so much sense, after i read ur middle part of comment, it made me think that the father was dreaming, like a nightmare, maybe he rilly died with his family, if he was dreaming a nightmare would make sense, first step. His family dies, secpnd step. He looses his son, what a coincidens that out of all fishes hes the one to get taken, like i said nightmares allways end up in the worst ways possible, its like watching horror movie when nothing ever goes right, in dreams/nightmares u are the one that can make everything what u wanna do, liek in dreams u can think of urself being rich, or have superpower, the same was happening with Nemo's(Nobody's Father). But thats just a theory
What about Chip? He is definitely younger than 10 years so how could he even be a cup in the Movie. Come on you don't Really think he's been born as a cup do you? Also there is a painting of the Beast from when he was still human and that was totaly an adult. I think that there was a time freeze so no One got older. That would make much more sense. Don't you think?
Yesssss, but no. We first see images of the prince in the windows of the castle, right? He's also showed as an adult prince, but when you think about it, the sorceress put spells on the whole castle, there might be a big chance the windows and painting are enchanted as well, either to show him what he would look like (Rub it in, sorceress) or to cover her own bad behavior. While everything kind of feels like there is a much longer time pass, it just wouldn't add up and songs in Disney are mostly to summarize a time pass, relate a story, show a character or add details (Exept for translations, where some lose much sense). Now if the prince was already 21 when the sorceress came to him, it would have made no sense for her to tell him he had to find someone who loved him before his 21 years, would it?
Maybe the cutlery had the time freeze, that way, Chip just had to stay, let's say, about around 7,for the next decade of his life, instead of graduating highschool, man,dat sucks more than leaches.:-/
Disney has published a book called As Old As Time, which is Beauty and the Beast but with one twist (the enchantress is Belle's mother), and it states that the Enchantress who cursed him put a spell on a portrait of him to age with him, so that he will be constantly reminded of what he can be.
The enchantress actually knew exactly what he was doing the whole time. You saw in the Beauty and the Beast's Christmas movie that even before he was a a beast he was a brat! He probably would've grown up to be a full on tyrant. The enchantress didn't curse him because she he didn't let her in. The spell was actually part of a much larger and grander plan. The whole thing with the old lady asking for shelter thing was just a justification for the prince and an important lesson about not judging by appearances. She could've just cursed him given him the rose and took off but he would be all like, 'But I didn't even do anything!' Well now he can't say that. Perhaps it is true that an 11 year old boy shouldn't let an old lady into his house but his motivation for doing it had nothing to do with stranger danger he did it because he was a brat and she was ugly, and when she became a beautiful enchantress he didn't try to apologize because he was a good boy. It's spoiled brat 101 in the event that a punishment appears imminent throw out an apology and hope the chumps give you a pass. Now the curse does seem like an awful thing but look at what happens as a result. We have Belle, a girl who wanted to have an adventure and to see something amazing and find love with someone kind and unique all of which she got. We have the prince an arrogant spoiled brat who learned to love and to be kind and compassionate and not be so quick to judge by appearances. He also learned to control that temper of his. As for the people they lost 10 years but considering they were about to be ruled by a cruel vicious tyrant and ended up with this nice gentle ruler they came out ahead on the deal too. So in the end everyone got something good out of the curse. Oh and please, stop with the Stockholm Syndrome thing! When people have Stockholm Syndrome they start to see being locked up as affection but the more freedom she was given the closer they became, and when she almost ran away she didn't come back because she missed her captor she came back because her 'captor' just almost got killed rescuing her. She took him back home and healed him up out of gratitude and became more open to the idea that maybe there was more to him then she first thought. That was when their relationship started to blossom. If you need more evidence then this to know he enchantress could see the future and mapped the whole thing out start to finish look at the timing. 21st year to find true love, what an impossible deadline that could never happen...but it did. Even bigger then that it had to be that moment that he turned back into a human. If he had turned a few seconds sooner he would have been stabbed after transforming and would have died. If she said I love you three seconds later the spell would have ended and they'd be cursed forever. The enchantress have him the time he needed to earn Belle's love down to the second! Not even to the day to the second! Plus the transformation back into a human also healed the stab wound, could the spell have been purposefully designed to do that? It seems pretty coincidental to me with the timing and the healing powers of the spell and everyone getting something good out of this aside from an evil narcissistic braggart who true to blackmail Belle into marrying him who got killed.
Yeah, this definitely wasn't one of his better ones - even the topic is predictable. Has he really changed this much over a year? MatPats gotta a lot better than this :P
Lance Clearman part of being a film theory fan is being open to any possibility but do you have any new evidence to support this? I do hope so, I enjoy theoretical debates.
It will bloom till his "21st year" can imply his 21st year of being a beast. It doesn't necessarily mean his 21st year of life. He is clearly older than 11 in the stained glass and the portrait. The Broadway version did solve this confusion by changing the lyrics to "would bloom for many years."
SerenityBane just gonna add a bit more evidence, the servants said that they've been rusting for 10 years and like you said the flower will bloom until his 21st year. Therefore it can't be until his 21st year as a beast because he's only been one for 10 years and the flower has almost wilted..
Haha yes. But let's not forget that in order to show that beauty is within, the old hag turned into a beautiful creature. Reminds me of when my grandmother took my Halloween candy saying it's bad for me, reciting so whilst eating most of it in front of me.
Jade Park To be fair, one could assume she didn't physically become beautiful, but instead showed him her soul in a way he'd understand. Then again, it takes a real witch to do what she did to an 11 year old.
Jade Park At least the sorceress tried to wrap a lesson around her display of power. The fairy in Sleeping Beauty just straight out claims that death is a fitting punishment for a forgotten invitation.
Except, it's NOT just a theory, Matpat! Disney released an animated short that served as a prequel to Beauty and the Beast, wherein Prince Adam, the prince who becomes The Beast, actually is an eleven year old boy. So, you know, that's the second film theory you've pushed out that isn't actually a theory at all, but a straight up FACT, taken directly from the media. The other not-really-a-theory, the Harry Potter not being the chosen one thing has like twelve pages dedicated to it in the books, explaining literally every aspect of your video on the subject, and even going further, saying that it was Voldemort's CHOICE, his actions in attacking Harry's family, instead of Neville's, that solidified Harry's role as the Chosen One, and then they spent a good amount of time delving into the psychology behind the character and explaining WHY Voldemort perceived baby Harry as a bigger threat than baby Neville, and what that says about Voldemort's own up-bringing. And it directly leads into the entire premise of the sixth book, where Dumbledore is giving Harry private lessons about learning exactly how Voldemort grew to be as demented as he is.
RosekiSommers The Harry Potter theory has been dealt with in the book, not the movies, so he made a theory based on the movie with some element of the book.
MatPat in the new film many mistakes including Lumier saying "10 years" was fixed to "many years" and in the film it shows the Beast rejected the enchantress whilst being an adult
Mika Moraleja You're taking the word of that thing? In that one the feather duster is a swan. Lumiere is trying to fuck a swan feather duster and you still trust its word? Or that they gave both Cogsworth and Mrs. Potts spouses? Or make it so the Enchantress can REVERSE DEATH?! You really listen to that one more over the original? What are you doing on a channel meant for rational thinking people?
An 11 year old prince makes sense. Remember: During Shakespearean times, people had a short enough lifespan that puberty was adulthood. They got married at the age of THIRTEEN (ie: Romeo & Juliet)!
Here's what might have happened... Knock on castle door at night (at the time the prince should be going to bed...NOT as late as they make you think it was). The prince happened to be closest to the door. Being a kid, his curiosity persuades him to open the door. The old lady tells him that she wants to enter his castle and claims it's due to the weather. The prince judges her by appearance (as kids tend to do) and is scared. The old lady turns into a young lady. The prince thinks that she's angry with him (he's more courteous, because she's not "creepy looking", anymore); so, he tries to apologize. Having been insulted by a vain royalty member (as if royalty was NOT vain back then), she curses him. Any servants that happen to show up around that time (they would probably have gotten there while the lady transformed herself and the prince apologized) would have misunderstood what had occurred and gone after the sorceress. At THAT point, she would have cursed the rest of the castle. And to think...the curse was based on a MISUNDERSTANDING. I've seen things like this (minus the curse casting, of course) in TODAY's world. Talk about deep symbolism!
PokéTriforce The shortened life span thing actually isn't true. If you lived to puberty, i.e. making it past infant mortality, you could often live to 60's-70's. The numbers are brought down due to infant mortality (like 1 out of 2 or 3 kids die in their first 5 years or something). The marrying at 13 is true though, and a good theory to go with
James A Clouder Well people only ever lived that long if they where royalty, most commoners did have a short lifespan due to all the hard/dangerouse work and lack of sanitation
actually even commoners had a longer life span and it really only dropped during industrial revolution.which was thanks to high pollution and the dangerous work.but pretty much 60's and 70's was average.
MayanExpression Actually the poor had better nutrition. the rich didn't want to seem poor by eating plants, so they ONLY ate meat. this has quite a few issues for them as you might imagine.
Could you do a theory about how Chip was even alive when, as he seems to be a rather young child, he wouldn't even have been born when the servants were cursed?
+Sackbot 2011 Maybe she was banging on the door as loudly as she could and incessantly. The real question is why the prince answered instead of the butler.
+THEPELADOMASTER Yeah, I mean, keep in mind where his room is. It's WAY up in the West Wing. With the doors shut and all that tapestry and carpet in between, he wouldn't have heard a thing.
+THEPELADOMASTER What young kid ISN'T on the computer looking at porn in the middle of the night? Chance are the prince was awake already doing what you'd expect any young boy would be doing... Trying to find a pair of boobs to stare at.
