Film Theory: Star Wars, Why don't Force Ghosts do EVERYTHING? 

You underestimate my power!!

dont do it aniken!

Ahhhh ahh

" I don't like sand. It's coarse, and rough, and irritating, and it gets everywhere"

Take my upvote

The tatooine woman: oh f*** I’m outta here

The new just when you think your safe ad pisses me off

*furiously double taps*

No no more please its its everywhere xD

@@DeathByHotcakes no he is the senate

It began with "all force sensitives just become a force ghost when they die" and then changed

i mean sith can't become force ghosts

@@loydtheliar5659 it's never said they can't, but see how even Yoda didn't know it was possible and had to undergo the training in order to become a force ghost, so I would say if a sith knew about it and took the training it could be possible

@@arjavjain7229 i mean, i know this is legends, but in many of the games it was mentioned that sith can't become force ghosts because they use the force differently than jedi

@@loydtheliar5659 hmm I didn't know that

Exactly. That last part of the video made me a bit mad because the answers legit were in the movies.

Now I’m not a jedi but I feel like killing death vader instead of completing one jedi’s training is a win in the long run

They could've helped against the Stormtroopers.

also supposedly in the original script they did help

Except Vader is hundreds of miles above Endor.

Agreed

no duh

Indeed

D E F I N A T E L Y

Zippy Zach Attack* Its treason then

And she also turns to the Dark Side to follow in Jar-Jar's footsteps

Honestly would've preferred this.

Right after she said Skywalker, the lady should have slapped her with Luke's traffic violations, from when he nearly hit her, entering Toschi Station.

No god no please no

Darth jar jar figured out how to become a force ghost without being a Jedi.

That show was awful qui Gon can't turn into a force ghost his training is incomplete

@@johnstrife7 He continued his training in the afterlife. Darth Vader has NO Force Ghost training, but he figured it out.

@teddyvaker4759 I think as Anakin was dying obi-wan appeared and taught him how to do it

@@teddybaker4759So did Leia, which was interesting. I wonder if Luke taught her during the training she had with him?

I just chalk it up to Tatooine being home to 2 very powerful Skywalkers, as well as the supposed place of Anakin's immaculate conception. So much important stuff happened there that the Force must have been fairly strong. Totally reaching, but that's kinda what this channel is about.

qui gon has some training he can manifest as a voice

@@symtrick4782 Right, but he cannot manifest a body. He never finished his training

Haha, identify theft go brrrrr!

Ah yes I understand that Office reference

I don't think Rey Understands the power that name carries

This comment is golden

I understand that reference

yup summed it up perfectly

Mistake?

He also sits on a log. It's definitely intentional that ghosts always could interact with the physical world.

Disney: Write this down, write this down!!!

@Hara Isbara There is a rumor they are going to make Sequel trilogy non canon.

Can't anyone that had some experience in the physical world in Star Wars continue their training even after they became a force ghost? Heck why are we just focused on his appearance here when he also appeared in the clone wars too.

He lived by the will of the force, allowing it to guide him in life, he was closer to the force than any other Jedi of the day, most falling to bureaucracy, but quigan was taught how to come back after he died, then he tought obi wan the same power that os the training he is about to go do in the show. In life and legend of obi wan it goes in to better detail

Didn't Qui-Gon say at the end of Kenobi that he had been following Obi Wan as he lived on Tatooine? If Obi Wan _had_ been training like Matpat pointed out, then couldn't Qui-Gon just have been training with him, or at least watching him train and, for lack of a better term, taking notes on how to do it? Tell me what you all think

He already pulled it off by Rebels.

@@sonicinfinity1871 ture but that was one of the force nexuses therefore allowing him to show himself

Ok Rey solo Sorry

I think it would be better if she said "Rey Palpatine", showing that she is not afraid of who she is.

I did like the last jedi, and if the ryse of skywalker followed in the steps of that the last jedi then the trilogy would have felt way more conected, and not like only the first and last movies happened and the last jedi was a weird dream. Just Rey would have been perfect, or the people getting inspiration to fight back from luke skywalker.

@@Smile-wd6rz I approve

rey had some real potential to be a good character if they'd stuck with treating her like an organic h-bomb (unpredictable, strong but undisciplined...) like luke did in TLJ

Hey if all you've got are straws you grasp at them

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@@anojamalalage7242 The time has come...Execute Order 666

She’s not a bad guy, just a bad character XD

okay now THAT would have been awesome if it were in the movie.

@FRANK - i would have given the movie 10/10 if they did that

Perfection

Lol

Laughed

good times

Good timessssss

Ikr

I think he ruined his own theory, he says that the dark side and light side of the force use different sensitivity’s 10:30, resulting in users of different sides of the force either having an advantage or disadvantage, he then goes onto say that force ghosts can only appear at locations with strong force presence( nexus). With obi wan appearing in dagobah 12:48, but dagobah is strong in the dark side of the force so obi wan shouldn’t be able to appear here, meaning that only light side force nexus’s will be able to spawn force ghosts as dark side users can’t use the ability

@@ryanmatthews1096 I think he meant that some areas on Dagobah are stronger in the Dark side and other areas on Dagobah are stronger in the Light side, the cave he was telling Luke about was stronger in the Dark side

but it was

He does only appear for a few seconds though, and it's been established that he can only appear as a ghost where the force is strong, whether that means there's a lot of life or a force nexus. I'd say it's likely a force nexus is near where he appeared in that one scene.

@Tin Watchman why does "moisture farm" not really inspire thoughts of "teeming with life"?

Tattooine is a force nexus

Ohhhh yeah

Ghost yoda was so op

Yah, try doing the battle where you had to fight your P2, but your both ghosts.

I remember how hard they were to get when I was a kid because they were expensive and I didnt like grinding when I was younger

And were invisible

They have seen it and they see the past, present, and future. They *saw* it but they also saw what was coming after. Also they weren’t fighting on Endor.

@@king_supreme1102 Leia was

Ah, Leah has the teddy bear squad. She'll be fine.

An army of teddybears armed with ropes vs a well trained army with weapons and vehicles, and the cute small ones wins ? It might be to long to film, but they got some ghost help for sure.

I bet the “aura” around the sith force wielders is preventing ghosts from appearing around them... as siths absorb much more energy (even from nothing) compared to jedies.

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Hoho! Mickey will break your legs if you say ONE BAD THING about Rise of Skywalker!

Wait, he was sarcastic when he praised the movie.

@@shinyjose5467 That's why we love him.

@@shinyjose5467 I am not sure about that. He usually talks more clearly sarcastic when he is sarcastic.

That’s the point

I loved that moment

ruining the 69 likes be like

I'll make the same basic framework of a point that Matpat does here -- there's a ton of valid complaints and criticisms, but THIS isn't one of them. This was not a completely contradictory act. What Rey appears to be doing here toward the end is truly getting rid of the lightsaber, possibly even destroying it. What Luke did at the beginning of The Last Jedi was just making a point. He tosses it very lightly behind himself, behind him where he knows full well there's still plenty of levels of island. There's literally no way the lightsaber will actually be damaged at all from what he does, and he's perfectly aware of that. Luke's just trying to get cute and fancy to win an argument. Rey was trying to genuinely squash the thing forever.

@@kevinw712 Please don't try to defend bad movie decisions. If you have to write the reason for the movie, it means that they didn't think about it at all and was just a bad decision on their part.

I love this.

Lmao, sounds accurate XD

Brilliant

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Yep, at least I can die happy now that Mattpat mentioned the clone wars

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@@pabloparedesdiaz9591 Stop reposting this you stinky.

it’s treason then

sinking book83 just stop

I see you everywhere obi wan

U drifted up to the high ground

Can u teach me to become a jedi obi wan?

Where were you on Endor!!!

Death sticks you say?

Percy Jackson reference my friend

Yeah but in actual Greek/Roman mythology, demigods didn't have powers from their god/goddess parents.

That’s....not true

........ Exactly, lifeless

But they don’t live there naturally, since it’s an artificial moon. Same with Cloud City. People live there, but they ain’t supposed to.

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What do you think they eat? Is their a livestock area in the death Star?

@@bartudundar3193 plus, if you read some of the accounts from workers on the death star, you begin to realize how empty it was, it had the depth of a small moon and a total surface area larger then some countries, that area really begins to make 1.6 million feel smaller.

Obi-Wan is a troll even in the face of death

Yep. If Vader killed Obi-wan there would at least be burn marks on the cloak.

@Tweety Song Hello There

@@WrensthavAviovus Imagine if Obi-wan disappeared into the force, the robe falls to the floor, Vader's reflex was too slow, swipes at thin air, then Ben appears to him as a ghost and mocks him saying: "Missed me by that much!" in Don Adams voice. (sounds like the kind of joke you'd see in Star Wars (Robot Chicken) or Spaceballs).

Uuuh what, 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

You're right, that is minor because Matpat already mentioned that Luke wasn't thinking during their duel and was purely trying to strike Vader.

Im pretty sure that was just a joke, but yeah ur point is tottaly valid! /gen

@@ilinca781 uh what does /gen mean

@@xavier51 /gen means genuine/ genuine question

@@ilinca781 oh okay thanks

It’s not a “flaw”

Lol..."a little sneaky"

@@hollownite4165 uh oh how unfortunate

It’s not a flaw, it’s a feature, 😶😅, but on the real though, it’s not a flaw

ofoers What is a retcon?

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Listen up here's a story about a blue guy living in blue world.

@Corn Peyton Noone under 30 knows what that means lol

Sounds like avatar

my theory is that they were watching and literally decided that Luke was doing just fine and didn't need to help. they probably were able to see the outcome through the force and decided that if they tried to interfere then its possible that Luke wouldn't win. Also they said he had to do it alone.

i think it's lees bout luke & more bout trying to get anakin back to the light side. if u listen to the music when luke fought anakin, u can hear the choir prominently like as if it's a bunch of force ghosts screaming for him to get back to the light side

What other movie actor came back for the show? Every character got new voice actors for the show. I guess Ian McDiarmid did return for a small cameo as Palpatine for Order 66, but that was only after Sam Witwer had played the character regularly for years too.

The way I heard it, it sounded like " too expensive to be any more than some cameos".

He was supposed to do it in 2 or 3 but broke his leg if I remember correctly

Tweety Song yeah Samuel L Jackson didn’t say Motherf*****

**Liam Neeson probably appearing in the Kenobi series**

Or more accurately. Disney: “execute order 66” I don’t think the mouse really wants to put in the effort

At this point they should just hire Matpat to make the new trilogy

Don't lie, you know they won't.

Palpatine: "your ghost friends can't help you here" that's it, problem solved

Not really. Many people had problems with midichlorians because they tried to make something magical (the force) into a science. It’s like saying that proving Harry Potter magic is actually based on plant power would be an improvement to the universe.

The senate will decide his fate

I mean technically yeah it's a spinoff show

And shall be executed as such

MatPat isn't wrong tho TCW is basically filler for the movies. If it was up to me I'd make Star Wars take place in different universes like Lego Star Wars so continuity won't be messed up and writers can continue to tell the story they want without being limited to make sense for the movies. Original Trilogy-Main universe Prequel Trilogy-Alternate universe Sequel trilogy-Separate universe The Clone Wars animated series-Focuses on the stormtroopers in a what if universe Rebels and Resistance-Their own universes that are canon to each other

Albert The Peacock Its not stormtroopers in TCW, they are clones. Big differens

Do you mean the Sith Inquisitor storyline in SWTOR ? Since it is a dark side technique, and an especially obscure one, I am not sure if the Jedi would be aware of it. Besides, it is best not to bring up the ancient expanded universe when discussing the new films : it is a depressing reminder of much better stories than those we got...

i think that would make some degrees of sense. the dark side always has a way of twisting things. also given how rare the knowledge of force trancendance(what i will call the act of becoming a force ghost), the need for the technique to slay force ghosts or otherwise banish them would be rare. however it all ties into how the philosophies of the dark and light sides struggle with eachother. while light side wielders could likely more easily learn the technique of force trancendance(since it aligns with their philosophy more), the dark side would struggle more with it, since they are often focused heavily on matters of life, like building and sustaining empires, trying to save people they are close too, and clinging onto material life as much as they can. this would likely explain why it would be the darkside that would develop such a technique. if we consider how darkside and light side might operate from a dnd angle...light side would be like positive energy, restoring, preserving and bringing life into the universe. the darkside meanwhile is negative energy, the domain of necromancy and undeath, that maintains life by drawing it away, killing those they take it from, or twising life to go against the natural process. true balance would be to ensure that neither of these forces grows too strong. too much light side/positive energy and people no longer bother to innovate and people and lives and civilisations stagnate. meanwhile too much darkside or negative energy and there is no growth or benefit. only the endless taking of life to sustain a few.

technically paplaitne kinda did that with 2 living pathetic idiots, ben skywalker and Rey 'Skywalker; so if the method was originally meant for ghosts, than obviously he would have done it to the army of ghosts as seen is hishe. So much for luke impressing his father

The problem that invalidates this point is that The Old Republic is no longer canon

This needs more likes, however since SW is a masterpiece of an afterthought, I can't really care.

1. Vader went down to the forest moon's surface to take custody of Luke and escort him back up to Palpatine on the Death Star. Remember when Vader talks to Luke on the covered catwalk or skyway thing or whatever that connected to the landing platform? According to the video's theory, Obi-Wan and Yoda should have been able to attack Vader at that point. 2. One would think the midichlorians or whatever of all of the people on the Death Star would still be far more than enough for the Death Star to count as teeming with life. For one thing, I assume that it was manned more or less throughout its interior, whereas we've at least historically thought of most life living above ground or in relatively shallow (compared to the overall diameter of an Earth-like planet, that is) bodies of water.

They can sorta see a little into the future too, so knowing that if they interfered, Vader would not have the character development that would be necessary to defeat Palpatine would make sense!

Also its not like every single jedi ever was a force ghost. We only know like 4 jedi that can do it so I think its kinda balanced for them to be that OP

That actually makes sense.

That would be an easy simple answer but the last Jedi messed that up when Luke duels the angry kid as a ghost

@@josephaurelius5567 Luke wasn't a ghost in that scene, more like a projection

In the Vader comics obi wan talks to vader as a ghost

Isn't rey a dark side user... A bit?

I'm thinking Yoda used more of his own midichlorians when making the lightning because as a force ghost he's mostly made up of the stuff. and since he's powerful he can afford to

I thought he just altered where natural lightning was going to strike, it was already storming over the island.

Well as long as the birds were seagulls it's all good.

Cough* cough* media

this is legit his best SW theory because it actually fits the overarching theme made by George Lucas

No, its bad and inconsistent writing. Force ghosts weren't able to do this before, and if they had been able to before, it would've opened up a lot of plot holes. Matpat is essentially having to provide his own head-canon in order to console with the glaring issues that JJ Abrams and Ryan Johhnson have added to Star Wars.

The Mandalorian is up there though.

its still an animated spinoff.

The Phineas and Ferb crossover *Cough* *Cough*

Calling something a spinoff doesn't mean the content is bad.

Clone wars season 7 and the mandalorain are the best Star Wars content that Disney will make

Also crappy story

Darth Plagueis was a dark lord of the sith so powerful and so wise he could manipulate the midichlorians to create life.

General Hux wasn't a good guy, he just didn't like Kylo Ren.

@@hatguy8225 wrong

I'm confused about the first one? Isn't it good that useless characters got hardly any screen time

Lol

"Luke I'll always be your wing man"

He has to, for the high ground

He coulnt fit on the ship, it’s a single person cockpit

Yes absolutely

First

Mot Goai wonderful video old chap

I'm going with a subterranean ocean full of simple life forms idea. 🤔

I like the theory, and agree that it's tied to Force Nexuses. However, I disagree that force nexuses = life. The Jedi Temple on Lothal had very little life around it being surrounded by mostly empty planes with only a few lothcats around, but was very strong with the force. I think these nexuses are more likely "thin" areas where the veil between dimensions is weaker. In the case of Lothal, this manifested in a portal to the World Between Worlds. Ahch-to had an actual hole which led Rey to some weird mirror/vision dimension. And Mortis was likely a realm in between the real world and the Force dimension.

What? Your therapists don't smack you with a cane? They're not doing their job right then...

@@ItBePatYo they roda rolla me

TurtleBoiYT WRYYyYYYYyYYYYy!!!!!!!!!!!

sometimes people need to be treated like an old Magnavox.. smack it till it works

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spinoff does not mean bad. a masterpiece does not mean free of fault (although I personally believe it isnt much of a masterpiece)

He was being sarcastic about it being a masterpiece

@@ACESENTAIL I agree!

(Insert Sith Battlecry)

@@athan13590 a masterpiece means not major faults at the very least

Hey, if I found out the biggest evil in the galaxy was my grandfather just a day or two before I go to fight him, I'd be pretty traumatized to hear his surname over and over even after killing him.

@@EatAnOctorok I'd say palpatine was my grandfather, do you how much money he has in an estate on naboo?

I thought u were james lol

You not the first person to say that.

Would you take Hitlers name, even if he's your granpa? Yeah no. You wouldn't.

Rumor has it that 7, 8, and 9 are going to be made non-canon and brand new 7, 8, and 9 are going to come out under the production of the guy who made The Mandelorian.

@@Ryanowning I'd love that, with the same characters because each character actually had potential. JJ and Rian just did them dirty.

@@Ryanowning that's not a rumor. That's just right wingers making up stuff. There's no way to erase those from canon as several actors are deceased or no longer interested in the series. Disgruntled fans should just accept the fact that the prequels weren't good either and TLJ is thematically in line with George.

@@theresamartinez7517 no. Luke was always going to end up a hobo so Rian did him right

@@Ryanowning They could relatively easily create a 'soft' non-canon through books and comics, but there is no way they are taking the risk of shouting 're-do' on the entire trilogy.

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No, Lego Star Wars sucks.

Lego Star Wars is the best Star Wars product ever

didn't even give him enough power to stand up while talking.

Obi-wan became one with the Force. The whole Force. Obi-wan is the Force, and the Force is Obi-wan. That's what he means by being more powerful. The Force has unlimited power, and since Obi-wan is the Force, that's his unlimited power.

@@AbjectPermanence The Ultimate High Ground.

Maybe he just has a terrible imagination

@@AbjectPermanence nah. Only the emperor has unlimited power.

thats what I thought because he appeared on Tatooine a place with little life.

What?

Anika? Don't bring Seven into this!

This seemed like a comment L from Death Note would say and I'm so proud

@philipp ii. yep, and so is your sense of humour, it never existed.

"YOULL BE DEAD!!!" - that creepy cantina guy

Well. He said pretty much this in a Game Theory about Fallen Order, so...

bill wurtz: -merchants,probably

rami stated 13,495 years

Around 10 years, but the original plan was for it to be 10,000 years

10 or maybe 30 years but I wanna see it too. Like the comment to matpat can see

ya

I'm very disappointed that no one so far has said one day.

Or when that boy was working as a servant to basically the most evil person in the galaxy

Well there is another big plot hole why didn’t anakin’s force ghost ever tell anyone about exegal he had been there before palpatine explained it to him his son was searching for it for years and his grandson had fallen to the dark side because of lies he could’ve confirmed were false at any time

float. at ground level

Including the high ground

@@dounutman1310 nice!

Also, they create sound waves. 😅

@@averyhaferman3474 Obi Wan walks over to Luke in ROTJ, he even brushes aside vines as he walks by them, stops and holds his posture while obviously standing on the ground. Then he sits on a log. No floating, you're thinking of It.

Meh, not cannon, sorry bub, but Disney ruined your love

@@thnecromaniac Still Star Wars. Their point stands.

@@thnecromaniac Disney star wars isn't canon, what's your argument now. The vast majority of fans hated the sequel trilogy, because of this there have been discussions that have been released from Lucas film and Disney about simply ignoring the prequel trilogy ever existed in future films. In other words removing them from canon. Thus it can be stated fans not corporate entities with a large wallet and an IP right dictate what is and isn't real. Furthermore creative executive for Lucas film Matt Martin had this to say "It’s all fake anyway so you can choose to accept whatever you want as part of the story." So there you go, none of Disney's star wars in canon and all the good fiction from legends is.

@@vampuricknight1 ok, that was an explanation

Im a Darth Revan stan, loved the Old Republic

@@FlameOnTheBeat And they should remove that stupid line where Rey "senses" Chewie... Didn't she sense him before!? ... But that is one of the lesser problems of the sequels.

Pun intended?

Take my like and leave

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