Final Fantasy 14 Drama.. 

Also gameplay. Why,just God WHY did they continue to double down on casualizing classes after shadowbringers?

The story is so fucking bad. I had to start skipping some cutescenes to just stay sane.

@@aldetauri7831 skipping life to enjoy the life

​@@ChimpanzeeUltraim not even kidding when I tell you all you have to do is read the first few pieces of dialog to know what is going to happen. They repeat the point over and over.

No it's not, the problem was the pacing in the start and some narrative structure, like wuk lamat beign the protagonist almost every time that she appears, besides that, dialogues, new characters and the expansion of the lore was really good

at least he finished Monster hunter, well, the story anyway.

TBH CP77 is like million times better than FFXIV.

That’s the same day that he plays Genshin

​@@Navhkrin the games are very different genres, they can't really be compared tbh

​@@Navhkrin pfffft

Why would he bother making it professional? Any ctiticism of anything he does is just transphobia

The writting and the pacing is not bad, you would know this having you play, itstead your troll copy pasting what others say

@@fredy2041 Realize that you are in the minority of people who think it's good lol

​@@fredy2041just admit you have bad taste. No one is agreeing with your bad takes, no matter how many comments you beg and plead in.

@@fredy2041 Stop defending bad writing. Stormblood and ARR in terms of writing and VA were bad....we're getting a repeat when these lessons should have been learned 8 years ago.

@@fredy2041 I made it to about level 97/98 and just stopped caring. Ive never skipped MSQ cutscenes at any point until now. I was genuinely having to force myself through this expansion and i started it off really excited for it. If the games post patches are just as bad i just can't see myself enjoying this game anymore if the story and world falls apart due to horrible writing and character assassinations.

I read these comments for your comments. They do not disappoint.

Only his streams dissapoint: *watches 20 min vid* says very agreeable things & ends reaction with a segue onto another video only for him to endlessly watch videos and not play games. (And if he does - he constantly complains and quits playing - only to go back & react instead)

Yet your being transphobic

Yet your being that person

@@bauloprete3905 "that person" wdym

@@bauloprete3905 What are you even saying. The guy is saying that any legit criticism is going to be thrown out because the character is trans.

@@bauloprete3905 you prove his point.

I would say she's insufferable until the credits roll

90% of the lines are this character. You can't escape her.

I'd agree that she's just not a very interesting or compelling character but it has absolutely nothing to do with her having a trans VA for the English version, like Kern is suggesting. This is obvious for everyone with two brain cells to see by the reviews being mixed in every language.The issue is 100% the writing and the lack of quality/interesting elements.

not if you skipped the MSQ lol

exactly! people upset by the fact that the game was exactly this failed to understand that this was the point from the start and tbh, it annoys me that this failure is doing so much damage to the game

no it went woke woth gulool jaja wuk jamat something being the villain and some ff9 copycat garnet being like im the final.boss and becomes some mechon

Finally a sane take.

People don't like DTs MSQ because it's boring. Small stakes is not an excuse for hours and hours of talking to wuk lamat, generic fetch quests, talk to 3 NPCs for information. It's like beast tribe quality of writing for an entire msq.

It sucks too because it seems like of newer or maybe younger gamers just don’t give a damn about story anymore either. Which explains why so much gets retconned and it’s only us older gamers who grew up with some of these games are annoyed with it haha.

all mmo r over rated, with exception to the very first wow. after that all the same shit

problem???

i see no problems here

He can't keep getting away with this

As a regular XIV player, I don't blame him. Dawntrail is an overextended beach episode, nothing to rush back for.

You can't compare her to emet selch. That's not fair at ALL, there aren't many characters in any ff media that can live up to him

Dude. Are you joking? Have you been paying attencion? She litersly expresses how weak she is at lvl 92. Your a liar.

@@bauloprete3905 But her personality does not change at all and she gets a random power boost out of nowhere...Bakool Ja Ja could block her strongest attack with ease , a few quests later she destroys him with his goons helping. It ist stupid.

@@eternalgamingforum7562she literaly does. Either you have the attencion of a child or seems you hate growth on a fenale character. Go back to collegue kid. Read a book

You can hear that it is a man trying to put on uwu voice. Pretty revolting.

No it isn't. It is a journey to learn of the myriad of cultures that live on Tural. Add to that that it is Wuk Lamat's journey for growing up. From becoming the self-conscious, childish idiot to actually becoming a good leader. I get how people may be upset how we aren't the main character anymore. But they need to realize that this rite of succession isn't a threat to us. Wuk Lamat could have literally used us as a attack dog to immediately win any competition. But it was HER job to overcome it.

⁠​⁠@@imaran1303It is ARR and Stormblood, but better. It is a story about growing up and filling a big shoe for Wuk Lamat. To us, its a vacation. I go into the expansion with that mindset, and it is pretty great.

@@MenrvaS Exactly.

​@@imaran1303 And the the ARR Titan build up quests were you going to earn the trust of the scattered remaining member of the company of heroes and earn their trust to understand the sacrifice required in culling the unending primal threat for ephemeral peace. The point is, in a game that is basically a visual novel going from point A to B and talking to npc's, doing these quests are tedious and not fun and the trope of overcoming evil using the power of friendship in a plot is just poor unengaging plot-writing. To make the visual novel aspect work the plot has to be good to mask the fact that the gameplay is just talking to npcs and fetching crap. All other expansions have done a good jobs of this, Dawntrail fails miserably at this until you get to X'ak Tural/Catboy Texas.

@@wessel4111 You realize that this 'Power of friendship' thing has been a thing since Heavensward right? Heck! The reason we won against Meteion is because of the power of friendship when our friends pray for our success and our safe return. It has been a part of FF14 forever, and you complaining about it NOW of all times sounds disingenous. FF14 was never really about fighting mobs in our MSQ outside of dungeons and trials and solo instances. And we are the person who traveled to the edge of the universe and beat the manifestation of depression in the universe... it would have felt more jarring if they had us go beat up boars to collect 5 boar asses, us sitting back and babysitting a noob who was still growing to be a good leader was the best way they could have done it.

There was a point were they're talking about the Mamook issue and you ask Wuk Lamat if Bakool Ja Ja's backstory excuses what he did and she said no, but after that there didn't seem to be any real consequences for him(as of entering the level 96 storyline). "Team Rocket" antics are one thing, releasing a being that has attacks that do massive destruction and endure for decades is another. Even if no one died, the potential was there. Then again, what would the consequence be? He's not showing his faces because he's tearing himself up inside. Gaius led armies to rain death and destruction in conquest although he was sort of killed and came back to fight against the Ascians. Emet Selch assisted in the destruction of worlds, tried to show us that it was a good thing and we killed him because he was going to see it through. Zenos treated death and killing as a game and we killed him because he was going to continue that path. Meteion's sisters wouldn't listen to her and were singing destruction to the universe and we killed them. So maybe with Bakool Ja Ja's mental state, the traditional noble sacrifice? Maybe for the giants? Maybe something post-game will pop up since you haven't seen any repercussions for him and I'm only halfway through.

​@@TheCuriousPuppyi think they lead him to noble sacrifice. But he became so chilling and cool dude, it will be sad :c

skip the story and you dont have to worry about it being bad or mid

I think this is a recurring problem. There are several parts where issues that should have taken much more time to build up and resolve, are kind of rushed past.

@@sn5806 Which do absolutely nothing but actually good PR. The moment when investors realize the untapped potential of rage baiting the woke mob for free publicity.

I don't know, did Elden Ring really need to pay George RR Martin?

Yes lmao, when you have a massive fantasy world, someone has to be the dictionary to make sure events fall properly within the lore

No...But yes.

@@sn5806this. Remember 16? I mean the game was also legitimately bad,but they hilariously convinced people that yoshi p,the most progressive Japanese dev ever..was somehow racist. Reminder ff14 WILL take the side of the “marginalized” every. Single. Time. If they get reported. I was banned for IN DETAIL making a report on mentors who were g wording minors in the returnees chat. Something that is PUBLIC. Which is outrageous they were comfortable doing that in a public chat. Turns out there were trans. (Cuz of course they were. 🙄)

No one care about this game anymore . Its actually crazy how there is 0 hype for the expansion.

@@lolilol5346 Damn you got ratioed into the shadow realm.

@@lolilol5346dude it’s literally top 3 biggest mmos of all time and have kept that position forever now, right now it’s actually the biggest beating out Wow and runescape in player counts. This game will literally never ever fall off

@@Akantorz ...? he didn't though I don't think it matters because this comment has 214 likes and there are 8 billion people on the planet

@@Grimnoire He replied the same day to the comment and has only 6 likes, that says a LOT. I posted a comment slightly after him and almost have just as much likes. Comments like his are just dumb anyone, so it was just poking fun at him.

This is a very interesting perspective thank you

The game reached it's natural endpoint in Endwalker. They're dragging out an already finished title in order to milk the whales. That's why it's so bad. It's the same reason most comic books end up as shit after a while. Everything stems from that.

There's so many areas you can point to that signify weak direction, rushed development, or a lack of concern for the story they were telling. So many scenes where characters talk about how they feel instead of acting. So many scenes where the WoL is just standing near the edge of the frame watching other people do stuff. Hell, they didn't even bother providing alternate cutscene animations for Healers; if somebody is injured or dying, the WoL just stands watching while Alphinaud, Krile, and Alisaie do the generic hand-extended healer animation.

wild they didn't tell one of the villains that Garlemald is gone and everyone wants peace....

@@Chippaization Which villain are you referring to? I'm pretty sure everyone involved knew Garlemald is no longer a threatening force. Zooral Ja's claimed philosophy is to teach the populace to appreciate peace via subjecting them to warfare but that's also just a smokescreen to his own personal issues.

@@Chippaization Okay, all critism aside - one of those villians directly adresses Garlemald being destryoed due to dumb leadership, which he wasn't wrong about. One of their leaders literally thrown their whole culture and nation into civil war. Which he thinks won't be the case with him. You could say it's dumb, but not that it wasn't adressed

​@@starbog1dude just said "garlemald wuz dumb lmao" and then proceeded to be a bigger tard than Varis ever was politically and militarily. Guy was EXTREMELY nearsighted in his goals. The Garleans at least had the whole ascian internal subterfuge plot mixed in with the inability to reach peace with eorzea due to wanting to get rid of all the eikons and eikon worship even if those gods were the twelve themselves.

We wonder whether they hired a "Consultant" for the writing

I loved the story myself. The voice actress was good and almost all the characters are well written and the story was phenomenal. edit: It was a solid Final Fantasy story without all Hydaelyn/Zodiark stuff. Plus no Ascians for once since they are mostly in the life stream now save for a couple. Yes there were some clique moments but what final fantasy game does not have that?

Shes Naruto without being all alone and going through tragedy after tragedy making you root for their dreams to finally come true.

I cannot wait to see the team mess up the game as badly as they did ff16. Once 14 falls square Enix rightfully collapses.

That was my experience, too. The story did get better in the last half, for me. I'd overall say it was good, but not as good as the last couple expansions.

No kid. She was not bad. Stop being duscusting. Seek help

@@bauloprete3905 ??????? LOL

​@@JohnHurt-ym5jqwhat a liar. You are. You dont even play ffxiv

@@bauloprete3905 Try again, in english this time.

​@@bauloprete3905 Put your phone down and get some fresh air. Your comments are out of control.

Typical these anti-woke narrative. They only pick any clip that suit their agendas. So tired of these woke vs anti woke crap

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@@SWHHReice Doesn't change the fact that the dude misgendered the voice actor which offends me.

@@SWHHReice it is him, not her though

@@SWHHReice I don't care about what he identifies with, I care for reality. Reality says, it's a him. Calling HIM a women offends me. Stop misgendering people purposely! 😌❄️

it is the (sadly) ingame audio for the EN...and my god it gets worse from that point on.. (spoilers) literally there is a point where her dad dies and the EN voice is just pretty much that meme audio of the black man crying after his son tells him (dad i still love you).. you know the one...

Also she uses one accent for normal speech, and another accent every time she states the name of a place... like girl, this is supposed to be where you are from....your native accent "is" the accent you should be using to properly pronounce the place name... it would be like if i were talking in a vietnamese accent to an american but made sure any time i said a city name i emphasized to say those names in an west african accent... people gonna be confused!

Sounds like your transphobe

Like someone say "If you like DT MSQ depends if you like Wuk Lamat" i mean she has more words spoken then everyone else in the Story and its not even close

It's ridiculous. If they wanted us to like Wuk Lamat then they shouldn't have squeezed her into 6.5 so they could bore us to death for the first 1/2 of the game with weak character writing. Giving her a cuter ENG voice like her JP dub would also have helped.

Honestly, Wuk feels like a 2.0(ARR) Alphinauld. Super annoying, incredibly naive, and doesn't know how to collect excellent firewood. Feels like she needs a solo adventure with Estinien.

@@lumberjackscoot8497 Have mercy on the guy. Estinien deserves better… 😂

It's a bad formula. Players have hundreds of hours invested into their characters by this point in the story and won't react well to being made second-fiddle for some Poochie in a poorly paced and directed narrative. This doesn't mean the players want a power-fantasy that worships the ground they walk on, but just to have a story that respects them and their time (in a game they pay for). Players would have been absolutely thrilled if 30% of DT was just walking around Tural on vacation doing frivolous stuff with their favorite Scions, but instead these characters are barely present in the story, so that the WoL can stand at the edge of the screen while Wuk Lamat talks.

Just call it as it is. Complete garbage. I know you guys are trying to not sound offensive, but the va is really terrible. They could have picked a random woman from the streets, and she would have done a better job, and I'm not exaggerating.

I much prefer 11s formula myself.

As someone who hasn't played FFXI or FFXIV a day in my life and only know it by researching it and listening to friends, your comment is the clearest at explaining the issue to me. It's one of those situations where we don't need to know shit to be able to read your comment and be able to tell you know what you're talking about which then makes us informed. Just had to say that because I also try to avoid games where the game treats me like a sidekick. It's not an interesting way to make a game in most cases. I think Bioshock 1 is the only time it's been done masterfully, and a handful of other games do it without ruining the game like the Fire Emblem series. But most of the time it just serves to make you feel like the game is mechanics only and like you're pointless and wasting your time. Anyway, great comment.

Its just a long and drawn out escort quest with a weird overconfident and WEAK character that cause 90% of the trouble in the DLC. At least Naruto is likable and isn't reliant on others while still saying he is hot shit. He is Hot shit because he can back it up. This is only Compunded further with the ANNOYING FAKE ACCENT. AND The ANNOYING FAKE POUFTER Voice.

Okay transphobe

Its ZOOMER pandering as always

How would you even know that

They are an okay VA, not even amongst the top 10 worst VA's ff14 has, why make such a fuss about them being trans? Explain to me how your mind works please. If an okay VA was only hired "because they are trans", then why were the worse VA's hired who were hetero cis people?

@@justsomeguywithoutamustang6436it’s because Americans hate trans people and will find any excuse to hate on them. It’s really dumb here we are.

The consultant is not DEI... She's been on the team for a long time even working side by side with Koji Fox through SHB and was lead for EW. She is an inhouse localization lead literally just like Koji Fox was. She took the spot when Koji Fox went to lead the localization for FF16. I hate 3rd party consultants as much as the next person, but not all "consultants" are the same thing. Again, she's been on the CBU3 team for a long time already. You guys are reaching so hard. You guys are literally the woke equivilent of ( the other side of ) woke people. No nuance or logic in what you guys say at all. She has not shown to be a problem at all. The same issue (outside Lamat's voice) are the same for Japan version as the English version. The change in writer was the issue.

@@F34RDSoldier805 EW seem like the right term, yes

@@F34RDSoldier805 She may not be DEI, but I have had major issues with the FFXIV localization for a LONG time. The vast majority of the translations are not just incorrect, but the tone and intent of the dialogue is often drastically different from the Japanese source. I play the game with Japanese voices and English text, and I'm constantly cringing at how bad the translation is. Most characters are like different people in Japanese than they are portrayed in English. It'd be quite difficult to point to a single line of text that is not largely changed from the source.

@@F34RDSoldier805it is DEI

@@Hirome_Satou That's because they would write a completely original version for the english and Japanese language. They literally wrote them side by side. So the english version isn't a direct translate of the japanese version, but a side by side creation. Koji Fox would explain how he would sit with the lead writer and they would go off one another on how the story is written. It's why it feels more natural in english than other translations of japanese creations, where it would sound "anime" in english dub. This method would remove that. They did the same with FF16. You might take this as a bad thing if you don't like the english version, but it's not. Yoshi-P has also said that he doesn't like it when people say the dialogue of the stories sound too "anime" when in English. He wants it to sound natural in both English and Japanese. If you don't think they achieve that, idk what you want or your just being disingenuous, because they absolutely hit that. FF games made by CBU3 sound by far the most natural in english as compared to literally any other FF game ever for that reason. They put a ton of work into achieving that. I understand people are trying to find reason into convincing themselves and others that this is a bad thing, but it's not, because they aren't localization as much as they are written twice from the ground up for english and Japanese. If you want to know more, try to find one of the Fanfest dev panels where Koji Fox talks about their writing process. They don't do the traditional "localization" methods of just translating Japanese to english. They do as I explained, which is much more thorough and done on complete collaboration with the JP writers AS they write it. This is likely why the text doesn't directly translate to JP voice audio. Because it wasn't meant to. They are two different versions of the same script created for their respective languages, and since the two languages don't translate directly to one another without sounding unnatural in one language or the other, the result is that you get a sub that isn't directly translating the JP dialogue. It is what it is. If they didn't do this, people would cry about the unnatural english dialogue like they do with anime dubs. This services the vast majority of players better by miles. The only people who will complain about this current method are super weebs that refuse to play the English version even when it's great. That simple.

A bigger indictment would be that "she's bad".

A bigger indictment would be "she's worse than Lyse."

​@@DontGiveUp_Skeletonwhat a liar you are

​@@godless1014ok tranphobe. Not worse by a mile, get helo

@@godless1014 Except she isn't. You guys really forgot how insuferable Lyse was as a character. Lamat is just obnoxious because of her immaturity and over enthusiasm. Same reason I hate character like Luffy. But it's insane to say she's worse than Lyse in the main SB MSQ. Not even close. You guys really like to reset your brains to make things seem worse than they are.

Honestly, we just did. Dragonflights is nothing but power of unity and friendship and forgiveness to solve whatever tf is happening in the Isles. Dawntrail has the exact same concept, except its on the realms of anime.

Maybe Ishikawa doesn't want to involve anymore because she know the story is going to be DEI shit

@@user-ot3qr4pu7v Most probably.

She's a busy lady. Sadly, we can't just expect her to be chained to the FF14 writing desk forever... but it does suggest they need to overhaul how they handle their writing team.

@@arionell isnt that like literally any JRPG? xD power of friendship and forgivness is the thing since ARR.

Ff14 has been going Woke for a while. You can see tons of characters with dark skin and unmatched hair as if they just got skin-painted last minute. Well, Enwalker story got butchered and red-conned badly, which indicates wrong hands on it. Game looks better but certain content gets worse.

@@joshanonline Give a few examples?

and honeslty i understand the copium too. I don't want my favorite game to suddenly be shit either, but gotta face reality with this one.

@@collenjets123 FFXIV playerbase is insanely high on hopium but it can't last forever.

I know this is crazy, but stories can be just ok and not bad. There isn’t just good and bad

what they are doing is using a concept known as weasel words or euphemisms to try and talk about a topic without giving their full thoughts or touching on the full real topic. Both concepts apply to what you are saying haha and I could not agree more. All the dungeons and trials were awesome the story though sucked butt.

is it just 0 and 10 in your mind? do you need help? The story is mid, the gameplay/fights are good, how do you rate this?

Actor*

The woke part is pretending trans people are the gender they say they are, period. "Woke" in the sense that the right keeps trying to use it, is in actuality, Gnosticism.

Shes literally voice acting a fucking khajitt you guys horshoe theory so much to the other side you might as well be a tumblr activist.

"she" you know it's jarring learning English as a second language then I turn to the west and see those who have it as their native tongues meddle with something as basic as males are "he" and females are "she"

Don’t be obtuse. Yes it does. You think they would hire a terrible VA and triple down on it if they didn’t fit a certain demographic profile.

Halfway through the MSQ it turns into a Disney Princess story gone horribly wrong.

@@CanYouResistClick1ng our 100% an absolute liar. seek help troll

Stormblood had two writers, one did the Ala Mhigo story, the other did the Doma one. It's why the story only gets good once you get to Doma then drops when you come back to Gyr abinia.

​@@lovelygargoyle5248the ala migho was slow.... The 2nd half was good

It's the writers that did the Werlyt story. They were fine with side content but don't have what it takes for the main story and in a game where the story is a central part with two and a half years between expansions, it's a big disappointment.

that explain why wut lamak feels like a mary sue, just like lyse was in stormblood.

Your a complete absolute liar. Nothing to do with stormblood.

That’s ARR for you, we are returning to the roots.

@@liamwilson7549 After 10 years you think they'd have learned how to set up the story

​@rajder656 after beating FF16... no, no they have not. Still love that game but man, they really just did what they ere familiar with which is lame

I am pretty fine with how the story went except the ending doesn't sit right with me. Like the ending itself is fine but I am not ok with what happened on a personal level. I personally found that you were more on the sidelines refreshing. They still acknowledge your strength and presence more than enough times. It doesn't always have to be directly about you.

​​@@rajder656 the funny thing is, ARR is better than Dawntrail at setting up shit. In Dawntrail the best way to describe your experiences is "and then this happened."

Okay transphobe. Same ppl who complain of the wol steeking with the same characters

It is a new story arc... It is literally ARR 2, it is laying ground for the next set of expansions. If you are not a lore person of course it will be slow for you, it is all lore

WoL solving everything would literally go against the point of the story, which is for Lamat to go through the trial and grow. I don't like her very much either, but to say WoL should have just solved everything shows that you weren't paying attention or didn't actually play through it.

@@bauloprete3905 who sent lil bro out in the trenches to fight with the equivalent of sticks and stones 😭 we can see all your comments, ride it raw bud 💀

FFXIV team has proven again and again that they cannot write a proper story prologue and instead resort to dumping Wikipedia information for you to read. Anyone that has read good fantasy books will know this is amateur and shitty way of doing things whereas in professional writers will set up tension, mystery, likeable characters and have player go through minor events as they are being introduced to the new setting.

Literally where I’m at. I haven’t even finished the lv90 quests, and I’m ok with a bit of development at a MODERATE pace to start setting the grounds for the story, and I’m painfully bored. I’m having to force myself through seemingly endless chores; it’s tribal quest MSQ from the feels of it. I get that it’s Wuk Lamats story but they could spice it up just a little to make it more interactive instead of tedious (and they could have made her a bit less of a dope). It’s to the point that I’m about to start skipping cs if they are irrelevant (which has been the majority thus far) and I don’t like that because I don’t want to miss something that could potentially be relevant to the plot. Relevancy shouldn’t be buried in a mound of waste. The story itself has been ok, kinda slow, but enough to keep my attention but let me stab something, or see someone get stabbed or a pie to the face, dammit lol

@@stanktatiousd7732 Yeah I'm not done either, still at the level 98 MSQ, but the first half took waaaaaay too long. The rite of succession should not have been half the expansion, OR they should have made it more interesting for us. That whole arc is us just being Wuk's lackey doing chores for her the entire time while absolutely nothing happens story-wise. It's painful. The second half isn't too bad so far, things start to pay off a bit more, but I haven't finished it yet, so can't say completely how it is. At any rate, it is better than the first half.

​​@@stanktatiousd7732so it's ARR 2.0? that's a let down

​@@kizylle5204lmao that's exactly what I said to my friend when she was telling me about the whole Wuk being the main character thing. I'm like Pog we are a side character again, it's early ARR all over again. Of course I'm being sarcastic and I think it's stupid.

@@kizylle5204 Saying ARR 2.0 is a right because this expan has the best dungeon, trial ex, music in the all expan rightnow and of course graphic update, story is poopy but damn cant wait for the normal raid next week. Look at EW which has highest score but it's content is truly EW

Luckily for us, if even awesome characters as Aymeric technically disappeared after their story arc, we'll get rid of her very soon, let's hope they learn from this and don't screw it up again

Which makes sense. If you hire for diversity rather than talent you scare the customers into thinking the product will be bad.

well no shit its phobia, character is definition of uncanny valley

we call that the victim card

Have you seen the comments of this place? Its literaly transphobia

@@fredy2041 You mean common sense?

Its medicore Not bad Not amazing

This. They are the people you know that do everything in a single day whenever new stuff comes out,then AFK in limsa literally forever and claim ff14 is the greatest game ever made.

@@KingOfhearts72 you seem to have strong views on final fantasy fourteen

​@@KingOfhearts72 man ur replying to every comment ur worst than ppl afk in limsa get a life

I find Lamat's English speaking voice to be very good, fits her well. I will spoil you on one thing, though: the yelling gets worse. Way. Worse. I don't understand why they got a VA that can only talk to do a role with a lot of shouting and yelling

Seems like you problem. You never pointed it out this with any other character

Looks like your beibg a trans phobe

@@bauloprete3905 Stop crying like a little bitch in response to every single comment critiquing the expansion, it gets sad to see this level of fanboying.

​@@ralphbeez1411ok transphobe

@@bauloprete3905 bro you need to get a life and get off the internet. you are in almost every comment defending this shit. it's pathetic and sad.

There's a third route, but they'd never do it for an MMO. That's *actually let the story end at the ending* by the way. Endwalker was the natural conclusion to FF14. They should have let it *be* that ending. If they wanted to make a sequel, they should have made an actual sequel, and not have us tread along as literally one of the most powerful characters in the history of the entire damn franchise.

Sittibg a cow? What an absolute liar

You're correct, they're lying. It's more akin to babysitting a mentally deficient toddler. She was endearing in the first half but became overbearing after the Rite was over.

@@bauloprete3905 *Baby sitting, not "Sittibg"

You got me at "cow" 😂😂

It really did feel like an OC insert, but they did it the wrong way. Wuk Lamat would have probably been better handled if she was a character amongst many instead of a character overshadowing many. The Scions feel like cameos at best and even with the non-Wuk Lamat characters that are new, they barely get any screentime or scenes. You know you've messed up when the audience likes Bakool Ja Ja more than the main protagonist of the expansion

hahahah

An imitation of a voice versus a voice of sincerity.

>Sounded like a woman You might need a hearing aid.

The VA can't show emotion without their actual male voice coming through.

It actually makes sense now if its a MTF. They HAVE to tspeak in lowercase at all times because if they actually put emotion into their voice you'll hear the man underneath and it'll break immersion.

It's called trying not to have a voice crack from playing two roles at once. This is why you hire real voice actors and not a drug addict from LA.

Especially given that Spanish is a very poetic and romantic language...all the feeling and emotion is just drained out. Given the fact that the VA is supposed to be of Puerto Rican heritage, they just lack that combustion you would hear in a Latina woman. Bad hire is a bad hire.

@@OilFreeFeathers I'd say it has more to do with the fact they are a man trying to voice a woman and can't go off their forced woman voice otherwise it'll sound like a dude.

Flat

I don't get it. Is the character a man acting as a woman or did they cast a man to voice a female character? And is that exclusive to the English dub or is it a choice made by the developers of the game?

And yet everyone has called the expansion pretty mid?

@@alexander1055 everywhere else the voice is clearly female, feminine, but in EN dub it's a trans i think male who became female/gender fluid or whatever and got the gig even when they've never voice acted in anything big... so there is just a single bad voice actor and it's Wuk's... but you can't critique them because "muh trans" no. they are shit. just purely bad at voice acting and their voice sounds nothing like what the original "JP" voice is and how the character clearly was envisioned "stupid but in that cutesy anime way" instead we have some Wookie sounding ass furry character going "Oops, teehee sorry, i just am too dumb to not step on this bird shit UwU" like... it wouldn't be that bad if Wuk wasn't the "main character" of the story, and if she didn't have 7000+ LINES IN THE DAMN ONE EXPANSION, LIKE MY GOD.

@@alexander1055 The character is female ingame. Referred to as a daughter. English VA by a trans actor.

Its not mediocre at all. Your a liar

@@bauloprete3905 You are correct, calling it mediocre is a long shot, it is hot garbage at best. ChatGPT writes better story if you ask it to.

@@bauloprete3905 *You're, not "Your"

ARR’s story was godawful for like 80% of it, so I suppose that comparison is apt. Fights are good though.

​@Navhkrin pretty sure Baulo is chat gpt herself lol

the bald one is better, actually legendary. so you must be onto something.

The localizazion is good. Wuk Lamat's English VA is meh. The negative reviews are from the story being super slow for 20h.

​@@CalmTempest Sorry, but she doesn't compare to Koji Fox. There were like no funny puns and the dialogue is just bad. Koji is a big fantasy nerd and knows plenty of terms and phrases that make it not feel like modern writing.

@CaptainFancyCat Of course she doesn't compare. She has half the experience. Give her some time. I play with JP voices and EN text, and they're pretty accurate

@@CalmTempest accurate? accurate??????????????? you on drugs?

Liar. She did not

@@bauloprete3905 I confirm the VA sucks and you can't call a lie a subjective opinion you 🤡

@@bauloprete3905 It's an opinion. I did not lie, you think she sounded good, thats fine. I think she sounded bad, thats also fine.

​@@DMaster8686ok. So your are a trans phobe

​​​@@user-xg4nu1xn3kokay transphobe. Seek help weirdo

Man, I had high hopes for Lyse.

On the bright side, Ayaka Shimoyamada does a great job in making her sound like an adorable idiotic kitten when they swing for comedy.

At least Lyse was stupid and naive and people were treating her as a child and help her grow up which eventually she did and became somewhat competent leader. Here Wuk Lamat is worthless and sort of self-aware of that but ignoring this fact anyway most of the time. Yet everyone tell her she's special and in the end thanks to 'what do you know she WAS right!' miracles and being carried by WoL and her brothers she is slowly but surely get gaslit into believing that it is true.

>As Lyse In stormblood Lyse was the tag along on your adventure. Now, you are. Wuk Lamat is 100 times worse.

yeah.. i had to change to JP voices.. and sure Lyse was bad.. but she was pretty much a naive child and she did mature during the story and Lyse was never the main character, you were. but Wuk? she doesn't mature, she isnt naive or cute, she is just a fucking child... a stupid... child... and you have to be with her... almost at every single quest... you are not even the main character, and she comes and steals your kill in the end too! LIKE... WHAT?!

Tell me

voice doesnt matter, its fanfiction level story and wokeness overall is the issue, as i mentioned renaming beast tribes into societies because tribes is offencive or something? lol

@@glimoreganajai2206 they renamed beast tribes because most of them aren’t even beast tribes now, its more accurate to change the title. You’re literally looking for problems where none exist.

@@TheVenhammer like 3 out of 16 beast tribes arent beasts. No they are beasts, just like hrothgars.

@@glimoreganajai2206 cringe. it's still beast tribe in french so you make no sense

@@waterscape8198 Wdym i make no sense, my point its the english woke localiser changed it because she found it offencive. U just proved my point

She got promoted. Good for her, bad for us I guess. :/

She got promoted to higher position

@@dafire9634 Higher position but bear in mind it's the same one Oda has and he does very little actual writing these days. ;)

promoted, and she was working very much on 16 with Yoshi while DT was being written.

@@FaceFish9 she wasnt the main writer there either though, to clarify

I take it you've been skipping a lot of story because it's been this way ever since realm reborn. Heavensward focuses more on Aymeric Estinien and Ysayle than it does your fugitive plotline (that gets resolved embarrassingly quickly and this is from someone that thinks Heavensward was peak), Stomblood with Lyse who had reverse character development (she was a lot more enjoyable as Yda), Shadowbringers was probably the most balanced of the expansions, yes, but still made sure Gra'ha would be made present 80% of time and still had heavy scion reliance. Endwalker had all the scions steal the show leaving you with Zenos instead which completely messed up the impact of Endsinger and their role against the warrior of light, who was their first friend outside of Fandaniel. This is generally the issue with making a blank slate adventurer as a protagonist. You rely on other character to drive the storyline. You exist to hit things when necessary or do mundane tasks outside the narrative. This also falls back to Final fantasy's general problem of "we won the day with the power of friendship" cliché. I'm not denying they went overboard with Wuk Lamat, but there's no point in pretending that the protagonist doesn't get sidelined.

@BlaizeTheDragon I skipped none of the story. The level of sidelining there is minimal as at almost no point in any of the expansions is your character told to stand aside and not interfere like in Dawntrail. Not to mention that your character literally watches more important fights in DT than any other expansion. That is what I mean by sidelining. I am not saying that there being a character the story is more focused on is how we're being sidelined. I am talking about how some of the fights are presented and how we're presented in this expansion compared to others.

Yeah, there's a reason the character doesn't sound right. Gee, I wonder if it doesn't have to do with the fact that they hired someone based on politics and inclusivity rather than skill?

@@sylvanex5202 They could have just hired a Latina VA....unless Hispanics are now considered 'too white' by DEI standards.

A man screaming won't sound like a woman screaming.

Guess this will mean I should switch to JP va if that's the case.

That's just bad writing. ARR was a rush job, so giving them some leeway is fine. Dawntrail is five expansions in, coming off two of the most successful ones. Saying a new story has to be slow, boring, and badly paced is just mental gymnastics when there are so many book series out there where the first one that does the heavy world building is the best one.

@@uttrik Dawntrail had no realistic chance to be better that Shadowbringer or Endwalker in terms of storytelling. Because you simply can't compare the climax/ conclusion of a long epic to the intro of a new storyline. But that certainly doesn't mean Dawntrail was doomed to be bad, it just means writting a compelling story was harder. And what do you do when shit gets tough? You get your A team together and make it happen! Spoiler: they didn't do that.

@@peterpan4038 That's part of the problem, nobody expected DT to be better than ShB and EW. We were told to temper our expectations and the writing was still underwhelming. Look at Heavensward, the first expansion, nowhere close to the conclusion of an epic saga, but written well enough for it still to be many people's favorite expansion. Again, people need to stop using the start of a new journey as a defense for bad writing. Like you said, they should have, but didn't, bring their A team.

@@uttrik Yeah, it's just a mitigating factor. Not a 100% full blown excuse we should just accept. In regards to heavensward: I would argue the writing was by far the strongest part of it. It's the expansion that stands the strongest on it's own, telling a compelling story that would be considered good regardless of the story that came before and after.

Agreed

So would the rank of best to worst expansions be- Shadowbringers - Endwalker - Heavensward - StormBlood - Dawntrail - A Realm Reborn

@@TacoLex I loved ARR ngl, so much world building and lore in it if you do every single side quest. Graphics and outfits were nothing to brag about, but wouldn't have the FF14 we have now without it. Pretty much setup everything we accomplished in Endwalker. Besides the Stormblood story was a snooze, and ARR had way more intrigue compared to it.

@@TacoLex yup, that would be my ranking as well.

@@TacoLex Endwalker 9. Heavensward 8.5. Stormblood 8 (because of yotsuyu). ARR 7 (cheesy power rangers but good lore building). Dawntrail 6. (7/10 but 6/10 in ff14s standards). Shadowbringers 11/10. Peak fiction.

Was for me the same, before the first dungeon the story was so slow that i make to do same DF daylies.. after the first dungeon it was okay and after the 4 Dungeon (when you go to Solution 9 etc) it was good again.. just one moment in the final bossfight was.. oof

Pretty sad that you could skip every cutscene up until lv95+ and you would lose almost nothing from the story aspects, literally felt like realm reborn 2

@@kohlicoide2258 Yeah. It was badass. Using Azem’s stone and the fight was amazing. And then… that moment took it away. I don’t want to be a Debby downer but if say someone like Emet or Zenos or a Scion showed up then it would have been amazing. But… because it wasn’t any of those characters… oof. I wonder if it’s better in JP dub.

@@XAlpt I don’t want to be so negative about it. I liked the expansion but… in terms of ranking it’s gotta be on pair with SB or ARR. It’s not Shadowbringers or Endwalker. That was never going to happen. But… man… I’m more excited with everything after the story. Getting away from Tuliyolal and getting to focus on Solution Nine. Just have the post story be all about that and other stuff. Keep us away from Tuliyolal 😂

Dawntrail had no chance to top Shadowbringers or Endwalker in terms of storytelling to begin with. I mean those two expansions are the climax of everything that came before, the story as we knew it ended on one hell of an epic conclusion. But that doesn't mean Dawntrail had no chance to be good on it's own, just the scale/ magnitude of things had to experience a kind of soft reset. Did they do a good job? No! Was it decent given the circumstances? Yeah. It's not easy to introduce a whole bunch of new story lines, it's even harder when the story before ended on a really high note.

Your incrrdible discusting. Seek help

Ok. Trsnsphobe

So. You hate the VA, i wonder why

​@@bauloprete3905because the VA's timing and tone on most of the dialogue does not match the mood of the scenes at all, much less the character themself. I'll be the weeb here and say that It's dog shit compared to the Japanese VA

​@@southstar66just cause of one odd scene wow. Seek help

Did... you just skip all the cutscenes?

that second half is totally in line with any ff it is basically the villains plot from ff9 before that goes up in smoke and the whole terraforming the planet so another planets population can live there blows up, its almost a 1 for 1 retelling of the near final part of ff9

@@theapothecary1774 not an argument.

@@KingOfhearts72 you are correct and quite observant, it was a question. The answer to which will give me an idea of where they are coming from with their critique.

@@cyanmage1 which does sort of track as I was getting all kinds of ff9 vibes from the second half.

@@MrCaptnrex this is incredible COPIUM if you’re ignoring the vast,VAST other issues with how obviously phoned in everything else has been,not even with just this expansion. Even beforehand(outside the pandemonium raids). I’m not a healer but I can’t blame many for leaving the game for good. Classes getting more and more casualized and samey is incredibly lame.

@@KingOfhearts72 no pfp just ignore this one folks

@@Jimusmc lol cope and seethe. Sorry I don’t have 300k Reddit karma and somehow that makes my opinion invalid.

I wouldn't mind a lighter/relaxed expansion. but it should be filled with hot viera, miqos and au'ras, not furry/scaly Americas rip-off

@@Jimusmc “YOU DONT HAVE AN 18 YEAR OLD ACCOUNT AND OVER 500K KARMA SO YOUR OPINION IS NOTHING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE”

Wuk Lamat does have some Mary Sue moments, but not as egregious as some are making it out to be. She's better written than Lyse in Stormblood is, IMO anyway.

@@kaleiohulee6693 copium

@@Daecoth iron pineapple levels of contradictory copium

​@@Daecothnot lyse tranaphobe

@bauloprete3905 the sheer amount of comments you are replying to is kind of sad. And, no, critiquing the writing isn't being phobic. Go back to Disney with that weak argument.

Bingo. Over however many years, theh have cultivated an audience of let's call them "msq andies" that play for the story. They dropped the ball on the story and thus the audience they cultivated split. One group is huffing copium "it's actually good guys", the other is actually saying what they don't like. When it comes to Wuk Lamat. I didnt even knew she was trans to begin with. I've come back after stopping playing early into endwalker (soon after new pvp was released, cause I felt lost in the game as a new player who finished msq and lacking sites like wowhead to tell me essentially step by step to x type of content). I was doing the patches content and didnt really like it, apparently it's good when it works as nostalgia bait for whichever ff game it was. When I watched the launch trailer I havent even met the cat in game, but holy fuck the "I wanna be hokage" being 9/10 of her lines in that trailer instantly put me off. Having watched it again I noticed the meh delivery. Out of curiosity I googled "wuk lamat bad" and Google told me I'm a transphobe, soo there's that.

​@@The_YukkiNo way Google did that 😅

@@sagen06 I mean "google" is obv an oversimplification it was the first iirc reddit thread that I opened.

@@The_Yukki I mean you can tell, come on. There's certain scenes where the VA strains the voice and it really cracks. For me they're just not well suited to the role, and it's already a badly written one.

You sound like a moron, nothing was stolen from you, stop being a baby.

new to voice acting are ya ....

@@theapothecary1774 new to wokeness are ya. Dubbing is shit and has been shit the last 5 years. Wake up.

@@Jahy-Chan im confused by the issue you are taking here. You do get that in the VA community its quite common for male and female VA's to voice their conterparts be it original audio or dubbed, and no wokeness is not a new thing for me. I just call it out when its actually being perpetrated, I don't just spray an pray with my accusations.

@@theapothecary1774Yes, you get it in the Va community but it's usually where the choice wouldn't affect the quality discernibly, like women voicing boys. In this case the VA lacks the range to pull off the character and it's evident when you compare e.g. to the JP VA. The VA is very belligerent and activistic on twitter, and so is the localizer (Kate Cwynar), but she made her twitter private so you can't see her activistic stances unless she allows you to see her TL. His accusations are accurate and you are, it appears, poorly researched on this topic.