Final Fantasy XIV Elitism Drama - Rin & Static Leader Respond | Xeno Reacts 

Wave: talking about the strat very seriously and explaining his point. The group: why are you angry why are you raising your voice? 🤡 Wave: not saying anything so they won't gaslight him again. The group: he didn't help us in creating the strat. 🤡 Wave: trying to communicate with his co-healer and getting ignored. The group: he had communication issues. 🤡 Wave has a very soft voice and he talks a bit fast when he's serious or passionate but not once did I hear him scream or yell and yet they had the audacity to gaslight him into thinking he was the problem. 💩 Also, Rin should STFU. The way he was talking down to wave was so fking lame.

The Rin clips make me so irrationally furious. This is such a common tactic when someone tries to gaslight and manipulate. If an argument arises they lower their voice and talk slower to make the other party look hysterical. Ive seen this so much from my latest ex. This tells me excatly what kind of a human Rin is. This fake calmness sickens me.

Rin needed to be the one to step back, actually look at the logs, and not emotionally condescend

It's so weird they were trying to defend themselves, but the more they talked and showed clips, the more the made themselves look bad. They said he wasn't communicating but then showed videos of him communicating. They tried to say he was not willing to work with the other healer but then show videos of the other healer not wanting to talk to him. Do they realize they proved his case even more than defending themselves. It kinda makes me lose a little more respect for them than when the drama first broke out. At least before I could think it just wasn't a proper fit and move on, but now it just looks way worse than it did before the defense video.

The fact that Rin was saying that Wave was yelling when he wasn't is textbook gaslighting behaviour. Absolutely manipulative, If I had a problem with a raid member I wouldn't smoke them on stream no matter how bad they were playing

Not only did this video HELP paint the picture of the fuckery that was going on in this static but it actually vindicated Wave at the same time…well done Bozo😂😂

Rin didn't expect his embedded viewers to dig up the receipts

"Your cohealer just left. So which of us is upset?" The cohealer who left. Obviously. WTF.

Rin pisses me off so much with the gaslighting damn

When he said "I have to play back and forth because the healers won't communicate with each other" what he really means is "ONE healer won't communicate with the other, but that healer is my friend, so I have to use wordplay to make it seem like both their faults."

I once raided with a healer who told me, like Wave told Dice, not to heal because they had it. Initially I didn’t really want to cut back healing, as I was a SCH and they were a WHM, but I went ahead and just tried it. So I did. Then when healing was rough, I communicated where I could support and told them points where they could focus on mechs or damage, and they listened. In the end we were a fantastic healing duo because we communicated and worked around each others’ playstyles. Wave reminds me a lot of that healer. Straightforward but willing to listen. He will see his potential really come out in a better group.

Wave seems like my kind of raid member no sugar coating just straight to the point, I like him

fucking finally, i appreciate xenos for actually not sitting on the fence about this. like in this EXACT INSTANCE RIN IS WRONG and calling him out for a liar.

It's funny, Rin literally did NOT watch the video before responding to it. That clip doesn't do anything but reaffirm that he's a gas lighter

I swear 7:25 if this is yelling then Rin has never been yelled at.

Dice seems like a fucking nightmare to raid with.

"he not communicating " *wave communicates calmly* "why you sound angry" while ignoring what he actually said

What I find funny is the group is supposedly hardcore yet the raid lead is like “I don’t know what’s wrong with the healing, I never touched healer” mate I’m a midcore raider who hasn’t touched healing yet discussing mit plans and talking to my healers has already given me a lot of knowledge about how the job is meant to be played as well as how to organize their tool usage. This entire thing feels like a joke.

"Your co-healer just left, who do you think is upset rn?" Well obviously the co-healer?? Lmao, probably upset that wave didn't unionize with them and spend all their mana during downtime

AN HOUR REACT!? WITH THE XEEMS!?

I can't in good faith believe that this static had people who experienced basic human interaction on a daily basis. There is no way that is yelling or sounding angry, that passive aggressive wording and tone was honestly aggravating to hear. For someone who wanted to point out that Wave wasn't listening or always confused, why did you include a clip of you guys not paying attention to what he said and just basically grouping on him for how he talks? Insane. Thanks for covering this, Xeno. The want for a beard was wholesome.

Man if Wave is "angry" Rin and the rest of the group are babies. Wave is assertive with his statements and it rules. I would LOVE to have a raid member like that.

Lied about his views, lied about defending wave. LMAO pathological

how does someone provide receipts that actually perfectly sabatoge his own argument? this shit is wild man

So if I were to summarize this whole nonsense. Wave is an Astrologian who was just watching his co-healer and wonders "Why is my co-healer using up mana with GCD heals when no damage happened in the last 5 seconds and everyone is topped off like 6 seconds ago?" And from logs we see Dice, the co-healer Sage, is using like 5-7 GCD heals in a row. Wave asks to not do that cause he's wasting his mana (going from 3700 mana down to like 600 mana), and Dice takes offense to this. And from here a whole shitstorm occurs, the static leader takes Dice's side cause reasons, Dice does some unhinged shit with the whole "It's either me or Wave," Wave wanted to know why his co-healer was overhealing excessively and asks him to stop cause he thinks it's wrong. Also the whole "we died because of damage" is the dumbest argument for arguing why overhealing is necessary. You know what doesn't help surviving from damage, overhealing and using up all your mana before damage has even been done.

I can't get enough of ffxiv drama. It's addicting to watch as long as it's not happening to me.

The part where Wave is talking about the machinist messing up and they're admonishing him for mishearing the question is telling. The person is snickering because they've already decided to dogpile Wave in private and they're enjoying this "validation" for the reason the group has decided they don't like him.

He says both healers wouldn't talk to each other. But when Rin was dressing wave down they say the issue is everyday he is telling dice what he is doing wrong. So which is it? Clearly it's Dice is the one refusing to communicate.

My brother in Hydaelyn, how are you going to expect good communication from a player if you constantly undermine them when they speak? People saying he always sounds angry, laughing at him and making passive aggressive comments in the clip makes it seem like he may have been talking and paying attention, but they just weren't listening or taking him seriously. Even if that's just how you talk to each other, this is a new member. Based on the clips provided it doesn't seem like they had equal, open communication and they treated a new member poorly even before the confrontation with Dice. They can either take this as a chance to be like hey look maybe this is a learning opportunity, or they can get offended and defensive. 🙄

Oh my, thank you for featuring my response essay in your video. I was just a little heated and decided to rant a little. You keep keeping on too, king! 👑

No matter what they say; the original video showed that the other healer was wasting mana during downtime on healing, for no reason, and screwing themselves and the static over by not having enough going into a damage phase; before then gaslighting and allegedly complaining in DMs about their co-healer who wasn't doing anything wrong.

Rin should win gaslighter of the year award for the next 5 years minimum.

Rin literally dug his own grave. And the static leader will never, NEVER be taken seriously again. This static deserves the hate it gets and should fall apart, never to reform again.

Rin is an IRL Fast and Furious-level driver. I've never seen anyone perform such a blatant 180.

over healing during a down time mechanic is hilarious to me lmao

Odd numbered patches = Drama season. It's even in the patch notes.

Remember that Dice is almost universally reviled as a shit healer and most other healers not only agree but openly dodge her... and Rin sided with her. That speaks VOLUMES if you ask me.

everything that Rin is saying to Wave, could be said to heal spammer Dice. "you can take this as a learning experience, or get offended" like bro, who the hell would heal when everyone is shielded and full health?? you don't have to be a hardcore raider to understand it is just wasted MP resources.

Wave should be thankful for Dice for showing people how godawful they are in front of a wider audience and how Wave basically carried his ass

Lol this guy "You need to take a step back and calm down" after the guy he is claiming is not calm keeps getting cut off while trying to explain himself.

1:00:00 That clip of him saying "Just focus on the good stuff" is classic manipulation that abusers use. Rin's behavior once again is just proving that he's a gaslighter at the very least, and a serial abuser at the worst.

I don't condone this behavior, it's very upsetting and disheartening to hear and I feel bad for Wave, that had to have been frustrating.

Rin is the kind of person I might hit in the face if I ever talk to them RL. That condescending, downgrading and disappointed tone used to manipulate or, worse, gaslight drives me up a wall.

There's a reason why Dice and also the static leader are on a public Crystal PF dodge list. Isweyr A’imagril was caught zoomhacking and Rin left his group because he didn't want to play with someone who used it. One namechange to Aya Magril to cover the tracks and all is suddenly good and well and they're back in the same static? Hypocrite.

Zepla catching strays got me crying oh my god LMAO

With the amount of gas Rin lights he can power all of Europe for years.

My boy xeems making a 5min video into a 1h react. im proud

28:00 Wave saying that he would say the same thing to the trials faces is top tier behaviour. That's earned a shit ton of respect from me.

Sadly for Rin, you cannot gaslight the internet.

Lmao Rin is a textbook gaslighter good lord. I've never seen this side of Rin. I've only seen the world prog uwu attitude from his dsr streams

Is just amazing 14 drama is actually satisfying to watch than an actual race Rin hasn't cleared imo and he is doomed to never clear if he never changed his attitude. I'm glad I joined a static that always meme first then focus later, we don't care about race, yes we use log and death recap mod so we know wtf just killed us.l, but most of the time is just full of memes or meme out of nowhere just for laughs.

that rin clip makes me so mad, everything else aside being told youre yelling and being offended whilst not being true id be FUMING LOL

“Until we die to damage” Then what does your party keep wiping to? 🤔

In my former group, my co healer started to exhibit destructive behavior due to one of our member being kind of a pain. As much as I could understand why and was sharing some of her feelings, it got out of hands. It got to the point that something needed to be done, but instead of talking to her, they decided to fake disband the static and regroup without her. That was so wrong that I just instantly left the static, it felt like I was backstabbing her. Wave is better off without them, it probably would have never worked out. If they want to defend a healer that is spending so much mana it could be considered griefing, then this is not a group anyone should be part of.

Textbook example of valuing a friendship over a group, and different expectations. If it's a group of friends who want to mess around and have fun, having someone who's more serious and hardcore in that group is going to cause a problem. On the other hand, if your group is hardcore, then you need to have the resolve to say "You're my friend and I care about you, but you're holding the group back, please either learn your job properly, or step aside so someone else can stand in". Expectations need to be clearly laid on the table, and if there's a mismatch, then there needs to be a discussion about how to resolve this.

Besides the entertaining part of all this, it's also a bit sad that had Wave not made his initial vid, Rin, the other healer and the static's leader would probably talk shit about Wave on stream/discord/etc, that he was the one causing problems, probably causing people to blacklist him. Because people of course would believe the popular streamer/balance mentor/"hardcore" raider than some unknown guy who failed his trial "because he was yelling and being difficult to communicate with"...

I love how the static leaders “evidence “ only made him look worse and vindicated Wave.

Dude I world progged/week 1 with Dice in abyssos and I believe 100% that Dice was the issue. We had constant issues with them and their healing. They never did enough healing and refused to talk with their healer and couldn't accept feed back. I absolutely believe the raid leader was tryna smash or very close friends with Dice because I would never ever raid with them again even in a casual setting, they were that bad.

I love how Rin is like "oh no, I defended Wave" meanwhile in another clip "the other healer is solo healing the mechanic, he left, who do you think is upset?" or "it sucks being told you're not doing what is correct" but then in another clip go "i stand by my decision, wave got done dirty" my stance is fairly simple and as someone who got severely frustrated with my static a few times, if you leave out of nowhere because your fweelings got hurt, you're out of the static, easy as that. I got frustrated at a lot of things in my current static, but that was prog related, i stuck out the session and just reset for the next, i didn't leave early since that would be fucking over 7 other people. then the raid leaders reaction, i love how he says "despite the overwhelming amount of evidence against him" meanwhile shows clips that is overwhelmingly painting the picture AGAINST them. When Dice refused to talk to Wave (as the screenshots the leader provided shows) that means that DICE is the one not willing to communicate, not Wave. But it's funny how i've never heard of Rin before all of the recent drama (knew he existed since Twitch sometimes recommends his channel, but was never interested) first with that group that got outed for using zoomhacks, leaves that static because he doesn't want to be accosiated with them (fair enough, enough streamers like Zepla for example straight up said that she doesn't want to raid with anyone using these kinds of 3rd party tools, granted it's likely just more of an "just saying it here so that nobody can go after me type of deal) but then joins another static where Dice is also a known cheater, I can see Dice catching a ban real soon knowing how the FF14 community can be, it's obvious he's using 3rd party tools, it's public. I can see people mass reporting his ass and getting him banned, not even simple UI QoL tweaks, just outright AOE prediction cheats.

I was half expecting one of the "you can see an example of this in clip 4 below" and it's just Rin's infamous UCoB vod

I personally hope they keep getting crap for being such a joke of a team. I hope they have difficulties clearing TOP and learn from this experience. Rin still being part of the team afterwards and even running damage control in stream is a great representation of his character also.

As a player and healer who was traumatized from a raid group during Shadowbringers, this shit is ridiculous. I won't get into my own story, but damn... Specifically when it comes to healing, I don't quite understand why it's so hard to communicate preferences for each other's kit usage. Not every player is gonna be able to read your mind, and getting angry or escalating these issues will clearly make things look worse on you (ESPECIALLY if you're streaming). With as bad as this incident is, it's hard to think about how much worse it was off stream.

Not going to lie Xeno giving the talk about how you can't get back time followed immediately by 'you wasted two hours ranting' was fucking gold.

thanks for covering this bud. Rin got me messed up saying Wave got done dirty yet he was the one shoving the rod up Wave,

Oh god, Whenever someone starts telling me not to be angry, when I'm merely passionate just grinds me wrong. Feeling bad for Wave dealing with that group, they did him a favour by letting him go (in a backwards way) but it would have been way better if they realized that they were behaving poorly.

Wave seems like a dude you want in your group. Just gimme the toolbox, gimme a mitigation planner, let's fucking go type of person.

I had to come back to this video on 3 separate occasions to resume where I left off. It's so ungodly upsetting how heavily they are all collectively gaslighting the one guy. It's so hard to watch. Garbage people. Fully trash. No one should act that way.

Thank you Xeno for showing who Ren really is. And Wave was just trying to tell the guy to reserve mama. I mean if I was a healer and I did this, holy crap. And Dice on the convo….really?!?!

Rin is the face of FFXIV, that passive aggressive, GASLIGHTING, faux positivity persona is sickening to watch and prevalent in the community!

now imagine Wave joins an actual good hardcore group on NA and gets world first next ultimate

Lmao Rin's like 'oh yeah I'm gonna gaslight Wave, and I'll gaslight you too!' Dude's actually a pathological liar...

Holy shit that raid leader is frustrating. He clearly doesn't like wave. He asked him how they did in the trial and then speaks down to him because he didn't do a background check on the mch? You asked about their trial performance. Did you, as leader, find out who he was raiding with before and ask? And he misheard a single word and he jumps on him.

I die every single time when xeno’s mic stand squeaks and he yells. I can’t stop laughing 😂

That Rin guy is so annoying. The fact that Wave didn't tell him to just stfu shows restraint.

this drama is actually hilarious and the self report makes it even funnier

When the guy started to say that Wave was "rising his voice" and "being disrespectful" I was like "where is the proof?" and I got reminded of Amber Heard like claming shit like all the proof you need is your own imagination and then Xeno boom referencing Amber Heard. Wave's voice and manner of speaking to me is like absolute golden, I wish people would talk that way on my raid groups back when I played WoW, like Wave to me is literally the gold standard of how you should speak to people in voice comms. And even if you could argue that he got a bit emotional or maaaybe if you really stretch the argument that he raised his voice by 0.001db which could've completely shaked your emotional foundations, I would absolutely understand after being gaslighted in front of an audience. I can guarantee that probably none of them have actual real interactions with people in real life if they think Wave was being disrespectful, annoying, etc. Such a bunch of weak-ass drama queens, jesus f-ing christ man.

remember the words of asmongold. never let your mask down on stream. if you are faking being a "family-friendly," "helpful," "approachable" "tank mentor" you better keep that mask on no matter what. your entire career and reputation depend on it.

Rin giving me major Gaslighting and narcissist vibes.

Idk why, but Rin just looks like Dollar Store Andrew Tate 🤣

Glad you got a chuckle from my comment on the response video.

That guy Rin needs to learn how to speak to people like an adult.

Lost what little respect I had left for Rin. How are you going to gang up on Wave when Wave was in the right the whole time, then tell Wave he is probably "feeling attacked" while literally attacking him with your friends. Then to take it further, condescending to Wave by telling him to calm down and stop yelling when honestly you can hear Wave sounds defensive and frantic more than angry or even close to yelling. Now Rin wants to just brush his own toxicity under the rug and say "let's look to the positives." I empathize with Wave. I'm not as sensitive as Wave is, but my first static went something like this even down to the "I was asked to join after being in their PF". Only my first static wasn't full of hardcore raiders, it was full of grey parsers. They were all friends with each other. I was just a random that joined their PF and was asked to stay. Fucking huge mistake, this was one of those friend groups that couldn't separate raiding goals from friendship. No criticism of this group's gameplay style went anywhere. Almost nothing ever improved and I was blamed for shit I wasn't responsible for because it's convenient having an outsider that isn't a friend to scapegoat. I was also belittled for making any attempt to review and improve the group so we would stop wiping to E6S enrage for 2 months straight. And it wasn't like I was just saying, "Our groups sucks, we need to be better." I was looking at logs to see what problems we could patch up easily like improving uptime by changing the way we did certain mechanics. I eventually left that static after having to reclear in PF for several weeks anyway and just clearing E7S in PF while this static was still wiping to E7S adds. I basically quit Savage after this. I got pulled back in for 6.2 and it's actually a very good time when you're raiding with rational adults and not a cliquey group of friends.

36:41 "Does the demon have hair?" xffing

why does chat get so mad when he pauses? if i just wanted to watch the video without baldy talking then i can just watch the video on my own

Rin keeps losing my respect more and more overtime. I dont want to have no respect for him but he is making it difficult Regardless of if he is right or not, the way he was speaking to the healer was so disrespectful and condescending.

I don't understand. Why is the only items that he brings forward is stuff that *supports* the arguments against him. There is a severe lack of self-awareness going on in this "response" video. Maybe if they fix it later then we'll see. But for now all this really proved is that they're full of rude arrogant people, sadly including Rin who I used to like. :< Also edit: I'm fully a "two sides to every story" and we will probably never know all the details. But when I literally see Rin sitting there telling someone they're yelling and we can hear that he isn't in *both* clips where they accused him of it. You're just showing you're a bunch of liars pointing to calling someone a liar. Agree with the whole "Don't harass people" though. What do people think they're going to win doing that?

Yeah, because ragequitting is "participating in discussions", and spamming heals during downtime and OOM'ing yourself is "coming prepared" pepega

43:06 I'm 100% sure that the one that was pushing "his" strat was Rin cuz I watched his guide about the new paladin rotation, and for some reason he chose the most complicate rotation when in Discord you have an easier one that does the same overall damage.

Y'know, when I see Rin's behaviour, I start to think that sometimes, harassment can be justified.

Imagine Xenos now recruits Wave for the next ultimate raid. This whole drama would come to a happy conclusion

The raid lead should've just said I picked my friend over Wave, and that's it. Instead he buried himself under his own stupidity. Could've dodged the 'elitism' drama and just made it clear he picks favorites.

This is kind of the problem with them. None of them, especially raid leader nor Rin, knows anything about healing, and yet they defended Dice's mistake not because Dice was right, but rather they want to shut Wave up. At this point there is NO WAY the raid will progress, because no one is acknowledging the problem. And on the contrary, they are twisting them into illogical arguments. This is totally counterproductive for progging a raid because no one will know what went wrong, and what should be done right. These ain't hardcore raiders, they're casuals. They're casuals pretending they are playing hardcore by progging the hardest fight blind, without knowing what it really takes to prog a fight blind. They're better off reading guides at this point of time.

Hell yeah! Loving these racts. Drama is fun if you're not a part of it.

Man is speaking in a perfectly reasonable voice..."Stop yelling!"

Met someone just like this on Midgardsormr. You tell them that theyre wrong on something then they grasp at straws saying stuff like “oh well you were wrong to say that I was wrong in public like that”

This dude is so reading from a script their grp co-wrote

I sent this video to a friend of mine on discord and he was like "Bro, I raided with this raid leader, he's 100% fake. Everything he says is 100% a face, he has huge favoritism issues, he talks about shit he doesn't know anything about as if he was a master on the topic, and was fighting against me too when I had the same exact complaints as Wave does.

Dice is infamous on Crystal for being a dogshit healer. Its no surprise he had a fat cry to the raid leader, no other group would take him. The worst thing about this whole drama is now Dice is probably going to change his name and now a bunch of unfortunate healers are gonna get stuck having to put up with an awful healer they invited cus they don't realise its him.

Damn, the raid leader made just as good if not a better argument for Wave than Wave made 😂

If rin notices that wave always sounds that way, maybe he should consider it as his normal voice? For me it looks like the whole group is bullying wave the whole time for his voice... (3rd clip)