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Finally an upgrade for Crosley-type record players! - Banpa BP2ATC 

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@sergiogomezphotography
@sergiogomezphotography 2 года назад
Wow thank you for this article! I bought my niece a Crosley suitcase and it was cute as a 15 year old gift, she just turned 20 and her collection keeps growing. Feeling guilty that it sounds like crap but will get her a cartridge and replace it for her.
@vwestlife
@vwestlife 6 лет назад
*UPDATE:* Also now available is the Pfanstiehl P192D cartridge, which is the same thing as the Banpa except it already comes with a lighter-tracking (2 to 4 gram) stylus with a true 3 mil 78 RPM tip on the flip side: www.thevoiceofmusic.com/catalog/part_detail.asp?PNumberBase=P192D The Banpa cartridge is now also sold on eBay in generic form: www.ebay.com/itm/Double-ruby-and-sapphire-stereo-stylus-needle-turntable-cartridge/274448225805 And TurntableNeedles also now has an elliptical stylus upgrade available for the CZ-800 "Crosley" cartridge, the 793-DEM: www.turntableneedles.com/402-M208-165_Superior_Elliptical_Upgrade_Stylus Direct comparison time stamps: 10:18 old cartridge (Chuo Denshi CZ800) 14:50 new cartridge (Banpa BP2ATC)
@johnstone7697
@johnstone7697 6 лет назад
I wish you would take a test record and actually measure what's going on. Yes, it sounds "clearer", but that may just be due to an increase in midrange and treble output. So maybe it just has a rising response as opposed to a flat response, which you could also accomplish by adjusting tone controls. The real measure of improvement would be: does it actually track any better? What about it's handling of the heavy bass passages?
@lazerhawk1762
@lazerhawk1762 6 лет назад
The difference is HUGE!!!!
@ct1660
@ct1660 6 лет назад
It also depends on the record player you use it with. Tracks well at least with my BSR changer
@mogshade66
@mogshade66 6 лет назад
Thank you for this 😊 Too many people in my country are buying Crosley turntables. NZ is flooded with them. Music to watch girls by. Hillarious 😀
@directorkid3131
@directorkid3131 5 лет назад
Definitely going to be upgrading my Crosley-type turntable after seeing this. I want to replace the tonearm with one with a counter weight, replace the dust cover with a glass one, and get a diamond stylus. Oh and quality speaker.
@tomtetrick
@tomtetrick 6 лет назад
I don’t own a Crosley but my ilive is very similar. So I took your advice and bought the diamond needle. Wow!! It’s like a brand new player!! It’s really awesome that you put this video out instead of like so many out there bashing the all in ones. I will still be saving for a better player but for now I’m happy. Thank you
@directorkid3131
@directorkid3131 5 лет назад
My mom got me a crosley-type turntable (Musitrend to be exact) as my first record player because it was cheap and we're poor. It's really great. You can turn off auto stop, it can play all speeds, you can plug in headphones and speakers, and it comes with a cord to put the music digitally on your computer. The only problem is that the tonearm doesn't have a counter weight, and the stylus is cheap Crosley ceramic. Glad I saw this video. Definitely going to buy the bampa cartridge. I also want to replace the tonearm with a silver s shaped one with counter weight. I'd also like to replace the dust cover with a glass one.
@xaenon
@xaenon 4 года назад
@@directorkid3131 Ceramic doesn't automatically mean 'bad'. Sure, it's not the equal of a magnetic, but the biggest flaw with those suitcase things is the itty bitty speakers they fit them with. The lack of a counterweight on those things isn't really that big of a a deal. They actually track about 5g, which is actually the recommended tracking force for most ceramic carts. Even at 5g, most records will last several hundred plays before there is significant detioration. As a sort of experiment, I took a pair of basic, small two way speakers from an old 'shelf' stereo I had (long since perished) and hooked them to the amplifier of a Victrola portable, bypassing the built-in speakers. What a stunning difference; it actually sounded respectable! The amplifier is nothing to write home about, probably one watt per channel at most, but many people don't realize that you can actually get decent volume with relatively low power. I'm still not a fan of those portable things, but It's easy to see the shortcomings and with a little ingenuity, correct them. It's still not audiophile, true, but that doesn't mean there there aren't ways to make it better.
@GrumpzTheCat
@GrumpzTheCat 3 года назад
@@xaenon Also apparently they dont match the impedance of the cartridge, so it doesnt sound very good. Ceramic carts can actually sound good if you use them correctly.
@xaenon
@xaenon 3 года назад
@@GrumpzTheCat That is also a valid concern, but really, because of the tiny speakers, you're not going to see much improvement by impedance-matching the amp. If you go with my route of external speakers (and preferably an external amp), the issue it will become more prominent. Nonetheless, even without the proper input impedance, the external speakers (with or without an outboard amp) will make a significant improvement over the internal audio section.
@sadwingsofvinyldestinyeddjones
@sadwingsofvinyldestinyeddjones 3 года назад
@@GrumpzTheCat Yes indeed
@wa27
@wa27 6 лет назад
That stereo stack is a trip. It looks like every early-2000's stereo that typically had a 5-disc changer. I've never seen one with a turntable.
@BilisNegra
@BilisNegra 6 лет назад
Well, a disc changer belongs to the 90's a lot more. Actually, the whole of that system does, it's a real rarity out of phase with the time of its release. Maybe it was not the last one with a turntable on it, but the first adapted to the the modern vinyl revivalism. As far as I can remember, turntables had virtually disappeared from home stereos when the 90's decade was at its half (though they were always there in the DJing scene and high end gear), not to come back until over a decade later.
@s8wc3
@s8wc3 6 лет назад
My grandma has a Vorx brand stacker with a turntable. No disk changer though, way too cheap for that, but the single disk tray is very chunky and closes with a nice thump. Late 80s-early 90s.
@dougbrowning82
@dougbrowning82 6 лет назад
My sister has a similar stereo. Curtis branded, with a 3 disk CD changer, dual cassette deck, AM/FM radio, phonograph, and remote. If the sun hits it right, it'll turn on by itself. Bought at London Drugs (Canada) in the early 2000's to replace a late 1970's Radio Shack Realistic Clarinet system with the usual BSR record changer.
@raymondleggs5508
@raymondleggs5508 6 лет назад
I have seen stereo systems like that still made with turntables they go under weird brands though..
@raymondleggs5508
@raymondleggs5508 6 лет назад
The sunlight turns it on because the sunlight is similar to the signal that comes from the remote.
@saxman112
@saxman112 6 лет назад
Wow, that 78 sounds amazing for how long its been around!
@Musicradio77Network
@Musicradio77Network 6 лет назад
That would've been great to play it on my GE Wildcat, because mine had a C660 phono cartridge with a single LP diamond stylus, and it would not support to play a 78 with an LP stylus. I would've get the cartridge with the flipover stylus for my GE Wildcat. I also used my Victrola VV 8-4 and it does sound fine for 78's, because it had a steel needle and an Orthophonic reproducer and it doesn't sound too bad, but it gets minor damage after a number of plays on later 78's including this one. The quality sounds better than the distorted quality on my 1926 wind-up Victrola.
@vinniemorciglio4632
@vinniemorciglio4632 6 лет назад
Agreed. for 1939 it sounds better than some new albums being produced now, LOL
@venturarodriguezvallejo1567
@venturarodriguezvallejo1567 6 лет назад
@@vinniemorciglio4632 More than agree. A high surprise for me... Even more if one takes into account the minimal or non existent mixing and/or eq techniques used in those days. One song, just one take. Really remarkable!
@britsluver
@britsluver 5 лет назад
That kiss kiss bop is amazing
@samuelpyke5933
@samuelpyke5933 5 лет назад
I have a few 78s (50+of them) and they all sound good even though they were in the cold and heat outside for 50 years (grandparents shed) I had to clean all of them
@ct1660
@ct1660 6 лет назад
Oh hey, you finally made a video of the Banpa! As for cheap record players I repair, I pretty much upgrade them with Banpa cartridges if it had a Crosley-type cart or an AUE cart or a Varco cart.
@MrMoekanz
@MrMoekanz 5 лет назад
are there any other cartridges that would fit this player? I am hesitant to fit the Banpa or Varco as they have a narrower option of suitable styli. I would like to fit a better quality cartridge that is comparable with red clip style styli, and replace the stylus with something like the cerapreme blue as shown in the video.
@intelbreak
@intelbreak Год назад
@14:46 I found and purchased this complete boxed set after watching your video. It is pretty rare, I got very lucky mine is mint! Thank you so much for sharing some of your knowledge and collection.
@kennethcornine6675
@kennethcornine6675 4 года назад
Thank you for this! My Victrola 6-in-1 was skipping on many of my records (which played just fine on another turntable). I swapped in the Banpa cartridge and not only does it sound much better, but it corrected the skipping problem. Much happier!
@sissy20088
@sissy20088 2 года назад
The buttons on my innovative technology MODEL: ITVS-750 are stuck. First I tried spraying them with WD40 with no luck. Next I removed the back and found out the buttons were not accessible from the back. I could not find any screws to remove the face where the buttons are so I don't know what to try next. Any suggestions will be appreciated .
@janedoe6350
@janedoe6350 2 года назад
When you squeeze the terminals to make a better fit... slide a tooth pick inside the terminal so when you squeeze, you have the wood as resistance preventing you from over squeezing and crushing. Also makes holding the terminal easier when squeezing.
@ct1660
@ct1660 6 лет назад
The cartridges that It can immediately upgrade are the following: -Chuo Denshi CZ-800 (Pfanstiehl P-188 and clones) -AUE CP-38S/CP-40S (Pfanstiehl P-189) -Varco TN4/Chuo Denshi CZ-680 (Pfansitehl P-226/P-187)
@TreyWait
@TreyWait 6 лет назад
Instead of a nut you should have glued a bolt to the end, then you could have used a nut as an adjustable counter weight..
@francisgerald7642
@francisgerald7642 5 лет назад
In the 1970's that was a cartridge called a "Tetrad", believe me that for sound reproduction, weight, tracking they were the best! I loved them! They played 78's flawlessly,then flipped over they play 45's, and 33's I liked them much more than even magnetic. Believe me I am totally critical, and picky about phono needles. The Astatic T81 is really fabulous, but kinda heavy.
@Dillon7932
@Dillon7932 3 года назад
Thank you! My lil Crosley has been playing great!
@bob7872
@bob7872 6 лет назад
I'm glad you did this video. I was hoping there would be another flip cartridge!
@MsCori76
@MsCori76 5 лет назад
Wow, the amazing sound of that 78, blew me away. I’ve never heard one sound that crisp & clear.
@TheRailroad99
@TheRailroad99 6 лет назад
That 78 shellac record sounded really good for such a record! This is probably one of the best / most high end ways of playing these I guess... At least common "high end" HiFi record players do not have the 78rpm motor speed
@barthonhoff5547
@barthonhoff5547 5 лет назад
TheRailroad99 My Thorens TD-126 mk3 has 78rpm as well. That was the reason I brought it in the first place. But to be honest, loaded with an Stanton 500 and its 78rpm stylus on a 1000€ arm fluid damped, it does not sounds better than my Dual 1229 with an cheap 78 chrystal 78 saphire stylus.
@Musicradio77Network
@Musicradio77Network 2 года назад
The 78 sounds better than the early century acoustic 78’s from the 1910’s and 1920’s, it does play on both the turntable and on a windup acoustic phonograph.
@markm0000
@markm0000 6 лет назад
What a cute song there at the end. Would be perfect for a valentines day greeting card.
@ralphhoskins2115
@ralphhoskins2115 6 лет назад
Hey westlife, love your vids buddy I’m glad someone finally did a video covering these awesome little cartridges, I restore turntables and have been upgrading Crosleys with these for a while now, I found them on some British boytone all in ones and tracked them down from there. They have been using them forever over there, figures the home of bsr and garrard wouldn’t stand for a record player without a flip stylus... lol.. but yes they are so much better than the cz800’s... and it’s great to see modern tt’s, with a flip stylus again,, warms my heart
@dougbrowning82
@dougbrowning82 6 лет назад
The flip-over stylus came about in the 1960's. Before that, the entire cartridge flipped over to reveal the other stylus, either by turning a knob on the front or on top of the head shell.
@ronkimball8489
@ronkimball8489 3 месяца назад
A late comment LOL: Put a 10 gram stick-on wheel weight on the arse end of the arm, that gets the Crosleys down to just over 4G - the CZ800 is rated at 4-6G. Diamond vs sapphire doesn't make any sonic or wear difference - but most report that the rubber mounted aluminum shank vs all-plastic does affect sound. Sapphire should be replaced every 300 side plays (100 hours), diamond is good for 1500 side plays (500 hours)
@NJRoadfan
@NJRoadfan 6 лет назад
That 78 sounds pretty damn good (even if the RIAA curve is muddling the output)!
@Musicradio77Network
@Musicradio77Network 6 лет назад
Even my 1926 Victor wind-up Victrola VV 8-4 plays fine, but it has a lot of distortion over this one when using a steel needle.
@1mctous
@1mctous 6 лет назад
The Orthophonic soundbox has probably deteriorated over time (gaskets no longer seal, etc.). They can be rebuilt at reasonable prices ($70-80).
@1mctous
@1mctous 6 лет назад
The 78 rpm EQ curves varied widely, with bass rolloffs from 250 to 800 Hz and 10 KHz treble boost from 0 to 16 dB (both at 6 dB/octave).
@HamtaroEL
@HamtaroEL 6 лет назад
Martin Tousignant There is also 1000hz which is considered high frequencies theoretically.
@1mctous
@1mctous 6 лет назад
1000 Hz bass rolloff is pretty rare. Victor's EQ curve from 1938-48 came fairly close to RIAA (500 Hz bass rolloff, same as RIAA; +12 dB at 10 KHz vs. +13.7 for RIAA).
@mercuryoak2
@mercuryoak2 6 лет назад
My Craig record player I know has the same cartridge. So im sure it will work for mine too then . good video as always . Plus informative for ugrades on these record players.
@kamuy_1337
@kamuy_1337 6 лет назад
His voice gives me asmr...
@Sarruji
@Sarruji 6 лет назад
I like TechAltar for the same reason. I'm not sure if its asmr but it is noticeably relaxing.
@Ninnuam999
@Ninnuam999 6 лет назад
One of the main reasons I'm subscribed.
@yambo59
@yambo59 2 года назад
The built in preset "antiskate" may easily be off making it just prone enough to skip that it wont play this particular track. Love the fact you gave a thorough trial and error effort, I like trying to tinker with things like this and look for improvements even if its just for the fun of it.
@johnsonjaymusic
@johnsonjaymusic 2 года назад
Made a big difference! Thanks for your advice
@jessemciver9592
@jessemciver9592 4 года назад
thank you SO much for making this video! I'm just getting into the record scene and all i can really afford is a crosley cruiser. I only play thrifted records, but it still seems like a shame to wreck them with a bad needle. ill definitely be buying one of these!
@davidward9487
@davidward9487 3 года назад
You should see the record players they were originally played on. It's a good upgrade. But don't be embarrassed by your cruiser. I have 2 stack o matics that i love. Just enjoy the experience and hope you're enjoying the hobby
@d.i.n.g.u.s
@d.i.n.g.u.s 2 года назад
Alternatively, target sells a heydayplayer shy over 100
@errYuck
@errYuck 2 года назад
Anybody reading this now - spend another $20 and get an Audio Technica ATLP60 rather than a Crosley...seriously
@Musicradio77Network
@Musicradio77Network 6 лет назад
This clip at 11:35 was from "It's a Wonderful Life", one of the many holiday films ever made.
@Gigidag77
@Gigidag77 4 года назад
*"Music to watch girls by"* oh boy, that title didn't age well...
@johndelgadillo2815
@johndelgadillo2815 3 года назад
Idk what your talking about whats wrong with hiding in bushes with a soundburger listening to that and watching girls
@tremolux13
@tremolux13 6 лет назад
Man , I enjoy your uploads.. Thank you for what you do..
@BanieVinluan
@BanieVinluan 4 года назад
I agree :)
@ebmeverything9035
@ebmeverything9035 3 года назад
I know it’s been 2 years, but thank you... my Byron Studios suitcase is in much need of an upgrade!
@crackhouseaudiophile1570
@crackhouseaudiophile1570 2 года назад
Great video! I've been avoiding these turntables, but will probably pick one up next time I see one at the thrift shop, just for the ability to play 78s. Adding one of these carts and a proper flip stylus should be a fun project!
@themaritimegirl
@themaritimegirl 6 лет назад
This is really neat to see. The sad truth is that I actually like the look of some of the Crosley units, so knowing these cartridges improve the sound that much, I would actually consider one if I ever start an album library.
@Livewire91
@Livewire91 6 лет назад
Crosley is totally fine with a good stylus upgrade and speakers. Not high end, but for the price it's good. Would rather just buy a cheap 80's automatic turntable. You can get them for about 15-45€. Crosleys cost 80-120€
@dougbrowning82
@dougbrowning82 6 лет назад
The retail mark up on those Crosley type players is amazing, considering they wholesale for under $40 US. Usually in minimum lots of 1000 units.
@31cify
@31cify 4 года назад
Yes splendid, that's the ticket......loyalty to the Croz!
@JimLeonard
@JimLeonard 6 лет назад
Fantastic quality on the 78! A suggestion for future videos; play the bad and good side-by-side so that we don't have to seek around for the comparisons.
@vwestlife
@vwestlife 6 лет назад
I added a pinned comment with time stamps for a direct comparison.
@JimLeonard
@JimLeonard 6 лет назад
VWestlife I must have missed that, thanks for the clarification.
@bpabustan
@bpabustan 5 лет назад
surprisingly, the 78 sounds very good. I could have sworn it was a hi-fi recording.
@kevinc5680
@kevinc5680 4 года назад
Great video! Got a Victrola all in one at a garage sale for $10. Cartridge needed to be replaced so I researched if there was a way to upgrade it. Found your video, found the Banpa cartridge, installed it and it works great! Sounds better than before! I have a full size turntable in my living area and used this for my office so I can listen to albums while I work from home! Thanks again and stay safe!
@gadget73
@gadget73 6 лет назад
78's are surprisingly good sounding if in good shape. I've got some from the 30s that are just fantastic, and I've had some you can tell were played with a dull steel needle because they're completely trashed.
@KRAFTWERK2K6
@KRAFTWERK2K6 2 года назад
Kev you always are the BEST resource for such crucial and well explained topics (especially how to replace things) when it comes to such things!! I wonder… this flippable Banpa stylus cartridge set with the apparent "78rpm" side is not the right size for 78s? So it's basically useless since it doesn't fit the groove of a standard vinyl record either?
@cletusspuckler2243
@cletusspuckler2243 6 лет назад
DAMN ! That 78 rpms plays nicer than the Lp !!!!
@discusobscurum2194
@discusobscurum2194 4 года назад
You'd be surprised, some sound horrid, some sound eerily life-like. I find that electrically recorded Decca and older Columbia records sound amazing.
@simplyemaad
@simplyemaad 3 года назад
I installed the bampa on my ion player... such a biiiig difference.. I tried all the vinyls that used to skip aggressively... and now it's reduced to 95%...with a much better sound!! :) Thank you soo much for this video.. I pushed my plans of buying a professional player to a couple of months cause now things are awesome... Jus another doubt.. the previous tracking force with the default cartridge was 5.59gms.. now with the bampa its higher.. should I decrease it and get it to 5.59 or go lower? Please suggest. Many thanks.
@trewlove
@trewlove 6 лет назад
Thumbs up for Daft Punk sketch
@mogshade66
@mogshade66 6 лет назад
When you've just had enough of housework 😊
@georgefiddler1742
@georgefiddler1742 6 лет назад
I did this on a Customers British Version of the "Crosley", after restoring his 1930's Radio set. His was a GPO record player and Radio. The Chuo Denshi was scrap, so I fitted a Medium output BSR SC12M Cart, with flipover stylus, it improved it massivley and actually had some bass response, but the Cart I feel is worth more than the entire set!
@ct1660
@ct1660 6 лет назад
You can also upgrade the cartridge on a Stack-O-Matic. Even though its an AUE cartridge, it uses the same cartridge clip as the Chuo-Denshi CZ800 clones.
@stevesstuff1450
@stevesstuff1450 3 года назад
George: Yeah... That BSR cartridge was, for it's time, a brilliant ceramic cartridge... it was in so many music centre systems from Ferguson and Goodmans with BSR turntables, etc..... tracking at 4 grammes, and never hurt an LP played on them !
@4468
@4468 6 лет назад
🎶 Oh we must have one more 💋💋 before we say goodnight 🎶 It's a catchy song :)
@Dave-zs7uo
@Dave-zs7uo 3 года назад
I recall many years ago dealing with ceramic cartridges just like you. In those days the magnetics were more costly and I needed a preamp. So I modified the turntable to take the best ceramic. It had two separate metal parts each had a needle, lp and 78. They would flip to the receiving mount. The unit had the best specs 0.5 V with very good channel separation. When was all done it would not match a magnetic. In those days my resources was thin as I bought a 20 stereo Amp circuit board made by phillips. I am quite surprised to see records coming back.
@sneff212
@sneff212 6 лет назад
Thanks for the banpa cartridge tutorial! I was making a aio shelf for all my audio equip for college and having a vid on how to upgrade my old jensen needle really helped. Thanks!
@mypulse9
@mypulse9 6 лет назад
So happy to see another video from you. Why did it take you so long?
@frazzleface753
@frazzleface753 6 лет назад
Does that Daft Punk record ever NOT skip?
@VideoArchiveGuy
@VideoArchiveGuy 5 лет назад
When played on a good turntable with a higher end cartridge, yes. Something like a Technics SL-1200G with an Ortofon Black 2M.
@theanorakchannel2496
@theanorakchannel2496 3 года назад
@@VideoArchiveGuy it doesn’t skip on my Rega Planar 3 either.
@andywavecl
@andywavecl 3 года назад
It just skips on ceramic cartdriges
@Seej1982
@Seej1982 3 года назад
On the AT LP-60X.
@dlarge6502
@dlarge6502 6 лет назад
My god 78's sound great. I had no idea.
@josephgecho7908
@josephgecho7908 6 лет назад
more area with less information, of course its better
@BertGrink
@BertGrink 6 лет назад
Many years ago, one of my then friends got hold of a stack of old RCA 78RPM records, and to this day i have never heard anything with the same amount of dynamic range. One of the records in particular made a great impression on me, it was an acoustic jazz band recorded 'live' in the studio, and aside from some minor surface noise, the recording itself sounded just like being in the same room as the band. One thing i remember about the records themselves was that they were much thicker, perhaps even twice as thick, as regular 78s, which goes a long way to explain why they could sound that good - e.g. flexing and warping were almost nonexistent.
@FixiousMaximus
@FixiousMaximus 6 лет назад
That cable appears to be a Panasonic VJPS0069.
@yorgle
@yorgle 6 лет назад
It was an accessory packaged with the Panasonic PV6000 portable VHS deck Ours came with a PV-A600 tuner. Not sure if it was available with the PV-A500 tuner as well. I only remember the models thanks to ebay/web searching. We had one back in the 80s for use with our video camera. (edited to remove silly parens)
@imrustyokay
@imrustyokay 3 года назад
oh hey my grandma had one of those teac decks. So nostalgic.
@franklynpolster8949
@franklynpolster8949 4 года назад
Thank you for posting this. Useful info for upgrading new tables as well as repairing some old ones. Great!
@simontay4851
@simontay4851 6 лет назад
If that daft punk record skips in the same place every time and is the only record that does, I think that there might be a small pressing defect or scratch in that particular place that causes the needle to mistrack to the adjacent groove.
@gadget73
@gadget73 6 лет назад
Also possible it got damaged from mistracking. I trashed a Stevie Wonder album once from that.
@jcardboard
@jcardboard 6 лет назад
That record is known for dodgy pressings I believe.
@eduardoavila646
@eduardoavila646 4 года назад
I dont think so, all copies i saw in the internet due to the bass made the stylus skip in cheap and mid range record players. Apparently these were made to be played only on high end turntables, and dj equipament. Well at least it is what people say anyway.
@blitzroehre1807
@blitzroehre1807 4 года назад
@@eduardoavila646 Exactly. On players where you can adjust anti-skating that Daft Punk Maxi is no problem
@easycompzeelandold2521
@easycompzeelandold2521 6 лет назад
20:50 i’ll love it! If we only could travel back in time...
@custardmustardgustar
@custardmustardgustar 4 года назад
Thanks so much for this video. Literally just received my cartridge and stylus today and it is a massive improvement. My records don't skip anymore and the sound is so much clearer and crisper. Thanks again!
@stonent
@stonent 6 лет назад
The old cart really had a hollow sound to it. You can tell in the bells during the first song. Quite an improvement with the Banpa one.
@LadyFreedom_
@LadyFreedom_ 4 года назад
Greetings! 1. Thank you for the video and all the work you put into it. 2. I have a Crosley cruiser (CR8005A-BK) I’d like to be safe and get a good needle and cartridge, is the pfanstiehl p192D compatible ? If not is there one you could recommend😊Or any more information you wouldn’t mind sharing? (Or any others if they know) Thanks so much again.
@xavierrose8208
@xavierrose8208 3 года назад
It's not a bad sounding turntable though for an all in one unit. I'd use it as a bedroom stereo if I wasn't in the living room listening on my loved turntable. My first turntable wanna shocking Cobalt (around 2007 I wanna say I got it), it was mono and just disgusting but loved it either way. Now I've got a Sherwood Pm 9805 which is basically the Technics 1200 series, use ortofon concord mk 2 cartridge. Love it!
@douglasallen9428
@douglasallen9428 6 лет назад
Oddly, I've been thinking to myself about why no one ever thought of doing something like this to begin with (since the beginning of the 'vinyl revival', at any rate) a LOT sooner rather than right now........... I guess we're way better off late than never.
@PhilXavierSierraJones
@PhilXavierSierraJones 5 лет назад
You might be able to adjust the tracking force by adjusting the spring below the tonearm (inside the case) or by adding weights below the cantilever mechanism where the tonearm hinges on.
@yodoglover400
@yodoglover400 Год назад
That is a good 78. I have that same shellac along with other Johnny Messner records. He is one of my most favorite late 30s to 40s bands. My other favorite is Gray Gordon and his Tic Toc Rhythm. (Nothing to do with the Chinese app.) Kind of obscure but I like that. Never been on CD as far as I know. Thanks for the good videos.
@macraghnaill3553
@macraghnaill3553 6 лет назад
The BSR stylus also comes with twin LP stylus, way back in time when we bought a record player it came with a 78 rpm/LP saphire stylus which when replaced people without 78rpm records bought a double LP diamond stylus [I still have an original ST10 & ST 12 ]
@CoolDudeClem
@CoolDudeClem 6 лет назад
So near yet so far! What I'm talking about is that they almost got it right, just when i thought they'd brought back the classic "flip over" stylus, if they had put the proper "needle" on the 78 side it would have been pretty much perfect. The 78 sounded remarkably clean, considering that some time in it's past it almost certainly got played by a steel needle a few times. that first record reminded me of the music in a lot of the carry-on films. I didn't care for the daft punk, to me that isn't music.
@ct1660
@ct1660 6 лет назад
Yeah. When I got 2 of them to sample them on my Morse and on the Magnavox "Cruiser clone", I tried the 78 side, and noticed the same exact surface noise as if it were an LP needle. Turns out I was right. A guy from the record players facebook group was the one that discovered which stylus was compatible with the Banpa. After we did trial-and-error with several replacement styli, it turns out it's indeed an updated BSR SC12 made to fit on a "Crosley Cartridge" holder. I plan on getting a BSR SC12 to compare the sound quality with the BSR clone and the real deal. I've been using Banpa cartridges exclusively now to repair cheap record players that previously had a Varco TN4, Chuo-Denshi CZ-680, AUE CP-40S or a Chuo-Denshi CZ-800 cartridge installed
@gary4120
@gary4120 6 лет назад
On the Daft Punk album, the recording engineer who cut the master was probably not being careful with groove spacing and audio levels. Its possible that the concentric grooves touch or even cross at the point where is skips.
@stevesstuff1450
@stevesstuff1450 3 года назад
No... it's because the cartridge/headshell mass is too light. If it were heavier, then with the correct amount of counter weight to balance it, it would play correctly without skipping. The AT-LP60 had that same skipping issue on records until Audio Technica released the newer AT-LP60X version with a more dense, higher mass headshell; although it still tracked at around 3 grammes, it didn't skip any more because of the extra headshell mass.... When VWestlife added that extra small nut under the headshell, along with the larger one on the 'counterweight', that should have cured the skipping on the Daft Punk LP too. It sounded great playing the 78rpm record! It's not a problem with the 'Daft Punk' LP... it's a problem with the playback equipment.... an AT-LP120/LP120X will not, and does not have a problem playing that LP - providing it was set-up correctly, and nor does any other mid-to high hi-fi record player. A decent record player player is not just about spinning the record at the right speed.... The Tonearm/cartridge assembly is also vital... the mass at the cartridge end needs to be compatible with the mass of the tonearm; if one is too light, or too heavy, then performance will suffer.... the compliance of the stylus assembly is also very important here..... If it's too stiff (low compliance) then it will skip in a lower mass (weight) arm. A higher compliance cartridge (more freely moving cantilever) will just collapse under a high mass (heavy weight arm). It's all about getting a perfect balance with cartridge and arm. These low cost Crosley-type players are very low mass on the tonearm, and have a light weight cartridge.... it will never hold the groove of a louder, more bass-heavy record.... as VWestife demonstrated here.
@gary4120
@gary4120 3 года назад
@@stevesstuff1450 He mentions that this album miss tracks on other higher-end turntables with higher-end cartridges. It is doubtful he is using poorly adjusted tracking force on those as well.
@stevesstuff1450
@stevesstuff1450 3 года назад
@@gary4120 : No, he's not... but if you watch some of his later videos concerning this - especially the one with the newer AT-LP60X turntable, you'll see what I was describing....the headshell/cartridge mass is too light here, and so skipping occurs. Those other turntable he mentions that skip all have the same lightweight plastic headshell with nothing to hold the cartridge down. With more mass on the cartridge, and the counterweight adjusted accordingly, the stylus can stay in the groove. It's standard, simple turntable, arm, and cartridge physics....
@weirdnetwork
@weirdnetwork 5 лет назад
you have to admire his persistence with trying to find a cheap record player that's able to play daft punk without skipping and ask for that 78 record while I haven't got that song out my head now
@rizzlerazzleuno4733
@rizzlerazzleuno4733 2 года назад
Very useful and entertaining. I am restoring some 60s stereo consoles (1 with tubes, 2 solid state) and need all the info I can find on improving them. Thanks.
@PuffyRainbowCloud
@PuffyRainbowCloud 2 года назад
Did you have any luck with one of these on an older record player? I have a portable one, a Philips AG9148 from 1959. It has an AG3302 cartridge and styli, especially the 78 RPM styli, are hard to come by and I can't even begin to fathom how to install them ´ so I've been looking for alternatives.
@martinda7446
@martinda7446 6 лет назад
Having replaced a thousand cartridges over the years...The best way is with a finger nail to apply pressure between the cartridge body and the pin end and lever gently - no stress on the cables. Or a small tool to replace a finger nail, but a finger nail is perfect. Putting them on with the fingers is also best, unless they are tight, in which case open the lugs up slightly with a pin/implement the right size. Great video as usual. Edit: Getting these cheap tonearms in the right position for a finger can be a challenge mind...Use good light and put your glasses on.
@CoolDudeClem
@CoolDudeClem 4 года назад
Does anybody know if or where I can get that parcticular cartidge here in the UK? I've looked around on various sites but had no luck so far.
@vwestlife
@vwestlife 4 года назад
I don't know about in the UK, but V-M Audio Enthusiasts sells Pfanstiehl's version of it (the P-192D), and they do ship internationally: www.thevoiceofmusic.com/catalog/part_detail.asp?PNumberBase=P192D
@robertconboy9773
@robertconboy9773 Год назад
I just bought my first record player. I got the suitcase Victrola player and was having the same problems with skipping on certain tracks. The BP2ATC was a life saver, works perfectly! Thank you so much for this tip!
@raymondleggs5508
@raymondleggs5508 6 лет назад
Around the world around the world around the world around the world!
@sergiogomezphotography
@sergiogomezphotography 2 года назад
I'm adding your link to a forum post that is the basis of me searching when I found your post. Thank you!
@Kharizmah
@Kharizmah 5 лет назад
Thank You. This was so helpfulin making my Pyle play records better. The Pyle is just more aesthetically pleasing. It's a real statement peice. After switching to the banpa I was able to remove the taped nickel that was acting as a counterweight to prevent skipping. The sound is much better, even more than the diamond stylus. I also added a felt mat. It's wonderful for analog records, but digital records still sound so much better on the Music Hall.
@souta95
@souta95 6 лет назад
I have an identical adapter to the gray one with the stereo/mono switch. I believe it shipped with a Gateway PC in the late 90's that came equipped with a video capture card. This would have been a late Pentium II or early Pentium III machine running Windows 98.
@martinda7446
@martinda7446 6 лет назад
Lovely quality IS available from 78 RPM discs. Nice to hear. The finest readily available discs will be 45 RPM microgroove 12 inch discs. If you want to hear earth moving bass and dynamics to lift buildings, the 12 inch 45 can manage it. Microgroove has benefit as does the faster scanning speed and the low distortion and easier mastering of the 12 inch allowing for big amplitude widely spaced grooves = often amazing. Specs are hard to find but the back of an envelope calcs seem to say multiply quality by 2.6 as an average over 33.33 - Bass and dynamics x 5. 45 is a good balance between scanning speed and .flutter and mechanical noise introduced by spinning a mass produced disc at higher speeds. Great video as usual.
@riverhuntingdon6659
@riverhuntingdon6659 6 лет назад
At last. This is what they should have fitted to all those Crap-o-phones from new. Good to see it accepts the ST17 BSR stylii too. Very useful to know. In an emergency one could replace a dud SC12H cartridge with this too. Thanks for a most useful upload :-)
@ShotecMusic
@ShotecMusic 3 года назад
So now I have Crosley Cruiser which I bought just to mess around with and Lenco L-30 which uses AT3600L MM cartridge. Many records skip on Crosley but not on Lenco. I know that AT3600L uses diamond stylus but the angle on Crosley seems so wrong. Like the stylus is aimed towards the groove instead to be in 90° angle. Do you think this might be the reason of all the skips? Like 3 or 4 slipmats could solve that :) Thank you!
@Terry.W
@Terry.W 6 лет назад
Yay long live the 78.
@Musicradio77Network
@Musicradio77Network 6 лет назад
And the Victor Victrola.
@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777
@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777 2 года назад
@14:11 - that is the really poor design point of those machines.. I worked on one once and the whole cartridge assembly fell apart in my hands with the internals dumping out and the very fine wires snapping. One time doing a live DJ gig.. I had to throw on a new cartridge and what I didn't realize I had reversed the wires when I set the 'new' cartridge up - and what happened was the audio was out of phase (causing the audio to have NO Bass and missing a channel) - I had a Mono switch on my Mixer which I thought would rectify the problem - not knowing yet I had reversed the wires.. the whole gig was ruined as I thought it was something to do with the house amplifier - so always check your wires twice before a gig.. thank God that only happened once.. super disorientating problem when you're supposed to be mixing for a crowd... very embarrassing.
@7JANEWAY
@7JANEWAY 5 лет назад
You're immediately hit with much better separation between the channels and much fuller sound with the Banpa. It also was a cleaner sound than the Chuo Denshi. With the Daft Punk, more bass could be heard as well. Each of these skips at the same place--which shows it's a pressing issue with the record. A lot of times, if you can't get a skip to not skip by adding weight or a better stylus, it means the record itself is flawed. In that case, the only answer is to buy a new record. I would suggest in these cases, buy from Amazon or another vendor that allows you to return the record if your new copy has the same issue. Yet another example of you get what you pay for--the Chuo Denshi, once again, shows exactly WHY it's so cheap!!!
@TallisLizzy
@TallisLizzy Год назад
These are good replacements for those old 45 record changers from the 50’s. I have a lot of fun with mine.
@opiekrumpus4182
@opiekrumpus4182 7 дней назад
Because of your great video I ordered this cartridge for my Victoria 8 b 1 record player. Can’t wait to to install and listen to the great sound from my albums. Thanks your videos are so educational and interesting to watch.
@wildbilltexas
@wildbilltexas 6 лет назад
Thanks for the video! I have a Numark PT-01 with the same Chuo Denshi cartridge I'd like to replace.
@jdekong3945
@jdekong3945 6 лет назад
Wow, the 78 does sound good!!!
@dougbrowning82
@dougbrowning82 6 лет назад
The post-war hi-fi revolution actually began with 78's. That's where RCA first developed its New Orthophonic Hi-fi sound.
@jessekershaw76
@jessekershaw76 2 года назад
Thank you for this video. I've recently started getting back into vinyl and bought a very cool looking but inexpensive record player. I thought it was broken the bass was so non existent. Even through a fairly expensive pair of Edifier speakers with bass cranked it sounded horrible. I bought the cartidge you recommended and being a guitar player it was like finding the "tone". It's not quite as bass'y as I would like but boy is it better. I can enjoy the music. I cannot imagine anything with a better bang for the buck. So thank againt. Your video made this possible for me.
@trentpelletier1477
@trentpelletier1477 4 года назад
I hate myself! I just bought a five pack of scheap styli when I could have bought this amazing stylus
@MyManiacGamer
@MyManiacGamer 6 лет назад
That 78' wasn't creepy at all 😂😂😂
@wienerstein2817
@wienerstein2817 3 года назад
Yeah for real that made me want to jump out a window.
@volkerking5932
@volkerking5932 6 лет назад
Needle what's that? My CD Player don't have it. The 2nd Stylus sound like more Stronger and the precision is better or in other words the Presents is much better.
@BilisNegra
@BilisNegra 6 лет назад
And now, will anybody volunteer to decipher this indian talk gibbering?
@ilyprxz1979
@ilyprxz1979 3 года назад
sometimes i get a bit annoyed when ppl talk bad about crosley bc although yes a lot of their turntables suck a lot don’t bc i own a crosley t150 and it’s one of my favorite turntables i’ve ever owned and it replaced my audio technica lp 60
@johnpokrzywa3688
@johnpokrzywa3688 6 лет назад
Prying off the connector with a knife blade will result in less chance of breaking the wire leads.
@clockworkorange72
@clockworkorange72 5 лет назад
Thank God I found your channel you have really help me out a great deal.
@ct1660
@ct1660 6 лет назад
I got Banpa to finally release their tech specs on the BP2ATC: Technical Specifications: Needle pressure: 5 grams (4-6 grams) Output voltage: (at 1K Hz=3.54cm/sec) = 250 mV Channel distortion: (at 1k Hz) = 3 dB Channel separation: (at 1k Hz) = 15 dB Frequency response: 80-10000 Hz (±7dB) Size: 1.25''x0.75''x0.25'' Weight: 0.09 lbs I also updated my Amazon review so there is a list of compatible styli that works with the BP2ATC. Oddly enough, the Onkyo DN-31 is a 0.5 mil diamond, as opposed to 0.7 mil, making it perfect for playing Seeburg BMS 1000 records.
@vwestlife
@vwestlife 6 лет назад
Those are the same specifications they list for the BP1ATC, which is their CZ800 clone: a.co/1dNBSFt
@ct1660
@ct1660 6 лет назад
Its interesting how they use the same specs for both the BP1ATC and BP2ATC. I wonder what would happen if I swapped the internals from an actual CZ-800 into the BP2ATC..though it's gonna be tricky opening and closing the cart again.
@ct1660
@ct1660 6 лет назад
On a side note, the first Banpa that I bought started having intermittent issues after being constantly being plugged/unplugged as it was the cartridge I frequently tested with on different turntables. I would up rebuilding it using the internals from a Japanese-made AUE CP-38S and it is a massive improvement.
@BennettAustin7
@BennettAustin7 3 месяца назад
This worked like a charm on my Victrola. Thank you sir. My old Glenn Millers sound great now
@jimb032
@jimb032 4 года назад
I hope he accidentally drops that horrible 78 RPM record. Love the video though!
@urbanknish6965
@urbanknish6965 4 года назад
This guy is my kind of tinkerer - or as my wife would probably say, crazy like me.
@narta11
@narta11 3 года назад
There’s something very satisfying watching Donna Reed kill Daft Funk.
@dolnoslaski345
@dolnoslaski345 3 месяца назад
Sir, is there any way of mounting this flip cartridge to the headshell of AT LP120? What came to my mind would be some kind of adapter of something, but rly I am not sure...
@sueng-tueng
@sueng-tueng 3 года назад
May I replace an old cartridge of Numark PT-01USB or PT-01Scratch with this Banpa BP2ATC?
@vwestlife
@vwestlife 3 года назад
Yes.
@ZakkandtheJ
@ZakkandtheJ 3 года назад
I dig that song on the 78 reminds me of The Mask or Fallout or BioShock.
@jamessouthworth1699
@jamessouthworth1699 5 лет назад
I remember replacing these flip needles.
@alextirrellRI
@alextirrellRI 6 лет назад
Great video. I'd been wondering why I hadn't seen much talk on updating cartridges in these machines. Is this particular one new? (Seems like Amazon got it last year) I thought the all-in-one early 90's stereo I had as a kid used the same type, but I do recall going with my dad to get a new cartridge for it, which I'm pretty sure we did install somehow, but it looked odd. Is the main draw to this one that it will snap on? Maybe my old stereo did have some screw holes? PS., That's one of the best recordings of a 78 I've ever heard.
@BreemanAMV
@BreemanAMV 6 лет назад
Does anyone else hear Marble Zone from Sonic 1 at 10:48 / 15:19 ??
@MrCelroy
@MrCelroy 5 лет назад
Maybe the guy who composed it took inspiration from this song?
@clarkesuperman
@clarkesuperman 4 года назад
100%
@panda-goat
@panda-goat 6 лет назад
What are good 3 speed turntables under 150? Old or new. I just want to play 78s. I have a hand crank phonograph, but it doesn't sound that great. I do want one with a flip stylus.
@vwestlife
@vwestlife 6 лет назад
The best vintage turntable you can find for that price.
@dougbrowning82
@dougbrowning82 6 лет назад
Anything with a late 60's/early 70's Garrard, BSR, or Dual turntable will play 78's and the cartridges/styli are still obtainable. Most are convertible stacker/single play tables, and Duals were getting into counterweight tonearms that accept magnetic cartridges.
@jul1440
@jul1440 2 месяца назад
"Needle" and "stylus" are not interchangeable; the needles are the points _at the end_ of the stylus.
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