I think empathy, for me it is the most valuable, it has helped me to understand and forgive some people who has hurt me in the past. And also to help others in the best way possible.
OCEAN (or Big Five) works much better since it directly points out personality characteristics that are measurable. You could still use animals, but that's more subjective (even animals have differing personalities).
I'm so with you on "joy of creating" No matter if it's making up words or limetics, melody or a line of code, recipe or an image . I also have a successful example of a person quitting a job she was unhappy with, to start her own business after a 360° survey among her friends. Thanks for this episode
I could hear u guys talk about any subject, I mean it. Marshall is so cute and lovely and Stan is so, well, Stan, the show is my favorite company for drawing
We had courses like this in university and they were the most interesting in all of my learning years. The basic topic was what kind of leadership type you were and which kind of teams you would need to build around you to make the best overall Team. What impressed me most that last day the person i admired most for their characteristics was one that had almost polar opposite characteristics than i, but he also told me he admired me the most. They taught us how similar but also really different people can achieve incredible results once they know how to bounce their strenghts off of each other, but most importantly how your characteristics change from situation to situation and how the group can evolve to ensure the best outcome. If you "test" your type and follow it religiously it just becomes another zodiac sign, you ultimately need to use these theories to decide what person you want to be and not take it as a set goal of who you are or what others make of you.
"It doesn't pretend to be science." Outstanding, Marshall. Ancient near east wisdom (Proverbs in the Bible) has many such animal-examples, including ants and grasshoppers. BTW, _The Personality Brokers: The Strange History of Myers-Briggs and the Birth of Personality Testing_, by Merve Emre, blows that inventory out of the water. (Great audiobook, Stan!)
What Marshall said about weaknesses is why I really like the enneagram. I usually use it for making characters, but there's a part on some websites that talk about the numbers 'at its best' and 'at its worst' and it shows how every personality can be amazing and awful and I've done them enough to where whenever I see awful people, my brain just concludes they are 'at their worst' and need some help, or are having a bad day etc. Thinking about weaknesses, or the potential for a personality to have weakness and strengths depending on their health and context is super interesting.
Marshall, you have a genuinely beautiful voice and your silly lyrics are highly entertaining. Your singing before podcasts is not an excruciating indulgence.
I wish Stan would let Marshall finish a train of thought as he explained this, it was like watching a video chat. It was still a fun episode, I'll have to take that test after I find some friends.
Here's what I got from the liking to nature were. It doesn't matter what the result of a personality test is, you can only truly know the kind of person you are by experiencing life and observing yourself in context. Personality tests are more like trying to put wind in a bottle, and they'll always be a limit to how scientific one can get with research like this.
Personality tests are a better indicator of how your values are instead of your actual personality. Most people lie to themselves and pick things that aren’t like their personality to feel better.
Totally agree with our inabilty to type ourselves correctly in the MBTI tests... I thought I was an INFP for years and then I went and got myself professionally typed by Objective Personality and was typed as a jumper INTJ.
What if you're NOT good out the gate or after a year of two or practice but you decide to keep with it until you get better? Because even though your technical skill is lacking, you're practically flooded with internal imagery that you're compelled to produce just because it adds pleasure or value to your experience of being human. Even if you never produce work like Jim Lee, Fechin, Travis Charest or whoever, you want to continue.
My best friends have always been books. How many times can you get your human friends to sit quietly on a shelf? My 3 favorite books are: - Bridgerton by Julia Quinn - Topgun by Dan Pederson - Great Fighter Jets of the Galaxy 1 by Tim Gibson
I loves this one! Myers Briggs is fun but garbage and less fun than just creative use of metaphors as Marshall describes. Saying that, the big 5 personality test is based on much more rigorous science, probably the least fun but can be genuinely informative.
Marshalls animal system is better because it is creative and require something of the person and the person considering someone else. What Marshalls personality system is doing is giving metaphor to a person as a character. The meyer-briggs system instead is a container, a shape of sorts for behavior, that a character might be added to but it tells nothing of character itself, which is why Marshall could know two people that were opposites and yet the same Meyers-briggs catagories.
That Indeed advertisement at about 30:30 is kind of troubling. Does Proko not pay their employees enough for them to be able to afford a place to live? Seems like an inadvertent self-own there, all while trying to shame their employee-which is an extra bad look. Why would anybody want a job there?
Guys, Create this book's '34 qualities' concept into an actual game, if hasn't already been done. I could be easily be marketable as a great social learning game! Just a though. Jim Dasher Spectrum Graphics Seattle metro
MBTI has been really valuable for my personal development and art. If you get your type right (not likely to happen with a test unfortunately, humans are very complicated) it helps you understand yourself and others and gives you a path to develop. But it takes a lot of study to grasp the whole concept properly, so there are many misconceptions about it. Shallow interaction with MBTI is going to be simply... confusing.
@@alfiemarshall545 Yeah, Marshall's patience seems almost infinite. I get the feeling that sometimes Marshall wants to impart some wisdom on Stan (and the rest of us) but Stan is still too young to accept that Marshall outranks him in so many areas; like Stan said, he has no empathy at all and presumably eats ego for breakfast. In 30 years Stan will probably have chilled down a lot and he will be much wiser in how he deals with others. I have respect for Stan as an artist and a business man but I'm in awe of how well rounded Marshall is as a human being. I wish I could be more like Marshall.
@@richirare I think what you have described is exactly why Drafstmen are so interesting. Stan is a great counterpart to Marshall and the conversations wouldn't be half as interesting if they both alligned in the way they see things. I thnik Marshall in his wisdome doesn't mind :D And Stan doesn't mean it in a bad way. I'm sure Stan has great respect for Marshall, that's why he has invited him to co-host this podcast in the first place. Overal this friendship chemistry is golden, and the master / student kinda relation is a cherry on top. If everyone were already as chill and wise as Marshall we would have nothing to learn haha
@@MrSzarobury you said exactly what I was thinking after reading the comment @mmangotea I dont really think Marshall is annoyed with Stan, he looks like he is having fun, also Marshall is sincere enough to tell Stan to stop it if he would be getting annoyed...that's what I think.
the only thing that annoys me is that Stan interrupts Marshall sometimes when he is about to say something golden, could have been the cure for cancer or something, but Stan, as much as he is flawed, he is an interesting character. that's why were still here