Fiona’s Custody Hearing | Shameless 

Right? This is something that the Child who is doing the Parenting doesn't often think about because they're so distracted by everyone else's needs. We should ONLY have judges like that on the bench. These are the kind of men and women we should all aspire to be, intellectually and morally.

Throughout Fiona's life she had to shoulder all the shit and we see her cracking and break under the pressure and responsibility. This judge was legit one of the very few people who asked her what she wanted out of her life.

Veronica was always trying to push her out of the house clubbing and even said go with Steve/Jimmy to Costa Rica but she just refused.

@@megatronskneecap We all know its cause Fiona felt like she'd be ditching her siblings, aka, acting just like Frank and Monica. She felt too guilty about even thinking of leaving them back then.

​@@xiamariansupreme72this is the Fiona that I love, I wish My sister would be like her...

shows that go on too long at some point all the characters suck

Plus they had to come with something that sucks so she could leave I suppose.

It’s not uncommon- most siblings turn on the older sibling that took care of them. It’s best to just walk away honestly - they are never grateful or loyal.

​@@TimTheEnchanter0that's the biggest lie that I don't expect much else if you're American, I have seen otherwise, I say Americans because to the rest of the world Americans are seen as the most selfish people especially American children are seen to be brats and that's sad that the rest of the world sees that I have seen better I have seen it when I was growing up and was bedridden the older sibling taking care of her little sister and then another one that I knew of where the parents were the mother was a single mother because the father was never around and she was barely getting by in fact at one point she really could not manage and it was the other kids who got together the two oldest who got together and he came to the parents for the rest and it wasn't easy on them but they managed I was a 7 year old kid watching this from the outside looking in, when I was 12 they moved away. My parents did get letters from them, because my dad was kind of like their spiritual advisor and kind of like a social worker even though they weren't of our religion they looked at him like he was there preacher Man, I'm on my dad's degrees with a degree in social work so he was their social worker and help them get the things that they needed so that they could manage, going so far as to write to somebody he knew where they were moving to to get in contact with the social services there to help them out. The youngest kid we heard was going to college by that time I was already in my second or third of college by that time, my dad had found out that the two old siblings each had something they wanted to do and he got from the sponsors in the states what's the help of the social worker and he's contacts so that they could do the things they had wanted to do when the kids were in high school the younger ones. Their mother did fine she eventually remarried when they were ( the younger ones) where in highschool... It only works out because my dad knew that they weren't going to give up without a fight so to speak and he knew what it was like to grow up really fast because he was a survivor of World War II be his own parent as a young child. But it isn't the world we live in today at least it's not the America that I knew 35+ years ago. So maybe you're right maybe that's the way things are now and therefore why not just walk away you know what you're probably right the world is coming to crap let's just make it more crap. Me if there were going to be a comment that comes down and destroys the world I probably have a party because it would mean the end to the darkness.

@@safiremorningstar Are you ok?

Then she goes and ruins their lives mire than frank 😬

Nope, the judge was being incredible. He was showing more than just love, that is dedication of spirit to somebody. He was being a hero in that girls life by telling her there was a choice. In all honesty, she should have chosen to leave them to Frank.

@@KingHeroKinnieno. Frank was no parent to them. Look at his reaction to what the judge said at the end. He was only really concerned about himself. He never would be put the kids first. Fiona wasn’t perfect, but she was a far better choice than Frank to raise her kids in the end

@@MsTinkerbelle87 Did she

Actually, the judge should have decided to put them into foster homes. Frank is horrible yes. But Fiona does a lousy job as well... They all grow up to be criminals.

Agreed

They did tried to get her back on her feet but she was turning into frank (beyond repair)

Debbie and Lip were the worst. At least, Carl (and I guess Ian) was more forgiving.

​@Babbling_Wizard in all honesty she was the final sacrifice to give her siblings a chance at a normal life. Shouldering all the insanity that she became insane herself but that was the only way to make sure the rest of them had to shoulder less.

@@roveaalcart7479 true! She did her best to give them what she never had. They all deserved better and her too, her parents failed her and them.

I Thank God for you (apologies if that's not your God, but I swear that's the best thing I personally can give you without being able to get choc chunk brownies thru the internet ❤❤) ❤❤❤❤

You are a really good human being. Your husband too. I wish you and your hubbie, family a really good, healthy, loving life. Make sure your soul shine this much with love always. ❤️

hopefully, eveeybody thinks that and goes in with good intention. but then shit get real your mind might change like fionas

Same.

My life is so blessed by my oldest sister. She's amazing. God bless you for being that for your siblings ❤

It becomes tiresome…

Not in my case. My older brother would never have my back.

@@kibauno damn did something happen? You don’t have to explain if you don’t wanna

@@hirahiro2331 No he just doesn't care about me. We haven't been close in over 16 years. All i have now is my dad and once he's gone I know I'll be on my own.

My sister has been mom my entire life she raised me and her daughter as siblings.is it normal no, but that's the cards that got dealt.our egg and sperms do or's were pieces of shit.so my sister from the time she was 7 raised me until I joined the army, I wouldn't be where iam without her.

That irritated the shit out of me when Liam was asking and no one knew. Like it was this whole big traumatic thing and you just forgot??😂

Judge even points out that Liam is only 2 during all this and that she would be responsible for him until he turned 18.

I must have missed an episode or something, what happened to Debbie that you are referring to in your comment?

Yeah, What happened to Debbie?

Debbie was in a foster home that made the kids make fake jewelry and would starve them if they didn't do anything. Sort of like a sweat shop. Debbie had to escape, just to bring food back to all the other foster kids that were being starved

It literally is. Neglect is a form of abuse and neglect is often a component of other forms of abuse. A physically abusive parent is often going to be emotionally neglectful. Also you can neglect a child to death. It's abuse!

​@@c0mpatcations the law sees it as a lesser form of abuse though unfortunately and is usually not enforced even when they can unless a child dies first.

@@hazeldel13 The law is always behind on these kinds of things, unfortunately. The well-being of kids is a low priority unless it can be weaponized.

its kind of crazy that frank then turns around and gives in as soon as he finds out Fiona would have most of the responsibility. That alone should've made the judge reconsider letting him keep custody at all

Legally, it is not. Not saying I agree with it.

I dated a girl who same case she the big sister had to be a mom to 2 sisters and 1 brother. she was working and going to school how she did everything was a miracle to me. She broke up with me for reasons i don't know just we're over goodbye never spoke again..... did her extended family not approve of me? or she was sparing me any grief of what she was dealing with?....years later I still don't know just another of life's secrets.

They did in the earlier seasons but with time they just called him frank

Thats not mark hamill smh 🤣

The only thing Frank knows is where to find his next beer, he's a worthless "dad" that doesn't have any rights to those kids and he doesn't care about them at all

@@IceDeath777 I'm sorry if you're not familiar with the reference.

They were practically grown up when she left except Liam. Lip kicked her out.

Was she the only adult in tje room? No? Then SHE didn't, they ALL did. It's not just her fault. Should she get some of the blame, sure...but not all of it, and fuck, I'd do drugs too if that was my life.

That was her boyfriend not her fiancé and definitely not her husband.

They definitely never married and they broke up because he is a con man that couldn't just be honest with her

@@jessicaw6930 ah, sorry ive only seen clips. i thought she mentioned in a prior one that she married someone and thought this might be him. This also looks like a scene very late into the show. Thanks for the corrections.

@@Avenus112 she did get married just not to him :) although I would have loved if they could have worked it out

Not everyone is as hateful as you my dude, some people genuinely love others

It absolutely is. So she will be 35. What about her dreams? Her life? Her life? The things that she has to give up.

@@Pnutty101 Yes, because it's absolutely impossible to have or work towards dreams after you reach 35. "Sorry, you're 35, this is your life, exactly this, from now until you die. Hope you never want to change anything or accomplish anything new!" What kind of bullshit take is that? gtfoh

​@@GrinningJest3r you're also not counting if the others have kids of their own she would have to h help take care of. Also you don't magically stop helping family out when they turn 18 and not even counting the problems of trying to get a life of your own started around 40. When that much time is gone your path is already at in stone before everything declines.

​@GrinningJest3r so she's supposed to sacrifice more of her life than she already has once they turn legal adults and should be able to take care of themselves? YOU gtfoh.

@@kristinwojtowich8902 I literally never said that or anything like that.

She did not abandon them. They were all adults aside from Liam when she left and she deserved to finally have her own fucking life.

@@kristinwojtowich8902 no matter how much you like her as a character, literally the definition of what she did was abandonment. Especially with Liam, he’s her legal responsibility, and in the last season he doesn’t even know where he’s going to live if Lip sells the house. The judge laid everything out to her in black and white, but by the last few seasons, she just didn’t care anymore

This is the us version of shameless.

Pretty sure the British version is still exactly how it was before.

Then just watch the British version...😒

womp womp

The UK and US version is both brill