Fire Emblem Three Houses: Byleth's Wasted Potential 

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Meanwhile in Azure Moon Byleth: I think the best option is going to Fhirdiad, so we get more soldiers and have better chances against Edelgard, also we would be liberating the kingdom's people from the empire Dimitri: No Byleth: Ok

ok so im not the only who who would've actually tried that

@@zacrylist5748 dark side is almost always more fun.😈

I'm actually very glad they didn't have full voice acting - in the case of Fallout 4, a fully voice acted protagonist was a pretty bad for 'immersion' or the roleplay part of RPG and made the dialogue very restrictive (although FE3H does have some restrictive dialogue choices anyway).

To everyone saying it would break "immersion" how? They already have dialogue in combat, so isnt the immersion already broken? Its inconsistent and just seems like intsys got lazy towards the end, at least that's how I see it

@Wil E I still dont understand what you mean but ok

@Koria Borein dont even bother trying to argue with them, they're not gonna be convinced

Thing is though, during battle they are voice acted. I just wish they voice acted the dialogue options with the voice actor who did the lines in battle

I think when you can't change the character's customization it makes you appreciate the character more. At least that's how I look at it, but I get the name change thing. I think we should just get the natural character's name.

The point is that Byleth is inoffensive enough for the player to self-insert as. It's obvious when you look around in fanon discourse that enough of the fans write Byleth as a self-insert.

Seteth is my favorite character in the game

Hilda's was the best!!

Seteth's supports are one of the many reasons he's my favorite FE character.

And ingrid!

Likely because the dood is almost 1000-2000 years old by now. Plenty of time to meet many many people and thus learn many many things. I love the man myself. I always like the older mentor characters who act as guide and foils to other characters which makes me dislike Byleth's professor gimmick being so underutilized in the supports.

Or Byleth becomes a bloodthirsty god-king and demands human sacrifices to gain more power as he forges a ring of power to dominate the world outside of Fodlan

This was a great read. You know what actually would've been really interesting? If after the merge Byleth gained more personality or if they were no longer mute. That really would've signified a great change within Byleth. It also would've been really cool to see Byleth become an active player, "cementing" the house/path you chose at the beginning of the game. Of course the amount of time, resources, and money it would cost to do that would be bonkers.

​@@DreamerADV Byleth wasn't exactly "mute" , she just tended not to talk more than necessary. That would change though. Merging their personalities would also happen, yes. Or rather maybe, restoring them to what her personality once was, with additional elements due to her new experiences from two separate perspectives, leaving her as greater than the sum of her parts. I can imagine a scene that could cement the idea of Byleth being Sothis' reincarnation further. It's a recollection of Byleth's own past (which the story writers left rather blank), before Sothis awakened. Maybe Jeralt is talking to a client, and the client casually asks to be introduced to Jeralt's stoic young child who they see standing behind him (or maybe off in a corner or something). The camera zooms in to young Byleth to reveal a face that looks eerily similar to Sothis, but with blue eyes and a mop of dark-blue hair, rather than green eyes and hair. Sothis, recollecting the memory with you, then chimes in that "Hey, you looked just like me back then! That's interesting." Or something along those lines. That would make Byleth a more "mature" version of Sothis' childlike form, and this would be one more piece to add to the mystery. Imagine the Goddess regaling someone a tale of when she grew up as a mercenary! At the endgame, I find it hard to imagine Byleth leading the church directly (depending on what happens to Rhea), especially when you are technically the object of worship. That would be both self-serving, and narcissistic. But I could see her sitting through the service quietly in a corner, "listening" to the prayers, rather than praying herself. Let Seiros lead her own church. She's the one best suited for it. I do see her being a moderating influence on Rhea though, if you go with the SIlver Snow route, and get S-level support with her (she sticks around). Early in the game, you realize that Rhea takes it VERY personally whenever somebody insults "her mother." Byleth would calmly explain to her that blasphemy is a victimless crime, and what matters more is whether or not they are causing harm to others. Rhea might still object though, and that could be an interesting dynamic between them. Speaking of listening to prayers, how many frivolous requests do you suppose the Goddess gets in a day? How many times is she thanked for supposedly helping somebody find their car keys, etc? Just being the arbiter of souls ought to be taxing enough, especially after a long battle, as she individually helps them find peace. You'd have to really appreciate just how much vies for her attention, and how she still finds time to help those around her. If there's anything godlike about her, it's her ability to multitask while seeming no more than a little absent minded, and yet still able to answer your questions. Even before the merger, Byleth was noticed to be constantly busy, running about the monastery, doing half a dozen things at once. I could see Byleth casually addressing Lady Rhea as Seiros when they're alone (just as Rhea sometimes calls Byleth "Mother," when she gets emotional). At first, it could be accidental - just a slip, as a some of her memories of Seiros are beginning to resurface. Sothis might wonder where THAT slip came from, but would remark that it has to be more than just a slip, and that they must have been close before. One more piece to the mystery. Later it would be casual, and more deliberate, as the two rediscover their mother-daughter relationship. Something similar would probably happen between Byleth and Seteth (Cichol) and Flayn (Cethleann), though I suspect that those two are actually 2nd and 3rd generation "children" of the Goddess, rather than 1st gen, as Rhea is. I don't see Byleth being terribly interested in glory, or proclaiming her omniscience and omnipotence, once Byleth and Sothis merge and she fully recognizes what she is. She'd still be humble and compassionate, because not only are gods as flawed as their creations, but gods also have their place, and it can be challenged. After all, it's happened once before, which is why she had to be reincarnated in the first place. That's plenty enough reason for humility. Once events have stabilized, I can see Byleth remaining a teacher, with nobody but a few truly aware of whom and what she really is. Just hiding in plain sight, helping where and when it it necessary. Sometimes she'd serve as a diplomat, neutral mediator, or an advisor to kings (who were all once her students, of course). Decades later, they'd still fondly call her "Professor," but marvel at how she doesn't seem to have aged a day (Nor have Rhea, Seteth or Flayn, for that matter, if they've stuck around). I don't see her denying what who/she is, other than by way of evasion, but I can't really see her just announcing it outright either. They'd feel the Goddess's presence, and probably attribute it to Byleth supposedly being the Goddess's messenger, as some have said, but they'd be unaware that the goddess is actually standing right in front of them. Some people might figure it out on their own, likely if they can sense power levels, or during a rare display of her power, such as killing a rare and powerful monster with seemingly little effort, or regenerating a scarred landscape with fields of grass and flowers (obviously, her powers would continue developing). The other "Children of the Goddess," such as "The Immovable" in Leone's paralogue can sense and recognize her right away of course (interesting and funny dialogue in that mission if you bring Seteth and Flayn along and have them talk to The Immovable). The more powerful Agarthans were able to recognize Byleth as Sothis (the "Fell Star"), but I suspect that's because they remember her from the first time around. Other than that, a mage who happens to be sensitive to power levels (or maybe somebody with a "magic lens" type device) might look at Lady Rhea and see a hidden power level equivalent to a mythical dragon, perhaps even deducing that she IS a dragon, but looking directly at Byleth with it would be like standing next to a star. Then after they recover from blinding themselves with their "magic sight" (or from the magic lens overload in their face), Byleth would just smile playfully, asking them not to tell anybody. Then Byleth would casually walk away as they recover from their shock, having just pieced together just who they were in contact with, and that this person is MORE than just the alleged "Goddess's Messenger." Not revealing who and what she is makes sense, because it's much easier for people to approach her in confidence if everybody just thinks of her as "the Professor," instead of "the Goddess." By the end game, the students practically worship her anyways (Claude comments on that in the Golden Deer route), but it's hard to get anything done if people are either constantly fawning over you, or deathly afraid of you. This is all just my own head-canon though. I imagine they left things vague like this so that you could fill in your own story. The writers at Nintendo tend to do that.

@@BlackEpyon Byleth: Hey Seiros Rhea: What Byleth: What

@@Louis-ok3ry Seiros chan.

I did the same thing but I took it more lightly considering I had a feeling she would comeback somehow given how she was speaking at the time. What I did have a problem with was how they did it. Whole heatedly agree I was upset they had him charge into that trap when I specifically played out the round so that he wouldn't be in it. It would be one thing if we were for whatever reason dragged into the trap, like we needed to save someone or something and heroically dive in knowing what would happen, but no, we have him foolishly charge into it by himself.

Lawlietftw30 Another huge disconnect for me is the lack of abusing Divine Pulse at key moments in the story. They should have kept divine pulse as a gameplay mechanic only because it breaks the immersion pretty hard when its used once but never again

@@cosmicmist2020 I had an idea that "what if" you could press a button to use a Divine Pulse during a cutscene just to see how it changes the story, map, or enemies. The caveat being Light Green Haired Byleth only gets a certain amount of charges for cutscene Divine Pulse charges because he isn't used to the power and doesn't know how to draw more out. Or even Vice Versa, one DP charge per cutscene Pre-Light Green Hair (Sothis is OP) ONLY. That way, up until the war begins we can see all that we can change. Also, I believe the "failed" DP cutscene made Byleth just accept whatever could happen without using the power anymore (outside of gameplay).

Kris was pretty much the only real way to handle an avatar for Fire Emblem without just making said character yet another overpowered self-insert praised by loads of the cast.

Tea time with Jeralt is a missed opportunity to give lore n or at least show an strife or emotion

Nissi Greer I just want a customizable character like the Pokémon games with multiple dialogue that you can choose from to fit YOUR personality.

@@naeshaunedwards7731 Personally, I like Byleth not being customizable. I prefer to see my character rather than see through their eyes in the cutscenes. And I prefer real characters over "this is supposed to be me characters". Byleth feels more like his own character than me and I like that.

This is also kinda why Dimileth has the best basis I think because really, Dimitri is the only lord/character who even tries to help Byleth in turn, though I am still annoyed at the MC worship too lol

@Wil E i love how you're trying to imply that I cant possibly have been a fan since PoR but cute

They should've just had it so that there are only 3 factions in the war with the CoS operating from Dimitri's crib.

Just reading your comment makes the potential of a Three Houses anime more intriguing. If they let Byleth talk it'd actually have the opportunity to show their growth and change on screen.

They just made a character for easy self-insert.

None of the routes have Byleth actually question the Lord.

Wil E I don’t dislike Byleth...I think the execution was done poorly. Awakening’s Avatar, despite their relevance to the plot, was always presented as a secondary character to Chrom...which is why most don’t have a problem with them. Fate’s Avatar was too prevalent to the plot to the game which made the other characters in story inconsistent depending on the story you choose. They’re literally forced down your throat and the story suffers because of it. Three House’s Avatar is kind of a mixed bag as Byleth is both too prevalent AND secondary to the plot and they lack a real characterization because of it, so the reception is generally neutral

Wil E what do you mean by rank? I meant specifically the Avatar’s value to the story. Byleth’s biggest differentiation is that (despite the RPG elements) they’re not that customizable as the other two.

I agree. He isn't a piece of wood like Corrin personality-wise, and he isn't invasive to the plot enough to come across as unbelievable. He is literally just the secondary protagonist alongside Chrom.

Wil E in the format of Fire Emblem...I disagree. Especially with how it was done in Three Houses. Dialogue is a key element in character...but Byleth was this hollow character because of the dialogue choices presented to the player to legitimatize player choice over characterization.

Wil E I think you just misunderstand my point. I prefer Robin because of how they presented. They have personality, history, purpose, and don’t serve as this figure who’s importance is hamfisted to the point that everyone sees them as the solution to every problem. The dialogue choices is a GREAT idea, it’s just that in the direction the creators took the game they subtracted things in favor of choice...a limited range of choice that the video pointed out. Like a voice for one. If the game had more time it could’ve been something like Mass Effect, but Byleth’s character is done in a way that is the most neutral of all of the Avatar’s in the series

Divine Pulse was just an attempt to make Mila's Turnwheel actually in a plot rather than just be a way to reset when the player messes up.

Misfit Whocares I just wrote my own comment then saw yours! Origins (in my opinion) does silent protagonist best in terms of variety, but I had an equally good time with 2 and Inquisition despite less varied choices. 🤗

Well yeah but you know self-inserting.

@Wil E The Sauna is not free. I know because I haven't bought the DLC pass yet

@Wil E felix and annette*

Its good 👀

Romancing Dimitri was my favorite part of the game honestly. His character is so we'll written and the romance feels so natural. The supports progress in a way that doesn't feel fake or forced (like previous supports) and I see it as the happiest ending (for both Dimitri and the player character).

That is not a good basis for an relationship.

Self inserts are like the pokemon MCs or any lanky,black haired student. Imo they are there to promote escapism.

Robin was a better avatar At the very least, they had some personality, and didn't steal the spotlight from the important characters, because other people were doing 99% of the plot driving...

Eh Corrin atleast HAS character so he/she is still better character wise, tho both screw up how avatar characters are suppose to be used in different ways.

V-jes mute characters work fine when they take a more supportive role, so I think Byleth is fine in the non SS routes because Byleth is more of a supportive character to the House lords.

I think that is because it's actually Seteth who's the main lord of Silver Snow.

BOOFIRE191 the only thing I have to say is that don’t let one of the three lords outshine the other two

It has four routes already though

MrEvol94 this was made before they announced the contents of the last dlc wave dum dum

Byleth also shares the spotlight with which lord he has sided with so he could have been better a better character if handled more like Robin I still liked him though

The VG show I agree to an extent, since while Byleth is the driving force of the narrative, it doesn’t really revolve around them all that much, since Edelgard is ultimately the one who sets things in motion. Or at least to the same extent as with Corrin.

My problem with Robin and Corrin is that not everybody can identify with them because of the fact that they have their own personality defeating the point of them being avatars to begin with. That's what I liked about the FE7 avatar. They just serve to insert the player in the game and establish that we're the tactician during the gameplay while not interfering with the plot.

Denickart With Corrin I would agree, since despite Fates’s biggest theme being making your own choices, Corrin constantly makes their own choices despite what the player’s own morals or perspective will be due to how heavily the story revolves around them. This’s best exemplified in the chapter in Conquest where you’re ordered to kill the Rainbow Sage, since despite what decision the player makes (to kill or spare them), Corrin will still refuse and the Rainbow Sage will instead die by natural causes. But with Robin, while he has a defined personality, since he’s not the main focus of the story, and is instead only a tactician just like the player is, I’d say the players able to step into his shoes a lot more easily. If anything I’d say Mark from FE7 is the *worst* example of an FE avatar, since it feels like they were added in at the last minute due to how disconnected they are from the game, and we wouldn’t really have any indication that they even existed if the characters didn’t occasionally stop to acknowledge them. Hell, I’d say Kiran from FE Heroes is a better avatar than Mark, since despite having no dialogue, they at least feel like they’re actually in the story, with there even being one part where a villain comes close to killing them.

@@denickart Not really Robin liked tactics and Corrin's entire personality could be summed up as a good person which is not much so a lot of the personality is just what you imprint off on them. The FE7 avatar didn't have any personality at all and had little to no plot involvment in which case whe even be there if they don't matter Robin, Corrin and Byleth all give you a prescence in the story with just enough of a personality to be dynamic in the story at least in the case of Robin and Byleth who are important and feel like they are to ane extent me kind of like Shepard in Mass Effect

Meltman I don’t think it’s a case of the game being rushed so much as it’s a rather ambitious game for attempting to have not two, not three, but *four* distinctive story paths. And while it having it spend more time in the oven would’ve been beneficial in the long-run (such as making the maps more unique and giving Edelgard’s path more chapters), I personally think the end result that we got was still incredibly solid.

@@amirgarcia547 It's still my GOTY, but it could've easily been even better.

@@FieryMeltman Yup I know this feel. This is why I'm so distressed it does literally everything I've ever wanted in a video game. To see so many plot "holes" (more like things that aren't used to their full potential; excluding 2 very different endings to 2 rather similar paths) It definitely hurts my heart but I really love 3H.

I think we have different definitions of a rushed game

Them even thinking they could fit in 4 routes set up issues. The actual plot only had room for two paths at most (one for the empire's enemies and one for the empire) especially when Dimitri and Claude don't actually oppose each-other in their visions for Fodlan enough. They were trying to ape Romance of the Three Kingdoms and plenty Sengoku Japan plots but couldn't pull it off especially with the moles.

@Wil E stronk as hell, loses an eye, eventually figures out that living for those close to him is more important than revenge, I guess Dimitri is PG-13 guts

I think that he was implying that Bernie was fine with Byleth unlike the other characters (besides Aloise) because of waifu culture. You could say the same for Marriane and Edelgard with how they are obsesed with Byleth. Sylvain and Dorothea don't count since they flert with everything that moves. It's mostly how in the modern FE days everyone whose not the villain must like the avatar a disturbing amount and sometimes even married men and women havw nothing against getting super close with someone much younger than them (Alois and Gilbert). The only character that has gotten away with this is Tharja since her obsession is portrayed as unhealthy, but she has other issues. Also while it is nice to get backstory it can be done badly, like how Rutger from FE6 decides to dump his entire backstory on a guy he barely knows, despite being only able to share his story before with his former clan leader. It's nice to get to know a character, but it must be done well. I agree that the Byleth x Leonie support is bad

Vanja Galović I’m...not exactly sure Boofire was implying that *at all,* and if by some small chance he was, I would have to wholly disagree. If it were Fates, then I would agree, since everyone treats Corrin as this holy messiah that can do nothing wrong despite them making *countless* questionable decisions and the game as a whole was filled to the brim with fanservice. But not only does Three Houses have barely if any fanservice, but I’d say it’s a lot more natural for the characters to feel drawn to Byleth. I mean, not only are they this mercenary with a mysterious past who became their teacher out of nowhere, already making them quite compelling, but they’re their professor as well. Meaning that they pretty much engage with them in a daily basis for lectures, monastery activities, auxiliary battles and missions. So since this already gives Byleth a pre-established relationship with the characters, it makes the bond they developed with them to feel more natural, rather than random units being drawn to Corrin despite practically having no interactions with them prior. And with Alois and Gilbert, the largest relationship you can have with them is a strictly platonic one, so I’d say they fit the bill of what you’re describing even less. And while backstory-dumps can be bad if executed poorly, I wouldn’t say that’s the case for Bernie, since she already clearly trusted Byleth both for the reasons stated in my OG comment as well as this one. I’d say it’s done well not only due to this, but rather than just being thrown in there for the sake of doing so, it’s specifically meant to change one’s perspective on Bernadetta as a character if they could get past the repetition of her C-supports, since it grants some necessary insight on her behavior and quirks that were previously unknown.

@@amirgarcia547 I can understand that the WAIFU-ism isn't nearely as bad as it was in Fates, but it still does somewhat persist with how Edelgard unlike Claude or Dimitri is really into Byleth (I get that he/she saved her life, but still) and unlike the other 2 main lords, El can romance both genders. It's just a bit suspicious And while I understand that the teacher/student role makes the characters being comfortable with giving their backstories to Byleth it can be a little too extreme. I wouldn't say that Bernie is tpo bad in that regard, but even adults like Shamir have no problem goving their life story to Byleth (yes I do understand that Byleth reminded her of her partner, but still) Not to mention how all of them are ready to die by your side even if they've known you for less than a year and are even ready to betray their countryes, familles and friends just because they like Byleth soooo much (besides Dedue and Hubert) I think a good demonstration of Byleth's MC powers is how Gilbert even after talking to his daughter extensively, he still can't send his wife his letters abd Annete has to send them for him, showing how he still hasn't gotten over his guilt. In his Byleth support at B he's pretty much over his trauma and at A he says that he would like to invite his wife to visit him at the monastery. He also has a weirdly close relationship with Byleth in her S support, but let's say that's completely platonic. It just shows that unlike the three lords and Rhea Byleth just doesn't have comparable flaws. Heck the only person who doesn't instantly like Byleth is Seteth and the villains of the story.

Leonie is just a waifu version of Shinon from Path of Radiance but without Shinon actively trying to murder Ike.

@amirgarcia547 There is nothing that makes Byleth being worshipped any better than for Corrin. If anything Corrin has the edge since he is family to the royalty in the main kingdoms with many units being their retainers so would be in Corrin's inner circle by default. And Bernadette is just "oh my god she's just like me" and she hates/fears the entire world except for me.

Armando Murillo I want Intelligent Systems to completely get rid of the whole avatar concept in future titles already and go back to their roots of the classic games.

Josh 64 I agree. I enjoyed Robin, Byleth, and even Corrin but I think 3 MUs in a row is pushing it

That's pretty much the point of avatar characters that because they are the player inserted into the game the player themselves are usually suppose to give them the "personality" they apparently have even if the game doesn't show that at all, tho also can't help but find your "Robin from Fates" mistake funny in many ways.

still, it's not impossible to make an avatar character a bit interesting. Take joker from persona 5 for example. from the get go you realise he has his own definition and sense of justice and is willing to risk his life to save people (hence he ended up on probation) on top of this, his dialogue isn't that of a blank slate, and honestly, some of his dialogue can be pretty darn hilarious, too. And even though he appears a blank slate at first, you begin to see growth in him - and, through the metaverse, you realise he's way more of a cocky character than the game initially suggests of him. The fact that Joker is more of an advisor to his confidants in his game than byleth is to his students is truly a waste of a potentially good avatar. Nintendo definitely took notes from persona when making this game, but in regard to the main character themselves I wish they would've taken more notes - it's not like joker is the only interesting main character the persona series has given us, even the others before him were pretty interesting.

Robin from FATES?, ROBIN FROM FATES...Are you Awake?

Fernidad Aviles I mean they did help out with plot. Including helping out with the lords you picked, but ok.

There's a lot to be done to rewrite Three Houses but I'd delete Sothis as a present character.

Boy, do I got news for you then.

Quixotes yeah there’s corrin who’s not a good character and to me barely feels like a avatar and byleth who’s just a watered down persona protagonist but as a teacher instead of a student and robin fills the role of an avatar character the best without making things worse

Foxeye nope, the person in the video thinks that Byelth fulfills his role well, there’s just some things that could’ve been done more. Plus, there’s a lot of people in the fanbase who prefer Byelth over robin as the best avatar.

For once I agree with the smash community on fire emblem.

Self-insert

On the S support part there's only few characters you can S rank no matter the gender while for everyone else you need to be the opposite but everything else is spot on besides forgetting the part Byleth gets constant praise for literally doing nothing special even right after the tutorial mission where you control the 3 lords and even have your dad assisting you...

That is not to say these new characters can't have links to the unexplained bits, I just don't see that happening, at least not in a meaningful way.

Tho to be fair Robin also has the same dialog issue at times where the game makes the player choose and it literally changes nothing with the only exception being after you beat the final boss where it pretty much just asks if you want to choose the good obviously canon ending or the not good ending.

V-jes It does but throughout the rest of the game there are no choices and Robin acts like an actual character, those choices that don’t mean nothing don’t necessarily take away from the narrative since there aren’t many of them in comparison to Three Houses where they’re everywhere, it doesn’t take away from 3H’s overall narrative either but it’s harder to ignore them. And like I said Corrin and especially Robin have more personality than Byleth.

To a smaller extent with Mercedes as well

@Wil E I might agree with you on the immersion and arbitrary obfuscation of the characters past, if it weren't for the fact that Fire Emblem does exactly that. Each of the Avatars has a vague backstory, even if they don't have that much of a character. Without getting too much into spoilers... Robin's lineage and upbringing are both extremely important to the Avatar's "arc" and these details are obfuscated until the 11th hour. Corrin's lineage and past are both extremely important to the Avatar's "Arc" but they are constantly changing and their true heritage is obfuscated until you buy an extremely bad dlc. Byleth's Mercenary past is almost entirely obfuscated and we aren't shown or told anything about it beyond that in Tea Time conversations and the first mission. They are extremely selective in what they show and tell you. Furthermore Byleth's heritage and origins which are important to the Avatar's "Arc" are obfuscated or left entirely unknown depending on which route you choose. I really don't see the value in Avatars over defined characters in Fire Emblem. The obfuscation of important details of the "character" is the same or worse than that used with fleshed out lords. And I totally disagree that route splits can't be done with fleshed out characters. Both Deux Ex and the Witcher series have done very good storylines with fleshed-out characters and route-splits. And thank you, I do disagree, and you can disagree with me too if you want. I'll still respect your opinion, and I won't verbally judge it to be objectively stupid or not! It's a wonderful world!

@Wil E The problem with the BK (not the geneology one) is that he's a different character in POR and RD. In POR he's a rival to Ike that unlike Ike is ready to do anything just to have a satisfying fight and even threatens to kill a 10 year old to achieve his goals. While in RD he's this flawed and simphatetic antagonist with a strict moral code. Both characters work in their own ways, but trying to make them into a single character is problematic. Also I really dislike Robin, I know a lot of people like him/her, but I don't. Robin gets a lot of atention and a super important backstory that makes him/her the most important character in the game. Really the avatars shouldn't be soooo important to the story since they take atention away from the lords or other characters (Kris takes away Jagens character). Suprisingly enough FE7's Mark does this the best since it gives you the option to play with or without him/her. Also while I agree that Shepard is a self insert character, I can't see how Geralt is one. He was a book character first and even with dialogue choices he's still his own character, I really don't see how he would be a self insert character like Byleth or Shepard My main problem with self insert characters is that other characters like (for example Persona 5 Futaba) only complete their character arcs because of the avatar and often need to have an unnatural conclusion because of avatar worship (Gilbert after talking to his daughter is only partly able to face his wife, but after talking to Byleth gets over his issues instantly, lol). So if FE stops doing avatars I would have no problem with it.

Roy is interesting?

@@librathebeautifulwarmonk1283 He was more interesting than Corrin atleast...

more like bullshit, but yeah... fun bullshit.