When Jonathan said "looks like something from a culture where weapons are more than just weapons" about Gjallarhorn, he actually hit the nail on the head exactly. To pull a quote from the lore, "If there is beauty in destruction, why not also in its delivery?" - Feizel Crux, founder of the Crux/Lomar foundry and creator of the Gjallarhorn. The wolves on the weapon are to commemorate the Guardians who fell defending the Last City during the battle of Twilight Gap; remains of their armor reclaimed from the battlefield, said to still contain a sliver of their light, were reforged into the Gjallarhorn, and when it fires, the wolfpack of Guardians past howls in reply.
In destiny one there was a cabal after action report where they described several of their drop ships being shot down by guardians using a “totemic rocket launcher” that’s clearly Gjallarhorn. I always felt that sentence summed up destiny perfectly
“This game is really taxing my brain” …y’all he’s only seen 6 guns so far… I cannot wait to see what they show him, hopefully they get to THE COLONY soon, its one of my favorite looking weapons mechanically.
"Looks like something from a culture where weapons are more than just weapons" absolutely spot on. In the lore, Gjallarhorn was made as not just a rocket launcher, but a memorial to the Battle of Twilight Gap, an important battle against an alien race called the Fallen for control of the source of the power that Guardians hold, a massive white ball in the sky called the Traveler, and the Last City which was built under it. Gjallarhorn was made from the armor of the Guardians that fell there. It's also named after Gjallar, the horn that Heimdall blows from Asgard to signal the start of Ragnarok and call the warriors to battle one final time before the destruction of the nine worlds.
When he said that linek, I had to go to the comments section and CTRL-F search for "culture" because I knew others must've appreciated it. What an insightful and imaginative thing for this man to say.
Considering Telesto's history, he might die I think Crimson, Thorn, Arbalest, and Bastion would be cool. And Graviton Lance if they can have an astrophysicist help lol
The important thing to remember about these guns are that they’re exotic. Most of them are supposed to be 1 of a kind weapons so they look very unique and flashy and would probably be really expensive ornamental pieces in real life.
True. That's an important point. But I belive even more important is what those guns represent. The Gjallarhorn, being forged form the armour of gurdians who fell at Twilight Gap, contains some of the paracausal power of those fallen warriors. This wepon is more than a symbol. It is a monument to the determination and intrasingence of guardians and a promisse to those lost brothers and sisters in arms that we would continue what they gave their lifes for. The Ace of Spades is simply THE hand canon that belonged to Cayde-6. One of the most iconic and reknown Guardians of all times. ...and so on.
"...or it's just magic." That's it. He solved it. Honestly, I'd love to see him react to other Destiny guns, especially stuff like snipers and shotguns. Imagine having to explain Whisper of the Worm to this guy lol
The Cerberus+1 according to its lore was crafted from various broken and scavenged weapons by a guardian who had been shot down behind enemy lines,lost their weapons in the crash and was in dire need a weapon that didn't necessarily had to last forever but at least long enough for the guardian to find their way back to friendly territory.
@@erikbovee2158 Hey, when you have Space Magic, you'd be surprised what works. I'm pretty sure a large chunk of Guardian weaponry operates on Ork Principles.
My favorite was him attempting to explain Dead Man's Tale, specifically the sights! That was funny. Runner ups are how the Cerberus +1's name defeats itself and Gjallerhorn being from "a culture where weapons are more than just weapons." G-horn nailed it if he was able to glean that just from looking at the weapon itself. The lore says as much and I was quite pleased when he said that.
Imagine explaining to him the rounds somehow have tracking, proximity explosion and the mini fragments also have tracking and proximity explosion and that they can target more than one target .
@@gabrielalves303 You'd not be explaining something that's too difficult for him to understand considering how modern guided missiles can operate similar to GHorn by firing a single round with tracking that splits into smaller rounds with tracking.
Cerberus's name is explained in it's lore tab. Basically, a Guardian crashed their ship onto a barren section of the Tangled Shore while carrying a Golden Age experimental power source. All their gear was lost, ship totaled. There were weapon parts scattered around, so they slapped a bunch of Auto Rifle parts together, using the power source to power the weapon, but with only 3 barrels the power was too much, so they slapped an additional barrel on and that seemed to work.
@@PhoenixOfArcadia I know. I have the weapon and even the Four-Headed Mongrel (ironically a more fitting name) skin. Used it mostly on my Titan. Was even really excited when I first got it as a random drop years ago. But he is right regardless, the name does not make sense. I was pointing out what he said because it was funny and true. Cerberus is a three headed dog. Doesn't matter if you add one head or one hundred, it is no longer a Cerberus if it doesn't have three heads. Period. That's why I said the name works against itself and why I found it funny. So the fact that Jeza chose to call it what they did despite what I mentioned makes it humorous. To me at least.
@@Ethonra what was he even trying to guess-explain further? the Lore texts and even the very short perks' descriptions are there and he didn't even choose to get more understanding from each of those Guardian Weapons' that would have already explained their feats to him.
Which just begs the question as to why not just use slugs and skip the middleman. If they want to super heat some metal, hot slagged slugs sounds a lot less silly.
This absolutely needs a part 2. I'd love to see Johnathan's reaction to some of the more space magic-y or weird weapons in the game. The ones shown in this video are rather tame.
My guess is that was 100% by design. He’s an actual weapons expert. Not sure how much insight he’d have (or how much criticism he could offer) on live captive worm god launchers or laser bolts that vaporize anything they touch.
@@tylerweston7111 I thought so as well. but for some reason the other Exotics like [SUROS Regime], [Thunderlord], etc was not even here. and the [Gjallarhorn]s are very well still supernaturally-Infused by the origins of what was actually forged out of even a single [Gjallarhorn]'s.
From my experience with Destiny 2, the Ace of Spades "hand cannon" is using a technology that uses a power cell to power a process in which a type of energy is used to manifest solid bullets within the chamber. So, there are no actual individual cartridges being loaded into the gun, aside from the power cell itself. Think of it as perhaps quantum or nano technology creating solid particles from energy to build a bullet every single time you pull the trigger.
I would've liked to see him react to some of the legendary weapons instead. The exotics all tend to lean way more into the space magic side of the game, while most legendaries are much more ground in reality (both aesthetics and function). Also a note on ghallarhorn: the weapon is, quite literally, a work of art. It's made from the armor of guardians who died defending Earth settlements from alien invasion during a particularly gruesome battle. So the weapon is meant as a tribute to their sacrifice.
And there's a whopping three of them. The first of Destiny 2 Year 1 is of that battle, then Year 3's made from the Iron Lords' looks a good bit different in tribute to it's real lore, and our brand new one looks different by miles as we craft it ourselves from others lost in the events of Destiny 2's launch story, not counting the Ornament you can earn for it.
it's not really an artistic tribute since the armour of the guardians is imbued with their wearers' light and the main purpose for using the armour is to use the light to make it the most powerful man opperated weapon in existence.
@@4whomittolz846 It is artistic and they could have molded it however they want. Which, they did. The ornaments it has are not directly from the armor taken, but instead shaped in tribute to them all.
@@StellaBorneWatches there were more than three because all the survivors of Twilight Gap were given one - Drifter infamously pawned his off. However they were all destroyed in the Red War (as far as we know) until our character found some pieces of it and was able to rebuild a working version of it (which is kinda strange considering that Crux and Lomar were legendary gunsmiths and our Guardian or Shaw Han are not but still)
Just so you know, most guns in destiny utilise a teleportation technology known as transmat, and create ammunition on the fly from programmable matter. Most of the things you load guns with is materials to transmat bullets into the barrel, this is how most of the handcannons work, as well as scout rifles
I want him to react to 1K and vex mythoclast And someone to tell him that 1K is the heart of a god-like eldritch being turned into a firey beam of death that literally overexcites atoms to annihilate anything and vex mythoclast is a tool used by an interdimensional alien cyborg species to deconstruct matter at an atomical level.
I didn't think they'd have him look at Destiny guns but here we are. Destiny is full of wacky space magic that accounts for most of the weird stuff in game, some of the guns are sentient, some have been modified with said space magic, it's usually looks over functionality. Still fun to see him try to wrap his head around them
The only destiny gun that wasn't looks over functionality was the very first assault rifle that you pick up in destiny 1 (Khvostov 7G-02). That was like the only grounded design that you could see being mimicked in real life 🤣 the description even says it's an ancient rifle used in some war on earth back in the day
apparently the energy bit in Duality is supposed to be molten metal ammo, and depending on your firing mode, thats how its shaped before cooling *as* its going down the barrel, needing those holes to cool faster
The funny thing about Cerberus is that in game it was literally thrown together from a shipment of auto rifle parts that came out of a crashed ship, all thrown together and given power by the little glowy bit on the side, which is an alien power cell stolen from evil space robots filled with living milk..... so seems about right.
Gjallerhorn’s animal heads are a reference to the guns main perk, “Wolf Pack Rounds” which are the little blue cluster things that get ejected after the rockets impact
they are the combined [Paracausal] [Light] influenced from Permanently dead Lightbearer Guardians after that horrific 2nd major Last City Battle at the Gap.
Guns I want Mr. Ferguson to see from Destiny: - Consipirator, the infamous scout rifle whose magazine is fed directly under the thumb hole at the grip. - Any VEIST SMGs, whose magazines presumably contains ammo way smaller than the barrel by a huge margin. - Chaperone, like jesus christ. - Arbelest, being a kit-bashed rebar launcher and all. - Lord of Wolves, because I want to melt his brain just a little bit trying to figure out how the shells work. - Colony, because yeah: explosive robot bugs.
@@rougeelite1446 nono tripod was a weapon perk for rocket launchers in D1 that let you have three rockets in the tube at once. He doesn't literally mean a tripod to mount your weapon onto.
I like when he mentions that it seems that the weapons come from a culture where weapons are more than just that, when in the destiny lore they really are more than just weapons Ghorn: Forged from fallen guardians at twilight gap Super good advice: Made to have an ai so the owner was never truly alone Thorn: Dredgen Yors darkness infused hand cannon fuelled by hate
It reminds me of that scene in star gate where the humans are comparing their P90 to that alien race's decorative laser spear weapon thing. Destiny's guns are meant to be shown off in a sort of way. Think of it like how people back in the day would put fancy gold patterns and designs and such on their firearms so they stood out and almost had an ornamental look to them, or like how knights would have heraldry painted onto their armor with fancy ornaments attached onto it. The guns aren't just for function but for pride, status etc etc
With duality, the ammo is more like a battery system feeding a forge, and the person changed firing modes by leaning into the mechanism behind the stock when it’s put into the shoulder when aiming.
Always the best person to break down sci-fi and fantasy firearms. Some people go too much into the lore of the power systems and mechanisms, others get too picky about the fantastical elements. I love the way these videos ride the line: acknowledging the reality that inspired the designs, while still acknowledging that some mechanisms may be tangible within the lore of that franchise. Discussing the revolver cylinder, others might have said the reload block couldn't hold 13 rounds, Jonathan suggests that the magazine could have been the entire swingout cylinder to maximize space. Xzibit references, a discussion about the popularization of hammer fanning, some saltiness about the misnomer "guided rocket". But still showed some intrigue about the arrangement of cartidges and how that might pertain to a slug v shot selector, and skepticism about the cowboy action feeding from the magazine. Keep it up Jonathan! I'd choose you over Ian for these types of videos any day!
As much as i love this series, i feel like these where rather tame examples as opposed to stuff like vex mythoclast, The toaster (Jotunn), bad juju, Graviton lance, ect but i guess its the lore that makes the some of the exotics more intresting
Pleasantly surprised to see that legitimate salvage up on the shelf! Saw the BSG stuff first and thought to myself ‘wonder if he likes the expanse too?’ And then the model next to them just fell into place as the Roci.
I'd love to see a part 2, with even more fantastical weapons, like Devil's Ruin, Witherhoard, Izanagi's. Also fusion rifles/trace rifles would be good.
I love rewatching episodes like this where Johnathan get's thing right about the weapons by accident/through his knowledge. He said Gjallarhorn looked like it was "from a culture where guns are more than just guns" and with Gjallarhorn that's right since forging the gun yourself is a right of passage in the lore of Destiny.
Cerberus +1 was a gun crafted in a pinch, using a sort of recovered experimental bit of tech. The guy who made the gun used discarded pieces, giving the gun 3 barrels... and then put on one more for good measure. And yes, they all fire.
What I loved about this video is that it's clear from the sci-fi objects behind him that he is used to discussing sci-fi/unrealistic weaponry. He is a firearms expert, but not someone from the military which definitely makes this a better video since its clear that he's a sci-fi enthusiast and gamer as well.
I can definitely see Destiny gun reviews being a series similar to Tarkov, except with wacky guns and a small mix of realistic ones. The reason being there are so many different guns from the franchise that would either be interesting, or more grounded in reality
1:55 You would be right that there is a lore reason for that. The guns in Destiny don't load bullets but instead load a form of programmable matter known as glimmer that the gun converts into the projectile. Icebreaker is a super efficient version of this which is why it doesn't need reloading in game.
When it comes to duality, you are correct as we have other spread shotguns and slug shotguns. The point of it was to take those two types and meld them into one weapon for the purpose of making it exotic. As for gjallarhorn, it really is a weapon in that kind of culture. It's special-crafted by every guardian with pieces made from the armor of those who died at a VERY influential and important battle that saw the loss of many of them. For people that effectively can't die, a permanent death is special.
How I know Jonathan is an expert; I see a weapon design and think, "oh that's interesting" Jonathan sees a weapon design, "I need to turn my brain off don't I?"
I knew the still images of the Gjallarhorn looked familiar... Those are from a video project of mine back in 2018, before the weapon was added into Destiny 2
Something of note on duality: there actually is some sort of visible mechanism on top of the gun around the chamber that is attached to that rod on top that moves and changes depending on if you are aiming down sights or hip firing. Doesn't really work in a realistic way but hey its destiny and at least they put the effort in to make a visual change in the gun to show theres something going on mechanically when you ADS.
Yeah the best way to describe any gun in Destiny is that the weapons look freaking awesome most of the time and they do utilize Space Magic to feed a lot of the mechanisms to fire them.
I've been waiting for this. I've seeing how similar some of the guns in destiny are to real weapons, and also how out of this world some of the others are, couldn't wait for Jonathan to give his thoughts
1:34 I did some thinking and came up with something that can pass for "logical" explanation: The cylinder can contain some sort of liquid metallic compound that instantly (or nearly instantly) hardens upon leaving the cylinder forming a projectile that's fired with some sort of rail gun system
Love watching an outside perspective on guns in this game. There's a lot of futuristism and magic in the lore about the guns in game but this was entertaining
There's some wild weapons in this, and at the same time, weapons like Lincoln Green or Scathelocke is so grounded that it's almost shocking; love to see a part two!
I would love to see what Jonathan thinks about the weapons from the Valkyria Chronicles series, especially the "lance". Great video as usual, probably my favorite series aside from the vets reacting to combat situations in games.
Fun fact most of the guns in destiny use cartridges of programmable matter called glimmer. The glimmer is turned into a bullet right before it's fired. This is what explains the ammo that drops from enemies, we just use the glimmer to turn their bodies into bullets. Some weapons though use batteries, some use liquid ammo that solidifies as it's shot, and some actually just use space magic.
I'm surprised they didn't have anything from omelon in this episode. They're all energy weapons that use a liquid as ammunition. You can usually see it sloshing around in the magazine/gun while using one.
Maybe the extra barrels for the cerberus are part of an elaborate gas system that allows for the standard fire as well as some kind of high speed burst for the shotgunning?
Thinking about duality for a second it's almost like it would work with a metal storm style round (multiple electrically fired projectiles in a single casing) with a progressive trigger, hip firing uses a full trigger pull shooting one projectile from each round, while ADS would be a half pull only firing a single projectile. I may be over thinking it but it's an interesting thought.
I really enjoyed this, I would like to see him cover more of the realistic guns from destiny like the side arms or smgs seeing as he might have a better understanding of how they work realistically. Overall I still enjoyed seeing him cover destiny
Overall, most of the guns in destiny are pretty goofy and mechanically impractical. I just tell myself that it's because they choose to not design realistic guns for the sake of not being directly responsible for encouraging any sort of violent ideas around guns. It's probably ethics, or PR/marketing related I imagine. I mean, when you really take a second to look at just about any gun in the game, they fundamentally don't work. I mean, some of the shotguns come with levers AND pumps. Half the guns don't even have the barrels line up with its given feeding device. lol.
@@chickenslips its also sci-fantasy so heavily powered by rule of cool and a space magic. Warframe guns are similar, made to look cool on screen. Honestly something I enjoy given lots of shooters out there today aim to be as realistic as possible its nice when you have games where they went with rule of cool. I always loved the liquid ammo guns in Destiny 2, just looked cool to see the bullet juice sloshing about in them.
@@chickenslips That actually fits the lore. The bullets are literally made by the gun, the ammo is just glimmer, you know, programmable matter. It doesn't need to be directly connected to the tube, because it's not solid until it's ready to fire. This also means misfires are literally impossible. I'm not sure if the concept actually makes sense, but if you have incredibly fast and miniturised fabrication, and the best propellants you have access to are incredibly unstable for example, it could be logical.
the missed the detail for hand cannons on console where a light pull of the trigger will have the hammer lightly pull back along with it and the barrel twist
To be fair to the Cerberus+1, the idea of it in terms of lore is that it's basically a weapon a guardian made in a "this is what I have around I'm just gonna strap it together into a gun" kinda situation
I'd love to see what he thinks of the Glaive. Also sort of a shame someone didn't think to have him look at Pribina-D, which had actual chambers you loaded with a speedloader.
I would love to see Jonathan react to some more guns like the Sweet Business, Skyburner’s Oath, Lord of Wolves or some more of the exotic power weapons! (Especially the wardcliff coil)
The way hand cannons work in-lore is that "cylinder inside the cylinder" is a sort of battery, if you will, which holds a form of digitized matter called 'glimmer' in the game, and this glimmer can be transmaterialized into whatever you want so long as you have a master blueprint to shape the material. Your little friend, the Ghost, would fly around digitizing rocks and other miscellaneous items into glimmer for you to store away in those batteries, and these guns of the future handle the rest of the technical stuff after that. To simplify, the guns of the Destiny world take usb drives shaped like magazines and fire solid data.
10:18 I'm guessing that the "Cerberus +1" is in some way based on the LeMat revolver, but with the three outside barrels working as a very slow multibarrel gun like the Minigun and with a automatic shotgun in the middle. Or something like that 🙂
Cerberus+1 is an automatic rifle that pretends to be a shotgun by shooting from 4 barrels simultaneously. If you slap it on a side it pretends a little better and lowers fire rate and range, but increases damage.
I’d like to see Jonathan analyze some other Destiny guns from the weapon foundries like Häkke and Tex Mechanica, simply because they seem to be the most “realistic” in appearance and operation haha. Also the very first rifle you get in the game, Khvostov! I like that he thought of Chiappa revolvers right away. I think Mateba revolvers have some very similar designs to those in the game, too. Great video, much love from Texas!
The Ace is actually a energy weapon that shoots very tiny railgun rounds. The reload is because it is powered by a battery that gets very hot when it fires. The supercharged version is a very unsafe overcharge. As for the rounds, they are teleported (huh) in though a transmit device in the edges of the cylinder that holds twelve rounds in the cylinder and one in the barrel. (i know, wat)
One thing I did kind of wish as a gun nut is that the game told you what caliber each gun is chambered in, like the extraordinary rendition looks like it shoots 9mm but if you look closely the shells ejected look like 5.56
Weapons to also look at in Destiny 2 is the legendary weapons like auto rifles, pulse rifles, scout rifles, fusion and linear fusion rifles. Scouts are gonna the most peculiar for him to figure out.
You should take a look at some of their ornaments. The Laconic for the Last Word, the Western Front for the Monte Carlo, or the Four-Headed Mongrel for the Cerberus+1.
If you do a part two - and I'd love a part two, I really like Destiny weapons - please let him read the lore about the guns if they have any!! And maybe also the exotic perks, since those are unique to a particular exotic. Suggested guns: Kvostov (original and/or rebuilt version), Thorn and/or Lumina, Thunderlord, Perfect Paradox, Whisper of the Worm.
Imagine you'd show him some of the crazier designs, that aren't that "traditional". Like: Witherhoard (Shoots darkness pools) Outbreak perfected (Shoots Nanobots) Osteo Striga (Shoots conscious toxic bullets) Graviton Lance (Shoots black holes) Anarchy (Shoots Electric things) Parasite ( Shoots worms) Salvation's Grip (Just Ice) Whisper of the worm (Just a god as a weapon) Worldline zero (Rips a hole through time) And many more
Hey. I get some of this gets weird in game especially the iron sites it feels like you couldn't line the gun up for your life. Well in a game, it all really lined up. What they do after ward is try to treat it like a scope. As little eye strain around as possible
Ya know Jonathan mentioned how distracting the wolf heads around the optic would be but until he pointed those out I honestly had no idea they were there lol
As a die hard Destiny fan, I love this video! Dead Man's Tale is one of my favorite weapons. I got one with Subsistence and one with Outlaw. Such a great gun.
I loved watching destiny's guns melt jonathan's brain from how ridiculous they are, i want to see more! There are so many other great candidates like 1k, whisper, outbreak and way too many more to name
Hand cannons in Destiny are double action and do have functional hammers, with a controller you can partially press the trigger and see the cylinder begin to move and the hammer begin to lift, and it won’t fully cycle until you completely depress the trigger.
They should have shown him one of the suros hand cannons and how the barrels don't line up with the cylinder. Also, that Scout rifle from Leviathan with a magazine loads through the thumb hole.
I would love to see him judge the same guns without orniments. For example DMT as well as others have several orniments that strech the realistic part of the weapon. Throw the default orniment back on the DMT and it would make his head hurt less at the very least.
I love how he called the last word the "standard revolver" from destiny 1, even though it's an exotic (super rare, like rarest of rare) and when you get it it's wayyyy late into the game and you get normal rare revolvers way more often
I find it fascinating how much he is picking about the setting of the game from the guns alone. The space magic being the light and dark stuff and the cultural significance of weapons in the destiny universe. The reason everything is so overly elaborate is that in a post scarcity scifi golden age things that seem expensive and extravagant now are just really easy to make so everything is over the top to the extreme
