I hate to be that guy, I know Firefighters in New York are a different breed, but it's a legitimate concern they aren't on air. Most the time it was still burning, My Chief would have me swapping bottles on calls for like a month if I did that. Great video brother.
Not to be mean but if there a different breed, there a stupid breed, if there so great they don’t need air then why carry the tank But hey I’m just a common sense kinda guy
I agree....wear your mask! I have been diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer after a 38 year fire service career. I have never smoked. When I started on the job, we didn't wear our scba most of the time. You do not want to go through what I or my family are going through now. Wear the F***ING mask.
Why in the world was venting the roof NOT an early move!? Heavy smoke in gable ends, brothers on the upper floor.... it's a wonder they didn't have serious injuries! Also agree with TheSaltyLima, where is air discipline? Members walking into moderate to heavy smoke bare faced.
Fire was venting through the windows. There was no need to vent the roof. FDNY hardly ever goes up in pitched roofs anymore. They do most of their venting by breaking windows…and by breaking windows, I mean they break all the windows whether they need to or not 😂
Yepper There are a lot of macho jerks pretending to firefighters And then they die at the fire scene and the rest of the idiots call them heroes and have a parade when they should have been given the Darwin Award The bewildered herd is well represented in the fire service Wake the hell up!
As the smoke and fire escalated I read the smoke. A lot of potential for a flashover. At one point a small backdraft happened. When one Firefighter was on the roof with a pike pole and began ventilation… He was not wearing an SCBA mask. Even during overhaul I didn’t see any masks in use.
@@SpacklerTurf my department requires it! The NFPA does as well! Where there is smoke there is carbon monoxide. Simple logic… Maybe you should become a Firefighter.
@@SpacklerTurf Just because you're outside does not mean the smoke is no longer dangerous. You're still breathing in all those cancerous carcinogens that give most the guys in this career lifetime health issues.
There are a lot of 'teachable' moments in this video. Hopefully the chiefs and officers will go over them rigorously with their crews. That being said, any number of officers and chiefs would do well to re-evaluate their own actions on this incident.
I agree....wear your mask! I have been diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer after a 38 year fire service career. I have never smoked. When I started on the job, we didn't wear our scba most of the time. You do not want to go through what I or my family are going through now. Wear the F***ING mask.
So many lessons to be learned from this video. I'm baffled on why they worked this fire they way they did. I'm obviously not there so I don't know the reasons why they didn't vent, don scba's etc. Every dept has diff protocols
I was thinking the same thing! I was like what’s taking so long for the truck company to vent this roof so they might have a small chance of the house not being a complete loss.
Put that dumb aerial ladder away and put ground ladders up all over the place. Inexperience truck drivers get so focused on the aerial, and forget all about ground ladders.
So... One man climbs the ladder with roof hook and attack the roof. No water... On the ground six other men just watching that guy. No water. Not even any hose in their hands. Why not?
@@Bjohan75 You FF's eat your own. You disrespect each other on these videos...viciously and without constraint. Everyone could have done it better. Everyone is an expert. It really is quite remarkable. You don't see this in most other professions. Could you imagine Surgeons doing this? You people need to self reflect. Good luck.
those ground ladders need to be extended to the window frame itself not just the side of the building it almost fell over as the firefighter was trying to get on it!and what good is the scba if there not going to use it?! they must all want an early retirement/death from cancer
Don’t see a lot of hand lines being used! Less venting and just put the fire out guys! Also, that’s a ground ladder fire NOT a tower ladder! Lack of SCBA’s is a bad leadership problem. Read the smoke guys, you were in the middle of a flashover, thank God you got out safe.
It has occurred to me after watching at least 100 or more of these videos showing VFDs at working fires, that the new trend for VFDs is to purchase the most expensive Areial Truck /Water Tower to add to the 1 Pumper Engine the department has in usable condition. Albeit, operating instructions do not come with the purchase of Fire apparatus, inasmuch, as manufacturers rightly expect that any government entity willing to spend $1,000,000.00 or more on a single piece of fire equipment (the average cost of a Ladder Areial Truck) must know how it is supposed to be used. Unfortunately, VFDs buy their equipment for showing to the public at the shed where it is stored and in the yearly Christmas parade only. Its a personal pride and status thing, not an actual piece of Fire apparatus. This fire where 2 Towers are present, but neither are being used to assist the assigned Fire Crews to the roof where they are needed to perform ventilation techniques nor to allow Firefighters with handlines a quick way into the attic portion of the dwelling where the fire is located. A scenario which fully demonstrates that the FD Leadership has no knowledge whatsoever as to how specific fire apparatus are designed to be used.
True most aren’t used or used correctly. They are mostly there for ISO credit . Saving taxpayers money on homeowners insurance. It’s not their fault they don’t get qualified or quality training sometimes.
@@JS-zb1vv Well atleast up here in Montana and it’s surrounding States I’ve not seen something like this yet, but I’m sure there are some in the lower half.
I live in a small town and was on a paid on call department, watching this is like a train wreck, it was almost unbelievable, did they all just start and not go through fire school, Jesus, god bless them they are my brothers but holy shit! They would of been better off surrounding and drowning that fire!
Maybe it’s just me, but if I did this job I would opt not to be a father. Too much danger involved for me to potentially leave my kid(s) without a dad, especially if this is a VFD like other commenters have said.
I’ve alway wondered how the hell U.S. fire departments keep track of who is where on a fireground and more importantly who is inside or outside of a property or other building!
The accountability tags are on a D ring on the rear of the helmet. Whoever has IC has a system in place for this purpose. When I first got to go interior I gave my tag to my Captain as he had IC. Got my assignment and worked the fire.
@@erickaegi629 risk vs. reward. operating on peaked roof is never ideal, especially in cape cod houses on Long Island. Too steep a pitch. By the time you get up there, haul up a roof ladder to the peak and start operating, you can have an effective horizontal vent and get the knee walls open in the interior.
@Moe McGovern There are a handful of small volunteer stations within large departments which are very rural but they do get training and equipment which is funded by the department they are within. Paid or not you should be getting training and sadly these people are poor but more worrying seem to be oblivious to some of the basic dangers and things they are failing to do.
@@moemcgovern7345 have you seen some of those brits fight fire😅😂...not all some good, some mediocre, some very very bad. Probably the bad ones mouthing off on here .
@@Steve-tj9onYou'd be a yank vol, wouldn't you? Too busy parading around out the front in ridiculous leather helmets and your coats undone. Tell me: if the UK brigades are so bad, why don't they lose as many as what you dickheads do every year??
With fire ground behavior like that, I imagine your injury rate it pretty high. The hell with the safety officer, just let everybody walk the scene. Best get some real training before something really bad happens.
Every one getting some practical ventilation training on this scene. Totally defeating themselves and their own guys in the process, but great confidence building for smashing windows.
@@Snabbaste87 I don’t think the person who commented has any idea how to fight fires properly. All he sees is people who are doing “work” but doesn’t understand that the “work” they are doing is a complete shit show
No hose lines putting water inside, no roof vent early on and again no water, poor ladder placement, no one heeling ladders, and man on ladder with pike pole is not wearing scba mask! Very poor form.
yea, that was confusing to watch. command has some work to do. no PPE with random guys 2 feet away from the fire and smoke. guys coming in and out of windows and nobody taking command of the situation…. they did get the fire out though. they got that part right at least. teachable moment.
4:45 However, Mr. Feltkamp already knows that a breathing mask is only effective if he wears the breathing mask on his face. The breathing mask is useless when worn on a belt. Mr. Mangual bei 2:15 too. Nothing that is in the smoke is healthy in any way. There are also too many other emergency personnel standing too close to the building without breathing masks. The colleague (7:10) without a breathing mask also has a death wish. Later, a lawsuit is filed because the liver and lungs are eaten away by cancer.
As a firefighter in ireland myself..why are they not using there BA in the moments you need to we are getting big on the cancer aspect of firefighting here and health and safety..
Ist das eine Abrissfirma oder Feuerwehrmänner/Frauen? Das geht gar nicht, in Deutschland versucht man den Schaden so gering wie möglich zu halten. Bei dem Einsatz scheint es als wäre die Devise hau alles kurz und klein und dann löschen wir vielleicht das Feuer.
So what did i miss, no pressurized smoke, so no flashover or backdraft..............why did they bail out so early? Even if they were the primary search team that went in without a line, should have been able to get back downstairs and grab it, and get back to work on the fire.
"Forced quickly" I have never seen a US fire fighter move quickly 😆. Yet again, loads of fire fighters (if you can call them that), standing around doing nothing. Now you have made a nice big hole in the roof, try using some of the stuff they call WATER! It really work you know!!!!!!!!!!!!
Neither one of us was there. We are both going off of a short clip of 2 guys in a short video of a fire that lasted a couple of hours. I'm just going off the title of the video (exited quickly vs bailed out), the fact that they didn't seem to be in that much of a hurry, and the lack of a big ball of flame following them out.
wow amazing bad training those guys had, i hope they all have a good health insurance cause they will need it sooner or later.....little advise...if you have a BA use it...fresh air does really help when working in side building with smoke...i am happy to no be a member of a US fire deparment but i would love to train them as there are a looooot of things which are wrong on in those 10 min vid
Am I the only one who sees that one firefighter just throwing shit out of the windows? Where im from you knock the fire then worry about personal items
The fire was in the knee walls. People use the area behind the knee walls for storage. All that shit behind the knee walls has to go somewhere to get to the seat of the fire.
@@mikekolczynski5665 They jut say "electrical." Or other such general descriptions. Not helpful. Used to provide more detail like when EVs were newer, the charging problems or Lithium Ion batteries in toys and tools -- now they just say "electrical" or "battery charging improperly."
I thought NY has some of the stringent firefighting training in the country guess not. Might as well just surround and drown it and call it a lost. Weird… well good no body got hurt. They look professional but the out come showed different. 🥺
Obviously, they felt they had the time to go out feet first. It doesn't look like a true 'bailout' to me, rather them deciding to get out before it got that bad.
DAWN SOAP DEGTERGENT WORKS JUST FINE ALL ALL FIRES ECCEPT METALS BUT PUMP ENOUGH DAWN THROUGH A MIXING ADDAPTOR IT WILL GO OUT . WERE THE OATMEN FIRE DEPARTMENT HILLBILLYS VOLLUNTEERS.
Very uncoordinated and unprofessional attack from this video. Lack of experience shows evidently. And the number of guys not wearing their SCBAs is also evident. When they get Lung Cancer it better not be coming out of Tax Payers Money. These departments should really reconsider themselves. I also feel bad for the homeowners for having such an irresponsible Fire District. It's very sad that the Fire Services in New York have turned into that. So ignorant, SMH.
This occurs when you are not trained in building construction. These "Cape Cod" houses have kneewalls. Great place for hidden fire. Gotta open those up early.
Why have the equipment if you dont use it..... i see this all the time put your damn masks on. If you have the pack on put the mask on.. red helmets also lead by example
Sorry Valley Stream guys. Two captains not wearing their masks. Doesn't do any good to carry all that extra weight if you aren't going to use it. Should be docked a weeks pay.. I can sort of understand the one guy emptying the dresser - that way they have at least some clothes. What was the deal with shoving the heater out the roof? Can't be re-used. It's heavy and this guy is too macho to wear a mask. It doesn't mater how many years you have been doing it, you should be on air. Yes I know, some of you "old" guys (and yes now I'm one too) breathe smoke better than air. The guys I used to work with in Houston would go in, put the fire out, then come outside for "rehab", so they could smoke one. Never made sense to me. But then I had given up smoking 4 years earlier when I started high school. I saw lots of fire in my day and even had an arsonist back me up on a line once.
