Firestorm in Pariah Nexus. NOVA List and More

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Edit: I mention using a +1 to wound strat on a Repulsor in this video but this is incorrect as Crucible of Battle can only be used on infantry. Slipped my mind, please don't do this!
A lot of people aren't so hot on Firestorm in the Pariah Nexus Mission Pack, but I'm still churning and burning. See my thoughts on Firestorm and what my Salamanders are rocking as I head to NOVA
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List:
Jet Fuel Melts Steel Beams (2000 points)
Space Marines
Salamanders
Strike Force (2000 points)
Firestorm Assault Force
CHARACTERS
Captain in Gravis Armour (80 points)
• Warlord
• 1x Boltstorm gauntlet
1x Power fist
1x Relic chainsword
Captain with Jump Pack (85 points)
• 1x Hand flamer
1x Power fist
Chaplain with Jump Pack (75 points)
• 1x Crozius arcanum
1x Plasma pistol
BATTLELINE
Assault Intercessor Squad (75 points)
• 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant
• 1x Hand flamer
1x Thunder hammer
• 4x Assault Intercessor
• 4x Astartes chainsword
4x Heavy bolt pistol
OTHER DATASHEETS
Aggressor Squad (240 points)
• 1x Aggressor Sergeant
• 1x Flamestorm gauntlets
1x Twin power fists
• 5x Aggressor
• 5x Flamestorm gauntlets
5x Twin power fists
Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs (160 points)
• 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant with Jump Pack
• 1x Plasma pistol
1x Power fist
• 9x Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs
• 9x Astartes chainsword
7x Heavy bolt pistol
2x Plasma pistol
Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs (80 points)
• 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant with Jump Pack
• 1x Plasma pistol
1x Power fist
• 4x Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs
• 4x Astartes chainsword
3x Heavy bolt pistol
1x Plasma pistol
Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs (80 points)
• 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant with Jump Pack
• 1x Plasma pistol
1x Power fist
• 4x Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs
• 4x Astartes chainsword
3x Heavy bolt pistol
1x Plasma pistol
Eradicator Squad (95 points)
• 1x Eradicator Sergeant
• 1x Bolt pistol
1x Close combat weapon
1x Melta rifle
• 2x Eradicator
• 2x Bolt pistol
2x Close combat weapon
1x Melta rifle
1x Multi-melta
Eradicator Squad (95 points)
• 1x Eradicator Sergeant
• 1x Bolt pistol
1x Close combat weapon
1x Melta rifle
• 2x Eradicator
• 2x Bolt pistol
2x Close combat weapon
1x Melta rifle
1x Multi-melta
Land Raider Redeemer (285 points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
2x Flamestorm cannon
1x Hunter-killer missile
1x Multi-melta
1x Storm bolter
1x Twin assault cannon
Repulsor Executioner (220 points)
• 1x Armoured hull
1x Heavy laser destroyer
1x Heavy onslaught gatling cannon
1x Icarus rocket pod
1x Ironhail heavy stubber
1x Repulsor Executioner defensive array
1x Twin Icarus ironhail heavy stubber
1x Twin heavy bolter
Repulsor Executioner (220 points)
• 1x Armoured hull
1x Heavy laser destroyer
1x Heavy onslaught gatling cannon
1x Icarus rocket pod
1x Ironhail heavy stubber
1x Repulsor Executioner defensive array
1x Twin Icarus ironhail heavy stubber
1x Twin heavy bolter
Vanguard Veteran Squad with Jump Packs (210 points)
• 1x Vanguard Veteran Sergeant with Jump Pack
• 1x Hand flamer
1x Vanguard Veteran weapon
• 9x Vanguard Veteran with Jump Pack
• 9x Hand flamer
9x Vanguard Veteran weapon
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@zanethethiccboi1020 2 месяца назад

Thanks for dropping this on the Salamanders subreddit, wouldn’t have found it if not for that. Subscribed for sure.

@zackbradford7522 2 месяца назад

Love the vid man. You always do the salamanders proud. You also explain things out very well. Would love to see a battle report of you slaughtering someone. Also thanks for the shoutout and list. Ill give it a go in my next game! -Camping Carl

@McFatson Месяц назад

Thanks a lot for the Firestorm tips. I play Blood Angels but with all the torrent weapons on their old signature units, it feels like there's a ton of potential gameplay/flavor for my homebrew successor chapter. I especially love the fact that you mix in jump packs. This is exactly the kind of vibe I was looking for. (Shame my Infernus marines are still not great)

@tylonblas2581 Месяц назад

Followed your progress at Nova! Congrats on the 6-3! 9 rounds seems insane, haha. Can’t wait to see your next video about it!

@michaelmaddox2536 2 месяца назад

You are 100% on the ban wagon. Continue

@SalemtheAmateur 2 месяца назад

Hahaha, I'm gonna use you as an excuse when someone accuses me. "Maddox said I could!"

@Yirmir_2.0 2 месяца назад

I don’t play Salamaders or Firestorm at all, but I always like to hear reasonings behind unit choices or methods of play. I may not be able to exactly correlate this to my Dark Angels, but it really helps in understanding how I should construct my lists and what to make sure to have line up within them, so thanks!

@SalemtheAmateur 2 месяца назад

Thanks for watching! Hopefully I have a Dark Angels vid before too long 🫡

@somerton4383 Месяц назад

My first army is Salamanders, and I haven't been feeling great about how they've been performing. Ironically I always play against tyranids and lose every game, despite the flamer weapons. The long range anti-tank in Tyranids is crazy ;-; The mobility of jump pack units may honestly be what I'm missing. Tempting to try and buy the units for this list, but I don't have most of the units apart from aggressors, 3 eradicators and the redeemer, so would be very expensive. Quite conflicted 😅

@rodrigocenturionvargas5380 2 месяца назад

right now i test a combo of 10 assault intercesores with a Judiciar with war artifice enchancement, is amazing.

@SalemtheAmateur 2 месяца назад

@@rodrigocenturionvargas5380 Judi stocks are way up with 1 cp Heroic intervention. Excellent choice 👌

@redspyke8227 2 месяца назад

I tried the Jud out with a six pack of Bladeguard and was astounded by the amount of sword swings I got

@rodrigocenturionvargas5380 2 месяца назад

@@SalemtheAmateur yeah the battle first really change the way of the battle and a 5 atacks with S10 ap-2 dam 2 is really scary if you dont forget the devasting wounds and precision

@SteveForteGMR Месяц назад

I'm now wishing my 2 Repulsor models were Executioners 🤦‍♂️ I only play casually and I've been finding being aggressive with Firestorm definitely pays off. I do have a love for Vindicators and the detachment buffs really help them be a nuisance. But I'll admit, your list looks fun and I'm going to have to invest in a Redeemer. Not using Salamanders. I went for Crimson Fists. But I do like the close quarters style of Firestorm.

@tobiasnenseter8044 Месяц назад

I like the idea of what you are saying, and I currently regret switching to Galdius in this Fall's Escalation League. I played firestorm all of Leviathan and loved it, also played in a league and 2 smaller tournaments and had a lot of fun. Now I have played one game with gladius and I missed assault and bonus strength for being close. Also I have 2 Land Raider Redeemers and they are much better in firestorm than gladius, but I only have one melee blender blob in the 6 aggressors and Captain as I never got BGV for my Adarax :/ You focus a lot on Jump troops, Van vets and RepEx (agressors in LRR is auto include). I have 10 jump marines, but no van vets. And knowing GW the Van Vets will get new sculpts or be removed next edition, so I will not buy them. I have 2 LRR and 1 Impulsor for tanks/transports and 1 of each "primaris" dreadnought. My dream list would have to make me buy 6 BGV so that Adarax has something to lead and my 2. LRR has something to fill it with, as it feels wrong to put 15 Assault intercessors into a LRR. I could still leave one LRR on the sideline and put the BGV & adarax in an impulsor instead. What is your thought about BGV with adarax in LRR or Impulsor, while also running Agressors in LRR? Could add Lieutenant or BG Ancient with honor the chapter. It would be a lot of pressure, but much more expensive than your jump packs, and less mobile

@SalemtheAmateur 8 дней назад

Sorry I'm just now seeing this! I actually fought a list very similar to what you're asking about with double redeemers. It's fun for sure, and if the raiders stay alive it will win, but if one pops early you don't have a lot of wiggle room to respond to that particular flank so just be aware

@IntetDreamer 2 месяца назад

Return of the king!

@SalemtheAmateur 2 месяца назад

@@IntetDreamer I'll try not to be gone so long this time T_T ❤️

@timmogridge1546 2 месяца назад

Great vid mate!!!

@ashhammond5652 7 дней назад

What do you think about vulkan with sternguard, fist on the sargeant and heavy flamer special weapon?

@uocypher74 2 месяца назад

I love this and the whole concept. Was looking at moving to orks for the melee action, but this looks like so much more fun. Had a quick question, i am a SLOW player, so i'll play 1000 or 1500 point games. Anyway that this list can adjust to those point totals?

@SalemtheAmateur 2 месяца назад

Sure! I have a dedicated video coming out for 1k list building relatively soon but as a general summary, at 1k worry more about killing than scoring. For this list I'd say probably slim the tank down to a Repulsor to start and either have 2 3 mans of erads helping it with anti-tank or supplement in a gladiator valiant as a small budyy. Then, sprinkle in the jump elements you find so enticing and have fun practicing "trap-door spider" at smaller scale. For 1500, I'd probably remove 1 repulsor and it's accompanying erads. From there it's a little trickier to easily remove 185 points. Because a lot of people don't have the full vanguard vet unit, you could drop it to a 5 man to experiment with, drop the assualt intercessors, and play around with the idea of having 2 10 man bricks of the jump intercessors instead of just the 1, combing the two 5 man squads to make up for the fact you've cut the vanguard in half. In this instance, have the captain lead one of these 2 bricks

@uocypher74 2 месяца назад

@@SalemtheAmateur thanks so much, excellent! i'll be looking forward to that video

@SB-wg7up 2 месяца назад

How do you rate impulsors with 5 man infernus marines? I’m thinking of running two of each and just pressuring a flank . Speedy and durable to an extent and should distract fire aware from the land raider to potentially run a riot whilst other units hold objectives.

@SalemtheAmateur 2 месяца назад

@@SB-wg7up Flavor wise it's a win and bonus points for me. Competitively, I've never been sold on the points investment an impulsor requires. Against 4+ armor and worse it'll be great but you'll likely have a tougher time against marine equivalents. Do it if it's for fun, narrative, or only semi-competitive, but for more competitive id say your points in the impulsors either need to be redistributed or the occupants need to be different. I often find just normal Assault Intercessors hit well above their weight, especially with +1 to wound strat, and they're battleline for pariah nexus

@anthonyr1038 2 месяца назад

Have you considered taking Kayvaan Shrike at all with one of the 10-man units? Obviously slightly more expensive/less offensive than your other jump character choices, but adds an interesting mobility & survivability angle to a big blob (plus his own scary twin-linked precision melee).

@SalemtheAmateur 2 месяца назад

@@anthonyr1038 I think that could be a very interesting tech piece to give the army some added secondary flexibility. I usually handicap myself to no unique characters (with the exception of my world eaters because Kharn is my favorite lore character) but I'd love to hear if you try it and whether or not you found his point cost worth it! Don't think there's anything this list could *easily* cut to make room for him unfortunately 😅

@tomarazar4583 2 месяца назад

Yearh pretty solid list. I have 2 question, What do you think about repulsor +6 eradicator ? And Lieutnant adraxx + 6 bladeguard on drop pod with rapid ingress move.

@SalemtheAmateur 2 месяца назад

6 erads in a repulsor can be nice if you're okay with the fact you're consolidating all of them into one location. However, always run them as 2 squads of 3 not 1 of 6. The one opportunity shot from the stratagem isn't worth the downsides of such a massive squad. Drop pods are difficult because, given that you can't charge out of them, you're banking on the rapid ingress so an impulsor may have greater utility. Of course then you can't fit the LT

@tomarazar4583 2 месяца назад

@@SalemtheAmateur yearh of course. That s sad adraxx didn t have a jump pack option x). that ll be OP I guess. Yearh you have a point for the drop pod I didn t try it but I m not really sure about that just wanna know.

@p0nyboy362 Месяц назад

so glad i stumbled into your channel , do you have a discord you do discussions on ?

@SalemtheAmateur Месяц назад

Not yet! But if we hit 1000 subscriber's I'll likely start slowly adding some things like this to the channel and community

@rodrigocenturionvargas5380 2 месяца назад

My last play was with wolrd eathers the land raider kill angron with 3 of 4 lascanos in turn 2 but yeah is really spider trap that army but a combo with storm speeder who increase the ap+1 the agressor flamethrower is now ap-2 or redemer ap-3 flamethrower

@redspyke8227 2 месяца назад

How would you fight World Eaters? Both a normal list and an 8bound spam? Would you use this list or would you change anything?

@SalemtheAmateur 2 месяца назад

@@redspyke8227 Wouldn't change it. Against world eaters, this makes for a very fun game. At this point you are not *quite* as fast as they can be but you're rivaling it meaning you are essentially vying patiently for zones of control with your speedy infantry. World Eaters love trap door spider play. Advance and shoot helps round corners to get line of sight and expose their hidden units. The Redeemer and aggressors though shine in this matchup as do the Vanguard Vets with Hand Flamers. Just be VERY wary of Master of Executions with fights first and try to take out those units with your ranged capabilities first

@redspyke8227 2 месяца назад

@@SalemtheAmateur Thank you. I've been getting my head caved in every time I fight my friend's world eaters and its really demoralized me. Just playing in general has not been fun. I'm gonna give my T'au army for a spin but I'll keep this list in my back pocket.

@SalemtheAmateur 2 месяца назад

@@redspyke8227 No problem! And I actually just started a World Eaters army so if you want more in depth ideas just let me know. They running Angron or nah?

@redspyke8227 2 месяца назад

@@SalemtheAmateur No. It was a complete list of Eightbound. Like... all eightbound except for some Jackals and the warlord either being avocado or demon prince. We call it the Krazy 8's list.

@SalemtheAmateur 2 месяца назад

@@redspyke8227 Haha, that's pretty neat. Very fast and elite. In this id say making use of transports is key. His exalted certainly can tear up something they come into contact with, with normal eightbound perhaps struggling slightly more, but if the stuff inside is capable of making use of positioning as well as killing the enemy after they've been popped out, then you can take advantage of moments where he's overextended. A nice screen of a couple scouts will also go a long way here

@Schmuvness 2 месяца назад

Hi there, thanks for doing the video and laying down your thoughts that went into the list. As an avid firestorm player myself i know to appreciate it. I myself have made the change to gladius starting from PN. All the upsides to firestorm you recount are true but the downsides that came with PN were too much for me personally, coming from the already quite inflexible Firestorm. (The amount of shenaniganry one can do in Gladius is quite frankly absurd.) As of right now i am quite sceptical of the firestorms capabilities to perform well consistently at GT level. I will be sure to follow your performance with it though and wish you good luck. And on a sidenote: Crucible of Battle is Infantry only and only closest enemy targte within 6", so sadly no RepEx with +1 to wound like you say. Also i don't know if you meant it like that but the Gem to get back into the transport at the end of the fight phase cannot be used in the same turn the unit disembarked. Looking forward to your next upload. Cheers

@SalemtheAmateur 2 месяца назад

@@Schmuvness Thank you! And you're absolutely right about Crucible being infantry only. Completely slipped my mind

@pantheonjames2270 2 месяца назад

Out of curiosity, what was your inflexible firestorm list?

@Schmuvness 2 месяца назад

@@pantheonjames2270 The core of it are the usual suspects: Transports and everything that profits from being able to disembark and return fire; Eradicators, Aggressors, Centurions, Infernus, Hellblasters and so on in different configurations. Also tried Adrax with the Bladeguard and CoH Carry (Lieutenant/Ancient) alot but the combo is just too expensive for what it does imo. Inceptors are even better in firestrom because they can drop within 6" and immediatly use CoB and their Bolters are S6, so wound T10 and T11 on 5+ at least. But they are expensive as well. My main gripe with Firestorm is that its gems are either good but very restrictive and easy to play around or just plain bad. You basically play firestorm for its detachments rule and nothing else because the relics aren't outstanding either. They're nice to haves. Now that you cannot advance and action nor advance and grenade anymore that advantage is gone as well. It's just too predictable for me. My opponents always know what i can do and what i cannot do. Thus i think firestorm is quite inflexible.

@ryancor2002 2 месяца назад

@Schmuvness seems really contradicting, but yeah, I see what you mean, especially compared to Gladius or Iron storm

@SalemtheAmateur 2 месяца назад

@@Schmuvness Totally understand and agree that if youre looking for the ultimate flexibility, Gladius is the way to go both from a list building and gameplay perspective. It's also, in my opinion, the most forgiving for this reason. I think the other detachments allow for a player to *really* lean into the identity of those detachments in different ways. They have to really commit to it, but they make them sing once they find their playground within those limitations.

@fabianmojica6773 Месяц назад

Can you advance with a land raider and still drop your units to charge?

@pantheonjames2270 Месяц назад

You cannot! For Marines I believe the Impulsor is the only vehicle able to disembark after advancing but on that instance the models also aren't allowed to charge because it doesn't have assault ramp

@fabianmojica6773 Месяц назад

Thank you!!

@rodrigocenturionvargas5380 2 месяца назад

What do you think about play vulkan with tactical squad with 2 meltas in a rhyno?

@SalemtheAmateur 2 месяца назад

Before I answer, are you taking into account it was ruled that Vulkan doesn't get to use his "pick an objective" ability if he starts the game in a transport?

@rodrigocenturionvargas5380 2 месяца назад

@@SalemtheAmateur :0 wow i dont notice that think thanks

@SalemtheAmateur 2 месяца назад

@@rodrigocenturionvargas5380 Yeah it's a very dumb ruling that I hope changes in the future

@rodrigocenturionvargas5380 2 месяца назад

@@SalemtheAmateur well what do you think a bladeguard squad + judiciar with S10 sword in a impulsor ?

@SalemtheAmateur 2 месяца назад

@@rodrigocenturionvargas5380 I think that is a piece that depends on the rest of the tools in the list and how it complements it because it is QUITE expensive but I think the ability to advance and dump them out and essentially stage a heroic intervention opportunity protecting another forward asset is quite interesting tech

@SB-wg7up 2 месяца назад

🎉🎉🎉🎉