First Look: The New PREDATOR 224 vs the 212! Test and Comparison!

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In this video we test out the newest engine in the Harbor Freight Predator lineup, the Predator 224! These claim 6.6 hp and 10lbft of torque, and we wanted to do some real world tests to see how it compares to a stock Predator 212. We first do some spec comparisons, take a look inside, then mount each engine to the same Rascal minibike frame to do some test. We did a 260 ft drag race and a top speed run. We made 3 attempts for each and averaged them out to find the average 260ft race time and top speed. The results are pretty interesting!
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Intro 00:00 - 01:30
Spec Comparison 01:30 - 03:39
Unboxing 03:39 - 05:29
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@garagemancave666 2 года назад

Be interesting to build both motors identically with the same parts to verify just how much the bigger stroke helps in performance.

@steveprice3355 2 года назад

#redbeardsgarage is going to do that

@icelover3 2 года назад

Longer stroke definitely means more torque

@tomgoodwin6275 2 года назад

Just bought one of each and its upgrade timne and maybe get a go kart comparision

@limprooster3253 2 года назад

@@icelover3 Well, the increased displacement means more torque, so you're technically correct. But there is no correlation between stroke length and torque when displacement is the same.

@icelover3 2 года назад

@@limprooster3253 I disagree.

@mikesbarn1858 2 года назад

Thanks for showing these side by side. The 212 hemi has 1 ft/lb more torque than the non hemi.

@BuildBreakRepeat 2 года назад

Thank you for watching everyone, let us know if you’d like to see us build these engines and do more testing, or throw other engines in the mix!

@justinyates1154 2 года назад

I'd like to see it built up, valve springs, a cam, and exhaust and intake work would definitely wake it up, and I believe the the bit extra displacement will start to make more of a difference in power levels as compared to the 212 built the same way.

@jaredbudzinski8434 2 года назад

Compare it to a TILLITSON 225/228

@LNRRidez 2 года назад

Yall have the funding for it, I'd like to see you compare it to a Ducar as well.

@crownedgorrilla 2 года назад

Have you ever did a stage 2 plus vm22 carb and then have issues with self throttling??

@LNRRidez 2 года назад

@@crownedgorrilla make sure when you put the cable into the 22mm carb, that the nipple in the carb is lined up with the groove in the cable. I did it wrong once, fired up the kart, and it took off like a rocket ship with my kid in it into thw front yard, over the ditch and flipped lol

@Mikefestiva 2 года назад

Nice comparison video guys! Thanks 😊

@GrowYourOwnFun 2 года назад

Nice to see a side by side comparison 👍🏻

@JacobSherwood 2 года назад

Good Job Gang!! Hit all the notes! I'll definitely be building mine

@nashguy207 2 года назад

I have always said there is no substitution for torque. Great video and review guys! God Bless!!

@charlesgraham9954 2 года назад

man thank u for ur time. saves all of us time. and yes to a build off, head to head, mod for mod? i dont know. lol again, ty

@1BigGreaseMonkey 2 года назад

I really appreciate the great comparison! For me personally, the hemi head is worth more than the extra stroke because I use them for work and need the reliability of the hemis rockers. I may be the only guy out there who pulled a brand new Honda off in favor of a Predator, but those rockers on the hemi have never left me stranded in the middle of a job like those crap Honda style rockers have countless times over the years!

@doodlebug6833 2 года назад

lol, and sell the honda, you could pay for the first predator and have a second for a back up.

@Deucealive75 2 года назад

$25 Champion rockers. Done.

@philliphall5198 Год назад

I agree with you

@peanut71968 Год назад

Great comparison, and, awesome pickup!

@carnivorecave 2 года назад

Glad to see you out there maki9ng a video...I did not know there was a Predator 224 out there...Some competition to the Wildcat...

@MrDad-ok8qe 9 месяцев назад

This was a well put together video guys.

@87weberdrex 2 года назад

The plastic cam gear is fine, plenty of small engine companies use plastic cam gears and turn crazy high RPM with them. Look into the Stihl HT 131 engine, it's a 4 cycle that runs on 2 stroke mix and has no sump, has a plastic cam gear, turns like 12k rpm, and they are stupid reliable.

@glennlurman3514 2 года назад

yep that engine wears the cam lobe before breaking the gear itself. they do start chewing there way thru the block behind cam but a shim washer stops that. Also not a stihl design originally designed in the 40s brought back too life via shindaiwa / echo still pays copyright royaltys too them.

@janicefullerton6201 2 года назад

Thanks guys! Now we need price and comparison between the new predator motor and the go power sports 212motor and all pros and cons on both motors!

@2strokeguru 2 года назад

Awesome video thanks for helping me decide on my build the bikes I do on my RU-vid channel are not these style bike but I do have a coleman ct200u I'm building

@glsracer 2 года назад

Definitely like to see a fully built 224

@bapasrcadventures3619 2 года назад

Good job guys. Thanks

@bryduhbikeguy 2 года назад

I see allot of questions about the plastic cam gear.How many have also seen the same in the Tillitson 226?The spinning weight mass is reduced drastically.I'd like to see it thicker,but they've done their tests and this is the company choice.Time will tell.Thanks guys.I'd pay the $40 extra for the torque,and reinforced block.

@jrinstl 2 года назад

Thanks for the video... think ill stick with the 212cc for now..

@DJTuningCom 2 года назад

Great video! I've got an iron ton 208 thats been kicking around my shop. I can bring it over for y'all to test if you want to make engine reviews a regular thing

@Deucealive75 2 года назад

Is that the one you can get shipped to you for $135?

@BustedKnucklesBuildsTexas 2 года назад

Great video guys .

@teshuvahemmet3036 Год назад

Thanks for the information 👍

@jackzeilsdorff3164 2 года назад

cool video ! i just got a 212 for my dirt bug its got a torque clutch on it.. i got a draggy to get the speed reading to try out. i still got my govenor yet. Nice truck i had the same truck in that combo but long bed ,

@justinwillis7231 3 месяца назад

Recently replaced the 212 on my sons go kart with a 224 and I honestly noticed a difference ,not so much in top end but we live in the mountains and just the change in mobility when it comes to pulling hills especially from a stop was 100% with the price difference If your not going to touch it and some light body’s are gonna ride it the 212 is more than enough ,if your an adult and don’t want to immediately build a motor or build budget is a issue start with something like the 224

@chrisreibold1634 2 года назад

Nice comparison! I wonder if the 224 will replace the 212 or HF will carry both. I think they are going to release another new horizontal engine in the 13-16hp range too

@thisguysdc 2 года назад

The numbers are understandable for newer slightly more and bigger motor

@HotRodDave 2 года назад

I need a mini bike. I really like yours. Cool test. My boys have a Kart with a 212 and it runs pretty good.

@WJCTechyman Год назад

Interesting comparison and the plastic cam can be an issue. I also think your pickup truck at the end is a beauty.

@scottsanders156 2 года назад

I want that truck! Thanks for the info guys.

@simpleman2980 Год назад

First, let me say....Awesome truck!!!! Great comparison...very informative. Thanks for all of the info.!!!

@juniorbeginnerbeginner1790 2 года назад

Hellz ya bro yr back thought u where on yr mission God bless u guys I'm building 🛒

@Bronco7656 Год назад

Nice work gentlemen! excellent comparison detail. I am picking up the 224cc this weekend to replace my Ariens snow thrower motor. I am going to be looking to replace that plastic camshaft gear.. seriously?? supposedly makes the engine more quiet? would have been interesting to do a decibel level check between the two engines? But thanks again for the great video!

@meco72104 2 года назад

Dude good video. But The best part is the Chevy truck in the back ground, such a beautiful truck.

@s14koukidrifter 2 года назад

Great video. Do you know if the standard electric start kits will work with the new 224cc?

@repmikebarnes1 2 года назад

Thanks for the show. I really enjoyed it. Now thanks to your comparison tomorrow I’m going to HF and buy two 212 himi engines for $129. Love your shop, store and your service. Mike

@Jack-sn6oq 2 года назад

Epic truck in the background

@thecatsstuckinthewallagain1090 Год назад

Interesting naming choice

@madgav935 2 месяца назад

9:27 so no one’s going to acknowledge the coolest truck in the background

@igokarts4510 2 года назад

What size are the jets that come with it? Should have a few extra?

@levisylvester 2 года назад

I would like to see this vs a honda and subaru Robin! Good vid:)

@dbfabworks5320 2 года назад

Great Video! Id be curios to see the 212 cam in the 224.

@Deucealive75 2 года назад

Why? Nothing special about a 212 stock cam. Only a hemi cam will work because it's a clone cam. Non hemi cam will not work in the 224.

@Jtm7708 Год назад

Wow they’ve gone up 30 bucks in 8 months, Inflation is insane

@justinlubow2266 2 года назад

Would it be possible just to swap that metal cam gear right over from your 212?

@lickalittle 2 года назад

It's a step up from the 212. Better block stroked up a tad slightly modified and better looks. The plastic gear ⚙️ is an issue that only time will judge if it can handle other upgrades for power. I'm buying 2 asap ✌💯

@tonypta46 Год назад

Good compairison

@MrTheHillfolk 2 года назад

The extra 150rpm is no big deal, it's for a generator setup because they have to maintain at least 3600 under a full load with a generator, so the extras to account for governor droop.

@POSminiracer 2 года назад

Is the flywheel aluminum? Do you know if the rod is forged or cast? What does that sticker say on the front flywheel cover? Same as the Ducar 212? Thanks

@madixj 2 года назад

My biggest concern is will a non-hemi 212 stage 1 kit fit the 224? I found a nice stage 1 kit for the non-hemi predator but idk if it'd work for the 224🤷‍♂️

@joshvandruff1790 2 года назад

Awesome video. I wonder if the cam gears could be interchangeable. Get rid of the plastic stuff.

@justinyates1154 2 года назад

I was thinking the same but it would increase the rotational mass

@randyhertzberg7549 2 года назад

Love your background music...

@mindovermatter3988 2 года назад

I would really like to see a cam swap and some Springs with a flywheel. I feel this is going to be the comparable match up to a Tillotson 225 as far as Predator trying to be a competitor. But I look forward to seeing a 625cc mini bike. Maybe bore out to 700cc and have a 700cc street bike mini bike

@Deucealive75 2 года назад

@4RM lol. You got to be kidding.

@GeorgiaRidgerunner 2 года назад

I ran briggs and stratton pushmowers for years when i cut grass for a living they all had plastic cam gears never had a problem with them So plastic not a problem for me

@bryduhbikeguy 2 года назад

51,712 Views."Red Beard" mentioned you on his video of these,and I suggested they come here to watch the tests.Lets see ,in a week, the count.Hope it draws more to you guys.

@Joeak74 2 года назад

Love the truck!

@crystalclearwindowsllc 8 месяцев назад

The 212 has been selling at 119 here in Florida

@robertomoreno5526 2 года назад

Nice video I have a question what kind of mini bike is that I would love to buy one just like it .it looks light and fast.?

@randyhertzberg7549 2 года назад

I'm sure many vids will pop up, doing mods to the 224. Do the cams interchange ? What about valve sizes ? A peek at the combustion chamber ? Is the 224 a Hemi ?

@nick-ff8kk 2 года назад

Still need a power wheels build!

@maxxproductions7749 2 года назад

Definitely build it

@mikejohansen4263 2 года назад

Hello what is the bolting pattern on the 224?

@MrTbone1113 2 года назад

That torque would be great for my snow blower, my built 212 didn't like the wet snow...at all lol

@smallcityhomesteaders1600 Год назад

Good stuff boys....

@jaredbudzinski8434 2 года назад

I’d like to see a full tear down to see what parts are interchangeable. Since the first upgrades are flywheel connecting rod cams and bearings. Basically how different is the rod to see if we can still use the billet ones at go power sports or if the rod is longer now too.

@tandmbros5877 2 года назад

If any parts are different gps will probably have brand new parts stocked within a year

@alternatemusicaddict5226 2 года назад

Takes gx200 flywheel and takes ducar parts

@DJTuningCom 2 года назад

unless they moved the centerline of the crank in the block, the rod length will be different. my guess is the rod length is probably shorter.

@Deucealive75 2 года назад

@@DJTuningCom My guess is clone rod, specific piston.

@Deucealive75 2 года назад

I'll be going with a common stock length clone billet rod and a 70mm flattop. Then the fun begins with the block and cam clearancing.

@justinbgraf7565 2 года назад

Will the 212 cam gears swap over to new one?

@Catbert814 2 года назад

Since the 212 is on sale this week and 224 is not I'll be getting the 212. I do be liking the red on the 224 tho

@jameshathaway5117 2 года назад

I picked mine up for $10 more than a 212. For me it was more than worth it.

@troy22nd 11 месяцев назад

I got my for $159.99

@jameshathaway5117 11 месяцев назад

@@troy22nd I think I spent around $170 for mine. Realistically the reinforced block, stroker crank, rod, and piston cost about that without the rest of the motor.

@troy22nd 11 месяцев назад

@jameshathaway5117 Actually, it was 189.99, but I had a 20% off coupon, so it was $151.99 + tax

@georgecampbell2279 2 года назад

was the 224 cam gear helical? and the 212 straight gut gears?

@mando719ad 2 года назад

Test if the 212 cam gear fits/works on the 224

@GeorgiaRidgerunner 2 года назад

I see the power and torque increase for the increased horse power its seems negligible Is there any chance of side by side comparison video of the 224 and 212 i saw the the strengthened block but lets be honest the original blocks didnt suffer any issues related to a weak block Im interested in seeing if they strengthened the recoil starter possibly made the in take and exhaust less restrictive

@hobonickel840 Год назад

I have a brand new 212 hemi ..I bought few years ago on sale and never used. Can I swap in the #18 valve springs with stage 1 or do I have to change flywheel... I'm getting mixed comments on springs and hemi ...I already have stage 1 kit ..just wondering if I need change to lil heavier springs

@ozcorr909 5 месяцев назад

great video very informative and to the point ,what clutch and sprocket do you recommend?

@TreyGoose Месяц назад

My cousin has a go kart with a stock 224 and all he did was override the governor an at like 25%throttle I'm already goin like 50-55🤣I'm too scared to be scared to go faster lol the power feels unlimited

@edinaldomanuel8329 Год назад

Thanks guys..you are awesome. I believe time is v important...212 it's very simple, and we don't need to replace parts, except if you have another plan. 224 need some modifications, change de plastic gear, exactly the same happened in Canada, Princess Auto, sell a good engine, but it's come with plastic, the new plastic mentally... disposable. I stick to old school... last for ever. Cheers guys, good luck.

@stevew3978 5 месяцев назад

Does the metal cam gear for the 212cc fit onto the 224cc engine?

@bucks2beards194 2 года назад

Was one of the engines louder than the other? I’m needing to fill a role where a quieter motor is more advantageous than an ever so slightly better performing one

@collinblake9957 2 года назад

So where did you get the 224? They are not available on harbor freight websight.

@zeroskater720 Год назад

Would it be worth it on a wake winch?

@JadenCrocker 2 года назад

What was the gear ratio on the test bike?

@thesuperjank6109 2 года назад

does the 224 come with a hemi head? my understanding is the hemi 212 is slightly more powerful than a non hemi. if the 224 also has a hemi head option there may be an even bigger power difference compared to the 212 hemi

@tylertimmons5543 4 месяца назад

Plastic cam gear sold it for me. I’m buying one to put on a 1964 tiller. I’ll go with the 212

@999benhonda 2 года назад

Those extra jets included with the 224...are they larger than what comes in the carb?

@Deucealive75 2 года назад

No. They are smaller for running the engine at higher elevations.

@bizzle_gang2146 2 года назад

Did you just remove the governor arm or the whole gear inside the motor?

@hillwooky 2 года назад

At 8:02 it says DUCAR cast right into the block.

@limprooster3253 2 года назад

I just want to point out that the 8.1 ftlb rating for the old 212 can't be right. Even if it made that at 3600 where it's rated for power you'd still only have 5.5 hp. That 10 ft-lb is really just a more accurate rating than an increase. I suspect the 212 makes about 9.5 ftlb

@Deucealive75 2 года назад

Agree. The advertised torque rating (8.1) on the 212 is not correct. The 196 clone was rated at 8.1 before the Predator came out.

@BuzzLOLOL Год назад

Wondering if combustion chamber is same size and 224 has higher actual compression ratio... Also, these engines don't seem to perform like 6.5HP engines in minibikes/karts... seems lower...

@blakestonebustosrb Год назад

Will the 224 fit a mini bike mocked up with a 212?

@kashfromdak6875 2 года назад

What pound spring comes in the 212 non hemi

@l.a.m7645 Год назад

Does the stock jet on 224 screw out?

@MjrNiGhTmArE 2 года назад

I love the truck. I have a 77 k10 square body Chevy.

@stclairstclair 2 года назад

I want to see a comparison between the 224 and the ghost

@ytharrycrack2339 6 месяцев назад

What clutch did y’all put on the 224cc engine

@BuckeyeBallistics 2 года назад

Anyone else notice the plasic gear on the 224 vs the metal gear on the 212? Wouldn't that run the risk of exploding at high rpm unlike the 212's metal gear? * Edit * - I guess they covered that at the end.

@Deucealive75 2 года назад

I don't think so. There are plenty of 196's out there running the plastic cam without issues. Some guys have added springs and are running them to 7K RPM. Their stock rod is going to wear out before they ever break the cam. My 6 year old 196 with a plastic cam is still doing fine and governed to 5K RPM. These guys didn't mention that this engine is made by Ducar and is of much better quality than any Pred 212 ever made. It's pretty much a big valve, big bore, stroked clone with a heavy duty block. The extra cost is well worth it.

@TS4ITD 2 года назад

bruh they coverd that right when the took the case off

@infesting 2 года назад

Plastic cam gears are no problem you can look at still chainsaws running at 15,000 RPMs reliably for a decade and they have plastic cam gears. A little gear like a cam gear without much stress on it is fine being plastic

@WyFoster 2 года назад

EC Carbs has a pretty much drop in rod and flat top piston. (EC 8281 and Wildcat 223 70mm flat top) If you use an ARC rod, it's going to require some block and cam clearancing work. ARC 6773 for the stock piston and 6271 for a hemi flat top. The engine takes clone cams, rods, and flywheels. Which is a huge pro IMHO.

@BuildBreakRepeat 2 года назад

Sweet, Thanks for the Info!

@Deucealive75 2 года назад

Completely agree. No more BS unique crankshaft that the Pred 212's always had. My 196 flywheels will fit.

@terrynolder6976 2 года назад

you can put 196cc engines camshafts /flywheels with charging coils in 212 hemi or non hemi also works with 224

@Deucealive75 2 года назад

Wyatt Foster. So you used the EC rod and didn't need to clearance the block?

@WyFoster 2 года назад

@@Deucealive75 It requires just a tiny bit at the top of the cylinder. The ARC needs several spots.

@Bikescameras849 2 года назад

After removing the governors, did you replace the valve springs?

@levisylvester 2 года назад

Just watch the Video 😬

@coryellis8452 2 года назад

Need a stage 1 and 2 and so on comparison until fully built

@drd1924 Год назад

NOT in favor of plastic/nylon anything gears....thanks for showing us this.

@sidewayzmike 2 года назад

Any comment on the 224, regarding the charcoal canister vent system?

@Deucealive75 2 года назад

Not a whole lot to comment about. It's just there to collect fuel vapor to meet certain EPA standards. A lot of guys will just remove it. I'm not using it on my build.

@joewoodard2513 2 года назад

Noticed the Ducar logo... does it have the PVL flywheel?

@Deucealive75 2 года назад

No. Stock clone flywheel.

@wiskushfourtwenty 2 года назад

8:03 it says ducar..so basically tillotson and these are the same?

@troy22nd 11 месяцев назад

And do they both take the same size intakes, same measurements?

@GeorgiaRidgerunner 2 года назад

Fellers on that 224 box it said the torque increase was at higher r.p.m. That makes me think At 3600 r.p.m. like 212 it the same or less torque

@jaywill530 Год назад

You are brave .. running these ungoverned with the stock flywheel !!!>... eee !! ... get a couple of billet flywheels from ARC. The reinforced block on the 224 is worth the difference. GORGEOUS TRUCK IN THE BACKGROUND !!