Predator Ghost 212 Racing Engine vs. Modified Tillotson 212 High Speed Track Test!

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The new Predator Ghost 212cc racing engine has been popular lately, and it performed near identically to the Tillotson 212 with a stage 1 kit in our 8 way Honda clone shootout, so we decided to make a dedicated head to head test to compare the price, performance, driving impressions, and overall value of the Ghost 212cc vs the Tillotson 212 with a stage 1 kit at the Virginia International Raceway kart track. The results were surprising!
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@CarsandCameras 2 года назад

You can't go wrong with either engine, but the Tillotson does give you more customization options at a better price point. What did you all think of this format?

@kpaintball3 2 года назад

Sometimes towards the gap there is a beveled edge (top) or a dot (top) or writing (top) if there is nothing at all it doesn't matter .....99% of the time...

@bryduhbikeguy 2 года назад

I thought the whole video was well set-up to show the differences and capabilities of each cart,and the engines.Well done guys!

@jamesconnolly8342 2 года назад

I paid $250 for my ghost engine and $120 for the kit witch you don't have to buy. You can still get a ton more power out of the ghost and put any pipe you want on it. The excuse you made over and over on the video about why your favorite engine (tillotson) is way cheaper and if it didn't have this problem or that problem makes it a better engine is not true at all. Harbor freight has 20% off cupons all the time. I have to call bull shit . The ghost is the better value at the same price and still smokes the Tillotson. I love the videos tho.

@HUT916 2 года назад

Loved it.. I wondered through how much tire pressure would change the outcome with all the sliding on the ghost?

@mikkel1249 2 года назад

i love it when you play with engines and karts its way better than these boring mini bikes because they all look a like so we just dont watch them anymore .... sorry

@fieldinglover 2 года назад

That was fun to watch and I would like to see how big of a difference new tires makes on your Phantom Cart , Also how cool would it be for Cars and Cameras to sponsor a race day at the track and picnic for fans and families to meet you and get excited about Go Carts and maybe a minibike day ? You guys are growing the Sport and showing how to get it done and I thank you

@casiothestrong 2 года назад

Happy to announce I finally made a purchase on GoPowerSports for a stage one kit for my powerfist 212CC pitbike here in Canada. :D Thank you Cars And Cameras for being my favourite mini-bike and go-kart channel!

@JeepJim04 2 года назад

Great video as always guys! I especially liked Charles' controlled slide coming through the last turn at 12:53 where he keeps his foot planted and the wheel never comes off center on through to the straight. Nice driving!

@amet575 2 года назад

This was a very enjoyable video! One of the best. Especially the driver's eye view/ going around the track. More, please!!

@kennethdispain1807 2 года назад

Still fun to watch those old cart's running around the track guys thank you

@Beodude123 2 года назад

I love the head to head videos! Thanks for all your hard work!

@vicks5520 2 года назад

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@sheldonvandenbeukel1356 2 года назад

Love watching these videos! I've learned everything i know from u guys! im currently building a sears roper and Honda go kart!

@justpapahere8347 2 года назад

I love your channel here guys. Watching you break down and rebuild engines is epic. I'm looking into getting a couple of mini bikes for my son and me when he moves out here next month. He's moving from Chicago to Arizona where I live and we have tons of dirt trails out here. If you guys have any extra mini dirt bikes you want to get rid of to clear some room, send them my way, I'll pay for the shipping. lol

@GooseGosselin 2 года назад

Great head to head comparison! Well done.

@articat568 2 года назад

I still find that building a fresh predator 212cc is the most enjoyable experience, But for my part of the fun is the building itself. Great content guys!

@bighomieJ5X 2 года назад

I love it when u guys do test like this .

@TastierBackInThe80s 2 года назад

Really great piece of content. Test and tuning. Love it.

@jason1655 7 месяцев назад

Thanks for the engine building tips and tuning it really helped me to build my engine.

@TRAKsportsTV 2 года назад

Ah yes my kind of video! Love a proper kart track.❤️ Get the T4 kart out there and take all 8 engines with you😉. I would watch that video even if its hours long! My favorite thing in karting is engine and chassis tuning.

@justinoliver1984 2 года назад

Man... You guys, I've been a LONG TIME subscriber, viewer, and forever gear head! ...and I've finally got to say it after watching these flying laps/hot laps... PLEASE PLEASE get away from the round tri-figure steering wheels! John, if you catch that front wheel in a burm or wall your thumbs are gone buddy! Please run yoke style wheels on your "quick carts" ....you know the ones you'd change I'm sure lol. Stay safe gentlemen! Always love the content, and the trio really does work well. Awesome vid style on this one too btw

@CDOGG500 2 года назад

I'm so happy to watch your videos!! I am also happy that you can build and play with go karts for a living!! good for you

@williamramsey4431 2 года назад

Great review and good content as usual.

@jacobbrewer5803 2 года назад

You guys have just about the coolest job ever.

@gabenieto3113 4 месяца назад

I love hearing the flat 6's in the background at VIR

@JohnHill-jm7tm 2 года назад

Great review video 👍. This Old Man always enjoying your videos. Love you guys 🛵🧔💝💝

@mxwizzard 2 года назад

Got to say I love these types of videos keep it up

@zephgage3694 2 года назад

we need more testing videos like this very cool

@thefishingchannel3192 2 года назад

Loving the content 👍

@bigbee6897 2 года назад

Enjoying your content keep having fun.

@peterherrington3300 2 года назад

Wise words Charles 👏 A coat hanger & baling twine has got me home many times. Greetings from England 🇬🇧

@trumpfancardanostakepool4737 2 года назад

Great vid. Cool to see the comparison. The coil governed rev limit seems a good way to limit the engine revs. Easy to switch out vs the nuisance of removing the traditional governor from inside an engine.

@MrCAMO112 Год назад

Awesome video. Thanks guys

@fiendeng 2 года назад

Slingshot ENGAGED ! You guys rock 🤙 living the dream

@callmecardo916 2 года назад

Coolio video! Liked the on-board camera shots👍🏼👍🏼

@joegilly1523 2 года назад

Awesome content keep it up. I like these low carts .

@noahlhefner7150 Год назад

Wow that is so cool. The fact that some of my dads parts is on that chassis is crazy.

@miked596 2 года назад

Awesome content and video. Keep it up

@joey-gb5md 2 года назад

Love this episode I hate to say it but the episodes are always better with Just you two !

@glenpiro313 2 года назад

“A World War Two Fighter Jet”. Legendary comment!!! Great stuff, VIR is such an excellent facility!

@Mountainpageproductions 2 года назад

Charles was in complete controll of that cart he was so smooth with his steering tracking he literally drifter the whole corner like he was driving straight lol Johns tracking was twitchy at first untill he got the hang of it but both great drivers dude they have came so far on so many driving platforms John didn't grow up in the power sports game like most did he got his first go cart at like 18 I'd say so most of us grew up and got our experience over time John is right there with the rest of us in 7 years go John 🤘🤘

@jaask0111 Год назад

i saw the virginia and proline trailer banners in the background at the beginning, im in central virginia. i got a ghost engine a bit ago and put it on a minibike, got the engine done and im almost done with getting the parts to have it drivable soon, its a pretty nice engine, very easy to assemble

@EJ-74 2 года назад

Cool vid guy's. Love the race track content 🔥👍✌️

@kieranmorrison4348 2 года назад

loved seeing some racing karts out on a real track! keep it up!

@vicks5520 2 года назад

@ryan_team1420 Год назад

I didn’t see a dirt track in this video…

@lawnmowerdude 2 года назад

I would like to see you guys take a regular go kart chassis around the track. One that wasn’t specifically designed for track racing. Liking the track content.

@nitroneal48 2 года назад

it looks like you guys are having a lot of fun

@michaelblacktree 2 года назад

That looks like a lot of fun!

@a1racer441 2 года назад

Been waiting on seeing how these two compare and I’m surprised by the outcome the ghost I figured would be about dead nuts with the tillotson but was faster. Would really love a rematch with all the quirks worked out and fresh tires but that’s asking a lot.

@leonreed4252 2 года назад

Man that looks like a blast

@mickeyhulk6790 2 года назад

I have to say I've watched a lot of the videos and in my opinion I think Charles makes a great addition to the team. Very knowledgeable and funny! Keep up the great work going guys.

@vicks5520 2 года назад

@scottshevy8668 2 года назад

I always carry a coat hanger for the side of the trail....now. Lol. Thanks Charles. Love you guys. :)

@taurincochran3398 2 года назад

Such a good time. Damn,I need a go kart!

@Rev-maniac7500 2 года назад

That looks awesome! I bet the weight to torque Ratio is insane considering that there Dimensions are close to a Honda clone!

@fluffylake8540 2 года назад

Hey guys, I have a question beceause i never really see yall do this but do yall rejet the carbs? I mostly see the changing of carbs but never rejetting. A while back yall dit bore out the jets but i havent seen that in i guess a couple of years either :")) Thanks a lot for the vids btw, i have been here since the no sponsor, minibike days. And i gotta say, Charles is such a good adition too the team, i love the humor and the loads of uploads from you guys. Lots of love from the Netherlands guys!!

@SUKKAZMADIMINMYBAG83114 2 года назад

This was a great video I’m currently building my own mini bike from nothing and a rusty frame its a 212 engine from harbor freight and so far I got the throttle working just needs brakes and a new axle but hopefully I can get those soon and hopefully a new seat well wish me luck guys ❤️

@bryduhbikeguy 2 года назад

A piece of scrap wood from a build sight,and Walmart cloth,(I've even used a .50cent yard sale shirt),can make and cover a seat.Good luck ! Spray contact glue,and or staples.

@99milesaway41 2 года назад

@@bryduhbikeguy yup, literally how I'm planning to do the passenger seat on my goldwing bobber, except I happen to have some tooled leather vinyl scrap 👊

@TXH1138 2 года назад

That's such a cool looking track and to have it all to yourselves must be awesome.

@jdalzell3354 2 года назад

man VIR was poppin the whole day you guys were on the kart track lol

@bryangarton2313 2 года назад

great show😀😀😀

@levinhawkins7307 2 года назад

Love the videos♥️♥️♥️♥️

@3dw3dw Год назад

I'd love to see you do a video with total seal piston rings as a mod. With no ring gap (it has ring gap but its covered) the piston is sealed up and has a good bit more vacuum and compression

@Rockit181 2 года назад

didn't know VIR allowed karts other than their rentals on their track, pretty cool test

@dimesack-drunkenmaster6742 2 года назад

Brilliant 👏 👏 👏

@FarmerFpv 2 года назад

This was a fun watch, John. Tell Charles he's not aerodynamic, lol.

@morefurless 2 года назад

I absolutely love charles he was an amazing edition!!

@gokarting1018 2 года назад

The ghost I belive is made to race with the lo206 or “stock” class where the upgrade parts are against the rules

@RmDC24 2 года назад

Top 17 wooooo! Love y’all and what y’all do!!

@aguyinnc2865 2 года назад

Reminds me of my old go kart racing days.

@dartmaster7789 2 года назад

Awesome video........ Quick question do you have recommendation for a beginner welder?

@sammylisasmith2104 2 года назад

Nice one boys

@larrybrown8083 2 года назад

Y'all boys let em hang on them go karts. Makes me proud to have been born in NC

@reddog543211 2 года назад

Well dun guy's.....great comparison......🤘

@shlushe1050 2 года назад

I actually used to race these style chassis! We used 212s and 224 honda clones. We raced them on smooth clay though, but corner speed on a properly set up cart was enough to pull your cheeks off of your face

@otix3253 2 года назад

if only they had these type of track in California! so jealous

@benaudet1002 2 года назад

That leaking out of the carburetor is due to some junk in the needle float valve, it won’t let it seat all the way because something is in the way leading to the gas leaking around it. This happened to me on my mikuni after it was brand new and it took me a while to figure it out.

@kaseyjones4143 2 года назад

Hey charles how are them knees buddy hope you are good man. john you going gray on us bud you are to young for all that . great video keep it up guys .

@christophergraham3618 2 года назад

You guys are awesome yall gone saying it'll be fine all the time now lol I enjoy every episode I've built a go kart myself recently and I think I'm addicted uh my girl thinks I'm nuts 😅 but who wants to go slow on a go kart

@calmarsh7853 2 года назад

Like to see you guy throw a Briggs& Stratton Animal into the mix

@rocquechatel149 Год назад

With the gov delete on the ghost I have a tiktok video about it on my cart ,under the same username if you are interested, but in order to get it to run right you need to put a utility/stock or billet flywheel on it on. The ghost flywheel says 57° and the flywheel from the original 212 has no offset. You can use an 8° offset key for optimal performance and it’s just like an ungoverned 212!

@jamierushing8811 2 года назад

Hi y’all from west Alabama love y’all

@charliemaybe 2 года назад

I would love to see a modification video for a reliable 670cc build where there are light modifications to the engine

@thomfult7956 2 года назад

I keep wondering what these boys are going to do when they grow up!

@davidowen888 2 года назад

Y'all have fun jobs 👍

@vicks5520 2 года назад

@murrayminimotors1674 2 года назад

Great comparison n content 👏 thanks!!

@tristanmcnabb2741 2 года назад

cool stuff I remember that allsome looking gocar Frame cool stuff good to see it up and running allsome work guys from cruzermans inventions 😁🎉👌💕

@darrellkelly7614 2 года назад

Here on C&C. We do science stuff. Meanwhile Ikes doin 58mph at the drags. 58? The ducarti would murder that biscayne...lol. But we learnt alot guys thanks for doing a great one..Again John gets spokesman props...

@sean7058 2 года назад

Loving that hat

@johnhicks735 Год назад

If y'all can find some older chain driven gear box riding lawnmowers the axle ⚙️ gear will fit.,or can be drilled out to fit on to your racing go karts. Just needs to match up with the chain sizes. On your clutches sprockets is all you need to do on that part of it. And bolt it on.

@danielmaxwell3336 2 года назад

Big John, I gotta know, where did ya get that straw hat? I do lawn care on the side and I’m always looking for a good hat. Love you guys video’s, always awesome

@vicks5520 2 года назад

@danielmoore7039 Год назад

My dude said in the side of a mountain 💪

@Chris-cq5dy 2 года назад

Great video Great concert Great show 8

@vicks5520 2 года назад

@jeffreycoe3584 2 года назад

Them Karts are suspension set up for circle track ovals not right turns that's why it goes nuts to the right look at the front spindle on both fronts you will see is lower for more bite on left turns. Although it can be altered for road course yours would perform and make better times. I do have two race Karts and some knowledge thank you

@18wheeler77 2 года назад

Nice hair, John!

@gradybrowning3976 2 года назад

Yes Sir

@johnhicks735 Год назад

I'd try to find ones with Bigger gears than what's on your racing go karts though by one to two sizes if you're go kat has the clearance space for them is another key factor in the matter of getting more speed.& Be able to use A bigger rear axle shaft gears on those go karts. Good luck guy's.

@GC_420 2 года назад

Stop by the car wash before filming...gives you an extra 7.3hp when clean! :)

@shepleonard8695 Год назад

Love VIR!!!

@TylerDuysen 2 года назад

so power wise ghost 212 performed better than the stage 1 tillotson so if you put a bigger carb and degoverned coil on the ghost itd be really quick the ghost just came out so of course it more expensive give it time and itll probably be cheaper than the tillotson both are good engines

@jatdb51t 2 года назад

You don't have to buy the $150 accessories pack. You can buy the go power sports stuff and put on it. I don't think you really addressed that in the videos. $10 air filter and a $30 exhaust pipe. It already comes with a better carb and better engine parts. $300 for the ghost engine vs $240 for the tillotson engine. The price difference is even smaller if you can pick up the ghost engine in the store vs paying $30 shipping.

@Icantball67 2 года назад

Ghost engine also doesn’t come with a fuel tank. Add these to the ghost, and your still 100 more than the tilly. Take that 100 to upgrade the till slightly and and your even if not ahead. Plus the access kit for the ghost comes with a pulse pump which wasn’t mentioned if it was installed so that alone on the tilly may even it up.

@MRMechanicRC 2 года назад

I’d probably just get a regular predator 212 for $150 and do some mods (bigger carb, headjob, governor removal etc.)

@Irrelevantskill 2 года назад

dont forget to add.... you can also get a 2 year warranty... can you with the tilly? all i gotta do is pull my ghost off and go get a replacement without question.

@UpshiftGarage 2 года назад

if you guy's did not know this little fact .. oval track karts the seat is offset road karts are centered...i know this because i raced karts on dirt oval for many years

@ARP6211 2 года назад

My kind of karts bc I go to dirt racing with those type bodies and tires and engines

@EJ-74 2 года назад

The Phantom 👻 😆

@kevinchurch2713 Год назад

Are you based out of Washington mo?..i saw ur one video at Farmington raceway..also in Mo?

@shk2564 2 года назад

Hey guys I live 3 miles from Martinsville Speedway I Ridgeway, Virginia! You should tell us where you are going so we could come and watch and say hello! 🤩